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Will Jewish Zionists Airbrush the Iraq Inquiry?

The Iraq Inquiry

It has been recently uncovered that two members of the Iraq inquiry - Sir Martin Gilbert and Sir Lawrence Freedman - are Jewish Zionists who supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Will these Jewish Zionists twist the Iraq Inquiry's findings to show things the way they want them to be seen?

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How the Zionists change the

How the Zionists change the narrative once they draw the world into war. Israel and Jewish Zionists were the most ardent advocates for war.

In 2002 Sharon gave an interview saying America should invade, he then went on to say 'Iran should be hit the day after Iraq was taken'.

Uzi Benzimen one of Harestz most informed commentators said 'after Iraq, Israel will convince bush to go after Iran'.

The Zionists pushed for war, as soon as Americans started dying, they changed the narrative to claim they were against it.

We suppose the Muslims are supposed to believe that Israel is not behind the push for war against Iran, and that they are totally against that as well....

Lying seems to be an art for Zionists the world over.

 

Very true!

Very true!

 

A liar shouldn't write about lies!

[In 2002 Sharon gave an interview saying America should invade, he then went on to say 'Iran should be hit the day after Iraq was taken'.]

A LIE!!

Here is a reference to that statement http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1105-02.htm

At no point in that interview did Sharon urge the USA to invade Iraq (consistent with the statement that Israel did not favour an attack on Iraq). The sentence is clearly an indication that Israel was more concerned with Iran. This sentence merely conveys "OK, if you insist on invading Iraq then would you consider Iran soon after?"

A simple grasp on English Grammar would help you considerably.

 

Read the article again in

Read the article again in the times and you will see Sharon was clearly in favour, claiming his 'intentions' were against it is pathetic.

The Neo-cons who pushed for war against Iraq were in lock step with Israel's war cabinet.

Washington post (owned by a zionist) reported on the eve of the war that Bush and Sharon were 'nearly identical on mid east policy'

The Daily Telegraph then reported that sharon went onto say that 'Israel would help stricke Iraq if Saddam attacks'

CBS then reported Israeli government officials saying 'don't delay iraq attack'

We can do this all day, their is plenty of evidence out there that Israel with the neo cons (all Zionists) pushed american into war with iraq..

 

Oh Dear! Liar defends lies by sporeading lies.

[Read the article again in the times and you will see Sharon was clearly in favour, claiming his 'intentions' were against it is pathetic.]

Simply post the words where Sharon says he is in favour of teh Iraq War. We will help you with your English Language Homework and explain it to you.

[The Neo-cons who pushed for war against Iraq were in lock step with Israel's war cabinet. ]

It was Allah who conveyed to Mohammed, who conveyed it to Bush via God that Iraq was naughty and had to be punished. (I offer as much evidence as you do)

[Washington post (owned by a zionist) reported on the eve of the war that Bush and Sharon were 'nearly identical on mid east policy']

Really! State what that policy is by referencing some facts! (I don't have time to explain 'facts' to you)

[The Daily Telegraph then reported that sharon went onto say that 'Israel would help stricke Iraq if Saddam attacks' ]

IDIOT! Truly a numpty! In Iraq War One, Iraq attacked Israel. Sharon said "If Saddam does it THIS time then Israel will respond". Absolutely correct & legal. If you attack me then I wil attack you!

Have I helped educate you?

 

Covering their own tracks

The fact the people who played an instrumental part of pushing for war for Israel's benefit are Jewish Zionists, one wonders how on earth they are going to blame themselves, or ever report the influence they used to drag us into this hell hole?

It would be akin to a Nazi judge and jury judging themselves at Nuremberg.

They are of course covering their own tracks, ensuring the public never hear the true story of who pushed Britain into this war. Always doing things in secret and then claiming they had no part to play in it.

 

another day another zionist

another day another zionist conspiracy

 

Yes you are right, these

Yes you are right, these Zionists are always Conspiring.

 

The half a million Iraqis

The half a million Iraqis that died deserved to die. They should have gotten rid of Saddam first.

Saddam was just the start, anyone who attacks Israel will be wiped off the earth.

 

A zionist pig finally shows

A zionist pig finally shows Zionisms true colours.

 

Zionist can "wipe" nations

These people are the only people allowed to freely abuse power for their racial supremacists ideals.

 

Repost- Outing The Jews

Most clearly the thread is antisemtic (but MPAC UK don't like you pointing it out).

Israel was AGAINST the Iraq War and Sharon told Bush it wasn't wise. That the USA would get bogged-down in Iraq.

In order to qualify why the thread is racist then consider this: Over 250 Muslims have been convicted of terrorism related offences in the UK. A constant theme of explanation by the Muslim Community is "Its the War in Iraq". On the same basis as MPAC UK "outing" Jews serving on the enquiry then would it be acceptable to suggest that Muslim be barred from serving on the enquiry?

Surely, its the same analogy as the basis for the thread.

Why doesn't MPAC UK like the obviousl and logical mirror?

 

Muslims are barred already

Which Muslims are serving in the enquiry, unless you want to tell me that smelly Pasha that was just thrown just because she is a woman is "moozlem".

While the two Jews are prominent Jew supremacists in your circles, Pasha is instead frowned upon by her community. Why would a Muslim shara a table with racist old Jewish men?

 

The libel is wonderful

[While the two Jews are prominent Jew supremacists in your circles, Pasha is instead frowned upon by her community. Why would a Muslim shara a table with racist old Jewish men?]

MPAC UK will you PLEASE leave these comments up long enough for some libel lawyers to issue proceedings on Monday?

Libel 1: "two Jews are prominent Jew supremacists"

Libel 2: "racist old Jewish men"

Its brilliant how you invite these comments and (hopefully) leave them there for everone to see. There are definitely some real muppets who post here!

 

Well since you probably

Well since you probably posted them - it seems obvious why you are now making so much noise about it...

Planting comments - then complaining about them is an old zionist trick....

 

Can't teach a Zionist to suck eggs, eh?

What is an "old Zionist trick". How far back in history does this "trick" go back?

 

Stick to the subject you

Stick to the subject you zionist freak, either you have an argument or you do not.

 

Lord Goldsmith (must be a Muslim I guess)

"The Mail on Sunday can disclose that Attorney General Lord Goldsmith wrote the letter to Mr Blair in July 2002 - a full eight months before the war - telling him that deposing Saddam Hussein was a blatant breach of international law."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231746/Secret-letter-reveal-new...

Does not compute! Does not Compute! Does not .......................

(a comment on the racialisation of the enuiry panel. You started it!)

 

good "Goldsmith"

He was employed to legitimise the illegal war. He did not resign, but stayed with them until his term finished. That is called collaboration and the reason was because it was good for "Israel" so he could relay his progress to Tel Aviv.

 

Wow This Zionists are really f***ed up!

They still try and defend this decision to have these 2 boys on the inquiry, oh yes but of course there is only 1 reason they are there .. to protect israel's interests of course... no no we must keep them there for the interest of israel..forget all the millions ...YES THATS RIGHT MILLIONS... of ppl that have died due to Zio politics... no problem... israel all the way by watever means right?? it must be because the Zio Jews (not Real Jews) dnt actually believe in G-D He is just a metaphor isnt he? So No one is really going 2 help anyone other than ourselves?? In that sense Zio Jews are doing the best arent they???

 

The 2 boys

No, they are there because they are highly educated in western democratic values, a value system which is the total opposite to Islamic teachings.

Whilst muslims still embrace the Quran and Sharia law, they will never find a place in western Inquiries like this because they are not capable of forming neutral expert opinion.

In fact we can see now that they are very rarely capable of neutral philosophy or judgement given their religion.

 

Jews etc. Like Books etc, but with higher profit-margins.

Yes, Jews will airbrush the Iraq Inquiry because they all look like wobbled rats.

 

Any credibility this utter

Any credibility this utter disgrace of a website had left has vanished with this thread.

It seems even blatant anti-semitism is permissable in this climate of hatred.

Did I miss something? Since 2001, there have been over 14,000 fatal terror attacks carried out by Muslims all over the world both against other Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Yet MPAC of course, rather than attempt to push for less extremism and peace with other religions constantly attacks Jews and Israel.

For shame.

 

Are you still trying to cover

Are you still trying to cover your blatant muslim hatred and work for israel by throwing around the word anti-semitism.

do you honestly think that muslims or those who support do tine are listening. Political point scoring will not work here.

The zionists need to oay paid trolls like you more so you can find more avenues to smear and lie, this old line is not workking.

 

Yeah, and they eat Muslim

Yeah, and they eat Muslim babies and have massive noses.

 

The word "Antisemitism" has been correctly used

No-one is "throwing around accusations of antisemitism". When Jews are singled-out in this way and it is implied that their being Jewish makes them untrustworthy it is so clearly antisemitism. The word is correctly applied to the article and many of the comments here.

 

Shut up cow, i got this under

Shut up cow, i got this under control!

Your ruining it with your half witted arguments.

 

Stop pretending to be me and

Stop pretending to be me and FUCK OFF.

 

BB comimg from a supporter of

BB comimg from a supporter of zionsit occupation and persection of palestinains that is rich.
you continuall deny the palestinians a right to live in palestine, you continually support the occupation of palestine, yet when others point what zionsit jews do it anti-semitism, when zionsit jews are the biggest anti-semites as they have been oppressing and killing semitic palestinains for the last 60 years.
As for acts of terroism sicne 2001, jewish-christian-hindu and buddhist terrorists have carrried out hundreds of thousanad of fatal attacks if not millions, yet all we get is racist zionist jews blaming muslims for resisting occupation and fighting for freedom.
It seems they think if they can keep lying and shouting their heads of about muslims are terrorists, then everyone wiil beleive their lies, unfortunatly for such people the world is wising up quick, to their lies and deceit.
End the occupations of palestine-kashmir-iraq-afghan-chechnya-mindano-yala pattnai and then lecture muslims about terrorism until then the occupiers are Terrorists not the ones fighting for freedom and liberty.
Btw BB if you got the 14000 from where i think you did then bare naked lies would fit in nicely to what you stand for.

 

Occupied countries

Shan - if all those countries you mention had not been invaded and occupied by Islam they would still be their original religions of Bhuddist/Hindu/Christian and Jewish.

It is very perturbing to see someone with so little knowledge of how these countries were "persuaded" to become muslim. I suggest, once again Shan, that you study Islamic history before you spout such extremely ill informed rhetoric.

It is sad to see someone so obviously uneducated trying to make points about things that never happened or happened in a completely different context. Or are you just listening to your little tostestorene fuelled victim friends who dropped out of school and blame every one but themselves for the situation Islam is now in.

For heavens sake educate yourself, you can obviously read and write but intellectually your brain seems to be a wasteland open to spurious rubbish talked about by those who are equally as ill educated as you. Or does it make you all seem like big macho men?

 

Answer to the question.

'Will these Jewish Zionists twist the Iraq Inquiry's findings to show things the way they want them to be seen?'

No.

 

You mean - YES

You mean - YES

 

No means no.

Halfwit.

 

You really are a bunch of

You really are a bunch of jew-hating odious little impotents.

The Nazis didn't manage it and neither will you.

Horrible people.

 

That is rich coming from a

That is rich coming from a muslim hating fanatic like yourself.

Stop the hate, and go back to your zionist hate websites instead of coming here.

 

wow, and you think people are

wow, and you think people are paid by the 'Zionists' to comment here?

You really are fucked.

I'm posting here for the first time as I've just noticed your anti-semitic crap. I'm English and have no religion but I hate fascist scum like you. This country fought long and hard in 39-45 to rid the world of anti-semites. It's a shame you're getting noisy again.

 

No you are posting here

No you are posting here because you are PAID to post here by your pro Israel HASBARA team.

 

When do Zionists become "British" or "English"?

Interesting how these racists are now ashamed to be Jewish and claiming other peoples identities. You are correct in "English" people having paid much blood against Nazis, lets hope you do not contemplate and pussy foot around the "H" issue alone to belittle everybody else.

 

I don't quite follow your

I don't quite follow your language I'm afraid. Your point is lost on me.

But I really hope you don't think I'm 'pretending' to be English? Please tell me you don't.

You will not succeed in wiping out the jews. We will stop you. And I speak for every right-thinking person on this planet, whichever country they are from.

 

ditto

Well said, sir.

 

And you will not succeed in

And you will not succeed in wiping out Muslims, and we will rise up and stop you when you try.

 

remind me who commited the

remind me who commited the holocaust??

 

Morons

You have to wonder at the hysteria of morons who think its anti-semitic to call a Jewish person Jewish.
Do they consider it an insult?
Which would mean they are the anti-semites, since they consider the word an insult.
I mean mentioning anyone elses ethnic background would never be considered racist any other case.
Is it because Israel is using anti-semitism to silence everyone??

 

You have to wonder at the stupidity of some posters

[You have to wonder at the hysteria of morons who think its anti-semitic to call a Jewish person Jewish.]

Just in case your own stupidity is stopping you from 'getting it", the point is that:-

a) No other members of the enquiry have been mentioned by their religion

b) That only two members are questioned about their integrity and its BECAUSE they are Jewish.

That is classical Antisemitism.

 

What a pathetic point, in

What a pathetic point, in every thread you have posted you have claimed anti-Semitism. You are like a well paid machine that keeps spurting out the same old slur to silence instead of argue your case.

They are Jews, and many jews pushed for war - their religion matters!

 

What a spectacular

What a spectacular misinterpretation of what renders someone Jewish. Judaism (the religion) is only one component of someone's Jewish identity (which is primarily ethno-cultural).

Thus, what your suggesting is that their ethnocultural, even racial, identity is what charges them with pro-Israel or 'Zionist' sentiments. By that logic, commenting on this is not only indicative of 'classical antisemitism', but actual bona fide racism as well.

 

What an even more pityful

What an even more pityful response. Jews who supported Israel pushed for war against Iraq, they were the main players behind the neo cons and are the main players pushing for war against iran.

ethnocultural bull crap is a red herring argument, and shows how desperate you are to claim anti-semitism (to cover for israel).

 

No problem with that Teddy

No problem with that Teddy ,provided of course MPAC highlight the religious persuasion of the remaining individuals on the enquiry.

 

remind me again

I cant see why calling a Jewish person Jewish is an insult?
Or antisemitic, like here in this article a politician is called Muslim:

"Tory Muslim peer pelted with eggs"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_8387000/8387110.stm

Does that mean they are being Islamophobic?

I mean no one every usually mentions the religion of other Peers, are they Catholic or Anglican or methodist etc.

But Muslims are not jumping up and shouting racism.

I think there is a limit to the whole 'shut up you are anti-semitic' line and it has been crossed too often, people are tired of it,

 

One of the major problems is

One of the major problems is debating the Iraq issues is the paucity of debate in the media and the failure to explore the regional drivers. Various opundits can argue endlessly whether Sharon said / meant this or that.
However we do know that the constrainst that the USA & UK placed upon themselves upon invading Iraq, created a scenario where Iran and to a lesser extent Syria accurately identified that they could flood the country with arms and money to destabilise Iraq. The Iran / Syria alliance is fearful of any rise in democracy in the region and seeks to undermine it. Iran particularly seeks to promote itself and seek popularity by appealling to the profound sense of humiliation & loss of status across the Muslim world.
The USA & UK were wrong in believing that simply by removing the Baath regime that in its place a form of democracy would spring up without robust defence of Iraq's sovereign integrity. This would have meant being willing to make Iran & Syria pay for their actions to destabilise Iraq, which they they were not prepared to do. USA & UK demonstrated that they lacked a popular mandate.
regardless about how one feels about Sharon, his statements have to be understood in relation to the realities in the region and a highly nuanced understanding of regional dynamics. Had the USA & UK been explcitily willing to strike at Iran & Syria's infrastructure to deter destabilisation there would not have been the arming of the Shiite and Baathist militias that resulted in hundreds of thousands of Muslims being killed and maimed.
It may have been better to leave Saddam Hussein in place. But as sanctions against Iraq further weakened it, both Iran & Syria would exploited the situation to undermine their enemy, Iraq. Let us not forget that Iran has consistently sought to assert its pre-Islamic regional dominance. Behind the rhetoric stands the fantasies of a re-assertion of the ancient Persian Empire that dominated from the Mediterannean Eastwards steadily cultivated through the national legends and evocation of past glories. But in that Iran does not differ much from other regional states - i.e. Saddams fantasies of Babylon.

 

As for what the outcome of

As for what the outcome of this inquiry will be, i can guess mistakes were made and we should learn from them but no single person is to blame.
If it comes out with blame and action should be taken it will be a great surprise.
I would rather see a zionist jew sitting on the enquiry then a so called muslim representative like khalid mahmood-sarwar or malik.
At least in my opinion the zionsit jews will have to be extra impartial in their mind or extra critical as they will wish to avoid any bias.

 

You are wrong. The proof will

You are wrong. The proof will be they will NEVER expose the Jewish or Christian Zionists behind the war...

 

A far more relevant question

A far more relevant question is why has the Muslim community numbering some 1.5 million failed to produce individuals of similar academic , judicial and political calibre worthy of heading such an enquiry.
It strikes me that a reluctance to fully intergrate and to adopt the political and social systems all be it retaining religious and cultural heritage is a determining factor.
Unfortunately this also has a serious impact on education .Attending my daughters graduation ceremony from UCL this summer I was at once struck by the overwhelming number of white seemingly middle class students while noting that other ethnicities mainly comprised of Chinese and Indian students . The same is tue of other red brick universities East London ,Westminster,Thames " universities are no substitute for academic excellence but understandable given the apparently low expectations tolerated at primary and secondary level.
Aside from the frankly repugnant and overt antisemitic reference and unsubstantiated inference of partiality ,MPAC would do well to question why there is a dearth of experts within the Muslim community capable of leading this enquiry.

 

Harvela a far more relevant

Harvela a far more relevant question to you is what makes you think that in the muslim community there are no people capable of being members of this inquiry.
being capable is one thing being given the oppurtunity is another thing.
I just hope you did not ask the question because any racist or bigoted ideology.

 

Shan The racism and bigotry

Shan
The racism and bigotry is in the post not my comment.
I am merely suggesting that instead of complaining about the ethnicity of the panel and prejudging the outcome of the enquiry on that basis ,the Muslim community should by now be sufficiently empowered ,established and intergrated within British society to have any number of individuals suitably qualified to lead the enquiry .
You query as to whether you are allowed the opportunity in the first place.Are you suggesting the ommission is some sort of conspiracy against the community in which case where is the evidence and collective protest .
For once stop playing the victim and get involved .Leave the culture of the village mentality behind and break down the barriers as previous immigrants have been doing for the last 300 years or so. The " We wuz robbed " mentality is ok on the football field but is demeaning when used as an excuse for every perceived sleight and exclusion.

 

What brilliance from Harvela.

Has managed to make a paradigm shift in the thread and reveals the theme of "Everyone's against us - especially Jews".

He/She then raises the great point that here are two members of a much smaller minority group, who suffered The Holocaust and antisemitism wherever they chose to live and yet educated themselves into mainstream experts and exemplars in their chosen fields - and mainly from poor and working-class ghettoisation.

So, its fair to ask why posters here winge at their success and yet never seem to achieve the same heights within their own communities.

Its always someone else's fault though. And who is that perennial, easy target? Jews of course.

It was Matahir of Malaysia who once asked "How is it that 1.5bn Muslims can't achieve what 15million Jews have managed"

The question still has no answer.

A great contribution to the debate.

 

harvela are you being naive

harvela are you being naive or being sarcastic, you know very well that there is instituional bias and racism within departments of the british establishment, many surverys and reports have come to this point.
I agree with you that after 300 years certian communities who were singled out and villfied have become part of the establishment, the same will happen with othere communities overtime.
Your assertion was having the capability ,there is a big diffrence between capablity and being given the chance.

 

Muslims do not take pride from slavery

Talmud takes great pride in having been enslaved in Africa by Pharaohs although with questionable degree of doubt. However, what it shows is the lack of freedom in the readers of the Talmud and their inclination to servitude.

 

how come i am an ignorant

how come i am an ignorant coward yet these articles are unsigned?

 

oops i meant anonymous but

oops i meant anonymous but you get the point, don't you?

 

what a disgusting racist

what a disgusting racist post.
The universities are full of Muslims,
They are blocked from progress in the same way Jews were in the past.

Empowerment through political participation

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