"If You Had A Heart, You'd Cry For Palestine"
7:57 pm, Wed 27 Jan 2010
Watch how Dr. Norman Finkelstein puts a Zionist firmly in their place, even beating the trump card of the holocaust, the "Ace" used by the holocaust industry to silence any dissenting opinion on the racist state that is known as Israel.
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Finklestein, is truly an
Submitted by Justice on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 1:43am.Finklestein, is truly an amazing man.
Such sincere moral clarity is rare.
A True Inspiration
Submitted by qasim88 on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 6:12am.Dr. Norman Finkelstein has always been, and still is a true and powerful inspiration to myself. It was because of people like this man and many others such as Noam Chomsky that i too now have devoted my life to a greater cause. One of the important things that i learnt from this incredible man was that to adequately pursue Jihad, one must make significant sacrifices and maintain a stringent discipline so that you can keep yourself focussed and not be led astray by this decadent hedonistic society. I believe this clip was taken from his documentary film based upon himself - "American Radical" - also a fantastic film, i recommend everyone make it obligatory to watch it and read all of his meticulously compiled yet very comprehensive material which consists of a plethora of books and articles, as well as other literature.
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Submitted by The Caretaker on Fri, 29/01/2010 - 8:56pm.-
A Family Argument
Submitted by Q on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 10:16am.The dispute is more like a family argument than anything else, and what does anyone outside accrue from it.
Finkelstein likes to select very narrow issues and then use them for his own self-aggrandisement. Some of the people he relies on and praises their work like Benny Morris, accuse Finkelstein of a very selective approach to evidence and in that he doesn't differ from the people he criticises. Finkelstein's critique of Joan Peter's book From Time Immemorial challenges the methodology and her conclusions, but does not challenge the veracity of the basic documentary evidence. Finklestein also uses the Holocaust, his parents incarceration in Auschwitz & Majdanek, to provide himself with credibiluty as much as the people he attacks.
Finkelstein's position is that instictively he idealises and promotes political assimilation, atheism and internatalionalism, which corresponds with the pre-war Jewish Bundist philosphy which failed absolutely in the end. But he has no practical alternative to Zionism. The parents he cites were lucky in being able to find refuge in the USA after WW2. This opportunity was not available to the majority, and neither was return to their former homes. IMO he also holds an imperialist / orientalist stance regarding non-whites gentiles as subordinate intellectually and culturally. This is evidenced by his failure to demand of this subordinate group the same standards that he demands of whites & Jews. This ostensibly racist paradigm is surprisingly common throughout US & European left-wing intellectual groups. Over the years I have noted that while Jews were regarded as victims and weak they were favoured by the left-wing. As soon as they began to assert themselves as a nation in Israel and ceased being weak, then the left-wing turned against them. That same adoption of the weak extends to Palestinians and others. This adoption is emotionally driven, irrantional and uncritical, and thus where the left-wing intellectual could make significant contributions to social reform they idealise traditional, corrupt and thoroughly ineffective cultures.
IMO if people spent more time examining the drivers within the Jewish communities and objectively assessed the relationships between people like Finkelstein & Chomsky and their adopted favourites we would treat them with far more circumspection.
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Submitted by The Caretaker on Fri, 29/01/2010 - 8:57pm.-
Mr Caretaker
Submitted by ShadowLite on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 12:15pm.Shame you can never do the same.... o_O
The gentleman in question
Submitted by Shaan on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 12:18pm.The gentleman in question shows the reality of what Palestinians have to suffer at the hand of zionist jews, the fact that he gets called a Jew hater shows he is getting the message through to the world.
A common trait of zionists is to Call those jews who are honest enough to admit the suffering of the palestinians as jew haters-self haters or deluded.
non jews are labelled anti-semites, the reality is no sane person Can defend the racist zionist terrorist state of Israel in its murder-occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people.
It is people like finkelstein who show why we should differentiate between jews and zionist jews.
Funny how the Zionists all
Submitted by Daud Ingham on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 12:28pm.Funny how the Zionists all jump in defending their racist ideology when a Jewish person exposes their vile agenda. They even try to fool people into thinking Zionism has something to do with Judaism. It doesn't. It's just a harmful political ideology just like Nazism.
Thank You
Submitted by HotterThanAPile... on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 12:49pm.Well done to Dr. Finkelstein for consistently telling the truth and exposing the zionist hasbara techniques.
Can't wait to see the documentary.
The Truth will overcome falsehood
http://hotterthanapileofcurry.wordpress.com/
Zionism & Judaism
Submitted by Q on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 12:57pm.I find it strange that non-Jews repeatedly seek to assert that Zionism has no association with Judaism, and thus arrogate to themselves the right to define Judaism. The majority of Jews appear to support some form of Zionism, and certainly each year observant Jews state "Next Year in Jerusalem" at Passover which suggests that there is a repeated intention to relocate to the Holy Land. They certainly identify with the area. The Jews who oppose the current Zionist state do so on the basis that the Messiah has yet to arrive, but once he does then they would support it.
But Zionism is a political concept as a reaction to sectarian discrimination and ethnic nationalism. Had the host nations / dominant faiths uniformly afforded the Jews equality in law and practice it is unlikely that Zionism would have developed. Had the world communities offered refuge to the Jews facing discrimination, abuse & annihilation then Zionism would not have gained a foothold.
But the world communities were indifferent to their needs & suffering.
The Palestinian people today are paying the price for the world's indifference and culpability.
Across MPACUK's site are the anguished demands that actionis taken to defend Muslims. These demands are made of the world communities. There is a also repeated validation of violent reaction to the indifference shown to Musims. In essence this doesn't differ much from the Zionists perspective.
If the Jews imbue Zionism with religious significance then that is their business. Their faith based claims upon territory are no more valid that Islamic concepts of the Khalifat and relationships between believers and non-believers.
If you want peace then act peacefully, put aside weapons, listen to your enemy and colloborate to build peace.
The man speaks the truth and
Submitted by Mystic on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 1:12pm.The man speaks the truth and you are deaf not to sense the sincerity in his voice. The mere fact he is disowned by Zionists just goes to show how powerful and influential the speech of Dr. Finkelstein is!
Criticising the Zionists is
Submitted by Q on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 1:39pm.Criticising the Zionists is easy, as are the tears that fall for the Palestinians in Gaza. But a library full of words and a sea full of tears will not progress anything.
Mr, Finkelstein is a very intelligent man, and so he should have something more than the negative comments he currently makes. He claims to champion the cause of the Palestinians yet he offers nothing constructive for the establishment of a viable state.
to all tha HASBARA
Submitted by FREE PALESTINE. on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 1:49pm.All arabs are semites but nearly 90% of the zionist/nazis are european.
so we cannot be anti-semites but you the HASBARA agents (israeli paid agents) are!!!!
90% of the zionist/nazis are
Submitted by Dmoloney on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 1:59pm.90% of the zionist/nazis are european.
Are you sure, from what ive read the majority of israelis were of north african and middle eastern descent until the mass emigration of jews from the former soviet union
The gentleman is doing the
Submitted by Shaan on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 2:23pm.The gentleman is doing the world a constructive favour by letting them know what the Palestinians have to suffer at the hands of Zionist terrorists,to me that is a very constructive thing to do.
As for having a viable solution it is simple but a racist Zionist deviant like you does not wish to have a viable peaceful one nation for all.
You want a racist Zionist terrorist state to keep murdering and oppressing the Palestinians in the hope the Will all one day disappear ,that will not happen.
The choice is the racist Zionists to go peacefully like in apartheid south Africa or go forcefully like in Nazi Germany.
to caretaker tha HASBARA agent (bullshiting & getting paid by i
Submitted by FREE PALESTINE. on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 3:01pm.The real jews are very nice and gentle human beings. The Zionist/nazis are like cancer for the true/real jewish people.
Im not a jew hater im a zionist/nazi hater.
FREE PALESTINE FROM THE TERROR STATE OF ISRAEL
FREE PALESTINE FROM FROM THE RACIST APARTHEID REGIME
FREE PALESTINE FROM INNOCENT WOMEN & CHILD KILLERS
FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIO-NAZIS ORGAN THIEFS
I was once in a debate in
Submitted by Q on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 4:32pm.I was once in a debate in Europe about peace, and someone asked naively what happened to all those nice gentle Jews there used to be, who drank coffee and were so friendly. She said how much she missed them and how they had been so much of her childhood. The room was quiet for a moment, and then a gruff hard-looking Israeli Jew said quietly "You killed them, we are all that's left"
While it is a trite little story, it does provide a truth that the nice gentle Jews fill the grave pits from the border of Pakistan to the Artic Circle to Morrocco and beyond.
Perhaps you who believe that these gentle nice people are the "rael Jews" should gather them up and put them somewhere safe, like a zoo. All it needs is another madmen and they will all be gone.
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Submitted by The Caretaker on Fri, 29/01/2010 - 8:58pm.-
The Reality of Israel
Submitted by Q on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 4:57pm.Caretaker: Israel is a multi-party democracy with a distinctive form of proportional representation, which empowers fringe groups. in which every citizen has the vote.
Israel is not a racist state, but a sectarian state which discriminates in a number of situations on the basis of declared religion assocation and identity. The most striking instance of discrimination is in conscription where men & women are not treated equally and citzens declaring themselves non-Palestinians are compelled to serve in the armed forces. This clearly gives Palestinians considerable advantages in terms of personal security, education, career progression and wealth. This discrimination affects 80%+ of the population. Israel formerly discrimated in land / housing by allowing the JNF to discrimiate against non-Jews this is now illegal. It discrimates against non-Jews who have long assocation & identification with the Holy Land by not affording them the right of return.
The State of Israel has been responsible for the killing of a considerable number of people as a consequence of the ongoing instablity and war. It is absurd to claim otherwise. It is alleged that the State of Israel has committed war crimes. As yet this is allegation and conjecture as Israel has yet to be brought before a court.
I understand that a real Jew is someone who has a Jewish mother or has converted to Judaism.
Finkelstein is brilliant!
Submitted by The Truth on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 6:37pm.Love the way he answered that....anyone else would have fallen for the emotional blackmail.
The truth and sincerity vibrated in his voice....only a zionist wouldnt hear it cos its something they dont recognise.
p.s. classic when he said 'shut up' lool
Tears, Tears, Tears.... a river of tears, Yet no morality
Submitted by BRAVESTAR on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 6:52pm.Bloody hell man that truly was a performance don’t U think? if she wore black like a professional mourner that would have probably convinced me……..Naaaaaa!
Israel has as much right to exist as a donkey has a right to a bowl of sushi. If my analogy slightly confuses U, than that’s precisely my bloody point. They never did have any right to exist at all in that region, that land has set a trap 4 em and it will finish em all; Neo Nazi fascists. You will be paid back in full for all the righteous acts you’ve committed.
What a genius response!! It
Submitted by Freddy on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 7:08pm.What a genius response!!
It is amazing how these baby killers are ready to cry tears for something that happened 50 years ago but ignore the reality of today! Brain washed over eating zombies!
A Brilliant Actress
Submitted by Taz on Thu, 28/01/2010 - 9:11pm.Bravo! Bravo! Fantastic acting! I almost believed her. A brilliant attempt at Hasbara (lying for Israel). Here have a shekel!
@ Q
Submitted by KM200X on Fri, 29/01/2010 - 12:10am.Do you think that we are actually fooled by your pseudo-intellectual analysis?
Please you idiot, don't patronise us. We all know better. You are a Zionist with a hidden agenda so please understand that we don't actually believe anything you have to say.
And who can blame us? Who would believe someone that justifies the acts of the vile Zionists.
Good on Finkelstein for giving that stupid, naive girl what she deserved.
It was a snapshot of an event
Submitted by Q on Fri, 29/01/2010 - 12:46am.It was a snapshot of an event where Mr, Finkelstein, a man clearly in control, responded to some emotional statements. Mr. Finkelstein steps away from the podium and looks pleased with himself. Frankly it is meaningless. It is merely a demonstration of control, and reflects the age and experience of Mr. Finkelstein.
But IMO it is just part of a "family squabble" where unresolved issues from the past come up time and time again. Most of us from outside the "family" dont understand it and so we get it wrong. It's not until someone from within the family gives you some background to the conflict it becomes clear. Both Finkelstein and the hecklers are using the Holocaust and their families victimisation to validate their points of view.
Chomsky and Finklestein
Submitted by wahine on Sat, 30/01/2010 - 3:46am.Now regarded by the intellectual elite as has beens, paid to serve the left and disregarded as 'popularists' by many top universities who have not yet bowed to the lure of Islamic studies funded by Saudi.
But they are still on the gravy train when invited to speak to muslim students because they tell them what they wan't to hear about big, bad Jews. Certainly keeps the bank accounts of these two historians overflowing. Clever - eh? Muslims financially supporting Jews who are generally seen as pariahs.