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A Revolution in the Muslim World?

As Yemen now tips to fall into anarchy, is the old order of the Muslim world starting to crumble? Western Governments have spent trillions keeping the old order in the Muslim world, overthrowing Democratic leaders, or those that simply disagreed with them, and replacing them with despots, Kings and - yes - men.

The Muslims by in large paid the price, being tortured if they spoke up and tried to make peaceful reform to these propped up leaders, and labeled 'terrorists' ,hunted and killed if they took up arms.

Under the surface and in such extreme conditions, anger was bubbling. Young men who only knew too well the extremists that the west had helped govern, kill and torture their countrymen, grew more extreme themselves.

It is was only a matter of time until cracks started to appear and the volcano of anger started to spit out its contents in fury before it finally exploded.

Al Qaeeda was the first sign that most westerners knew something was very wrong with the Muslim world. Bin Laden who had fought in Afghanistan against the Russians made it clear that he was going to hit back at America for what it had done in the Middle East and chief amongst his grievances was Israel. He called for Jihad (resistance) against the west and demanded Muslims take up arms, not with local individual aims but as a global cause.

Powerful voices from the Christian right and Jewish Zionists, along with other interests within the American establishment pushed for war. Putting aside the well documented powerful religious motivations to go to war within the neocon administration, Bin Ladens attacks were the perfect opportunity to get rid of one of Israel's main opponents in the Middle East. More dangerous still was the message of Muslim global resistance itself - they feared in the hearts of an oppressed people, it could well be taken up. So America entered Afghanistan and Iraq, a catastrophic miscalculation in an already dangerous place seething with anger.

And so the cracks deepened, with Afghanistan falling to chaos, its neighbour Pakistan started to bubble and crack. Somalia and Yemen too started to unravel, the weaker poorer states crumbling first, yes their were local reasons for this, not directly connected, but all symptoms of the failed western policy in the Muslim world, the larger more pivotal Muslim states to the west managing so far to keep a lid on it - just.

Billions of western dollars and thousands of troops were needed to keep the pot from boiling over. Near economic meltdown due to the banking crisis meant the west had a finite resource to play with.

In the Muslim world the idea of Global resistance (jihad) had started to spread. In the West,  Governments acted quickly to ensure their oppressive policies were never seen as the root cause of the problem. Instead the corporate media created a propaganda narrative, which argued that warped religious fanatics were hell bent on killing westerners, simply because their God told them too and it had nothing to do with occupation or oppression, backed by foreign policies that destroyed millions of Muslims lives. It kept their public in the dark and onside, and gave them time to fix the problem.

Tabloid outrage and new groups were manufactured by powerful established Zionists to turn the west into a war machine against Muslims - they pushed an Islamaphobic narrative that started to turn the tide of western liberal opinion against Muslims, manufacturing the conditions for a clash of civilisations. Now western Muslims realised first hand, this had a truly global dimension, and they were not mere spectators to events overseas.

A ray of hope has come with Obama reaching out to Muslims, and he does have a chance to make a real change to the worsening situation, but powerful people within the body politic of America many of them Zionists will not let that happen, mark my words, at every turn he will be tied up with endless local battles and his efforts towards the Muslim world will finally be exhausted. Another war in the Muslim world is coming; Pro-Israel lobbyists will push America into it. 

When it does, I predict revolution and resistance will fan through the Muslim world and states themselves will weaken and fall. Mass propaganda will demonise Muslims in Europe in order to justify the war, and Muslims will suffer violence, hatred and real fear and a society will divide. In that furnace a new order will rise. What that new order will bring is the question?

 

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Yemen

Surely this is a proxy war between Saudi and Iran. Saudi support the north and Iran arms the south.

The Yemens of the south claim they are being oppressed by those of the North who have taken much of their land because the south is richer in oil and the north want it.

What is going on in the Yeman beggars belief, thousands have been killed this year and civilians in displaced peoples camps have been bombed and strafed by North Yemens' Airforce. Appalling human rights violations, by both sides, have occurred.

What on earth have Zionists got to do with a muslim civil war?

 

The Saudi's would be

The Saudi's would be overthrown in one day by their own people if the Americans (and we all know who runs that country) did not prop them up.

The Saudi regime in not popular, and only survives because America wants to rob the Muslims world of oil on the cheap.

So in short it has everything to do with America and the Zionists.

 

Is any Muslim regime popular?

Is any Muslim regime popular? The fact is each and every single Muslim country is run by and evil savage dictator and each of these countires dictators is being proped up by the West. It is there policy that the Ummah should be kept under thier control and not be free! The Muslim world is a powerful force and the eneimies of Islam and Muslims will do everything to make sure that power never rises!. All the Muslim leaders are unaccountable and unrepresentative they despise thier own populations and the populas hate thier evil leaders. But if every man woman and child in these countires took to the streets like they did in Iran in 1979 then they could over thorw each of these disgusting evil Muslim rulers. The Saudi family are now in an alliance with the Zionists to attack Iran what a disgusting breed they are surely they are cursed!

 

so it's ok to take over a

so it's ok to take over a country by force?

 

Gayman it seems ok for

Gayman it seems ok for israelis-americans-british-italians-russians-polish-germans-indians-australians-bulgarians-koreans-japanese and god knows how many others who have taken over iraq and afghan by force.
They are called champions of human rights and democracy,so when natives take over their own nations by force from foreign backed dictatorial vassals, then i see no wrong in that.

 

Emulating the kaffirs? That

Emulating the kaffirs? That doesn't sound too Islamic.

 

Gayman is this best you can

Gayman is this best you can do, btw standing up to oppressors is the biggest sign of faith in islam,so no copying of kaffirs here.

 

Well you invade us if we

Well you invade us if we don't emulate you, so we cant win can we....

 

Yes of course it is when the

Yes of course it is when the indigenous population is doing it to get rid of
1. Tyrannical Leaders.
2. To set up a government that is accountable and representative.
3. To be free of torture and arbitrary arrest.
4. To be independent and a free sovereign nation.
5. To get rid of leaders who are no more than puppets of foreign powers.
6. To stop foreign powers giving financial aid and weapons to their evil tyrannical leaders which are used to torture their own populations and start wars which are only in the interest of foreign powers.
7. To have a right to education jobs and create a moral society free of nepotism and corruption.
The entire Muslim world is suffering from these problems and the only way they can resolves these problems if they overthrew their own evil dictatorships which are being supported by Western powers to subjugate their own populations. Now if all these leaders held free and fair elections there would be no problem but they won’t and the Western powers like it this way because they don’t like the parties or governments these free people will elect.

 

go for it then

go for it then

 

Sounds like you are against

Sounds like you are against all the freedom and justice the peoples of the Muslim world are crying out for and you would prefer them to be under the iron fist of these evil facist dictotors rather than choosing their own leaders in a free and fair way?
Perhaps you prefer these evil Arab regimes one thing i have noticed about thses Arab regimes is that the security forces in each and every country have a thing for male rape! Maybe thats the attraction for you?

 

Sada is in the north of yemen

Sada is in the north of yemen bordering saudi, the houthis from day one told the yemeni president not to side with america.
This is not a muslim civil war, obama has clearly stated they will help to arm and finance the yemeni government,saudi is a american vassal nation.
yes the muslim world is going to change,as the new generation of muslims have had enough of being slaughtered in the millions,in the last few decades.

 

Tragic Yemen twinned with

Tragic
Yemen twinned with Somalia ,Sudan , Irak , Libya , Iran , Lebanon ,Algeria ,Afghanistan etc. Failed despotic corrupt regimes ,exporters of terrorism and responsible for the brutal subjugation and murder of their own citizens . The' Ummah ' is nowhere to be seen - nice in theory but a little lacking in practical matters so much so that it required the intervention of NATO to end the suffering of Muslims in Kosovo and again in Irak by removing the blood thirsty tyrant Saddam Hussein .

Saudi Arabia is perhaps the most venal of all . Fortunately this artificial chimera will in time and when the oil runs out sink back into the desert sands from whence it came.

 

Most of the countries you

Most of the countries you mentioned have had America prop up dictators within them...Iraq is an example of this. They supported Saddam to kill the Muslims, then when he fell out of favour, they intervened directly and killed them.

 

Those pesky Zionists!

They get everywhere, and they're responsible for everything!

 

Yea even here, it seems...

Yea even here, it seems... now kindly go to another site and stop trying to divert this thread.

 

No one is trying to divert the thread

Seen this below?

The Saudi's would be
Submitted by Fist of fury on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 9:42am.
The Saudi's would be overthrown in one day by their own people if the Americans (and we all know who runs that country) did not prop them up.

The Saudi regime in not popular, and only survives because America wants to rob the Muslims world of oil on the cheap.

So in short it has everything to do with America and the Zionists.

 

You are, so if you havent got

You are, so if you havent got anything to contribute to this thread apart from smart arse comments, go back to the Zionist website where you came from rather than spamming here.

 

No Money for Bread, but Plenty for Bullets

Another bloody disaster - once again there is plenty of money for bullets and guns, but no money for bread and book.

Even if it were all the fault of the Zionazi Imperialist Colonial Fascist Islamophobic Jewhadists, how come these people are so stupid as to fall for the same worn out Zionazi tricks?
Oh of course the Zionists have the power of Shaytan and all the Djinn!
Scores of women and children are being killed in Saada, yet where are HRW? There are hundeds of fleeing refugees. Where is Judge Goldstein/berg/ wasser? Where are you people demanding that the UN stop this?
The region does not need one more bullet or gun or rocket or any weapon of war. It does not the Saudis or Iranians or anyone playing their vile games with peoples lives. It needs bread and medicine and books and schools and computers etc etc.

 

Muslims are targeted for culling

Sectarianism and other mad mullah bringing death, ignorance and destruction will always be welcomed by the enemies and they will do nothing except exacerbate it.

Some in the west to advocate for nuke technology in ME purely for the reasons that its highly likely they will use against each other than their foreign enemies.

 

good idea give the first one

good idea give the first one to Iran..I wonder which country they would nuke first.....hmmmmm

 

The troubles in Yemen are

The troubles in Yemen are domestic, revolving around attempts by a single clan to extend its power on the basis of a claim to be restoring the old rule of the Zayidi Imams in Yemen. Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are seizing this issue to attempt to extend their influence in Yemen.

There is no evidence that the Saudi regime is at the point of collapse, nor that events in Yemen are signal of a wider malaise in the Arab world. In Yemen, if the rebels have their way, it would lead to the restoration of the prior state arrangements in that country.

Each incidence of unrest, turmoil and civil disorder has to be taken on a case by case basis. It is not useful to assume some giant, overarching conspiracy behind these events - especially on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever and a clearly profound ignorance of the history of the region (as evinced by many on this thread). The last thing the Arab needs is more outsiders sticking their oar into the already turbulent waters.

 

Anonymous Coward 4:13p.m.

This worked so well in Iran, didn't it?

Shan - so it is not the muslims who shoot the guns that are wrong, It is Obama who gets the big whip out and makes them do it, does he? You can't play the blame game forever - someday you will have to face up to the reality that there will be noone left to blame and the muslims will still be at each others throats. This has been going on since Aisha went to war against Ali!

Why are muslims so ready to take up arms against each other - we constantly read about Islam claiming that the killing of woman and children is forbidden however what Islam claims and what Islam practises seem to be two different things. The bombing and strafing of women and children in the refugee camps is abhorrent -
unfortunately these horrors can't be hidden in todays world.

Why on earth muslims think that all their problems are because of Zionists really doesn't answer the question of why muslims are once again fighting muslims in their own country.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

 

Its called divide and rule,

Its called divide and rule, when western nations were in occupation of nations in the middle east and asia ,they left behind their stooges in power. to this day it is the same elite of stooges who run these nations.
I think you know very well the motto of zionist jews through deceit we shall wage war.
Btw what about them goyims in palestine, still cannot bring yourself to admit they are human beings, they feel pain and hurt.
No occupation of palestine,no refugees,no refugees no problem,the core issue in th middle east is the zionist terrorist occupation of palestine.

 

come on, take some

come on, take some responsibilty! You are 1.5 billion people, yet a mere 12 million Jews are keeping you under their thumb.

Maybe there's something in Islam that turns muslims into helpless, pathetic creatures?

 

Dont worry we're not worried! Its about faith and belief!

You think this situation is going to remain forever? The military garrison outpost that is Israel has only been in existance since 1948! The crusader kindoms lasted for nearly a hundred years before they were sent packing simply because the Muslims never forgot Jerusalem and Palestine. It is the same situation now the Muslims will never forget and i predict Israel will fall specifically because as you mention there are 1.5 billion Muslims who dream of this day. Its not a question of if but when. Allah prefers the believer to have patience and faith and the believers will be rewarded inshallah. Our time will come again its no big deal. Just like a small band of arab tirbesmen came out of the desert and conqured a vast swathe of the earth from the Roman empire to the left to the Persian empire on the right (if you want to talk numbers)

 

stop dreaming and start doing

stop dreaming and start doing something about it

 

We are first by destroying

We are first by destroying your lies of god gave us the land, palestine was a wasteland.
We are eternal victims, we showing the people at large you are not the eternal victms but have been the criminals oppressing the palestinians for the last 60 years.
The battle is being lost by the racist zionists and soon the people of palestine shall be free,as you rightly said nearly 2 billion people cannot be subdued forever,as i said earleir israel is the cats paw and the cat is america and her allies,so do not big yourself up with 12 million jews.

 

As Long as American foreign

As Long as American foreign policy is dictated by Zionists...we can only expect the flames of revolution to spread. No injustice will remain un opposed for ever.

 

Of course! How silly of

Of course! How silly of us!

It's the World Jewish Conspiracy!

You really are a tedious, predictable fuckwit, Fist of Fury.

 

How predictable ..anyone who

How predictable ..anyone who disagrees with you is anti-Semitic...yawn,,,,

 

well it makes up for the fact

well it makes up for the fact that anyone who disagrees with you is a zionist.

 

Shut up Zionist

Shut up Zionist

 

Looks like the Zionist is

Looks like the Zionist is still only using two weapons..Aggressive behaviour and smear...
Yep he is his mothers son.

 

Shan - there is a lot more to it than Palestine

@Shan -" The core problem in the M.E. is the I/P conflict."

This is a very shallow understanding of the M.E. Issue

Much as you try and bring every muslim problem back to the I/P conflict in order to detract from the major problems in the M.E. countries it is an excuse that doesn't work.

If Israel and Palestine disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, would the Sudanese stop killing the Darfurians, would Egypt stop killing the Christian Copts, would Iran stop seeking a nuclear bomb to destroy Saudi with (now that Israel has gone) , would the Lebanon become Christian again, would Iran stop mutilating it's protestors and hanging its gays,would Saudi let other religions practise in their country or would the civil war in Yemen stop?

Would all the refugees from Darfur and the Yemen also disappear overnight if the I/P problem was solved? I doubt it very much.

And it was Mohammed PBUH who said "war is deceit" as far as I know it is not a Zionist mantra.

And don't forget Irans intentions of a Shia crescent in the M.E. - do you really think there will ever be peace when M.E. muslims are still involved in sectarian strife - the west has nothing to do with Islamic internicene differences. Over seventy different sects all of whom think they are the only true believers and will fight to the death to prove it - the west got over that sort of stuff long ago.

But hey - if we solve the I/P problem all will be fine and dandy! Somehow, I don't think so. Would be nice though.

 

If palestine was a free today

If palestine was a free today within a decade the middle east would be well on its way to freedom and development.
There are no sudanese killing darfurians, outside powers like america and her allies have trained and financed terorists to attack sudanese people to make sure china does not get the lions share of sudans resources.
there are disputes between grazers and farmers allover africa, if evil foreign nations did the same as they have done in sudan then there would be wars all over africa, i am sure you know these terorrists have offices in israel.
The terroists have gvien the game away by saying they want chinese contracts cancelled, if there was no israel then the cat would not have its paw in the middle east.
Iran has no wisht to take over saudi or any other nation, they have problems with arab vassals states,who support and finance wars against fellow muslims.
War is fought by deceit when it is declared, as no one will tell you what they aim to do, but the motto of by deceit we shall wage war means, they do not declare war but using deceit make others fight each other.
If the people of lebanon wish to be christians then lebanon will, until then it will be what the people want it to be,so in reality israel is the core issue, until palestine is not free there will be no peace in the world.

 

here, have another dream for

here, have another dream for that pipe

 

Brilliant response Brother!

Brilliant response Brother! May Allah reward you!

 

Beating my tiny fists

Sounds like fists of fury has never been south of Bradford let alone the Middle East! What a load of blame and bunkham.. Every one else's fault and a very narrow view of history. Muslims will go on slaughtering each other in vastly greater numbers than others doing it to them. The west is rightly frightened of the self appointed despots of the Muslim world - it has taken us centuries to throw out our clerics and bishops of hate - burning, torturing, child molesters (still some way to go!) and until the Muslim world throws out their evil clerics, calls their phony "scholars" to account and start to value individual Muslims as individuals - nurturing them, educating them (not just indoctrinating them), valuing them (and hopefully other human beings too. Abandoning their racist terminology like "Kaffir" and killing those who disagree about religious semantics.

Fists of Fury, or anyone else, tell me why killing another Muslim who decides (openly) that he no longer believes in Islam is right or even half civilised in the modern world I beg you!

Or why ordinary people - Muslims, Jews, Christians or Apostates should not be free to decide who speaks for them (democracy) or free to enjoy their private family lives without threats from neighbours who don't like their faith, the colour of their skin, what they eat or what they wear on their heads.

I was a Muslim once - I had to renounce the intrinsic hate and violence of my childhood indoctrination (maybe not the same for every Muslim) and grew to understand that not all Jews were evil, not all Americans want to crush the Ummah, Hindu's are not degenerates and that all life has value.

The Ottomans and Attaturk understood Islam... and removed it from their political world. They too had an empire that managed to unite and provide for all their subjects Muslim, Jew and Christian and it thrived for many centuries. Freedom of faith, quite a lot of freedom of speech, and a remarkable standard of living for ordinary people. Not so good for the Iman or the Mullahs!

So maybe there is something in this secularism, maybe Universal Human rights (which the degenerate Muslim states seem to want to re-write so badly) has something in it.

So FoF - grow up, get married, have children and get on with all your neighbours. Or go to Gaza (I'm sure you have never been there) and see how ordinary people are used as pawns. If you have a single grain of humanity - you will, after seeing the reality of the world, stop spouting this awful angry adolescent rubbish and do something useful!

 

Fist of Fury is, I believe,

Fist of Fury is, I believe, one of the moderators from the MPAC forum... and no, he hasn't ever been south of Bradford.

 

Looks like the Muslim haters

Looks like the Muslim haters are trying to blame Muslims again. Will these Zionist racists ever learn to stop hating?

 

You were once as Muslim as

You were once as Muslim as Ariel Sharon... i think that should give you a clue as to what I believe you are ;)

sorry but you do have Zionist written all over the boring cut and paste job from your Muslim hate manual does not wash.

 

Things were so much better in

Things were so much better in Yemen when half the country was the Marxist-Leninist state of South Yemen.

Death to religion.

 

Yea so was Russia - Stalin

Yea so was Russia - Stalin did a great job!

 

Tell that to Israel..then I

Tell that to Israel..then I will take you seriously.

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