Government Shows Lack of Spine in UN Vote

On 16th October, the UN endorsed the Goldstone Report, which accused both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes and possible crimes against humanity during the three-week Israeli offensive on Gaza in January.
So how did the countries vote at the UN on this report?
For: Argentina, Brazil, China, Russia and 21 others
Against: US, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Slovakia and Ukraine
Abstentions: Belgium, Bosnia, Burkina-Faso, Cameroon, Gabon, Japan, Mexico, Norway, South Korea, Slovenia and Uruguay
No vote: United Kingdom, France and 3 others.
Muslim institutions should be slamming our Government for this and holding them to account; but we're not holding our breath. Wait for next Eid and watch all the Muslim boot-lickers sucking up to David Miliband for a photo opportunity. Do our wonderful leaders even know what the Goldstone report is, let alone push for this petition to be signed to put pressure on PM Brown to accept the findings of the Goldstone report and ensure that Israel is brought to justice over its crimes in Palestine?
We, as individuals, and our institutions have a duty toward ensuring human rights. Here are just some of the actions that can be taken to ensure that our Government does the right thing:
1) MPACUK calls on mosques to explain to their congregations what the petition is for and to get them to sign it. We are willing to work with Muslim institutions for this purpose.
2) For us, as individuals, to take this to our local mosque and ask the committee and congregation to sign it.
3) Sign it yourself.
4) Explain to friends and family what the report is about and ask them to put their names to it.
5) Contact the Prime Minister's Office and urge action on the issue.
MPACUK would love to hear from anyone who has undertaken these simple actions and what the reactions were to these requests as well as the results.
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you anti-semites
Submitted by simon on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 12:31am.What do all you antisemites have against the nuke-toting, prisoner-torturing, child-poisoning, sex-slave-trading, land-robbing, organ-harvesting Apartheid Freaks that commit a war crime now and then?
Simon says believe everything Israel says & stuff Jewish ethics
Submitted by K. Urban on Sun, 25/10/2009 - 7:53am.Simple-in-the-head Simon
What about the investigation of Hamas for War Crimes?
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 11:42am.Why DIDN'T the UK vote for it?
Here is the stupidity of the report and why its going nowehere. Since the report cites Hamas firing rockets indiscriminately at Israel and since they have been doing that for over two years despite signing a ceasefire they broke numerous times then how come the UN weren't interested in these War Crimes two years ago.
Hence, the UN and UNHRC is a farce and the main Countries and Democracies of the UN know that. The report will simply disappear.
Bye! Bye!
Because Hamas is not a country
Submitted by T Khan on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 1:33pm.Because Hamas is not a country and did not deliberately slaughter 1400 people mostly civilians.
Eh?
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 3:56pm.Hamas is not a country???
Neither is IDF a country.
Neither IDF nor Israel "deliberately slaughterd 1400 people"
Have you any evidence?
Do your own research
Submitted by T Khan on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 4:28pm.IDF is not a country but Israel is who has signed up to the Geneva conventions. Read the Geneva conventions. Read the Goldstone report, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch and B'tselem reports. Read what Red Cross had to say at the time. Read the Israeli soldiers own testimonies fully documented in 'Breaking the Silence" reports.
Why would I waste my time reading?
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 6:35pm.If Hamas can be accused of War Crimes for firing several thousand rockets at Israel then it was a War Crime two years ago and the UN weren't interested.
Hence, the UN aren't interested in Goldstone report either. It will fade into history and nothing will happen.
Salaam all, Just expressed my
Submitted by Aumayra Saleem on Sat, 24/10/2009 - 11:46pm.Salaam all,
Just expressed my concern by registering my vote on the prime ministers website, and emailing my local mp, come on people lets get our voices heard.
UK to sort out torture in West Bank. Out of control!
Submitted by Anonymous Cowslip on Sun, 25/10/2009 - 12:38pm.Quote: "Yesterday a senior official from the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority (PA), which runs the West Bank and its security agencies, admitted for the first time that torture, beatings and extra-judicial killings have been rife for the past two years, with hundreds of torture allegations and at least four murders in custody, the most recent in August.
Haitham Arar, head of the Palestinian Authority interior ministry’s human rights department, said: ‘This is a shame on the Palestinian Authority. We are determined with the help of our British colleagues to instill respect for human rights as part of the security forces’ daily behaviour and to teach them how to treat prisoners properly.’"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222722/British-police-intellige...
Bwahhhahhhhaaaaaaaa!
"Instil respect for human rights". About time!
Finally admitting what many of us already knew.
Thanks to the UK this time, eh?
Missing the Point?
Submitted by Q on Mon, 26/10/2009 - 9:44am.I wonder whether UK's failure to express any opinion in relation to this report has more to do with potential precedents that could be made due to this report and the UNHRC's stance.
The report places a primary responsibility upon Israel to provide absolute protection for civilians, without regard for any other condition. Thus even though civilians may provide succour and shelter to the fighters. There is some suggestion in the debate that persons who are not part of a formal state military formation who engage on a part-time basis as combatants are to be considered civilians at any point where they are not actively engaged in combat.
Equally the issues of asymetrical warfare that place constraints upon the stronger side in responding to attacks by a weaker faction or nation. If the stronger body may not deploy their full military capacity then that advantage ceases to be a deterent.
If powerful nations such as UK are likely upon the above criteria to find themselves brought before war crimes tribunals then it those states need to reconsider their international role and defence strategy.
In the Gaza conflict the ceasefire was breached due to actions by Hamas (attempted kidnapping raid) and the subsequent invasion was a response to Hamas militart action directed exclusively against civilian targets. If Israel is to be taken to court over its actions, and Hamas is not, then clearly the entire Israeli strategy needs to be rethought. This is highly unlikely to benefit the Palestinians.
If Israel is found guilty then it certainly will permanently and completely alienate Israel from the UN, and the Israelis will ask in what basis an organisation populated by various dictatorships and HR abusers has a right to judge Israel. While such a position may make things difficult for the Israelis, it would be catastrophic for the Palestinians. Simply how would aid be delivered to the Palestinians if the Israelis refuse to host or cooperate with the UN?
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas
Submitted by Anonymous Cowslip on Mon, 26/10/2009 - 1:26pm.A good summary by Q.
The political reality is that none of the Western Nations would have acted much differently than Israel, In fact I doubt they would have been so restrained. There is no defined response to terrorists using human shields to commit the War Crime of firing thousands of rockets and missiles at a civilian population.
The more you say this the more ridiculous teh Goldstone report comes.
What would Britain do if Isle Of Man fired 6,000 riockets and missiles at Liverpool and the surrounds? When you tell me that Hamas are trying to liberate Palestine then we simply have to point to Roadmap and peace processes designed to do that without any loss of life. Why would you deliberately cause loss of life when you have a way of getting what you want without killing?
Because Hamas are simply a bunch of Terrorist Killers.
6,000 rockets?
Submitted by mazin on Tue, 27/10/2009 - 4:36pm.Over what period where these rockets fired?
Over the same period, how many rockets did Israel fire?
How much damage (in millions of USD) was caused by Hamas in this period?
How much damage (in millions of USD) was caused by Israel in this period?
How many Israeli's were killed by Hamas during this period?
How many Palestinians were killed by Israel during this period?
Oh, sorry, just ignore those questions, I just realised they're a bit redundant.
I forgot that Israel can kill and damage with impunity, because they are defending themselves whereas the Palestinians are not allowed to defend themselves. Silly me for trying to make a fair comparison, I should know better.
But that's the whole point.
Submitted by The Real BB on Tue, 27/10/2009 - 4:49pm.But that's the whole point. They weren't defending themselves.
When an Israeli helicopter targets a militant they are preventing that individual perpetrating future attacks against Israel either directly or indirectly. This is a valid form of defence.
When a palestinian fires a rocket which cannot be aimed towards a nearby town, how is this defence? What possible outcome could result from this act which would enhance the safety of the Palestinians?
Blaming Hamas
Submitted by Q on Tue, 27/10/2009 - 9:47am.Many of us, including myself, are in error in blaming Hamas' political leadership for the rockets which acted as a catalyst for this latest Israeli violence. The perpetrators of these attacks came from both "Hamas" & "Fatah" military factions, as Goldstone correctly identifies. despite Hamas' call for a cessation of rocket & mortar fire it did not occur and it highlights a fundamental and critical issue for Palestine.
The armed factions are largely independent of the political factions and are not subject entirely to their directions. The root of this is in the foundation of the PLO and Arafat's practice of encouraging factionalism to ensure his own power. It also is founded in the fundamental threat that a negotiated peace poses for the armed factions. Today the armed factions are able to raise funds through a variety of mechanism to resource their activities, including paying wages. Once the need for the armed factions ceases they will not be able to raise such funds and their fighters will find themselves at the economic bottom of the pile. They are unlikely to be easily intergrated into a single government force because they lack the skills required for a national force, and are unlikely to be willing to subordinate themselves to an elected government.
It has been too easy for everyone to gloss over the threat that these faction pose to the Palestinian nation state. But the Jenin & Balata "Massacres" highlighted the real threat that factionalism poses where the Fatah led government had lost control of these camps in 1999 and armed factions ran them and operated out of them.
These operationally independent forces can and do undermine attempts to work toward a negotiated peace as the only meaningful contribution that the Palestinian collective can offer in negotiations is a permanent cessation of violence. So long as the PNA does not control these forces and thus cannot deliver on peace then the Zionists have an excuse to impede any progression to an end to the conflict.
Interestingly, despite some Zionist fantasies exhibited here about Jewish unity, the nascent Israeli state faced exactly the same issue in 1948 and the dominant Haganah under the direction fo Ben Gurion's leadership forcibly denied the Irgun the opportunity to continue to be an independent force. (For those interested they should read up on the Altalena).
Ultimately the PNA, whatever its complexion, will have to disarm all of these factions and bring all military & security activity under the sole control of the PNA. Until that time arrives, the factions' Kalashnikovs will be forever jammed into the backs of the PNA's leadership and the faces of the Palestinian people. Until that time arrives there will never be a stable Palestinian state.