Why Muslim Leaders Must Not Attend The Holocaust Day & Betray Palestine

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Crap. Muslims as a collective are not victims of the Holocaust! Palestinians Muslim and Christian may be victims of the Holocaust, but this is arguable.
What is not arguable is that Zionism is a Jewish reaction to the exploitation and abuse of Jews. That abuse is founded in sectarian supremacy practiced by both Christians and Muslims.
The Palestinians are paying the price for the fact that by the 20th C Jews were no longer prepared to accept the situation and took action. That action deprived the Palestinians of control over the land they claimed as their own. It was accompanied by violence on both sides and following 1948 the number of Palestinian victims has far outnumbered that of Zionists.
Let us not forget that in the 30's & 40's the semitic fraternity did not extend to the Muslim collective extending the caring hand to save the Jews at their hour of need. Had Muslims, who knew full well what was happening to Jews in Germany & elsewhere, had invited them to escape to Muslim lands and contribute to the future then Israel may have been still-born.
The Holocaust has different significance for Jews and non-Jews. For Jews it was obviously the loss of 33% of their number and the impact can only be guessed at by outsiders. For non-Jews it marks a point where there was unequivocal revulsion at the genocide and was the catalyst for a fundamental change in international law.
The purpose of HMD is to remind ourselves of why these international values changed and never allow ourselves to forget.
If there are lessons to be learnt from the Holocaust they differ between Jew and non-Jews. For Jews it must be never to allow themselves to be caught weak and vulnerable again, and be willing to commit any act in the defence of their interests. For non-Jews it must be revulsion and horror at the attrocities that mankind can commit and to guard against this.
It is unavoidable that HMD reconfirms for Zionists the validity of Zionism but that is their business frankly. Until the nations of the world treat Jews as equals in law & practice then the Zionist argument remains credible. So long as groups and individuals seek to diminish the Holocaust and seek to defame Jews and seek to imperil their lives on the basis of some religious texts then the Zionist argument remains credible. As Zionism is a reaction, I suggest we look at the action needed to address that within ourselves.
However if we forget the Holocaust then it is likely to be repeated, and sadly next time it may well be Muslims who find themselves isolated and friendless, and herded into the gas chambers. If we are clear why we are attending HMD it is irrelevant why the Zionists are there.

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Submitted by The Caretaker on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 11:44pm.

'More Jew hating vile, noxious trash. Well done.'

What exactly was 'jew hating' about this article?

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Israel butchered 1500 people and maimed a further 5000 in Gaza, a year on how many have died due to the lack of rebuilding thanks to the izzies not letting basics of food clothes and shelter into the area.

This is the worlds largest concentration camp.

The Israelis are using the Holocaust Memorial Day as a political weapon, Ynet reports how the zionists plan to use the memories of those that suffered and died to further their political causes, by smearing the Goldstone report.

http://hotterthanapileofcurry.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/holocaust-memoria...

Judging by the comments from icbm (whatever that stands for), it so easy to now understand how many muslims have completely lost the plot and are in the pitiful state that they find themselves. Unable to control their anger they retort to the use of emotive and uncivilised language. If icbm is a muslim he should be ashamned and should go back and reflect more deeply on how he or she conducts himself. Have your views about HMD but for goodness sake argue your point in a more civilised manner.

I am only ashamed of not berating you and your pompous attitude more vehemently.
Don't preach to me about civility. Tell a 7 yr old Palestinian girl with her face half-burnt away by an Israeli phosphorus bomb that we must continue to appease the Zionists otherwise we will be labeled anti-Semitic. She will go and tell you where you can stick your civillised language and behaviour.
Oh and next time you attend an HMD ask the Zionists around you what an icbm is and ask how many icbm’s Israel currently has pointing at Muslim cities.

dingwallman, nice post, mature post

Genocide day is a good idea for it would as you say stop extreme likudniks from using it for their goals and it would give us a break from islamists whining about it.

Who are we to tell them what they should do with this day?

I will leave such issue to them cos the biggest crime you can do to a Jew is not to give them attention. All goyim should avoid being associated with this since it has become "Hate Goyim" day in jewish calendars, thus the "anti-Semitism speeches they have been giving across the world.

If you had a point I would respond. Sadly you do not, at least one that makes sense.

ps your father might run a mosque committee, can you ask him when he will give it back to the community for its use rather then for his tribes ego.

The Holocaust took place between 1933 and 1945.

The State of Israel was formed in 1948. None of the crimes of the State of Israel against the Palestinian people can be laid at the feet of the victims of the Holocaust who were all dead well before Israel was formed. And, of course, the Nazi genocide did not just include the Jews. For example, the gypsy population also suffered genocide at the hands of the Nazis.

Most Holocaust memorial events say they include remembering other genocides. And the very message of the events - never again - makes no sense if other genocides are not included.

So attend and remember all those who have perished in genocides around the world. If there is particular genocide you want to commemorate, think of that during the period of silence.

Q shut up with your pathetic Israel propaganda. If you really cared about the holocause - you would be crying for the Palestinians.

Moron!

DapperDan, each time someone denies the experiences of the Jews as victims of oppression, they validate the Jew's oppression of others.
It is not good enough to demand of Jews, Zionist & Non-Zionist alike, that that they bear witness to and abstain from violence against other peoples. Given the historic denial of equality and the violence directed towards Jews, on what grounds does anyone demand such exemplary behaviour from them if we are not prepared to acknowledge their victimhood and the consequences that has?
The Palestinians are paying the price for our collective brutality and inifference (Christian & Muslim). Who should compensate the Palestinians? The Zionists who have taken their land or the others who nations butchered the Jews and provided the impulse for Zionism? It seems to me that we, non-Jews, are letting ourselves off very easily.

icbm & dapperdan's comments illustrate perfectly why the Zionist Jews exhibit such indifference to the suffering of the Palestinians. I suspect that the reality is that they (icbm & dapperdan) fear the consequences of understanding. To understand is to see your enemy as a human, with all the same weaknesses and anguish as yourself. But this clashes with the paradigm of seeing the Zionists as satanic monsters who need to be detroyed. This paradigm has been compounded by a sel-deceiving account of the experience of Jews under Muslims rule, where we deluded ourselves that they lived out their lives under some indulgent caring paternalism. The Muslim account has the credibility of the Ku Klux Klan story of the Afro-American experience.
The Zionists are winning because they do not lie to themselves constantly, whereas Muslims do. They are fighting reality, whereas Muslims are fighting a fantasy of their own construction. In doing so the Muslim collective validate the Zionist argument that ultimately Jews cannot trust or rely upon anyone but themselves. It is not a damaging reflection upon the Zionist state of mind, but the state of mind of non-Jews.