The Zionist Terror Training Manual
A US media advocacy group which calls itself 'The Israel Project' has produced a training manual to help the worldwide Zionist movement win the propaganda war, keep their ill-gotten territorial gains and persuade international audiences to accept that their crimes are necessary and conform to ’shared values’ between Israel and the civilised West.
In the ongoing 'Zionist Hasbara Campaign' This manual teaches how to justify the slaughter, the ethnic cleansing, the land-grabbing, the cruelty and the blatant disregard for international law and UN resolutions, and make it all smell sweeter with a liberal squirt of the aerosol of persuasive language.
It is designed to hoodwink us ignorant and gullible Europeans and Americans into believing that we actually share values with the racist regime in Israel and that its abominable behaviour is therefore deserving of our support.
The potential for a public relations massacre is unfolding before our very eyes.
Muslim organisations have neglected the impact of public relations for far too long. Effective and serious communications have neglected to correct Israeli distortion.
We must be very happy it seems, for Israel’s one-sided definitions to prevail, which of course makes the task for Israel so much easier. This latest propaganda offensive is potentially the ‘coup de grace’ to finish off the tormented Palestinians.
As we reported earlier this week, the manual will no doubt serve as a communications primer for the army of cyber-scribblers that Israel’s Ministry of Dirty Tricks is recruiting to spread Zionism’s poison across the internet.
This quote at the beginning of the manual sets the tone:
“Remember, it’s not what you say that counts. It’s what people hear.”
How many massacres like the ones perpetrated at Sabra & Shatilla does it take before Muslims heed the warnings that MPACUK have been giving nigh on the last ten years?
The manual is freely available to view here:
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What a dirty bunch of baby
Submitted by Anonymous Muslim on Sat, 19/09/2009 - 4:55pm.What a dirty bunch of baby killers.
When evil deeds have to be
Submitted by shimon on Sat, 19/09/2009 - 10:54pm.When evil deeds have to be covered up then what better way than the language of evil.
Do The Maths
Submitted by Taz on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 7:21am.Zionism = Racism
Zionists = Scum
your maths is weak
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:45am.you are no different from someone from the BNP saying:
Islam = terrorism
muslims = scum
Stop being so bigoted.
and you are no different to a
Submitted by Muadib on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 8:55pm.and you are no different to a homosexual zionist.
Not all zionists are bad,
Submitted by Gay man on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 11:37am.Not all zionists are bad, what about the ones who are looking for a peaceful solution?
You can't lump all zionists together. It's the same as lumping all muslims together and calling them terrorists based on the actions of a minority.
Exposing Zionists For What They Are
Submitted by Taz on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 4:15pm.Zionist don't want peace they want the Palestinains out of Palestine.
two types
Submitted by Gay man on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 4:54pm.There are two types of zionist, the first that want all the palestinians out and the second that wants a two state solution and is against their own government.
Lets not lump them all together. We hate it when people do that to us.
No Exceptions
Submitted by Taz on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 8:46pm.Saying there are good Zionists is like saying there were good Nazis.
schindler? What you are
Submitted by Gay man on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 8:53pm.schindler?
What you are saying is no different from islamophobes that say 'all muslims are terrorists'
That kind of thinking gets us precisely nowhere.
Oscar Schindler wasn't a
Submitted by Taz on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:57am.Oscar Schindler wasn't a Nazi. He didn't believe in Nazism that's why he acted against it.
Are you saying that the so called "good Zionists" are just pretending to be Zionists but don't really believe in Zionism? It's always fascinating watching someone trying to defend the indefensible.
life isn't black or white
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:43am.zionism = a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine
This is a fait accompli.
Israelis and Palestinians must be pragmatic about a solution. The two state is the only only that could ever have a chance of working. Many Muslims support this as well as many zionists.
Lumping either Muslims or Zionists together and calling them terrorists or Nazis is just lazy and bigoted thinking.
I hate extremist Zionists just as I hate extremist muslims, or extremist Christians or extremist communists or extremist republicans.
stop with the stereotyping - life isn't black or white - it is a continuum of greys.
loser. ZIONISM IS RACISM
Submitted by Muadib on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 8:54pm.loser.
ZIONISM IS RACISM
this is a revelation (not the
Submitted by Shimon on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 7:01pm.this is a revelation (not the divine type of course) - zionists looking for peace. Let's be clear, there are two types of zionists. The first type who love to kill/muder/bomb/illegally occupy and the second type who love trying to cover up deeds of the first group.concievably there could be a third group.. Those in denial.
You're logic is no different
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 12:54pm.Your logic is no different from the Islamophobes who might say something like:
'there are two types of muslims. The first type who love to blow themselves and others up and the second type who love trying to cover up deeds of the first group.'
Do you see the problems arising from such black and white logic?
I think if you did a bit of research, you might discover that there are zionists who want a two state solution. They are also highly critical of their government's behaviour.
All Zionists Are Bad
Submitted by Taz on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 9:58pm.Since they all train in terror.
All ... Are Bad
Submitted by Gay man on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 11:35pm.'All Muslims Are Bad since they all train in terror.'
SEE HOW SILLY THIS GAME IS????
You see only in black and white, just like islamophobes who put all muslims into one category, you do the same with all zionists.
There are evil zionists, there are good zionists
There are evil muslims, there are good muslims
The game is fair, Taz's
Submitted by Saleem on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:23pm.The game is fair, Taz's comment was true and can be proven. Your copy-and-paste statement is false and cannot be proven true. Remember, zionists can also be Islamophobes, the foremost Connaisseurs in mislabeling people for their own zionist ends.
Dezionization
Submitted by Muhammad on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 7:21pm.There are clear distinctions made in the Glorious Quran between devout jews and zionists. The worst enemy of the prophetic jewish faith is the nationalist, racist and colonialist logic of tribal zionism, born of the nationalism, racism and colonialism of 19th century Europe. This logic inspired all the colonialisms of the West and all its wars of one nationalism against another. There is no future or security for the zionist state and no peace in the Middle East unless the zionist state becomes "dezionized" and returns to the faith of Abraham, which is the spiritual, fraternal and common heritage of the three revealed religions: Islam, Judaism and Christianity.
"You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, 'We are Christian.' This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant" (The Glorious Quran - 5:82).
"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth." (The Glorious Quran - 7:159).
"We broke them (jews) up into sections on this earth. There are among them some that are the righteous, and some that are the opposite. We have tried them with both prosperity and adversity: in order that they might turn (to Us)... As to those who hold fast by the Book and establish regular Prayer, never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." (The Glorious Quran - 7:168-170).
The Quran does not define for a Jew what Judaism is
Submitted by Q on Sun, 20/09/2009 - 9:50pm.Sadly for you and your interpretation of the situation the Jews, regardless of whether they are Zionists or "Devout Jews", do not recognise the validity of the Quran. If they did they would be Muslims.
To understand the Jews you must read the texts that they believe in. Just because Christians and Muslims believe that God-Allah- Yahweh abrogated his covenant with the Jews and superceded the Torah with the New Testament or the Quran, does not mean that Jews of any variant believe this. In fact the devout Jews believe that the Torah and Talmud remain valid expressions of divine will.
Both Muslims and Christians arrogantly believe that their interpretations and understandings of Judaism reflect what Jews believe. One only has to live alongside orthodox Jews to learn that Judaism has concepts which are alien to both Islam and Christianity. Jews for instance do not believe that they are in possession of the exclusive expression of divine will, nor that they are assured of priority in divine judgement. It is their belief that compliance with Noahide law is the fundamental divine requirement of all mankind which affords anyone access to heaven. This concept is strange to the ears of Muslims and Christians, and completely alien as both believe that theirs is the final and exclusive expression of divine intent. Some Jewish ideas have more in common with Buddhism than either Islam or Christianity.
Humility is the characteristic of the pious person, and in this case we should be humble enough to allow the Jews to define what Judaism is.
Corruption
Submitted by Yusuf on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 2:57am.The Torah mentioned in the Glorious Qur'an doesn't exist anymore. Both Old Testament and Talmud are laced with man-made interpolations, contradictions and inconsistencies, based on jewish racism - which could not have been revealed to prophet Moses (as).
The followers of 'Injeel', mentioned in Holy Qur'an were 'Nasara (Nazarene)', who were ethnically cleansed by the Church after it cannonized the New Testament in 325 CE. Again todays many different versions of the Bible are also corrupted.
The Glorious Quran, on the other hand, exists in its originality since day one via memorisation. One of the two original copies 'finalized' during the third Khalifah Usman (as) still can be seen in Ankara Museum in Turkey.
I think we've seen enough of judaism in the zionist state to know what it's all about, the world has been more than humble to allow them to define what terrorism is so they've had more than their fair share.
Can we substantiate this??
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:53am.I would respectfully suggest that the Quran is not a source of reliable information about Judaism or Jews. This claim that the Torah and Talmud have been corrupted has never been substantiated in any way as far as I know. The talmud is a collection of rabbinic interpretations which often conflict with each other, but have been assembled to enable Jews to interpret how to apply their laws.
It is absolutely correct as any knowledgeable inhabitant of Palestine knows that Judaism is a reformed version of the original Mosaic faith. To appreciate perhaps what the original Hebrews believed we should look to the Samaritans who reject the reforms of the post-Exile period.
It is my understanding also that the Nasara (Nozrim) were in practice a sub-sect of Judaism that centred around the Gallillee and were destroyed by the Romans. Again so little is known about them that much is pure speculation. It is likely however that they were very much like present day Hasidim (and did in fact refer to themselves as such) and those survivors largely blended back into the general Jewish community.
I think that it is very dangerous to alight upon alleged revisions of the texts of other faiths if we are not willing to subject the Quran to the same rigour. Note how offended we are when a kaffir dares to suggest that some element of the Quran is questionable.
Dude, stick with the topic!
Submitted by Saleem on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:16pm.Dude, stick with the topic!
The Topic?
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 9:41pm.The nature of the topic leads to questioning / challengingperceptions. The greatest weakness we face in challenging Zionism is our general ignorance of Zionists, Jews and Judaism. Any competent general knows that intelligence is the key to winning the battle. Thus we must understand the enemy to be able to predcit the he will behave. It is not enough to confine ourselves to our own sectarian myths and prejudices. That we have done this over the decades has brought us to this parlous state. We still talk and behave like overweening imperial feudalists, when actually we are painfully weak.
zionists don't have a right
Submitted by Muadib on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 8:51pm.zionists don't have a right to question anything, after the crimes that they have commited!
Who defines this?
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:11am.Quote - "returns to the faith of Abraham, which is the spiritual, fraternal and common heritage of the three revealed religions: Islam, Judaism and Christianity"
Just which faith defines what Abrahamic faith is? May I respectfully point out that Jews & Christians do not agree with the Islamic version of the story of Abraham. Only one version can be right, so who are you expecting to accept that their cversion is wrong?
Zionism by definition is Racist
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 2:21am.Gay Man - this is what we're saying; the two-state solution is just another zionist myth given the ever increasing jewish settlement expansion swallowing up more and more Palestinian Land with no signs of mitigation. Moreover, the Palestinians will never recognize the zionist state, so the two-state solution actually solves nothing.
The zionist state actually approves Palestinian Autonomy but not in "Statehood" form. At least, not until a commitment to recognising the zionist states' own statehood could be squeezed from the Palestinian negotiators. You see, Statehood carries with it all kinds of international rights. For instance, a fledgeling Palestinian state might feel inclined to cut a deal with Palestinian Hamas sponsors, Iran. A deal that would see Iran’s Revolutionary Guards massing on the zionist states' border, and barely needing a missile delivery system.
The fact of the matter is that all zionists share the same racist, fascist ideology, whether territorialist or expansionist. zionism is a nationalist movement specifically for Jews, excluding all others, and attributing an inferior status to members of non-jewish groups with biology dictating immigration and citizenship, so by its very nature it is racist. All zionists thus trace back to this very nature. How can one claim that zionists wish for peace whilst they continue with ethnic cleansing, building apartheid walls and jewish settlement expansion? Is this what you call looking for a peaceful solution? Muslims, being by their very nature and definition peaceful loving people, rightfully support any devout jew that supports a peaceful solution, however zionists by their very nature and behaviour are terrorists, no matter what label of convenience they wish to hide behind, and can thus be comfortably categorised in the same sense.
The world is under no more of a moral or legal obligation to maintain zionism (in any way, shape or form) in the zionist state than it was to maintain apartheid in South Africa, The Palestinian people’s right to freedom and human rights override whatever rights the zionist state thinks it has to remain jewish. Period.
not all zionists are nazis
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:15am.again, you are falling into the trap of stereotyping people based on the actions of a portion of that group.
This is the same form of prejudice that muslims are exposed to, yet you adopt the same prejudices against another group.
Many muslims believe in a two state solution.
Good zionists want a two state solution.
Surely there is common ground between these two groups?
I agree that some zionists do behave like nazis, but please don't label every zionist as a nazi!
just listen to yourself
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:18am.'The fact of the matter is that all zionists share the same racist, fascist ideology, whether territorialist or expansionist'
now, replace zionists with muslims:
'The fact of the matter is that all muslims share the same racist, fascist ideology, whether territorialist or expansionist'
This is the kind of statement the BNP or EDL would make.
not all zionists are bad.
It doesn't work like that.
Submitted by mazin on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:56am.You cannot say "now, replace zionists with muslims".
It doesn't work that.
You can replace "jews" with "muslims", to try and make a point, but not "zionists".
One is a faith, the other is a political movement.
You CAN say,:
now, replace zionists with Sinn Fein
or
now, replace zionists with Nazis
But you can't say "now, replace zionists with muslims"
but Islam has a very strong
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 10:28am.but Islam has a very strong political component. Or would you dispute that?
Zionism is the political component of Judaism.
NO!
Submitted by mazin on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:28pm.You are making a very clear distinction between the political movement of Zionism and the religious faith of Judaism. The two groups are not mutually inclusive (or exclusive). Using your definition, you can be either of the two, both simultaneously or neither.
When you use the term Islam to refer to both a political movement and a religious faith, you are defining Muslims as being both part of a religion and a particular political movement that are mutually inclusive of each other. I.e., if you are a Muslim, you MUST belong to a specific political movement. Hamas do not represent ALL muslims, neither does Hizb al Tahrir or any other Muslim political organisation.
So, do not compare Islam (a faith) to Zionism (a political ideology).
When talking about the Jewish/Israeli/Zionist side of the Middle East, many supporters of the afore mentioned like to make clear distinctions between the faith/state/politics, however, when it comes to Muslims and Islam, we seem to be lumped in all together even though we have as many political views and religious factions as any other mainstream religion (if not more). Even when talking about the Irish example, you are very careful to distinguish between the Political Party of Sinn Fein and the armed wing of the same group, the IRA. It is a pity that you cannot make the same distinctions when talking about Islam.
Then again, I believe that is the whole point of postings such as yourself. To generalise Muslims and Islam, and not to make distinctions.
sinn fein is a good example,
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 10:30am.sinn fein is a good example, the good part of the IRA became a respected political party whilst the bad side fell by the wayside.
Iran’s Revolutionary Guards massing
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:05am.My dear friend, Even if a Palestinian State came into being tomorrow in accordance with 242 we would not see the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRG) massing on the borders of the Zonist state. The IRG are very good at killing unarmed Bahais and sending little boys to die in clouds of poison gas. The IRG is good at marching through the streets in "victory parades".
But as for fighting the Jews, dream on.
Also how will the IRG get to Palestine? Are the Jordanians and Iraqis going to allow them to simply cross their lands?
And what would the Zionists do? Well you can bet your bottom dollar that no sooner had the first IRG bullet been fired than the Zionists would fire their missiles into Ahmednejad's heartland. One thing the Jews do well is overkill and there would be no constraints (???) as existed in Gaza.
The IRG are chocolate box soldiers - a significant tendency to melt away when it gets hot. If they were so keen to get into battle why haven't they been sent to Syria to help the Syrians get the Golan back, and then force the Zionist to comly with 242?
How is Israel to be dismantled?
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 1:32pm.It is all well and good to state that the two state solution is not viable or even desirable, and that there is no moral obligation to maintain the Jewish state. However how is the Israeli state to be dismantled?
Option 1: War (Arab / Israeli). Well we've tried that and lost badly. And anyway we're broke and couldn't afford another major war.
Option 2. War (EU + other Armies / Israel) It is possible that the combined EU armies with their superior equipment could invade Israel, defeat the IDF and take over Israel prior to handing it over to the Palestinians. Based on invasion force requiring 3:1 superiority that would require about 600,000 combat troops to be deployed within first few days of battle to take on Israels 200,000 combat ready reservists. The 600,000 would also need around 1,800,000 support troops, that's typical ratio for NATO. But are the EU countries ever likely to be willing to sacrifice so many of their soldiers for this enterprise. (1944 D-Day 10,000 casualities with 2,500 deaths on Allied side on first day- good indicator) To be able to deploy so many front-line troops would probably require the reintroduction of national service. The potential losses would be enormous. Complexity over evacuating Jews to ???
Option 3. Apply sanctions against Israel. Might have a chance if we can get the entire international community to agree and comply. They would need to accept the price that they would have to pay on behalf of the Palestinians and accept that. (Also Israeli may react violently claiming that sanctions are war by another name and seek to destroy / intercept trade infrastructure in Eastern Med & Hejaz. Once Israel heading for collapse no reason for Zionists not to launch attacks against ME oil fields and urban centres.) Complexity over evacuating Jews to ???
Option 4. Persuade Jews via overwhelming argument that they should pack up and leave. Bit of a non-starter - hasn't worked yet.
Option 5. With international agreement launch a major NBC strike on Israel eradicating all mammal life, thus clearing the land of Zionists (& collaborators) for the returning Palestinians. Not likely methinks.
With the exception of Option 5 none of the above addresses what we will do with the 7 million Israelis (Jews & Collaborators). Neither does it address the question of Israeli assets? If the Jews are driven out wont they seek to take with them what they can carry and destroy everything else. Do Israel state assets get transfered to the PNA?
Does anyone else have any better ideas about how the Zionist fascist colonialist imperialist murdering raping sodomising criminal illegal teritorial entity can be eradicated?
two state is the only logical
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 3:09pm.two state is the only logical way forward. Israel exists whether we like it or not. Whether it is legal or illegal.
Israel is more powerful than the entire muslim world (thanks to help from the west). Wars do not work against Israel (the arabs know this well)
The only option is to engage with the peaceful zionists and form two states.
Or we could just continue the way things are now for the next hundred years.
What makes you think that the
Submitted by Ibrahim on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 5:31pm.What makes you think that the zionist state will last that long?
The Muslims will not need to destroy the zionist state. It will be forced to destroy itself via the Samson Option.
The only peaceful zionists are dead zionists.
The Samson Option
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 7:29pm.Indeed the Samson Option or Masada Complex would result in the obliteration of the Zionist state and satisfy many people who wish to see its destruction. However it also entails the destruction of the entire region and thereby the obliteration of a vast number of Muslims and palces such as Mecca and Medina. One wonders whether this is a price worth paying for a patch of land.
Various pundits have been predicting the demise of Israel for a long time and as yet it shows few signs of collapse.
Don't be so sure
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 4:19pm.The Saudi's have the S-400's (most advanced Surface to Air Missile System in the world, far superior to the patriots) and are more than sufficient to deal with a nuclear attack. Remember, if the Saudi's are attacked and the holy cities are threatened in any way, then I can assure any zionist that the Saudi's won't be alone in ensuring the total and immediate destruction of the zionist state and anything else that interferes.
Very Funny!!!
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 9:35pm.So much talk and so little action. Destroy the Zionist Entity - Drive the Jews into the Sea. Year In Year Out - Again and Again and Again.
Where are these armies, the navies, the airforces?
By the time the Muslim states had stopped bickering amongst themselves and agreed on an action plan, the Jews would have nuked the entire world.
That's exactly why the
Submitted by Qamar on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 8:48pm.That's exactly why the zionist state should not have nuclear weapons. They are a threat to world peace.
Only fantasists on both sides
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 7:39pm.Yes you are right. It is only the fantasists on both sides that imagine that they can impose a single state on the other.
The barrier to progressing in this direction has been the absence of real debate, particularly on the Palestinian side, of what a continuation of the present situation will mean. There was once after Olso a massive pro-peace lobby but this has withered on the vine in the face of violence. We must get it back and start building a future together. Collaboration with the Jews offers the Palestinians far more than endless war. We have all seen what simple co-existance can bring in benefits. the Palestinian nation needs the Zionists active and postive assistance to create a viable state. Most barriers are not real, they are mainly in our heads. A case in point is the settlers and urban Jersualem. If we had said to them, "stay where you are as permanent residents, pay taxes to the PNA, become Palestinian citizens if you want but live in peace and share the future" we could have stopped further settlement 15 years ago and benefited from the settlers presence. Instead we demanded that they leave and made them an issue. Our violence put Sharon, Olmert and lastly Netanyahu in power and served to undermine those Zionists like Meretz and Shalom Achshav that wanted to work for co-existance.
Who are you?
Submitted by mazin on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:38pm.Q, I have asked you many times before, and you have failed to answer me.
WHO do you represent when you say "we" or "us"?
I have read a lot of your postings and the only thing I can seem to gather about you is that you are an apologist for the Israeli state (probably a Zionist), who tries to portray himself on these forums as a Muslim or non-jewish Arab.
Your posting above implies that you would be happy with the status quo. Israel expanding, fracturing Palestine into more islets, Israel taking more of the areas natural resources, 100 Palestinians killed for every Israeli, and a major conflict every now and then to throw Palestine into more turmoil and deny them any of the Human Rights they are entitled to.
Either explain to me who you chose to represent when you say "we" or "us", or don't use those terms. But you are not going to hoodwink people reading your posts into thinking you are anything other than the Zionist stooge I believe you to be.
We & Us
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 2:19pm.I have watched over the last 16 years as one stupid Palestinian leader after another has adopted a stance which has gifted the Zionists the opportunity to expand. I have also sat at the bedside of my friend stabbed at the door of his home in Abu Tor because he is a Christian and works for the church. I have watched as one person after another has lost their job in Israel because in response to another pointless bomb the Israelis have imposed stricter and stricter controls. I ahve listen to the radio and TV and witnessed its swamping with daily anti-semitic stupidity.
From 1967 we had the Jews with their guns and tanks, but for the most part they were distant and at least we had our own police force. Then the Intifadeh destroyed our police force and the IDF tookover, "break bones" said Rabin in response. & Arafats gangester slipped in to cause mayhem. Then we had Oslo, oh great dreams of a state. And when that syphillitic AIDs-ridden queer couldn't get want he wanted from negotiations with the Jews he sent out his gangsters again. And what did the ordinary Palestinian get out of this mess - NOTHING! Christians were crucified in Bethlehem on the allegation of collaboration, but mainly to remind them who was boss. Children started to go hungry, but there were always enough bullets. People suffered because they could get to Israel for emergency treatment anymore.
Today I have had enough. F**** Palestine, F**** Islam & F*** the Zionists. Better the Jews fire their nuclear weapons into the sky end the mess now!!!
BTW By us & we , I mean you & me & every other apologist for the F***ing mess we have created!
Finally!
Submitted by mazin on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 10:16am.You've admitted it, you're an apologist.
Although I dispute you labelling me as an apologist also.
My guess is, that you're one of the most articulate apologists for the state of Israel on this website. You have been very clever in trying to portray yourself as sympathetic to the anti-Israeli side, when in fact, all your postings have had the taste of a Zionist apologist under the veneer of impartiality.
You have never once given a clue as to your sex, age, nationality or faith. Most people who post on this website, after reading their postings for a while, you can kind of build a mental image of what kind of person they are. You have been very clever in not leaving a single clue as to your own hidden agenda. I have continually questioned you as to your use of the terms "we" and "us", and you have finally answered. Although even this answer is a devious one. You have still not given any indication as to what you're political/religious perspective is. You were very clever to claim that you speak for all apologists (a very ambiguous group at best).
I now believe more than before that you are nothing other than a Zionist stooge. I have read the document that this article is about, and I can see from your language that you have also, as you seem to be following almost all of the advice reccommended in the book when you post on this website.
I have been very vocal on certain issues, and I have not tried to cover up my agenda. People who have read my posts can probably (correctly) deduce the following about me. I am an Arab (Saudi) male, of middle age, who is a professional and have lived in the UK for most of my life, if not all. I am a Muslim, with centre-left politics, historically and politically aware as well as reasonably educated.
If anyone guessed those things about me, they would be absolutely right.
You however, are very sly and devious a truly despicable Zionist.
Apologist??
Submitted by Q on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 10:35am.Dear Mazin,
You make this accusation of being an apologist for Zionism yet you as a Saudi resident in UK never have to deal with them as oppressors or aquaintances, and possibly even friends. You have never looked out from your front door and wondered why they are able to organise themselves and we are not. You have never felt the anger and humiliation of beeing treated as foreigner in your own home. You have never sat beside an ordinary Jew and listened to their personal small tragedy.
I have always maintained that to win over your enemy you must frist understand them.
I have always maintained that there was more to be gained from peace than war with the Zionists.
You on the other hand seem to want to remain blanketed in the absolutes of propoganda and be intellectually lazy and fundamentally dishonest.
Yours
Amin Al-Qader
Wadi Abdalliah, Al Shaykh, Al Quds, Palestine
c/o
Ealing, London
You're right, I have never
Submitted by mazin on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 1:29pm.You're right, I have never had to deal with them as oppressors, because I am fortunate enough to live in the UK. However, I have had to deal with them as aquaintances and adversaries. I am also fortunate in never having had to deal with them as friends, as I wouldn't consider a Zionist a friend.
"You have never looked out from your front door and wondered why they are able to organise themselves and we are not." Again, you're right, I've never had to look out of my front door, but like I said, I am fortunate enough to be living in the UK. As for the second part of your statement, you couldn't be more wrong. I HAVE "wondered why they are able to organise themselves and we are not." In fact, I have stated it before on this website, that while condemning the Zionists actions in the Middle East and elsewhere, we (muslims) SHOULD be emulating them, and become more organised and politically active, and if we did so, maybe one day we might be able to influence some of the world's leaders like the Zionists seem to be able to do. MPACUK has also argued the same point many times, and I believe is one of it's core raison d'êtres. We must be more organised and politically active.
"You have never felt the anger and humiliation of beeing treated as foreigner in your own home." Excuse me, but Britain is my home, and I have "felt the anger and humiliation of beeing treated as foreigner" in my own home, as well as fear. But this only holds if you think I can claim that Britain is my home, my argument won't stand if you believe that I can't call Britain my home.
"You have never sat beside an ordinary Jew and listened to their personal small tragedy." First of all, the discussion is about Zionism, and your attempt to turn it into one about Jews is a typical example of Zionist tactics. However, I have sat beside a Jew, in fact I have sat beside many Jews when I was at University, I even worked as a teachers assistant in a Jewish school in North London, and some of those people were dear friends of mine, but I have never listened to their personal small tragedies, because by and large they don't have them. I am not denying that there are some Jews who have had small personal tragedies, however, compared to Palestinians, they are outnumbered 100 to 1. So excuse me if I don't have much sympathy for Jewish suffering, I barely have enough for Palestinian suffering.
"to win over your enemy you must frist understand them" I couldn't agree with you more. And fortunately, more and more people are beginning to understand Zionism and the State of Israel, and how they operate, this is why the main tactic of the State of Israel, Zionists and other apologists for the State of Israel is misdirection, doublespeak, PR, propaganda, obfuscation, blurring and redefining, so that understanding them is more difficult. The more people understood them, the more people would find their actions deplorable, immoral, unethical and inhumane.
No one would argue with your statement "that there was more to be gained from peace than war with the Zionists". Unfortunately, Zionists aren't interested in peace. They are interested in ratchetting up the status quo; oppression of Palestinians, denying them human rights, denying them basic services, amenities, goods and medical care, land and resource grabbing, disintegration of Palestinian culture, forced evictions and killing of innocent Palestinians.
Your last statement of "You on the other hand seem to want to remain blanketed in the absolutes of propoganda and be intellectually lazy and fundamentally dishonest." is a very weak statement. You make an accusation about me which all I can do is deny. You have not attacked anything that I have said, instead you attack me personally. When you attack my statements, I can defend them with verifiable facts, when you attack me personally all I can do is repudiate your statements. Ad hominem attacks are another popular tactic of Zionists, when they can't attack the evidence presented, they attack the person presenting the evidence. I will leave it other readers to decide whether or not I "remain blanketed in the absolutes of propoganda and be intellectually lazy and fundamentally dishonest".
Finally, signing off with a name and location that is supposed to authenticate your misrepresentative point of view is useless. I am especially suspicious of your choice of name and origin. To have chosen Al Shaykh as your place of origin, is in my opinion a vast overkill to try and justify yourself. If you are really are who you say you are, you would have introduced this fact much earlier in your postings about palestine, as I believe that people who are directly influenced by the conflict in the Middle East, should carry more weight in these discussions. For you to reveal such a trump card so late in the game leads me to believe that you never held this trump card, and have only come up with it.
Anyway, that;s my view of you and your postings, you have a very different one, and people who read both can make up their own minds about who we both are.
The day to day
Submitted by Q on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 1:35pm.The point I sought ot make, perhaps aggressively & I apoligise for that, about the media images is that the day to day is enormously different. The media hangs around each violent incident like vultures sending off impassioned reports to the media stations that want blood, bullets and death. The same media never turns up to report co-existance or collaboration. All the way along the invisable line that divides Zionists and Palestinian nationalist there are points of contactw here Jews, Muslims and Christians work together for the common good, and thy never get reported.
If you have a serious heart attack in Ramallah and are taken to the hospital, but the hopsital lacks the specialists to treat you. The doctors will contact the MDA to arrenge for you to go to Hadassah. The ambulane that takes you will not be stopped at the wall. And when you are lying in bed you will find Muslim, Christian and Jewish doctors and nurses working together to make you well. But this does not appear on your TV's.
The other side of it is that the media does not report the corruption and does not challenge the status of various "spokespersons". Hanan Ashrawi portrays herself as part of the Palestinian people. But infact she is an absolute beneficiary of the corrupt systems that have existed for centuries, and knows precious little of the realities of ordinary Palestinian lives. In the last 16 years this woman has become a major land owner at a time when the ordinary Palestinian struggles to get basic housing. To my mind she is a continuation of the dragoman atttiude that sucked the life blood out of the ordinary people. But it doesn't get reported.
The Bowens, and Guerins of this world appear when the bullets start flying. they anguish witht he victims and they report the war. But it's not war all the time. Their reporting presents a distorted view that focusses on the dysfuntion and not the function.
As for my home, which I live in when I go back, you can see it easily from Wadi Abdalliah if you drive northeast away from the city it is the house with a red tiled roof on the left.
What Could Have Been
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 1:59pm.Agreement Between Emir Feisal Husseini and Dr. Weizman
His Royal Highness the Emir FEISAL, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of Hedjaz, and Dr. CHAIM WIEZMANN, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization. mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consumation of their national aspirations is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following Articles;-
ARTICLE I
The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in the respective territories.
ARTICLE II
Immediately following the completion of the deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries between the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a Commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.
ARTICLE III
In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantee for carrying into effect the British Government's Declaration of the 2nd of November, 1917.
ARTICLE IV
All necessary measures shall be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures measures the Arab peasant and tenant farmes shall be protected in their rights and shall be assisted in forwaxiiing their economic development.
ARTICLE V.
No regulation nor Iaw shall be made prohibiting or interfering in any way with the free exercise of religion; and further the free excercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship without discimimtion or preference shell forever be allowed. No religious test shall ever be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.
ARTICLE VI
The Mohammedan Holy Places shall be under Mohammedan control.
ARTICLE VII
The Zionist Organization proposes to send to Palestine a Commission of experts to make a survey of the economic possibilities of the country, and to report upon the best means for its development. The Zionist Organisation will place the aforementioned Comission at the disposal of the Arab State for the purpose of a survey of the economic possibilities of the Arab State and to report upon the best means for its development. The Zionist Organization will use Its best efforts to assist the Arab State in providing the means for developing the natural resources and economic possibilities thereof.
ARTICLE VIII.
The parties hereto agree to act in complete accord and harmony on all matters embraced herein before the Peace congress.
ARTICLE IX
Any matters of dispute which my arise between the contracting parties shall be referred to the British Government for arbitration.
Given under our hand at LONDON.
ENGLAND, the THIRD day of
JANUARY, ONE THOUSAND NINE
HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN.
Chaim-Weizmann.
Feisal ibn-Hussein.
RESERVATION BY THE EMIR FEISAL
If the Arabs are established as I have asked in my manifesto of January 4th addressed to the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, I will carry out what is written in this agreement. If changes are made, I cannot be answerable for failing to carry out this agreement.
Feisal ibn-Hussein.
Peaceful or zionist?
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 2:52pm.Gay Man - You can continue to play scrabble with my statements but you cannot refute my argument. I reiterate once again, and here is my argument: The settlement of jews upon what was Arab land, the definition of the zionist state as a state for jews, the refusal to allow Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return and the immigration policies of the Israeli state are all derived from the ideology of zionism and when combined with the above definitions prove that zionism is racist. Try to prove me wrong.
The BNP or EDL could indeed make that statement, but they wouldn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to facts and real evidence. Our statements are backed with hard evidence that cannot be refuted.
Your entire premise is outrageously flawed. According to its very definition, anybody adhering to the doctrine of zionism is a racist, pure and simple. Detracting from this and claiming that some zionists are peaceful, or not all zionists are bad does not absolve them of being racist. Grouping them together makes perfect sense because they all hold the same racist beliefs, that is the very foundation of zionism itself. I mean why hide behind shit if you don't want to smell?
The political system of Islam is based on the three principles of Tawhid (Oneness of God), Risala (Prophethood) and Khilafa (Caliphate). Since I vehemently contend that zionism is racism, and you contend that zionism is the political arm of Judaism, you have thus proved to everyone that the zionist state is indeed a racist state, and that you as a strong supporter of zionism, are in fact also racist. Period.
You would cry foul if someone
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 3:06pm.You would cry foul if someone labeled all muslims as terrorists based on a few bad muslims, yet you cannot see that you fall into exactly the same bigoted trap yourself.
Some zionists are racists, but that doesn't mean zionism is racism.
After all, some muslims are racist, but only an Islamophobe would extrapolate that into saying Islam is racism.
As I have said before, I hate extremist zionists - like the people who kill muslims, but we must offer a hand to the peaceful zionists.
If we don't, what hope for palestine? The conflict will not end unless there are two states.
If racism were a criteria
Submitted by Q on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 7:50pm.If racism were a criteria for providing support to a nation then we should be calling for the end of Saudi Arabia, Iran and any number of other regional states. Isn't the collective denial to the Palestinians, by the members of the Arab League, the rights that all other refugees have not also racism?
To reimpose the Caliphate and Islamic rule would also be racist as it would deny non-Muslims equal legal rights with Muslims. It would in fact be a return to a rigid and capricious form of apartheid that would serve to culturally isolate the region further from the international community. Even the firsthints of this in Gaza and the West Bank have heralded terrible human rights abuses against Palestinians by Palestinians.
Next Please
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 11:07pm.Nice try. But you zionists keep switching the subject. My initial contention still stands and that is that zionism is Racism.
Your arguments are invalid since denial to assist does not preclude racism, and the imposition of the Caliphate (happy to debate on a different thread) doesn't absolve zionism of racism.
Even if we accept this line of thinking and accept that other countries are racist, then it surely does not detract from any arguments with regards the racism of zionism and/or the zionist state.
I maintain my position and challenge any zionist to refute my contention if they can!
So Zionism is sectarian
Submitted by Q on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 8:28am.So Zionism is sectarian (Jews are not of a single ethnic origin). It is not fundamentally different to many other political movements. It does not differ from the policies of the Palestinians (PLO & Hamas). If one is contemptible then so is the other.
Zionism is built on the rationale that Jews cannot secure equal rights and security in the countries that they lived in, and sadly the last 1000 years has shown this to be true. The 1947 Palestinian definition of a Palestinian and the AHC's war aims confirm the rationale of Zionism. Hamas latterly reconfirmed it.
None of this makes the Zionists crimes right. But it is equally does not confer upon the Palestinian some kind of moral superiority.
We cannot on one hand demand to be treated as though we were Israelis citizens with full rights of access to their facilities and open borders, then on the other propose to slaughter every Jew that lives in the region citing alleged resistance to occupation and the Quran as justification.
There is no escape from this
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 12:07pm.There are ethiopian jews, russian jews, german jews, iranian jews, chinese jews etc but this does not detract from my argument that zionism is racism. Not only is it a racist ideology, but zionism is apartheid, zionism is ethnic cleansing, zionism is colonization.
You haven't yet provided a single valid sentence of refutation. I believe the reason you cannot refute my arguments is because they are well-known facts backed up with hard corroborated evidence.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish" (The Glorious Quran - 17:81).
If Jews Are A Race
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 1:44pm.If Jews are a race, and thus can be determined as racist in seeking to create a "Jewish" state and not sectarian. (Jews are clearly not a singular ethnic group, but a faith community.) Then by extension the same must be determined of any body that seeks to create an Islamic state in which Muslims are provided superiority. In fact that is exactly what Islam does propose, that Islam asserts hegemony over the territories it holds, and has held, and only tolerates the continued existince of certain other faiths. As Muslims states repeat that the formulation of their consitutions emanates from Islam, it must be concluded that they seek to impose the same practices that Islam prescribes. As Islam does not afford legal equality to non-Muslims, it must therefore be discriminatory. The consequence of which is that Islam applies sectarian discrimination in determining human rights. In practice Islam does not recognise the validity of universal human rights. No Muslim, that being someone who believes in and upholds Islamic teaching, can uphold the concept of universal human rights as they are not only alien to Islamic culture but they are in diametric opposition to said values.
We can readily see that states such as Iran, which proclaims vehemently its commitment to Islamic values, denies in law equality between in its citizens on their basis of faith before its own courts. Such is a fundamental travesty of justice and merely fosters a corrupt and abusive environment, as is the case.
In the case of Palestine, with the exception of a few decades of external governance, there was no suggestion inthe last centuries that Jews or Christians were provided with equality. In 1947 the AHC proposed the eradication of the entire Jewish population regardless of individual political beleifs in terms of Zionism. In the civil war that followed the Muslim led alliance lost to the Jews. It is therefore inappropriate for them and their allies to complain about Zionist attitudes if they are largely comparable with those of the Muslims. And with the landslide election of Hamas we can readily see that the majority of Palestinian Muslims believe that the entire Jewish (& other Kufr faiths) population should be eradicated, again without any consideration of the individual political beliefs. (racist decision as some Jews will not be Zionists or post 1880 settlers) This is in effect a declaration of genocidal war against these people, and in making such a declaration the declarers being capable adults must take responsibility for their actions and the responses of their proposed victims.
For Muslims therefore to criticise the Zionists for a immigration and land acqusition practices that are discriminatory appears to be little short of blatant hypocrisy. To fail to appreciate that suggests a singularly introspective paradigm.
None of this excuses Zionist crimes.
Gay Man concedes
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 4:58pm.Gay Man - I do not believe that you have managed to establish a counter argument. I also do not believe that you have sufficiently grasped my contention that zionism is indeed racism. What I do believe is that you have chosen to concede your former statements and have now chosen to base your statements around paraphrased contentions, allbeit flawed like the former.
You say that "Some zionists are racists, but that doesn't mean zionism is racism". zionism by its very nature and definition is racist. As a result of this, ALL zionists are racist. Your statement pertains to an oxymoron whereby you cannot be peaceful and a zionist at the same time. You have failed miserably to refute my argument.
Again, all of your statements are outrageously flawed. Firstly, a Muslim racist is an oxymoron, since the definition of the verb Muslim is one who performs Islam, and Islam strongly opposes racism (in the Glorious Quran), it is therefore impossible to be a Muslim and a racist simultaneously, you're either one or the other.
Secondly Islam cannot be racist, as Islam is a religion, not a race, which is a fact. Islamophobia on the other hand is racist due to the very racist nature of the phenomena.
Again, the statement "Muslim Terrorist" is also an oxymoron for the same reason as above. It is impossible to be a Muslim and a terrorist at the same time. If you're a terrorist, you cannot call yourself a Muslim as the Glorious Quran calls these type of people "hypocrites". .
I have already proved why a two-state solution will not work. The only hope for Palestinians is to rid zionism, that is plagued with racism. Only then can the Palestinians and the jews establish peace.
Zionism is Racism. I guarantee that you will not be able to prove me wrong. Period.
I concede nothing
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 5:24pm.zionism is not racism.
zionism = a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine.
Which part of that is racist?
There are bigoted, racist and evil zionists. But there are also zionists who are good and loving. There are zionists who want to co-exist with palestinians peacfully.
You are the bigot here, judging an entire group of people on the actions of a few. I hope you can take a good long look at yourself and maybe realise how bigoted you are.
That is the only way that the palestine/israel conflict can be settled
how silly
Submitted by Anonymous Cowardy custard on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 6:41pm.how exactly do they establish it in Palestine when the wiped it out.
If they established a home land in palestine they would have become palestinian jews.
they've already established
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:37pm.they've already established it. Zionism has succeeded. They way it has succeeded is immoral, but what can be done? We can't go back in time. The arabs will not attack Israel, they know they cannot win an all out war.
It's time to compromise - learn to live together rather than kill each other.
Judaism is racialist and their Jihad has no limits
Submitted by Cosa_Nostra on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 5:00pm.It is always important to call a spade a spade. The latest racist filth as far as the UK is concerned is the anti-Alisha Dixon campaign from only Jewish personnel using and abusing their responsibilities in the media.
Just because Dixon took the job of a Jewish women, they consider it utterly humiliating for a Jewish person to loose their job to a black person.
If such people would display such filth over a BBC role, imagine their hatred against everybody else as we continue with our lives unmolested by them.
Alesha Dixon Victim Of Zionist Plotters!
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:15pm.This is just hilarious. Well done!
zionist bloggers
Submitted by Chameleon on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 5:09pm.The zionist bloggers are being given a list of talking points and debate techniques:
1) Always remind people that zionists feel bad when civilians are slaughtered.
2) Let people know that even though we are superior to everyone we are still nice guys and peaceful.
3) The Holocaust is your best friend.
4) When running low on cogent arguments call your opponent an anti-semite.
5) Check your responses for spelling and count the number of times you used # 3 and 4 (once is never enough).
6) Repeat and repeat historical lies as often as possible - this is how true history is written.
The reality is that Zionism is Racism. A reactionary movement, used as a means of justifying Jewish Diaspora to Palestine, assuaging European culpability regarding the Holocaust, and creation of a Western “satellite” in the Middle East.
Irrefutable
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 6:49pm.Gay Man - You still fail to provide a valid counter-argument, and as a result, resort to childish name-calling, that is definitely a sign of defeat. You call me a bigot, however Islam disallows me to be so, the statement is also not my opinion, but a world-wide fact, from its very definition. I'm not arguing whether zionists can co-exist with Palestinians peacefully, or whether there are so-called good zionists, my contetion is that zionism is racism, and thus all of its adherents are naturally self-fulfilling racists. Saying that some zionists are good is synonymous to saying that some murderers are good murderers, or some rapists are good rapists, or some paedophiles are good paedophiles. Zionism is pure evil from its very inception i.e. it is encouraged to lie to non-jews, to take illegally, to murder non-jews etc. Some are taught, and believe, they are to obey no laws but the Talmud. That is where the problem and the arrogance starts.
Your definition "zionism = a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine."
This is racist because the desire, and subsequent policy of creating a Jewish state inevitably must create a state that discriminates on race or creed and denies the right of national self-identity to non-Jewish groups already established on the land that was earmarked for the zionist state. It must be observed that the occupation having lasted decades is not a normal state of affairs. The occupied territories, into which I include the Gaza strip (because it does not control it's own borders and in which the IDF frequently act) are a de facto part of the zionist state. It's citizens are however denied equal rights with the zionists. This discrepancy, of permanent occupation without equal rights, is racially based and constitutes a form of apartheid.
With regards the formation of a Palestinian nation state, zionist proponents of this are not motivated by desires of equality, but merely see the creation of a Palestinian state as a vital step to allow the segregation of jews and Arabs in order to safeguard a jewish state. This is therefore by definition racist.
Though I observe that it is certainly more racist to kill or exclude someone on the basis of race, it must be pointed out that assimilating one racial group, on the terms of the latter racial group is in itself racist. Why must the native Arab community, accept assimilation into a society dominated by recently immigrated jews? This assimilation denies the rights of the Arab population to their own national self identity, due to race, which is clearly racist.
zionism rejects the idea of a modern secular state, based on equality of all citizens. zionism predicates a state where jews have privileged rights. Thus, according to the zionist state's law, a person born in London, who has never visited the zionist state, does not speak Hebrew and professes atheism, is granted automatic citizenship, if he can produce proof from a rabbi that his mother was considered a jew, while indigenous Palestinian inhabitants who were born to Christian or Muslim parents are at best tolerated but never considered as full fledged partners in the zionist society. Racial discrimination, as defined in international law, is thus not only reflected in zionist laws and policies, but is grounded in the very nature of the zionist state as a jewish state, in public perception and in the zionist credo.
I reiterate that zionism is evil and racist. Keep trying Gay Man, you CANNOT refute this.
zionism ≠ racism.
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:09pm.you keep claiming that zionism = racism.
It simply isn't true. Some zionists are racist, sure, but zionism in itself cannot be racist.
There are racist muslims on this site, that doesn't make Islam racist.
calling you bigoted isn't name calling, it's just a fact I'm afraid.
Next...
Submitted by Muhammad on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 11:34pm.Gay Man - that is still an invalid argument because you are simply negating my initial contention. By simply informing you that zionism is racism does not make the informant a racist. Again, Islam cannot be racist because it is not a race, but rather a religion. Also the term racist muslim is an oxymoron i.e. the two terms cannot co-exist due to the very definition of Muslim itself.
The fact of the matter is that zionism is racism and you cannot refute that. You can bring together all the zionists in this world and they will not be able to refute my contention. Period.
you are actually trying to
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:11am.you are actually trying to tell me that there are no racist muslims?
haha!
There are racists in every group.
members of groups are never perfect.
Impossible
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 2:10pm.Firstly, I have already explained to you in a previous post that these are two contradictory words that cannot possibly co-exist due to the very nature and meaning of Muslim i.e. an oxymoron:
A Muslim is a person that practices Islam i.e. it is a verb.
Islam strongly forbids racism i.e. in the Glorious Quran.
It is therefore impossible to become a racist Muslim because as soon as you are racist, you immediately forfeit the title of Muslim, for that moment in time, you are not actually doing what Islam commands. The same goes for anything else that runs contrary to the teachings of Islam. It is impossible to be practicing Islam and, at the same time, doing something that is clearly forbidden by islam itself.
Therefore, if you're a racist, it is impossible to be a Muslim at the same time because Islam clearly forbids racism, and vice versa.
The statement would make sense if Islam did not explicitly forbid racism, however Islam does not allow it.
Secondly, the statement "racist Muslim" implies that a person who is practicing Islam is a racist, which is firstly impossible due to the above reasons, and secondly implies that Islam is racist, which is also impossible because Islam is obviously a religion, and not a race. There is nothing "racial" about Islam.
Muslim is a verb, that's news to me
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:41pm."A Muslim is a person that practices Islam i.e. it is a verb."
Wrong. Ridiculous. Not true.
The world Muslim is a noun i.e. a Muslim person, or an adjectival noun e.g. "The Muslim world".
Do you actually know what a verb is?
Good spot, my mistake. The
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:46pm.Good spot, my mistake.
The "Mu" prefix in Arabic turns a verb into a noun. So
Islam (to surrender, submit in obedience, sincerity and peace to God) - Muslim (One who practices Islam)
Safr (to travel) - Musafar (traveller) (incidentally from where the word safari is derived)
fail
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 4:44pm.fail
I'll take that as a "No
Submitted by Zeeshan on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:50pm.I'll take that as a "No Comment".
Looks like Gay has got his work cut out.
I think we have seen quite
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 7:59pm.I think we have seen quite enough overt anti-Semitism on this site to conclude that for many of MPACuk's regular contributors Zionism is simply shorthand for Judaism.
The contributions on this thread are a disgrace.
I despair
Submitted by Gay man on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 8:11pm.unfortunately, I have to agree with you. The amount of bigotry displayed in this thread is mind boggling. I despair sometimes.
Pot calling the kettle black
Submitted by Abdul Haq on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 10:39pm.OH so now we are the bigots? You despair? That is what happens when a zionist is driven to despair. Let me tell you about bigotry. It is the back room of the zionist mind where plots and schemes are hatched for the persecution and oppression of other human beings. Bigotry is the anger of people who cannot win a debate.
The mind of the zionist is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract. It appears in your case that wisdom has never made a bigot, but learning has. Enjoy the free education!
I'm not a zionist. I'm point
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 6:22am.I'm not a zionist. I'm point out the hypocrisy of people in this thread.
Gayman zionists are not
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:58am.Gayman zionists are not racists, is that why they ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of palestinains from palestine and bought in millions of jews,which they claim is a race.
As of today millions of palestinian refugees are not allowed back into occupied palestine called israel, yet they are not racist,so one has to wonder at your notion of what racism is.
I know zionists suffer from a terminal sickness which is extreme or even manic hatred of palestinians to the point they find it hard to even admit palestinians are human beings lilke them, they too feel pain-hurt and humiliation.
Yes, some bad zionists want
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:09am.Yes, some bad zionists want to ethnically cleanse Palestine of the arabs.
But that is only a tiny percentage.
Some muslims want every non muslim out of arab lands - That doesn't make Islam a racist religion.
Gayman the have already
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:16am.Gayman the have already cleansed palestine of nearly 65% of palestinians.
The people who did this were not in the minority, they were the majority and still are,otherwise how do right wing israeli parties win overall.
The only purely islam based party put into power by a election was in algeria and that was not allowed to take power by western backed terrorists.
and the taliban threw acid on
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:57pm.and the taliban threw acid on girls going to school.
Does that make Islam bad?
No.
Don't judge Islam on a few muslims
Don't judge Zionism on a few zionists
The reality on the ground is
Submitted by Q on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:54pm.The reality on the ground is that Zionists are a very mixed bunch. Some are absolute racist monsters. Most are profoundly ordinary. Some are people fo great kindness and care.
We should not allow our hatreds to blind us to the fact that Israel has provided specialist health care to the Palestinians until very recently. Part of the problem with the Wall / Fence and the closure of Gaza is that is has cut the Palestinians off from the high quality health care they had come to take for granted. Many Palestinians from the OT's also took advantage of easy access to Israels universities, and this has been taken away due to the wall. The Zionists also facilitate UNRWA deliveries to Gaza despite the repeated attacks from Gaza, and UNRWA maintains its operations in Israel by choice - despite the rhetoric. It could leave and base itself in Jordan & Egypt.
People should also remember that B'Tselem volunteers, who challenge the IDF & Israeli government, are Zionist Israelis.
There is no hypocrisy in
Submitted by Saleh on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:58am.There is no hypocrisy in believing that zionism is racism. That is a fact. zionism is dead without racism.
I see people say exactly the
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 2:08pm.I see people say exactly the same thing about Islam.
what do muslims call people who say such things? ISLAMOPHOBES
look at yourself and realise you are being bigoted - even though you may not realise it yet.
I was just like you until I saw what I was doing.
Deviating the topic
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:27pm.So this is all that zionists can give when they run out of ammunition. Absolutely pathetic.
Islam totally forbids racism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Islam therefore rejects zionism in all its forms.
zionism is racism and you will NEVER be able to refute it.
I have won this debate outright and have proved quite conclusively and unnequivocally that zionism is indeed racism, without even a challenge. Case Closed.
so what are you going to say
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 4:17pm.so what are you going to say when people use the same argument against Islam?
'Islam is terrorism and you will NEVER be able to refute it'
Again, stick with the topic...
Submitted by Bilal on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 4:57pm.Muhammad has refuted that statement many times in this thread however you failed to acknowledge it.
This thread is about zionism and you have been given the task of refuting the contention that zionism is racism.
Since you are an ardent supporter of zionism, the onus is naturally on you to try and refute it.
I believe that you have conceded the argument.
zionism is racism.
Really? Explanations Pls
Submitted by Q on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:09pm.Clearly you believe yourself to be knowldgeable about Islam.
Pls therefore explain Dar El-Harb, Dar El-Islam, Dar El-Dhimmi and Dar Al-Kufr in light of your statement "Islam totally forbids racism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Islam therefore rejects zionism in all its forms." and how this has been applied since the inception of Islam?
Can you also explain why there was the necessity during the Arab Conquest and successive expansive phases of Islam to kill so many people?
Can you also explain why it is that while Islam forbids the obscene tendencies you cite that the Muslim states have so much difficulty in signing up to the UN Charter of Human Rights?
Do not change the topic please
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:08pm.Thank Q, but may I remind you that this thread is about zionism so I want to focus on that and not go off a tangent. I'm happy to discuss this in a different thread.
You're welcome to try and refute my contention that zionism is racism. If you're reply is a valid counter-argument, then I shall respond, however if like Gay Man, you keep diverting the actual topic in order to avoid answering or to confuse, then I shall simply refuse to respond and deem this as conceding defeat.
Zionism is Sectarian but Has the Capacity to Reform
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 8:13am.Zionism is rooted in two things. 1. The Mosaic manifesto of the creation of an Israelite state following the exodus and desire for autonomy based on Mosaic law. 2. An entirely rational response to the experiences of Jews of both Christian and Islamic rule. Of course therefore it is sectarian in basis as the impulse for its creation is sectarian. Nevertheless the Zionist state has demonstrated that it has the capacity to change and provide for all its citizens progressively more equality. Compared with its neighbours the Zionists state by all internationally accepted measures is freer. Focussing on Zionist immigration policy is purely propogandist and dishonest because it does not consider comparable immigration policies. In fact Zionist policy does not differ substantially in principle from UK immigration policy, or that of many EU countries. None of this absolves the Zionists from culpability for their human rights abuses, but neither does it afford the Muslim or Christian states somekind of moral high ground from which to pontificate.
You Introduced the Comparator BTW
Submitted by Q on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 8:43am.Muhammad, I was merely responding to the comparator you introduced in your text. You asserted that Islam fobids a range of activities in order to draw a comparison with Zionism. I simply asked you to elaborate upon that. Hardly deviation and your reluctance to respond suggests that my questions are uncomfortable for you. Which in turn suggests that your assertion is not sustainable.
Let us not offer to remove the splinter from our brothers eye until we have removed the lumberyard from our own.
Keeping it real
Submitted by Cosa_Nostra on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 9:50pm.According to Jewish propaganda, attacking Muslims is not racist because they have a "problem" with Islam and not the "durka durka" people or blacks.
If defending ourselves from hateful supremacists makes us "antisemites", then let it be. Did we give you the right to abuse Islam or Muslims?
Why should there be a special racism only for you and none for prejuduce against people with slitty eyes, people with big foreheads, people with big butts etc? Even the "racism" you claim is in itself racist ignoring the plight of all other people except the horrible "chosen people".
Take your Kosher crap out of here cos your dirt is breaking our ablutions y'all.
point proven
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 6:23am.point proven
Gay Man - the thing is that
Submitted by Rasheed on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:53am.Gay Man - the thing is that you haven't proven anything apart from the very fact that you are a staunch supporter of zionism and are therefore racist.
zionism isn't racism Islam
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:07am.zionism isn't racism
Islam isn't terrorism
some zionists are racist
some muslims are terrorists
Think about what you are saying
Lost debate
Submitted by Imran on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 12:39pm.Gay Man - you have lost your argument against Muhammad because you didn't provide any valid refutation, but continually repeat the same mantra.
You need to prove why zionism is NOT racism because Muhammad put forward a valid argument that clearly proves that zionism is indeed racism.
If you cannot prove it then simply accept defeat.
The method of implementing
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 12:57pm.The method of implementing zionism has been bad, but that doesn't make zionism bad.
You wouldn't say that Islam is bad just because of the way the taliban implemented Islam.
Gayman the taliban were
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 1:42pm.Gayman the taliban were afghans implementing a way of life over other afghans, zionist are foreigners who are forcing themselves on palestinians, they have ethnically cleansed millions.
Lets see you come up with a new excuse to justify zionist crimes,instead of calling for a end to zionist crimes against humanity.
Zionism could and should have
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 2:04pm.Zionism could and should have been implemented peacefully, by purchasing land.
I hope that the bad zionists go before a war crimes tribunal.
That doesn't mean that ZIONISM is bad, just some of its members.
Everyone deserves a place to call home.
Lets look at this from a
Submitted by Shakeel on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 2:58pm.Lets look at this from a logical point of view:
zionism is racism - racism is bad
zionism is ethnic cleansing - ethnic cleansing is bad
zionism is apartheid - apartheid is bad
It therefore logically concludes that zionism is bad.
your first step is
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:52pm.your first step is wrong.
zionism is not racism. Islam is not terrorism.
Some zionists are racists. Some muslims are terrorists.
Don't copy the bigots with their bigotry.
Cowardice
Submitted by Shakeel on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 4:43pm.Gay Man - It stands correct until you can prove it otherwise, that is if you can.
zionism is cowardice.
you are assigning your own
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 5:12pm.you are assigning your own meaning to the word. The definition of zionism is very simple and nothing to do with racism or cowardice.
I agree with you that some zionists are racist and some are cowards.
Wrong answer. Try again.
Submitted by Walid on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:52pm.Wrong answer. Try again.
Gayman then you will agree
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:52pm.Gayman then you will agree with what i have been saying for many years now, one man one vote, one nation for all,just like it was for centuries before zionism came on the scene.
Yes I agree totally with that
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 3:53pm.Yes I agree totally with that
One Man One Vote???
Submitted by Q on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:23pm.Exactly which centuries before the Nakhba was there an electoral system of one man one vote in the Damascus Sanjak (Palestine?)?
zionism is a disgrace
Submitted by Wahid on Mon, 21/09/2009 - 11:15pm.I knew it... when all else fails, play the anti-semitism thingymajig. Pathetic zionists...
just as you use 'zionist' as
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 6:23am.just as you use 'zionist' as an insult.
zionism is an insult so is
Submitted by Jameel on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 10:51am.zionism is an insult so is naturally construed as such...
only to people who hate Jews
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 11:05am.only to people who hate Jews
Splitting hairs
Submitted by Qamar on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 12:20pm.Not all jews are zionists, likewise not all zionists are jews.
Muslims reject zionism due to Muhammad's contentions above.
Our beef is with zionism, not jews.
When it suits you...
Submitted by mazin on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 11:33am....you make a clear distinction between the political movement known as Zionism, and the religion known as Judaism, (without affording Islam the same courtesy). However, when someone attacks Zionism, and uses it as an insult (which is no different to someone using the term Nazi as an insult), you immediately equate Zionism the political movement with Judaism the faith, and label the person who used Zionism as an insult as an anti-Semite.
You're pathetic. But then again, that is the usual M.O. for Zionists.
Not the old anti-semitism
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 7:49pm.Not the old anti-semitism nonsense again. Why can't you people just say Israel is a piece of shit, and lets try to fix it.
yes, let's all work together
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 8:07pm.yes, let's all work together - the good muslims and the good zionists and the good non-mulims/non-zionists.
You Moron
Submitted by Chris on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:29pm.Who do you think you're kidding? which planet are you from Gay Man? I believe you're the new perverted zionist joker on MPAC with your head so far up your ass, you think you smell sweet roses and then try to convince us that somehow zionism has a good side to it and we should blindly embrace it with open arms.
Fact is that Muslims can be good, Christians can be good, Jews can be good, but zionists can only be evil due to their racist political ideology and belief system, that is void of any good.
Muslims work with the zionists? Where have you been for the last few decades? This is tried and tested. I have seen nothing but endless bloodshed perpetrated on the Palestinians by your so-called peaceful zionist stooges.
quit kidding yourself, clean your ass and get a fresh start you moron.
You're doing it again!
Submitted by mazin on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 6:02am.Comparing a political movement such as Zionism with a religious belief like Islam.
I explained to you below in the thread called "It doesn't work like that", why you can't do such a thing. Instead of arguing why you can, you just carry on being an idiot.
I want to insult you and tell you to f@ck off, but if I was to do that, I would probably be doing the Zionist cause a favour., So instead, let me ask you to continue posting, so that you can show as many people as possible what a pathetic Zionist you are.
Please don't crawl away, but stay and try to argue your indefensible points.
Problem is zionism
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 8:33pm.In order to clear up any confusion, the problem is simple: Founding a modern state on a single ethnic or religious identity in a territory that is ethnically and religiously diverse leads inexorably either to politics of exclusion (think of the over one hundred square-mile prison camp that Gaza has become) or to wholesale ethnic cleansing. Put simply, the problem is zionism.
Your statement that "some zionists are not racists" is irrelevant and does not detract from my initial argument because I'm not talking about individual zionists, but rather the movement or ideology itself. What I'm saying is that zionism (as a national jewish movement or ideology) is racism.
If you say that "some zionists are good" or that "not all zionists are bad", which I strongly reject anyway, but this does not take anything away from the fact that the zionist political movement is racist.
To analogize, If you, for example, contend that nazism is racism, and I attempt to refute that argument with the statement "some nazis are good", this still doesn't refute the argument that nazism is racism. I would need to explain in sufficient detail WHY nazism is not racism to stand even a chance of refuting the contention.
You CANNOT refute that the zionist political movement is racist because this is a well-known fact with tons of solid corroborated evidence.
Prove me wrong if you dare.
I have proved you wrong
Submitted by Gay man on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 8:44pm.I have proved you wrong several times. You are thinking and acting like the Islamophobic bigots that base their views of Islam on the actions and beliefs of a few.
Another deviation
Submitted by Muhammad on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:43pm.Where exactly have you refuted My contention that zionism is racism? You are a liar and this is one of main characteristics of a zionist, especially when they are clutching at straws.
Again, I am simply saying that the zionist political movement is racist, I am not basing this view because of the actions of a few, but because this is, by definition, the nature of zionism.
You can try all you want to deviate and lie, but remember, the truth will ALWAYS stand firm, and falsehood will perish. Period.
Dude give up... honestly that
Submitted by Joe on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:49pm.Dude give up... honestly that Muhammad guy has totally obliterated you in every post... you don't have a leg to stand on... go away you zionist troll!!!
Agreed, this gayman is just
Submitted by Simon on Tue, 22/09/2009 - 9:55pm.Agreed, this gayman is just another nutcase zionist who doesn't even have a clue. it's most likely an abused teen-age rebellious armchair warrior that missed out on his usual stuffing so he's taking it out on MPAC lol!
Carry on with your bigotry.
Submitted by Gay man on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 3:50pm.Carry on with your bigotry. You will answer to God in the end.
Muhammed - on founding a (modern) state
Submitted by Damour Mon Amour on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 8:49am.This is not a modern phenomenon.
Founding any state on a single religious or ethnic identity in a territory that is ethnically or religously diverse leads inexorably to the politics of exclusion or to wholesale ethnic cleansing. That is correct.
Well, this is precisely what the Prophet PBUH did in 7th century Arabia - those who submitted to Islam were spared, the rest were either killed or expelled. And there were many Jewish and Christian settlements in Arabia that disappeared into the ether. So, yes, it can happen
Aceh Province in Indonesia did the same in this century and quite frankly I don't think the illiterate population of such a backward little state would even know what a Zionist was.
I doubt very much if anyone had heard or thought of Zionism in 7th century Arabia, nor do I think you can blame Zionism for the ethnic cleansing in Aceh. In fact the word for what happened in those two countries is Islamism, altho' of course there were no indigenous Jewish inhabitants, only Bhuddist, Hindu and Christians.
You are making your argument around the word "modern" so that apart from the ethnic cleansing in Aceh (which didn't figure largely in the western news until the tsunami) and the ongoing war in the Phillipines, you can make it a closed subject. Perhaps you would like to explain your argument in a broader context when you could not make the debate quite so simple. In fact, it is very complex but I must admit you very cleverly skirted the subject by containing the time period.
This isn't true, there are
Submitted by Gay man on Wed, 23/09/2009 - 2:07pm.This isn't true, there are Jews in SA
I believe...
Submitted by Muhammad on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 12:58pm.To Q and Gay Man - How convenient for zionist activists to deliberately overlook the normal atrocities that occur in the zionist state daily, the millions of Palestinians who are under curfew and blockade, starving and brutalized, in the Middle East's only colonized state. As a result, you knowingly feign the reality of zionism, a racist and irredeemable movement, that survived the twentieth centuries' other genocidal and seemingly passing revolutions such as Bolshevism, Nazism, and Apartheid.
A century ago, zionism extended Western colonialism to Palestine. The sad truth is that over a century after its founding, zionism seems to be grander and more honorable than its reality. Arabs have suffered from zionism's belligerence and exclusivity, and many have blamed the United States, and the West, for this because of their unshakeable support of zionism. the zionist state's aggression especially during this year has finally renewed international recognition that zionism is racism.
It is now up to all good jews to follow in the footsteps of the brave few, and denounce the racist and separatist nature of zionism, while the world should encourage them to do so. The world should not allow the torchbearers of zionism to silence and quell the idealism of these few. No nationalism is pure, no movement is perfect, no state is ideal, but today, zionism persists as a menace, a militaristic and dictatory movement to me and to most Palestinians. A century ago, zionism extended Western colonialism to Palestine; today, as in the rest of the world, colonialism must be ideologically purged from Palestine.
I believe that zionism is racism, because 61 years after being exiled from their homeland, in defiance of the four Geneva Conventions, UN Resolutions 181, 194, 242, 338, and others, and other multilateral and international human rights conventions, including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the disinherited refugees of Palestine, continue to endure merciless punishment from the Zionist entity, such as during the Gaza Massacre at the beginning of this year.
I believe that zionism is racism, because without recognizing the colonialist component in zionism, I cannot explain its racist character, a western movement uprooting the native peoples of Palestine, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Samaritan alike, a people bound to their land, through centuries of raising olive groves, and herding sheep, lending grace to the Hills of God, historically, religiously and culturally.
I believe that zionism is racism, because it fails to appreciate or acknowledge the Palestinians' ties to their homeland, their love for their historical capital, Jerusalem, and the 61-year plight they have endured as refugees worldwide, in Europe, in North America, and others, never giving up hope or struggle in yearning to return home.
I believe that zionism is racism, because it fails to admit the reality that the minority indigenous Jewish community in Palestine, that lived there for the last two thousand years, was an undistinguishable people from its Christian and Muslim Palestinian brethren, and that the leader of the Jewish community of the Jewish quarter of Old Jerusalem, Rabbi Lamram Blau, stood on the side of his Palestinian brothers and sisters being exiled in 1948.
I believe that zionism is racism because in modern times, the promise of liberal democracy and justice is a double-edged sword, preached by the Western powers, yet only paid lip-service to in the case of the zionist state, where Palestinians are continuously expelled, ethnically cleansed, and subjugated, and in the cases where they are assimilated, they are granted, limited, if any, civil rights.
I believe that zionism is racism, because in establishing the racially exclusive zionist state, in 1948, and expelling the indigenous Palestinians from the land, the zionists severed a relationship that people had to the land for over 4,000 years, uninterrupted, since before Abraham.
I believe that zionism is racism, because in building the zionist state, the zionists were revising history, embracing the notion of racial superiority, an ideology that has empowered them to discriminate, with all of its associated social ills, injustices, and moral bankruptcy.
I believe that zionism is racism because it fails to distinguish between the nationalism of the Palestinian, based on multi-cultural harmony, and the racial exclusivity, separatism, ethnic cleansing, and brutality of zionism, that stands in clear violation of the most basic elements of international law and human rights practices, as most recently highlighted by reports issued by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.
I believe that zionism is racism because it self-propagates itself as a democratic movement. However, a democracy, cannot, by definition, only be representative of one community in a bi-national and tri-religious contiguous geographic area. A democracy cannot exist for one people and not for another. This is called Apartheid in South Africa, and is now called zionism in Palestine.
I believe that zionism is racism, because it espouses an independent and sovereign Jewish state, in a land where there is no Jewish majority. It espouses that such a sovereign state be at peace and harmony with its neighbors without allowing the Palestinian refugees dwelling within their borders, who were expelled from their homes in Palestine by zionist militias, as is clearly documented by numerous sources including the memoirs of David-Ben Gurion himself, to return to their homes, which is a basic human right guaranteed by Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
I believe that zionism is racism because it is presented by its champions, from Gil Troy to Elie Wiesel, as a romantic movement, which allowed zionists to reclaim the desert and build a model nation-state. This is racism at its most acute, since there was no desert in Palestine, other than the Negev in the South. This is simply a myth that has been propagated by racists who have supported the zionist state for the last 61 years, and economic data on agricultural exports to Europe from Palestine dating to medieval times easily rejects and exposes this as a blasphemous claim.
And here is the reality of zionism, yes, as Vladamir Jabotinsky, father of revisionist zionism said in a racist boast in 1923, "There can be no discussion of a voluntary reconciliation between us and the Arabs. Any native people view their country as their national home. They will not voluntarily allow, not only a new master, but even a new partner. Colonization can have only one goal. For the Palestinian Arabs this goal is inadmissible. This is in the nature of things. To change that nature is impossible. Colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population - an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy."
The superior claim to national territory is the attribution of a superior quality to members of the national group. The denial of this claim to certain other ethnic groups is the attribution of an inferior status to their members. The lack of an open-door immigration policy means, that these claims are translated into real exclusion. Finally, the acquisition of citizenship by descent is a purely biological mechanism: it is racist in the general sense, but it is also closest to the biological ideologies first described by the term "racism".
There is no inherent moral reason why states should limit immigration, or residence, or citizenship, simply on grounds of birth. In fact, it is hard to think of any moral justification for it. It is clearly racist in the general sense of the word, and its derivation from the ideology of nationalism indicates the racist origins of that ideology. The nationalism underlying the zionist state, which is accurately called Zionism, is no different in this respect. Here too, Zionism is racist.
And thus, all zionists abound are exposed as nothing more than vile, insidious, racist creatures disguising themselves in the cloak of political debate and progressive judaism.
"The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up. Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from God increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, God doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And God loveth not those who do mischief" (The Glorious Quran - 5:64).
You Paint a Pretty Picture
Submitted by Q on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 12:49pm.Muhammed,
you paint a pretty picture of some pastoral idyll which I am sure we would all love to possess and inhabit. Sadly the reality is otherwise.
e.g. Prior to the 1840's long before the appearance of the Zionist aggressor colonialists, the majority of the inhabitants of Beisan district stretching from just south of the Sea of Galillee along what is now the Jordanian / Syria border was largely inhabited by the Jews you describe, tending their sheep. By 1845 they were gone following an explosion of violence. So insecure were they, that despite assurances from the Ottoman administration they refused to return. The Haouranis (Christian and Muslims) who perpetrated this ethnic cleansing sought to benefit from their violence by seizing the land. They were prevented from doing so by the Ottomans through the settlement of the Cerkez (Circassians) in Beisan.
In the previous century the Ashkenazi community had been violently expelled from the Sanjak El Quds when it was unable to pay Jizya due to communal bankruptcy. It took decades for them to be able to buy permission to return.
Such facts put paid to the notion that some bucollic idyll existed prior to the rise of Zionism.
Modern Zionism may have been founded in central Europe, but its appeal is pan-Judaic. The majority of Jews, be they Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrachi or whatever support it in one form or another. They collectively and individually cite their communal experiences to validate their political views. Relying on people like Rabbi Blau of the Satmarer sect as being presentative of Jews is like relying on the Donme to represent Muslims. His sect is a minority within a minority within a minority, and as such has no significant status within the Jewish community. (In fact one of the things I used to find astonishing was that some mainstream Jews blamed these hasidic sects for a proportion of the deaths in the holocaust.)
Believing in what are little more than children's stories about the past weakens us because it is fundamentally unreal. If you don't have a history you don't have a future, and you will repeat the mistakes of the past endlessly.
We as part of the Umma need to recongise that much of our self-image is derived froma time when we had powerful empires which were immune from criticism and challenge. We have not come to terms with the decline of those empires and the loss of power, and the challenges to our self-perception. Our response has been to cloak ourselves in the mantle of victimhood that western post-colonial attiitudes afforded us. But IMO this is rooted in racism which denies us intellectual and emotional equality, and portrays us as little more than incompetent immature savages (i.e the noble savage of orientalism).
With the exception of Palestine, the Umma has largely sloughed of the actualities of colonialism. But we have not progressed to developing stable creative states. Instead we have descended into self-pity and dishonesty. Everywhere we look the people are oppressed and most of the oppressors are Muslims. We still have the mindset of Razzia with one tribe raiding another.
Muhammad you are wasting your
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 4:28pm.Muhammad you are wasting your time with zionists, they are trained to twist and divert but never to admit their own guilt and crimes against humanity.
To justify their murder and oppresion in palestine they will make up eternal victimhood stories from centuries ago ,so after many a debate with zionists, i have come to the conclusion that if zionists roam centuries to justify their murder and oppresion of palestinians then when the boot is on the other foot and the palestinians avenge themselves, zionists will fully understand why revenge is being taken out on them.
Stand up
Submitted by Jameel on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 4:49pm.We must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.
It is time to stand up, in every sense.
UN resolutions
Submitted by Q on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 9:21pm.Muhammed,
I am note sure that your argument holds up in relation to the UNSCR's you quote.
181 = Partition - Rejected by Palestines & Arab states
194 = Return of Refugees & Access to Holy Places (Nazareth & Jerusalem) Not implemented by either side due to continuing state of belligerency, non-recognition of Israel and Jordanian law prohibiting Jews from residing in Jordan incl. West Bank.
242 = Ceasefire & (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." Requirement (i) didn't happen because Arab states refused to comply with (ii) 3 No's.
338 = Ceasefire & reiteration of 242
The Mother of all arguments
Submitted by Kaif Halak on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 10:41pm.The Mother of all arguments is still right up there and hasn't been refuted.
ZIONISM IS RACISM.
Not even Q's grandad could
Submitted by Yalla on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 10:46pm.Not even Q's grandad could solve that one!
This argument doesn't even need to dodge bullets.
ZIONISM IS RACISM.
ZIONISM is RACISM
Submitted by Muhammad on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 1:12pm.To Q and Gay Man - Let me remind both of you again that zionism is based on the concept of ethnic superiority, of occupation, terrorism, plundering of resources and land, and racism against other religions.
While Muslims wholeheartedly respect Judaism as a monotheistic religion, we know that, for decades, the United Nations, in its famous resolution, had established a parallel between zionism and racism; Resolution 3379, which, in 1975, determined that "zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." Acknowledging that the General Assembly later rejected the resolution, we know that that was due to political reasons; the decision was not based on a conceptual position.
Of all the ignored resolutions passed by the UN against the zionist state, Resolution 3379 is the one that rankles the zionist state the most, perhaps proving the saying about the hurtfulness of the truth.
Indeed, Resolution 3379 referred back to the 1973 resolution condemning "the unholy alliance between South African racism and zionism", and to the 1963 resolution which determined that "any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous."
The zionist movement is a pure colonial movement that had used, and is still using, judaism to serve its unlawful purposes. zionism is not a representation of judaism or a fulfillment of a judicial prophecy. Decades of zionist propaganda have misrepresented zionism as a progressive, modern force bringing civilization to an arid, uninhabited wasteland; such an image is an illusion. zionism is an apartheid philosophy. Its founder, Theodore Herzl, was dismayed by the mass anti-Semitism in France aroused by the Dreyfuss affair. He became convinced that the separation of the jews from the Gentiles by gathering all jews in a separate jewish nation was the only solution to the age old "jewish problem."
It was obvious from the beginning of zionism that dispossession of the Palestinian majority, either politically or physically, would be an inevitable requirement for achieving a jewish state. It was not only land that was needed to reach zionism's goal, but land without another people in the majority. Since Palestinian Arabs were by far the majority throughout the period up to the zionist state's establishment as a jewish state in 1948, the zionist state could emerge only by denying the majority its rights or by becoming the majority, either through immigration, or in reducing the number of Palestinians by ethnic cleansing; what is happening now.
The UN General Assembly in December, 1991, made the decision to invalidate Resolution 3379 equating zionism with racism.
Today, it is more imperative than ever that we ask to resurrect the "ZIONISM is RACISM" charge at the United Nations.
Next Please
Submitted by Muhammad on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 4:56pm.Q - Is this for your own knowledge, or are you trying to catch me out? Either way, I hope it brings you closer to Islam, the Islam that you refuse to see. Since it is my duty as a Muslim to clear any misconceptions regarding Islam, and since my religion is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, It's my pleasure to give it to you straight:
"Pls explain Dar El-Harb, Dar El-Islam, Dar El-Dhimmi and Dar Al-Kufr in light of your statement 'Islam totally forbids racism, ethnic cleansing and apartheid'".
To get the full picture, it would be better if you read Dar Al-Islam And Dar Al-Harb: Its Definition and Significance by Ahmed Khalil.
"Islam therefore rejects zionism in all its forms." How has this been applied since the inception of Islam?
The Glorious Quran prohibits racism in any form i.e.:
"O mankind! We have created you from a single male and female and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know each other. The most honorable of you in the sight of Allah are surely the righteous." (The Glorious Quran - Al-Hujurat: 13).
"O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women." (The Glorious Quran - An-Nisa’: 1).
Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) said: "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."
In the same way that Islam rejects anti-semitism, a racist ideology, it also rejects zionism, another racist ideology. It must not be forgotten, however, that not all jews are zionists. Indeed, there are many jews who oppose the crimes against humanity of zionism, fiercely criticise these, maintain that the zionist state must immediately withdraw from all the occupied territories, and wish the zionist state to be a free state in which all nations and identities can live together as equals. As Muslims rightfully oppose zionism, therefore, they must bear these truths in mind and be aware that the criticisms are aimed at zionism, not at jews. For someone to criticise and hurt innocent jews on account of the crimes of zionism is a violation of justice. If we condemn the various jewish communities in the world on account of the unjust occupation by and attacks of zionism, we again contravene justice and commit a grave error. If we perpetrate terrorist actions against those who support the aggression and occupations of zionist ideology and aims these at the zionist state's civilians, we turn away entirely from the path of justice, and commit a grave sin by targeting innocent people.
Thus we can see that Islam is the very antidote to racism; and where Islam flourishes there cannot be any place for racism.
"Can you also explain why there was the necessity during the Arab Conquest and successive expansive phases of Islam to kill so many people?"
The Great Arab Conquests : How the Spread of Islam Changed the World We Live in (Hugh Kennedy)
Let me first remind you that Islam strongly prohibits forcing anyone to accept Islam i.e.:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion. The truth is henceforth distict from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things". (The Glorious Quran - 2:256).
"Say: The Truth is from your Lord. Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject [it]" (The Glorious Quran - 18:29).
"Goodness and evil can never be equal. Repel [evil] with good: then will he between whom and you was hatred become as it were your friend and intimate}(The Glorious Quran - 41:34).
"Invite [all] to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance" (The Glorious Quran - 16:125).
During these wars, only those that resisted were attacked, and this was very strictly commanded and followed. As an example, take Egypt (a "Muslim" country), home to roughly 7 million Coptic Christians (who are probably the closest to the original Christians). If Islam killed unnecessarily or forced reversion, wouldn't they have been wiped out? The same goes for the Persian Jews. Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world (over 200 million), yet not a single army invaded them or brought violence to them. If Islam forced reversion, then why did Indonesians accept Islam when no one came to attack them?
It is thus clear that Islam strongly forbids unnecessary bloodshed in times of war, even POW's are to be respected and taken care of i.e. food, medication etc.
There is no evidence anywhere to suggest that people were killed unnecessarily during the Arab Conquests. Now compare this to the Crusades or WW1 or WW2, or even the Palestinian Holocaust as perpetrated by the zionist state. You will find that the necessity to kill so many people unnecessarily is actually perpetrated by the zionists i.e. the systematic genocide of the Palestinian people using tanks, fighter jets, white phosphorus, cluster bombs etc.
"Can you also explain why it is that while Islam forbids the obscene tendencies you cite that the Muslim states have so much difficulty in signing up to the UN Charter of Human Rights?"
Depends what a zionist means by "Human Rights". I mean the zionist state is one of the, if not the biggest violator of human rights and internation law.
Let me remind you that each of the fundamental human rights guaranteed in the UNDHR are already found in the Glorious Quran. Just visit http://www.submis sion.org/unhmnrights.ht ml (with spaces). We already signed up to this over 14 centuries ago.
What you must understand is that the UNDHR fails to take into account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries. It is a secular interpretation of a Judeo-Christian tradition which can't be implemented without trespassing on Islamic law. That is why there is a compatible Cairo Declaration as an alternative.
I hope this answers your questions.
Your posts are very
Submitted by musab on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 5:21pm.Your posts are very informative. Do you have a blog or are you on the mpac forum?
Thanks...
Submitted by Muhammad on Thu, 24/09/2009 - 5:35pm.Musab - unfortunately I don't have a blog, I'm just here in my spare time to set these zionist apologists straight and also to clear up misconceptions regarding Islam.
I'll look into setting up a blog soon InshaAllah when I get more time off.
wa-asalaam.
he was replying to 'Q', not
Submitted by Gay man on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 4:13pm.he was replying to 'Q', not you friend.
Check the timestamps you
Submitted by Ahmak on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 10:32pm.Check the timestamps you fool.
Whose Perspective
Submitted by Q on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 10:16am.Dear Mohammed,
There is a tendency for any group to project their own perspectives based upon their beliefs and informed by their own framework of values and self-justifying statements. For example, if you were to pose to the US white southern population "how well did you treat the black community in the ante & post bellum periods?", while they may acknowledge the abuses to a limited extent they will present their perception of the Afro-American experience, not the Afro-American experience. In fact it would be considered wholly inappropriate to award superiority to the white perceptions of the Afro-American experience over that of the Afro-Americans, and we generally would consider it laughable.
By extension the same applies to the experiences of the non-Muslim communities living in Muslim countries. It is not credible to award Muslim perceptions of the non-Muslim experience any standing as anything other than Muslim perceptions. yet there is a tendency to arrogate the right to assert credibility to Muslim perceptions of the non-Muslim experience.
This tendency leads to a number of fundamental weaknesses in the broad Muslim position. It inhibits the potential for conflict resolution because it is places greater emphasis on the injuries of Muslims than non-Muslims. It thus antagonises and alienates the non-Muslim. It also inhibits the capacity of Muslims to predict non-Muslim responses.
But there is an even greater threat to Muslims, and this has parallels ion post-war Germany. When individual Muslims are presented with factual evidence of the abusive relayionships between Muslims and non-Muslims which conflicts with the accounts they have had from their teachers, parents and media, they are inherently conflicted and presented with a choice. Either retreat into denial and the continuation of the lie. Or acknowledge the facts and that they have been lied to, which tends to lead them to question the basis of all thier previous beliefs. In my own experience, Muslims covertly iknow the truth but are fearful for a number of reasons of acknowldeging it, some of which can be life threatening. I as a child heard the same myths as you, but then naively explored the conflicts in the statements, which in this instance related to the departure of the Beisan Jews and the arrival of the Cerkez in the 1840's. The response from my father was very much "Do not ask that question!" and certainly not publically. From my home, when I'm there, I can walk easily to a place of massacre and look up at the balcony from which Amin Al Husseyni directed it. But if I look for any reference to this event in the histrory books there is no reference.
Were there to be explicit acknowledgement of the abuse that earlier generations have visited upon non-Muslims rarther than strengthening the extremists hand, we actually weakened it and make an appeal to the moderates. So long as we deny the factual truth we inherently validate the enemies denial of the same.
The extremist Zionists want us to cluster around the deniers, because that enables them to say to their own people "Look the Muslims cant even tell the truth to themselves about how they abused us. Look the Muslims believe this abuse was not only acceptable but approved by God. Look they will do the same to us if we ever let them gain equality! Let's kill them first! Let's drive themf rom our midst!"
We live in region that for millenia has turned through an endless cycle of revenge & greed driven violence. The only people who benefitted were some short-sighted bullies at the top who stole from everyone. Ultimately it impoverished us all.
Self Delusion
Submitted by Kaif Halak on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 10:35pm.Strip away the literary fabric that shrouds this mere snippet of self-delusion, delve beneath a sinister layer of sympathy and apologism, and you will discover the ill-intentions of a sick and perverted zionist, a woodworm eating away merrily, his labour of fulifillment, the necessity for humane action in the labyribth of an oppressive world; the zionist's propensity to disguise the truth beneath a veneer of daydreaming deception.
Laugh at yourself and at your words. Not in the spirit of derision or whining self-pity, but as a remedy, a miracle drug, that will ease your pain, cure your depression, and help you to put in perspective that seemingly terrible defeat and worry with laughter at your predicaments, thus freeing your mind to think clearly toward the solution that is certain to come. Never take yourself too seriously.
The Deceit is Thine
Submitted by Q on Fri, 25/09/2009 - 11:35pm.My comments do not relate to Zionism except that I use the terms "extremist Zionists". The matter relates to the Muslims, and more specifically Palestinian capacity to address the challenges of the modern world and thereby address counter & check the advance of Zionism. It is in fact your self-deception that strengthens the hand of the Zionists. If we create in our own imaginations a Zionist monster that does not correspond with reality when end up fighting that creation and not the reality. Failure to understand the Zionists has led to one failure after another. The root of the deceoption sits within our own self-portrayal and our collective description of our common history. It too no longer corresponds with the facts and has become mired in self-congratulatory myth.
If we want to eradicate the illegal Zionist entity as it is often described then we require factual intelligence around which we should shape our battle plan. If we conjure up something that does not correspond with the enemy we face, our forces will be misaligned and then inappropriately deployed.
If brave words won battles Palestine would extend to the Italian coast. Sadly it does, and without wishing to appear too brutal about it - the Muslim forces have yet to take a single centimetre of Palestine back from the Zionists by force let alone hold it against a counter-attack.
You're doing it again! Quit
Submitted by Kaif Halak on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 3:06pm.You're doing it again! Quit apologising for zionists.
Quote "the Muslim forces have yet to take a single centimetre of Palestine back from the Zionists by force let alone hold it against a counter-attack".
Rest assured that Palestine will be taken over by the Muslims when the time arrives:
“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; Al-Bukhaari, 2926).
“The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of God! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, 2922).
On the basis of your declared intent
Submitted by Q on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 3:34pm.There is not one element of apology for the Zionists on my part. there is a clear "J'Accuse!" directed at those who claim to be struggling for the Palestinian people.
So many words and so little action. And least of a credible plan of how to attain the goal.
And what should the Zionists, their allies and the international community make of your oft repeated invocation of the Quran? Are you not doing Netanyahu's job for him? The "Muslims" intend by virtue of phophetic declaration to kill the Jews wherever they may be found. I think the UN calls that genocide. As the Quran precedes Zionism, might it not be argued that Zionism is simply justified self-defence?
Yes, I am being Devil's Advocate here, but as it is your assertion I'll allow you to defend it.
Weak arguments
Submitted by Shahid on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 4:34pm.So when zionists defend themselves, it is justified, but when Palestinians do so, it is terrorism. Can you not say anything without being racist? Furthermore, the Talmud (most racist and vile book on earth) precedes the Glorious Quran, but I'm not here to embarass you, what I am here for is to prove to everyone that ZIONISM IS RACISM.
Q - earning a pretty penny So
Submitted by Shimon on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 1:21pm.Q - earning a pretty penny
So nice to see the ziofascist manual being put to good use. You do tend to miss out on some of finer techniques however. Plenty of time to improve on this though. Above all else make sure you have proof of all the hard work you are putting in or you may not get paid.
No he's earning shekels.
Submitted by Taz on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 11:35pm.No he's earning shekels. Isral pays in shekels. That's what they give for lying on their behalf. It's called 'Habara'.
Zionist plague
Submitted by Muhammad on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 4:13pm.No matter how much the zionist apostles, activists and apologists alike try to defend zionism and propagate deceptive messages of peace from their zionist training manuals, the injustice inflicted on Palestinians by Zionism is manifest and, except on racist grounds, unanswerable and irrefutable: their right to self-determination, and even to their homeland, is being denied. No justification for this can withstand even cursory scrutiny. The "historical right", based on the Jewish presence in the zionist state two thousand years ago is neither historical, nor based on any accepted notion of right, and is not a right except in mystical, romantic nationalist ideologies. Also the argument that Palestine was "empty" when the Zionists arrived is ironic, because it is a back-handed admission that, had Palestine be inhabited, which it plainly was, the Zionist enterprise was morally indefensible. Non-Zionist supporters of Zionism can only come up with a racist justification, the fate of Jews is simply more important than that of Arabs.
Racial discrimination has become "legally" institutionalised in the zionist state. The Nationality Law, and particularly, the doctrine of return, gives hard evidence of the zionist state's discriminatory and racist policies. This Law is an integral part of the Zionist policy consistently pursued ever since the Zionist colonisation processes began in Palestine.
Racial discrimination is inherent to Zionism. In a state of Jews, those who are "nationals" of the "Jewish people" cannot be equal to those who are not, and should they become equal the raison d'être of having a state of Jews would vanish.
There is ideological convergence between anti-Semites and Jewish supremacists. Zionism's project is nothing short of turning the Jew into the anti-Semite and thus Zionists, are the true anti-Semites, while the Arabs are the true Semites.
Zionism is based on the concept of ethnic superiority, of occupation, apartheid, terrorism, plundering of resources and land and racism against other religions. Any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and extremely dangerous.
ZIONISM IS RACISM.
Zionist Massacres
Submitted by Jameel on Sat, 26/09/2009 - 5:50pm.Some organized massacres perpetrated by zionists:
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Western Bekaa villages Massacre:
2009 Gaza Massacre