The Curse of Being a "Moderate Muslim"

Recently, I’ve been reading a book by Stephen Poole entitled ‘Unspeak’ which explains just how powerful words can be in shaping the minds of an entire society.
And it was whilst reading this book that I came across an old article by Daniel Pipes about ‘moderate Muslims’.
Now, the fact is that I used to believe the tripe that we need Muslims to be “moderate” but the more and more I thought about it, it became clear just how detrimental this term is.
By saying that you are a ‘moderate Muslim’ you are basically saying that you moderately follow the tenets of Islam.
The problem with this is, is that you are basically admitting (and thus, giving into the narrative that is spouted by Islamophobes) that there is something so inherently unmoderate in Islam that you need to exercise caution when it comes to being a Muslim.
The effect it has on the Muslim mind is so powerful, because the subtext is basically saying: “your religion is extreme, so you need to be moderate”.
Not only that, but it causes rifts between Muslims because the more that a Muslim gives into this narrative, the more likely they are to be an apologetic and end up hating their own people. They will begin to think “oh, it’s because of those extremist Muslims that us moderates have to suffer”.
What they don’t understand – and the fault of this lies squarely at the feet of our Muslim institutions and groups as they have the ability to counter such poisonous thoughts that are pushed into the Muslim mind – is that they begin to hate not only their people, but their faith as well.
When they begin to believe that there is something about Islam that means you must practice moderation (because otherwise you are at risk of becoming an extremist) is that they have, in essence, admitted that there is something wrong with Islam.
The power of the narrative that makes Muslims want to be seen as “moderates” is that it destroys their understanding of their faith and makes them think that Islam creates so many “evil” Muslims who take part in extremist acts using the faith’s name. It liquidates the chance of any Muslim seeing through the lies of this hate-filled narrative without having to lift a finger.
However, to those of us who do know and understand the game that is being played, know that it is not true that there is something inherently violent about Islam. No, the only thing about Islam that is inherent is that it is just.
But due to a lethargy of our Muslim institutions (who enjoy holding talks on menial aspects* of Islam) no Muslim group in UK is out there teaching Muslims a counter-propaganda narrative that Islam is not a violent religion, and that reaction of Muslims around the world is not because they have had years of hate from the Qur’an and the Muslim community. Rather, it is a reaction that is born out of anger and anguish due to the unethical foreign policy of so many Western countries.
But the curse of wanted to be a moderate goes even further. The result of this is that yonug Muslims become confused and hateful of Islam. They have no answers to, and do not know the countrer-propaganda narrative to the hate that is spewed about Muslims.
So, not only do you have the wider non-Muslim community hating Muslim, and not only do you have Muslims being taught to subliminally hate themselves, but you also have a new generation of Muslims who in their heart do not believe in Islam. Very few of the younger generation will explicitly say that they are no longer Muslim, as some will find it to be culturally unacceptable and will find it hard to answer to their parents, but they will only have Muslim names and nothing more about them will be Muslim. And that is how one wipes out an entire generation.
What is the solution then?
The solution is two-fold. Firstly, as individuals we need to educate ourselves and Muslims around us about the counter-propaganda narrative – and there is no other better place to learn this than MPACUK. Every study circle we are tackling such issues and relentlessly trying to wake up other Muslims, the more Muslims that are involved then the greater position we are all in to save our community from hating itself.
Secondly, hold local and national Muslim institutions to account to not countering this narrative. Remember, if we aren’t holding them to account then they will continue being inactive and let this propaganda narrative poison the mind of Muslims.
With all this hate being spread about Muslims and our people being forced to accept a narrative that makes us hates our community and our religion, you will never hear MPACUK say that we are moderates. We are Muslims and proud of it.
And if you think Muslims need to be moderates, then you're the one with the extremism problem, not us.
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"When they begin to believe
Submitted by The Real BB on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 12:07am."When they begin to believe that there is something about Islam that means you must practice moderation (because otherwise you are at risk of becoming an extremist) is that they have, in essence, admitted that there is something wrong with Islam."
Brilliantly worded, I couldn't have put it better myself. Finally the truth has been admitted by Mpac.
double BB you are doubly a
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 5:42pm.double BB you are doubly a buffoon....cant believe you carry on posting on this site. You could sometimes admit the truth you know....it might set you free...from ignorance...
Eh?
Submitted by antonymous bullward on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 12:18am.So you are either exreme or not a proper Muslim? That's one hell of a message to give. Isn't it the same one tha the BNP is trying to push?
"and there is no other better place to learn this than MPACUK.". Yeah but shouldn't you go to school before you teach others?
You are either a Muslim or
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 5:39pm.You are either a Muslim or you aint,,,,what does 'moderate' mean.....? Its just a way of propogandists dictating Islam for their own purposes.
Islam and justice
Submitted by anonymous on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 12:24am."The only thing that is inherent about Islam is that it is just" says the writer. Well, you could have fooled me: different laws for men and women; different laws for Muslims and Jews; different laws for Muslims and Christians; different laws for Muslims and Sikhs; different laws for Muslims and Hindhus; different laws for Muslims and Buddhists; different laws for Muslims and Bahais; different laws for heterosexuals and homosexuals. The only thing about Islam is that it is inherently unjust. Thanks for reminding us about Islam's false sense of justice.
What a retard....you dont
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 5:37pm.What a retard....you dont even know what justice means. Then what else can you expect from a hate mongering Islamophobe.
Moderate Or Extreme?
Submitted by CI on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 1:48am.So there it is. The confession by MPACUK that it is extremist. Praise God that Christians who believe in Biblical Christianity do not have to make an argument that it is moderate or extreme. Because it is neither, just the truth of God. If that be extreme, so be it. Of course anybody who calls Biblical Christianity extreme would be calling God an extremist, because He gave it to mankind. So any takers?
sorry but my view (and
Submitted by tj on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 3:09pm.sorry but my view (and experience) of Christianity has been one that shows same range of interpretation and practice. I'd say that evangelicals could be seen as 'extreme' and your average anglican somewhat 'moderate'?
CI how can we take something
Submitted by Shaan on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 4:34pm.CI how can we take something we know nothing about, you have been asked several times to tell us what is biblical and pure christianity but have failed to answer.
this goes to show you either know nothing about what you are advertising or you are ashamed to tell us what it is.
you have been asked several
Submitted by Dmoloney on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 6:41pm.you have been asked several times to tell us what is biblical and pure christianity but have failed to answer.
Just as youve failed to answer any questions put to you, such where is your evidence that bin laden worked with the cia under the alias of tim osman or who you supported in the soviet-afghan war, the soviets and their allies or the mujahadeen
First of all answer the
Submitted by Shaan on Wed, 23/12/2009 - 10:44am.First of all answer the simple question put to you, yes or no.
when you advertise something then you must be able to state the bare minimums of what you are advertising.
Shan, ducking and diving
Submitted by Dmoloney on Wed, 23/12/2009 - 1:27pm.Shan, ducking and diving again, ive always answered your questions no matter how silly they were, whereas you have failed to answer any of yours as you have done yet again, it was last october when you made the tim osman claim, and in all that time you have failed to back it up
Yes or No the questions is
Submitted by Shaan on Wed, 23/12/2009 - 3:20pm.Yes or No the questions is simple. in response to my comment you said od not embarass yourself by making the comment that tim osman was a c.i.a asset ,so i asked you to embarass me by proving tim osman was not a c.i.a. assett, to date nothing.
To date I have provided
Submitted by Dmoloney on Thu, 24/12/2009 - 9:56pm.To date I have provided evidence(in October and again in late November) even though it was not required, you on the other were required to provide evidence to back up your claim but you have not done this even once, a sure sign that your claim is faulty, also I see that you can’t spell embarrass
Shan surely even you are not so deluded as to think that you can get away with avoiding questions and then rather cheekily start accusing others of doing so, I’ve lost count of the amount of times that I’ve asked you questions but you ignore them again and again, I asked you for evidence for your tim osman claim yet for more than two months you have failed to provide any, also you have not clarified as to who you supported in the soviet-afghan war.
Yes or no its a very simple
Submitted by Shaan on Sat, 26/12/2009 - 1:37pm.Yes or no its a very simple question, provide evidence tim osman was not a c.i.a assett, you talked about me embarrassing myself so go ahead embarass me by providing the evidence.
as for the soviets i was not of the age were i could form a opinion or that it would have been my prime concern.
I see that yet again you are
Submitted by Dmoloney on Sun, 27/12/2009 - 2:41pm.I see that yet again you are failing to provide evidence(unlike myself) which is essential for your arguement to work, lets cut to the chase shan, you made this claim thinking you would not have to back it up, now that it is time to back it up you realise that their is no credable evidence for it, but because your mind cant accept the fact that you are grossly wrong you are trying to delude yourself into thinking that it is not up to you to back up your claims, this as most intelligent people would agree is nonsense, as i stated before if i made the claim that khameinei cross-dresses on the weekends this would not be considered a fact unless i provided credable evidence to back it up, in no way is it up to others to provide evidence to disprove it, in fact the fact that their is no evidence is proof enough that the claim is false.
"as for the soviets i was not of the age were i could form a opinion or that it would have been my prime concern."
Shan this is a rather pathetic response, youve constanly formed and stated strong opinions and concerns about issues and actions that took place during and well before the eighties, your obviously avoiding the question, and since i have seen you often criticise the mujahadeen yet have never seen you criticise the soviets i and others can find it pretty easy to guess where your sympathies lie
Cool picture
Submitted by Anonymous Coward (I am indeed) on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 3:06pm.Cool picture
What a brilliant article
Submitted by CC on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 5:44pm.What a brilliant article mpacuk. It really exposes how the term 'moderate muslims' is being used as a propoganda tool against Islam and Muslims are too thick to realise it.
Look how those "Moderates" behave at their party
Submitted by CoFee on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 5:52pm.http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/12/22/exclusive-video-footage-of-the-mc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Submitted by Mashallah on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 6:16pm.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISQZJeqqmeY
Labels
Submitted by Anonymouse Co-ward on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 6:33pm.Muslims will happily debate to the bitter end about labels while paying for their western armies and israeli made pc and western run internet.
Donkey and carrot comes to mind. All talk and debate while clocking up the sins at a rate.
Biblical Christianity
Submitted by CI on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 8:02pm.Shaan,
And several times I told you to look on the internet, keyword Biblical Christianity to see what it is we beleive in. Biblical Christianity is belief in Jesus as God who came as flesh to redeem man from sin (John 1), Biblical Christianity is also the belief that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and the final authority on matters of faith, Biblical Christianity is the belief that man is by nature sinful and that we cannot save ourselves with just good works. This is the short answer. For more just look up Biblical Christianity on the net.
Five Solas
Submitted by CI on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 8:23pm.Biblical Christianity can be described by the five solas, whose principles are found in the Bible. First there is Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone), Then there is Sola Fide (Faith alone), next Sola Gratia (Grace alone), it is followed by Sola Christus ( Christ alone), and finally Sola Deo Gloria (Glory to God alone).
I'm an Islamist, right...
Submitted by Yakoub Islam on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 10:59pm.GIven the Oxford Dictionary of Islam (which in my view has more authority than the likes of Sir Edward Hussain), defines Islamism as a political perspective whereby Muslims seek to influence society to adopt Islamic values, I'm happy to call myself an Islamist. I'd like to see gambling re-marginalised and out of seaside resorts, people drinking far less (especially young people), and a reaffirmation of civil rights whereby British people are viewed as citizens rather than subjects allowed to vote twice a decade. Plus, I wouldn't mind seeing more in the way of economic justice, with child poverty abolished as New Labour promised in 1997.
Funny thing is, quite a few non-Muslims wouldn't mind that kind of change, either.
i am a non Muslim and I do not want that kind of change
Submitted by Garbage Detector on Tue, 22/12/2009 - 11:21pm.i want 1000 percent freedom and 1000 percent freedom of expresssion, and I want it 1000 percent of the time.
Islam denies me that right to freedom.
Moderate Islam
Submitted by Moderate on Thu, 24/12/2009 - 1:26pm.This article only makes any sense if you assume that there is only one true path to follow in Islam. So if you do not follow that true path, then you are not a proper Muslim.
This ignores Muslim history where there have been a wide variety of interpretations of what it means to be a Muslim. This goes right back to the early years of Islam where the faithful followed different paths of the Sunni, Shia and Kharijite.
There are now dozens if not hundreds of schools and branches of Islam. Some of them are more 'moderate' in terms of how they deal with relations with non-Muslims or issues like freedom and democracy than others.
Compare two leading modern Muslims - Osama Bin-Laden and Tariq Ramadan. Is it not reasonable to say that the first is more extreme and the second is more moderate? So is Tariq Ramadan not then a proper Muslim?
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Well done MPAC
Submitted by diplomat on Mon, 28/12/2009 - 8:16pm.I might agree and disagree with MPAC occasionally but I think i see truth when i read above article many will never understand because above all fear can sometimes lead to uncanny mindset. niether will muslims accept us when we try to tell them what is going on. CONTROL and the fear of control can make people start using terms like "moderate" so it seems like we are begining to unravel propaganda which can make any human being think layman or academic to the extent where we become nothing but brainwashed lab rats I sincerely hope muslims wake up sooner than later, please do not extenuate the seriousness