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Live Blog: The Power of Israel's Lobby, Channel 4 @ 8pm

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We'll be live blogging the first ever British documentary to expose the Israel Lobby in the UK.

The documentary is airing at at 8pm on Channel 4 and if you miss it you can watch it again on Channel 4+1 (Digital viewers only).

Don't forget to join us at 7.55pm. You are going to have to hit the refresh button (F5) to view updates.  Apologies in advance for bad spelling and grammar.

In the mean time, feel free to have a read of this, a wonderful exposé of the Israeli Lobby in UK.

7:55pm Salaam to one and all.  Just logged on and am watching the Rory Peck Awards on C4.  I always was a fan of these 5 minute shows that C4 do.  This one is about freelance cameramen and women.

7:58pm This episode is about Afghani parents being forced to sell their children to rich families.  No one should ever have to go through this.  May Allah protect them.

8:02pm Ok, it's on, here we go.  I think the best Dispatches that I ever saw was 'Women Only Jihad'.  Not that I'm biased or anything. Based on all the chatter about this documentary, this promises to be good.  In particular they will be talking about funding and the Tories. Zionists and the Channel 4 telephone operators will both be sweating after this.

8:05pm David Cameron at the Conservative Labour Friends totally omit any mention of Gaza 2009 and says that Israel "strives to protect innocent lives". Looks like he has a short memory.

8:07pm 80% of Tories are part of Conservatie Friends of Israel (CFI).  Why not check over your local Tory MP to see if they are in that percentage?

8:08pm "In some ways we reflected their (the Zionist lobby's) interests" - You don't say Michael Acram MP(!)

8:10pm They're touching on the Israel-Lebanon war.  Hague's comments about "disproportionate attacks" by Israel were considered offensive by the head of Conservative Friends of Israel. 

8:12pm CFI is an "unincorporated organisation" so we can't know about their funding. Another pro Israeli organisation, gave over £2 million recently in party donations.  Not really a surprise that this didn't make bigger news.

8:14pm £10 million pounds have been donated by CFI! 

8:15pm Good, they're talking about Tony Blair.  As bad as Brown is, we forget that Blair left this country in a state.

8:19pm Heh, Polish Pollock has said he won't apologise to Jews who were harmed in Poland, but CFI aren't all over him because he's pro-Israel.  

8:21pm Ok there's a break.  Off to get a snack.

8:23pm Break's over and now they're talking about BICOM.  I wonder if Lorna Fitzsimmons remembers us.

8:25pm Man, even Madonna is friends with Zabludowicz (a Finnish businessman who owns a mall in one of the Occupied Territories).  That woman's craziness knows no bounds.

8:29pm Why do they call them "settlements"?  They're colonies and are occupied.

8:31pm They are now talking about media lobbying and how BBC are considered "enemies" of Israel.

8:33pm Typical, Guardian is considered anti-Semitic for saying that Israel is like an apartheid state.

8:34pm "I'm for free speech, but you've crossed a line" - says the head of the CST Ronson, talking to the Guardian about an article they wrote comparing Israel to apartheid South Africa. 

8:35pm Good on Rabbi Goldberg and Antony Lerman for speaking out and not caring about being called "self-hating Jews".  The Jewish community needs more heroes like them to in order to expose Israel's crime.

8:37pm  The Zionist lobby just throws the term 'anti-Semite' around for anyone that criticises Israel?  Who would have thought it?

8:43pm Documentary's back on.  They're now moving on to explore the BBC and their Middle East coverage.

8:45pm  What is it with Zionist lobbies and lobby names like "Honest Reporting UK"?  Do they not know anything about irony?  

8:47pm Only the BBC were banned when Ariel Sharon came to meet Blair at 10 Downing Street in order to give them a lesson about their "Pro Palestinian" coverage. When the Israeli lobby can call the shots on who can or cannot come to our Prime Ministers press conferences, it's shocking and shows the power of the Israeli lobby.  I really hope Muslims take away an understanding of just how powerful lobbying is.

8:49pm An ex-Israeli arm officer is in charge of "Honest Reporting UK".  Yeah, they're really going to be neutral and "honest".

8:51pm They now move on to the Gaza DEC appeal that the BBC refused to air.  Shame on Mark Thompson for turning it down, and credit to Niaz Alam for voicing his frustrations on the so-called discussion on whether to broadcast it or not.

8:54pm Just goes to show that the Israeli lobby is getting stronger.  In 1982 they were able to show a DEC Appeal when Israel attacked Lebanon.

8:56pm Well that's all folks.  It was a really good documentary and I'd really love to watch it again. There is no doubt that Zionists will be hitting the C4 line hard, please make sure you email and call C4 to thank them making and showing this.

Thank you, that was my first live blog and I hope you enjoyed it. Salaam Alaikum! Don't forget to let us know what you thought.

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Thanks for the link, I had no

Thanks for the link, I had no idea that the Guardian was so instrumental in setting up Israel.

 

The link isn't working by the

The link isn't working by the way.

Shocking excerpts from The Guardian article:

At least half of the shadow cabinet are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI), according to a Dispatches programme being screened on Channel 4. The programme-makers describe the CFI as "beyond doubt the most well- connected and probably the best funded of all Westminster lobbying groups".

Inside Britain's Israel Lobby claims that donations to the Conservative party "from all CFI members and their businesses add up to well over £10m over the last eight years". CFI has disputed the figure and called the film "deeply flawed".

The programme also describes how David Cameron allegedly accepted a £15,000 donation from Poju Zabludowicz, a Finnish billionaire who chairs Bicom (the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre). Zabludowizc, the film reveals, has business interests in an illegal West Bank settlement. He also gave £50,000 to Conservative Central Office. Zabludowicz says his contributions "are a matter of public record".

William Hague allegedly accepted personal donations from CFI board members totalling tens of thousands of pounds after being appointed shadow foreign secretary. More than £30,000 from CFI supporters went to the campaign funds of members of Cameron's team who were first elected in 2005, the film claims, using publicly available information.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/16/pro-israel-lobby-conserva...

 

Friends in high places

During an investigation lasting several months, we have been able to reach several important conclusions. We maintain there is indeed a pro-Israel lobby in Britain. It is extremely well-connected and well-funded, and works through all the main political parties.

For instance, Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) – once described by the famous Conservative politician and historian as "the largest organisation in western Europe dedicated to the cause of the people of Israel" – claims that 80% of all Tory MPs are members. The Labour Friends of Israel is equally formidable. In 2001, Jon Mendelsohn, a former chairman of LFI and now Gordon Brown's chief election fundraiser, was quoted in the Jerusalem Post as saying that "Zionism is pervasive in New Labour. It is automatic that Blair will come to Labour Friends of Israel meetings."

Since 2001, LFI has arranged more than 60 free trips to Israel for MPs. LFI and CFI trips account for an astonishing 13% of all funded trips abroad for MPs and candidates. That's more trips to Israel, with a population smaller than London's, than to any other country.

Furthermore, those in many sensitive foreign affairs, defence and intelligence posts in the Commons are often Labour or Conservative Friends of Israel. Mike Gapes, chair of the foreign affairs select committee, is a former deputy chair of the LFI. Kim Howells, chair of the intelligence and security committee (and a former Middle East minister), used to chair LFI. James Arbuthnot, chair of the powerful Commons defence select committee, is also the serving parliamentary chair of the CFI.

The Israel lobby is not afraid to use its political muscle. After Hague said Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006 was "disproportionate", there was an explosion among donors. Only a few weeks ago Hague, following CFI pressure, put out a statement demanding Britain reject the Goldstone resolution at the UN.

Meanwhile, a parallel operation is carried on against media organisations that criticise Israel's foreign policy. In particular, the Guardian and the BBC suffer from a barrage of complaints and emails, many from outside the UK. The BBC has proved unable to cope. As the culture secretary, Ben Bradshaw (a former BBC reporter), rather bravely remarked after director general Mark Thompson turned down a request from the Disasters Emergency Committee to broadcast a humanitarian appeal for Gaza: "I'm afraid the BBC has to stand up to the Israeli authorities occasionally. Israel has a long reputation for bullying the BBC."

It is important to say what we did not find. There is no conspiracy, and nothing resembling a conspiracy.

Yet, as we demonstrate in Dispatches on Monday night, the financial arrangements of a number of the organisations that form part of the pro-Israel lobby are by no means widely known. The pro-Israel lobby, in common with other lobbies, has every right to operate and indeed to flourish in Britain. But it needs to be far more open about how it is funded and what it does. This is partly because the present obscurity surrounding it can, paradoxically, give rise to conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact. But it is mainly because politics in a democracy should never take place behind closed doors. It should be out in the open for all to see.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/16/israel-friends-lobby...

 

Thanks for the link - now I know its bunkum

[We were shocked Cameron made no reference in his speech to the massive destruction it caused, or the 1,370 deaths that resulted, or for that matter the invasion itself. Indeed, our likely future prime minister went out of his way to praise Israel because it "strives to protect innocent life". This remark was not intended satirically.]

This single paragraph defines the program-maker as the sole arbiter of a moral standard. Once the program maker takes this stance then teh whole program is tainted by the pre-determined opinion and becomes a simple witch-hunt for an agenda we can guess at. This is a program called "Why Peter Osborne doesn't like Israel and is shocked that people don't share his opinion.

 

And another thing!

During The Lebanon War William Hague was critical of Israel for what he called a "disproportional response" so demonstrating the selective nature of the program maker

 

Looks like ISrael's paid web

Looks like ISrael's paid web units are out trying to smear the program...MUSLIMS WATCH IT AND MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP

 

Where is reporter impartiality?

It is blazingly obvious that any film-maker for the main broadcast channels has to show impartiality.

If Osborne attends a dinner and comments "I would have thought Cameron would have commented on the Gaza casualties" then its 100% obvious that this isn't a neutral reporter with an interest but a biased reporter with an agenda. It is a matter of record that WIlliam Hague commented severely on the actions of Israel during The Lebanon War and defensive war in Gaza. The Tory Front Bench has NOT been dulled by belonging to CFI - quite the opposite

I am almost certain there will be censure of this program for that very slip and the insinuations.

The program is going nowehere

 

The Zionists operate by

The Zionists operate by stealth, the fact that this has been released is a miracle.

 

I resolved then to ask the

I resolved then to ask the question: what led David Cameron to behave in the way he did at the CFI lunch at the Dorchester Hotel last June? What are the rules of British political behaviour which cause the Tory Party leader and his mass of MPs and parliamentary candidates to flock to the Friends of Israel lunch in the year of the Gaza invasion? And what are the rules of media discourse that ensure that such an event passes without notice?

On a personal note I should say that I have known both Stuart Polak and Robert Halfon for many years and always found them fair-minded and straightforward to deal with. Indeed in the summer of 2007 I went on a CFI trip to Israel led by Stuart Polak. No pressure was put on me, at the time or later, to write anything in favour of Israel. The trip, which was paid for by the CFI, certainly enabled me to understand much better the Israeli point of view. But we were presented with a very full spectrum of Israeli intellectual and political life, ranging from disturbingly far right pro-settler MPs to liberal intellectuals consumed with doubt about the morality of the Zionist state. The trip was also balanced to a certain extent by a meeting with a leading Palestinian businessman and with the British consul in East Jerusalem.

Nevertheless, the job of a political journalist is to try and explain how politics works. Ten years ago I exposed, in an article for The Spectator headlined “The man who owns the Tory Party”, the fact that the controversial offshore financier Michael Ashcroft was personally responsible for the financial survival of William Hague’s Conservatives. I asked how legitimate Michael Ashcroft’s contribution was, how much he spent, and did my best to investigate how he used his influence. Now I want to ask a question that has never been seriously addressed in the mainstream press: is there a Pro-Israel lobby in Britain, what does it do and what influence does it wield?

By James Jones and Peter Oborne

In 2007 two US academics, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, published a study of what they called the US Israel lobby, exploring in particular the connection between the domestic power of the lobby in the United States and US foreign policy. The book caused controversy in the United States and even in Britain.

No comparable study has ever been made in this country. Indeed the pro-Israel lobby is an almost completely unexplored topic. In 2002 The New Statesman ran a cover story “A Kosher Conspiracy?”, in which Dennis Sewell examined the groups and individuals which comprise the pro-Israel lobby. Sewell cited instances of journalists being pressured and even being accused of antisemitism, but concluded: “the truth is that the ‘Zionist lobby’ does exist, but is a clueless bunch.” The very mild piece involved little investigation and, if anything, played down the influence of the groups.

There was a very strong reaction to the story and to the front cover depicting a gold Star of David piercing a British flag. The magazine was denounced as being guilty of the “new anti-Semitism”. A group of activists calling themselves Action Against Anti-Semitism marched into the magazine’s offices demanding it print an apology. Soon, editor, Peter Wilby, felt the need to apologise: “We (or more precisely, I) got it wrong... [we] used images and words in such a way as to create unwittingly the impression that the New Statesman was following an antisemitic tradition that sees the Jews as a conspiracy piercing the heart of the nation.” Since this time no national publication has attempted to investigate the pro-Israel lobby head-on.

Making criticisms of Israel can give rise to accusations of antisemitism - a charge which any decent or reasonable person would assiduously seek to avoid. Furthermore most British newspaper groups – for example News International, Telegraph newspapers and the Express Group - have tended to take a pro-Israel line and have not always been an hospitable environment for those taking a critical look at Israeli foreign policy and influence. Finally, media critics of Israeli foreign policy – as we will vividly demonstrate in this pamphlet – can open themselves up to coordinated campaigns and denunciation.

Whether as a result of these pressures or for some other reason, mainstream political publishing in Britain tends simply to ignore Israeli influence. Andrew Marr’s Ruling Britannia: The Failure and Future of British Democracy contains not a single mention at all of either Israel or the Israel lobby. Nor does the Alan Clark’s The Tories, or Robert Blake’s The Conservative Party from Peel to Major.

Similarly the presence of an Israel lobby as a factor in British public life is systematically ignored in British reporting. For example, a search of the newspaper database Lexis Nexis showed there have been only 154 mentions of the Conservative Friends of Israel in the British press, the first of which was apparently on 22 September 1985. By contrast The Tobacco Manufacturers Association enjoyed 1,083 citations during the same period, and the Scotch Whisky Association no fewer than 2,895. The Conservative Party donor Michael Ashcroft has been the subject of 2,239 articles over the comparable time period, and the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers got over 3,000. The purpose of this pamphlet is to enquire whether this paucity of public coverage is indeed a reflection of the real influence of the pro-Israel lobby in British government. In our voyage of discovery we have interviewed MPs, leading Jewish intellectuals and academics, diplomats, newspaper editors and others.

However, many people just don’t want to speak out about the Israel lobby. So making our film at times felt like an impossible task. Privately we would be met with great enthusiasm and support. Everyone had a story to tell, it seemed. Once the subject of doing an interview was raised the tone changed; “Anything at all I can do to help…” quickly became “Well, obviously I couldn’t.” or “It wouldn’t be appropriate for me to.” Many people who privately voiced concerns about the influence of the lobby simply felt they had too much to lose by confronting it. One national newspaper editor told us, “that’s one lobby I’ve never dared to take on.” From MPs, to senior BBC journalists and representatives of Britain’s largest charities, the pattern became depressingly familiar. Material would come flooding out on the phone or in a meeting, but then days later an email would arrive to say that they would not be able to take part. Either after consultation with colleagues or consideration of the potential consequences, people pulled out.

Some had more reason than others. Jonathan Dimbleby had boldly expressed criticism in a powerfully argued article for Index on Censorship of the pressure from pro-Israel groups on the BBC, which led to the BBC Trust’s report on Jeremy Bowen, and had initially been keen to be involved. Suddenly his interest evaporated. There simply wasn’t the time, he said. At first we felt baffled and let down. But in due course we discovered that his comments had brought a complaint from the very same lawyer, Jonathan Turner of the Zionist Federation, that had complained about Jeremy Bowen. Dimbleby is now going through the exact same complaints process that he criticized. Turner is arguing that Dimbleby’s comments make him unfit to host the BBC’s Any Questions. The Dimbleby experience serves as a cautionary tale for anyone approaching this subject. Others, such as Sir John Tusa, who had opposed the BBC’s refusal to broadcast the Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza appeal, were overcome with modesty, feeling that they simply didn’t have the expertise to tackle the subject.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/peter-oborne-james-jones/pro-isr...

 

How they silence journalists!

Some journalists we spoke to had been accused of antisemitism, and felt inevitably it had done some damage to their careers. Others, like the BBC’s Orla Guerin, against whom this very serious and damaging charge has repeatedly been made by the Israeli government, wouldn’t even talk to us off the record. It is easy enough to see why. Guerin is a brave, honest and compassionate reporter. Yet the Israeli government has repeatedly complained to the BBC that Guerin is “antisemitic” and showed “total identification with the goals and methods of Palestinian terror groups.” On one occasion, in an appalling charge, they linked her reporting from the Middle East to the rise of antisemitic incidents in Britain.1 When Guerin was based in the Middle East in 2004, she filed a report about a sixteen year-old Palestinian would-be suicide bomber. Guerin said in the report that “this is a picture that Israel wants the world to see”, implying the Israelis were exploiting the boy for propaganda purposes. Natan Sharansky, a cabinet minister at the time, wrote a formal letter to the BBC accusing her of “such a gross double standards to the Jewish state, it is difficult to see Ms Guerin’s report as anything but antisemitic”. The following year, when Guerin was awarded with an MBE for her reporting, Sharansky said: “It is very sad that something as important as antisemitism is not taken into consideration when issuing this award, especially in Britain where the incidents of antisemitism are on the rise.”2 Officially sanctioned smears like this show why so many people shy away from confronting the influence of the Israel lobby.

The former Conservative Party chairman and shadow foreign secretary, Michael Ancram, who is standing down as an MP at the next general election, did have the courage to talk to us. He told us that he had been accused of antisemitism “because I’ve been talking to Hamas and Hezbollah. I just take that with a pinch of salt.” The accusation of antisemitism even touches the least likely of people. Antony Lerman, a man steeped in Jewish culture and history, who has worked for much of his career combating antisemitism, was labelled “a nasty anti-Semite” on a website designed to expose antisemitism on The Guardian’s website, for an article he wrote during the making of the film. He told us: “I think there are people who are deliberately manipulating the use of the term antisemitism because they do see that it’s useful in defending Israel.”

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/peter-oborne-james-jones/pro-isr...

 

Olga

Olga Guerin is totally anti-semitic as are many from the Republic of Ireland. She is no loger regarded as a neutral reporter, a good reporter maybe, but certainly not neutral.

As for the Gaurdian and the BBC - whoever believes what any of those two loony leftist organisations produce? People are far too intelligent to swallow the BBC's garbage these days and the Guardian is almost going out of business. Their days are past because they cannot steer a middle course. Anyone who has half a brain neither reads or listens to them apart fom the BBC viewers who do not have satellite news or computers.

 

We now know that the secret

We now know that the secret donors included funders of pro-Israel groups such as Trevor Chinn and Emmanuel Kaye. Levy had played a crucial role in persuading donors that Labour had changed. Blair told Levy, “I am absolutely determined that we must not go into the next election financially dependent on the trade unions.”15 Instead, Blair became financially dependent on large donors, some of whom had very strong views on Israel.

According to Levy, the subject of Israel was second only to fundraising in his conversations with Tony Blair. Levy is estimated to have raised over fifteen million pounds for Blair before the “cash for peerages” affair brought Levy’s fundraising to an end in the summer of 2006.

16 Indeed one well-regarded Times correspondent, Sam Kiley, took the extraordinary step of actually resigning from the paper because of interference with his work on the Middle East.17

In addition to the Murdoch press, the Telegraph Media Group and Express Newspapers have tended to support Israel. So has Associated Newspapers, though to a less obvious extent. There are, however, two important media organisations, which have consistently sought to report fairly from the Middle East and present the Palestinian point of view with equal force to the pro-Israeli government line. These are The Guardian and the BBC. These two organisations have been subjected to ceaseless pressure and at times harassment both from the Israeli government itself and from pressure groups.

This chapter will document some of this pressure by chronicling some of the campaigns mounted by the pro-Israel lobby against The Guardian and the BBC. We will then turn our attention to the pro-Israel media lobby groups, of which the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM) is by some distance the most important.

 

international campaign

However, the paper now finds itself at the centre of an international campaign accusing it of anti-Zionism and even antisemitism. Through much of the last decade, The Guardian has been in dispute with the Israeli government and in particular the combative Israeli Government press office director, Danny Seaman. In 2002, Seaman publicly boasted that he had forced The Guardian to move correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg after she had been transferred to Washington. “We simply boycotted them,” claimed Seaman, “the editorial boards got the message and replaced their people.”

 

I thought this passage from

I thought this passage from the pamphlet was just incredible and reveals the very intelligent thinking of the Conservative Friends of Israel lobby group. Streets ahead of any comparable Muslim organisations.

'On studying donations to Conservative Constituency offices before the 2005 election a pattern emerges. A group of donors, all with strong connections to pro-Israel groups, (almost all are on the board of the CFI) made donations of between £2,000 and £5,000 either personally or through their companies to the constituency offices of certain Conservative candidates.

The donors involved include Trevor Pears, a property magnate, who has sat on the BICOM board, used to sit on the CFI board, and has donated to Cameron in the past; Lord Steinberg, vice-president of Conservative Friends of Israel and sponsor of Stuart Polak in parliament; Michael Lewis, a South African businessman and deputy chairman of BICOM who was formerly on the Board of CFI; three or four other prominent members of the CFI. The method of donation – medium-sized sums to constituency offices often through companies rather than personal names – means that connections to the CFI or other pro-Israel group are by no means obvious. These donors may never have met the candidates, nor stepped foot, let alone actually live, in the constituency, but were happy to make donations. All candidates in these constituencies either won the seat or came close. Interestingly, in constituencies where the Conservative candidate stood little chance, the CFI made the £2,000 donation themselves.'

http://www.iengage.org.uk/home/1-news/634-peter-oborne-on-britains-pro-i...

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how scary is that 80% of Tory

how scary is that 80% of Tory MP's are CFI!

be afraid, be very afraid.

 

i wonder who the Tories who

i wonder who the Tories who were given the money by donors who have never set foot in their constituencies are

 

As long as Israel gives money

As long as Israel gives money behind the scenes there can be no real democracy. One man one vote is dead - the zionists killed it.

 

Could we possible have a list

Could we possible have a list of all Donors and organisation that support Israel. I will start the ball rolling - (Not So) honest reporting and Dixons. Don't be a Dick and shop somewhere esle

 

Please boycott Israeli goods, companies and donors

So that you may revert to the dark ages and your Golden Age.

 

You lot are like Luton Town

You all seem to be wingeing that Manchester United exists, with the best players, top money, vast support and success while you languish in the conference without two brass bobbins to rub together.

Sit back and admire a great team and look at what you will never be.

Bwahhhaaahaha!

 

What a stupid contribution.

What a stupid contribution. Seriously you are not doing us Israelis any favours. Please stop posting this rubbish.

 

Imitation >>> Flattery

If you guys are so smart and right about all the terrible things that the evil Zionists do, why do some of you feel the need to post messages in my name?

Seriously why would you want to besmirch my reputation by posting things which I would never say? Is it because you tacitly acknowledge that I am right and this is you last course of action? I don't know.

Then all the Zionists and those who support Zionism are accused of doing the very same thing. It just goes to show how pathetic you are and your inability to argue your own case demonstrates that you don't believe you are right.

 

Moron

Moron

 

BENT TORY AND LABOUR - CARRY ON PARTYING

THIS PROGRAMME SHOWED EVEN FURTHER HOW TOTALLY BENT OUR TORY AND LABOUR POLITICIANS ARE.

NOT CONTENT WITH FIDDLING EXPENSES, THESE MPS ARE SELLING BRITAIN'S SOUL TO THOSE WHO ARE CORRUPTING OUR DEMOCRACY, AND OUR VALUES.

ISRAELIS WILL SHOW THE CASH, IT TAKES OUR BENT POLITICAL MAIN PARTIES TO GRAB IT.

 

The importance of MPACUK

This documentary proves the importance of democratic engagement. If we don't engage then corruption and injustice prevails.

MPACUK has been right all along. The same way the Zionist community is organised and active in defending Israel's interests across the world. The Muslim community needs to be educated, organised and active against Zionism and oppression of all humans!

 

Wow!

That was a really insightful program that im now really happy to i managed to catch!

I did wonder at that time of the Lebanon invasion why Blair seemed to be happy to sit on his hands as the country was laid to waste....NOW WE ALL KNOW!

Most average Brits probably have no idea as to the strangle hold that pro-Israel lobby have over our MPs

But after what happened to the BBC reporters who where targeted by pro-israeli lobbyists i wonder what will happen to Peter Oborne after this show??

 

Ah, it was because Israel was being defeated

[I did wonder at that time of the Lebanon invasion why Blair seemed to be happy to sit on his hands as the country was laid to waste....NOW WE ALL KNOW]

You miss the real point. He was sitting on his hands while Israel was being defeated. I know that because posters here tell us so. Lebanon being "laid to waste" was a small price to pay for Israel's defeat. Its a good job a ceasefire was called otherwise Hezbollah would be eating chopped liver in a Tel Aviv cafe.

Bwahhhaaa!

You lot are REALLY confused. Maybe its because lies are always inconsistent.

 

PSC Lobby of MP's & PPC's

Make sure you mention this programme at any meeting you arrange with your MP or PPC.

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/Index7b.asp?m_id=1&l1_id=3&l2_id=51&Con...

 

David Blunkett is a loony

I never knew, but this man having been representative of an area that has more Yemenis than Jews in the whole of Yorkshire is a high official of Labour Friends of Israel. wtf?

The famous boxer Prince Naseem was from his constituency, yet he pays us back with this dirty collaboration. Blind by nature and blind by politics. The man has no common sense what so ever.

 

Why not set up a Pal or muslim lobby?

Just a thought seeing that the Joos used their finances set up lobbying groups why can't muslims and pro-palestinians do the same. It is not as if the Arabs have no money.

 

Because subverting a country

Because subverting a country is not what Muslims are about...

 

Squillions

Yes, the Arabs have lots of money but it is they who do not want to help Palestine. What Arab country will offer Palestinians residency and citizenship - NONE. They do not care about the Palestinians and never have, they are NIMBY Arabs who quite happily pander to the west and more than happy that the West pays for the Palestinians dole. Talk about Brotherhood and the Ummah!

And they are the ones that conquered and Islamicised areas like the Levant, but when they are no use to them now they have their own revenue source, the Palestinians are left to suffer. When the Caliphet was ruling all these people paid zakat to Islam, but now they can't they are thrown aside. Only the Democratic West pay taxes to keep the Palestinians alive, not the Organisation of Islamic Countries.

 

Big old barny on Guardian website

The Zionists are being roundly thrashed on the Guardian and Channel 4 sites. Yeaaaah

 

Your Lobby?

All you conspiracy lovers: Just thought you might like to know that there is another group that counts 120 MP's in its membership (that must be even more than CFI!!!) and has also sent a lot of MP's to Israel and the Occupied Territories on fact-finding missions. And the thing is, they're not even Zionists! They are called CAABU. On their website they even boast how they have got BBC News Online to change the wording of some of their articles (now where have I heard that before)? Take a look at their site for more info:
www.caabu.org

It's amazing how I uncovered this after 2 minutes research, yet the Dispatches team missed this after several months' research!

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