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Extremist Muslim Nut Talks About The EDL

Anjem Chaudory

The word 'extremist' is something not commonly used on the MPACUK site when referring to Muslims because it has now been hijacked by right wing racists and loaded with such Islamophobia that to use it would be endorse their narrative.

Exceptions must be made, however, when it comes to the biggest nut of them all, Anjem Choudary, who many believe was behind the Luton protests that gave the tabloids the ammunition to demonise us.

He has so readily and so often given anti-Muslim groups the propaganda coup to demonise Muslims that we urge him to fly to Saudi Arabia and live there. We know he will be waved off by thousands of Muslims if he decides to go and, as a sign of no hard feelings, MPACUK will do a campaign to raise the money for his ticket.

The King of Saudi Arabia will probably receive him with open arms.

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this is the kind of islam

this is the kind of islam that the EDL are protesting

 

You mean that is why they are

You mean that is why they are waving Israeli flags?

 

EDL respected the Israeli flag

I noticed that their Israeli flag is well-ironed and unburnt. How respectful the EDL are of other people's flags.

Looks kinda pretty - don't it?

 

Mr Choudary is a good Muslim

He has studied the Koran. He is an expert in Sharia. I believe his version of Islam is authentic. What is your problem with it?

 

That a Zionist pig like you

That a Zionist pig like you supports him should show us all whose side he is on.....

 

Who mentioned Zionism either in the posting or my response to it

Now can you please answer the following question:
In what way is Mr Chowdary not a good Muslim?

 

Because you support him PIG

Because you support him PIG which part of that do you not understand?

 

Sorry I do not understand your reasoning

Please tell me why Mr Chowdary is not a good Muslim.
I await a reply in which you are not frothing hatred from your mouth, and which you do not mention Zionism or pigs which have no relevance to this posting or this discussion.

 

Ok I will try to make it

Ok I will try to make it simply Mr Zionist, think of it like this...

If all the Turkeys in the farm get killed every Christmas apart from one, you can bet there is something up with that turkey....

You Mr zionist pig, seem to hate all the muslims bar this one... it tells any reasonable thinking person that - there must be something really suspect about this person.

A bit like the head of the BNP likeing a certain black guy..you start to ask yourself why that is?

Can you see how simple it is to spot Zionist PIGS agenda these days?

 

I never said I liked Mr Chowdary. I said he is a good Muslim.

Mr Chowdary is a good Muslim, he tells us why repeatedly:

1) He believes in Allah and in the rule of Allah, not the rule of man
2) He is expert in Shariah law and follows it and indeed is a Judge in the Sharia Court of the UK
3) He is a devout Muslim who follows all the pillars of Islam faithfully.

Now please tell me in which way you think Mr Chowdary is not a good Muslim.
And don't say it is because I said I liked him or supported him, because I never did.

 

Ok the thing is let us

Ok the thing is let us pretend i am not as stupid as other muslims you have met, and I can actually see your poor attempt at trying to direct this conversation to your own Zionist Islamaphobic muslim hating agenda...

i repeat...anyone you think is a 'good muslim'...is by default a fake one, since you are a Zionist ... how much clearer can i make it..

It is like Ariel Sharon the butcher saying ..i love Abdul the Palestinian...(in that case you may as well stick a big red sticker on Abdul's head saying TRAITOR PLEASE WATCH MY EVERY MOVE)

 

No Zionist or Islamophobic agenda at all sir

The topic of the post is Mr. Chowdary.

Not me, not Zionism, turkeys or Ariel Sharon.

I will word my question differently so it offends you less, but I bet you will not have the ability to answer it:

"What in Mr Chowdary's version of Islam is there to disagree with?"

 

The bit that Zionists love

The bit that Zionists love about him.....three guesses ;)

 

Can I just say here that I

Can I just say here that I think Kahn and Rashid are brilliant Muslims...

 

they are fantastic examples.

they are fantastic examples. so is choudry!

 

anjem the nut

interesting concept that you at Mpac are advocating sending someone to saudi arabia because you disagree with his point of view. i remember the same comments being made against anti iraq war commentators and anyone against the iraq war. radio host once told me to go and live in iraq if i didnt like what was happening.

is this not the same concept as the ones used by the BNP, EDL and other fascist groups. is this not the same concept that fascists use to vilify and advocate the removal and genocide of other races and ethnic groups.

what if saudi arabia doest want him. would you then GAS him???

Mpac are sometimes intellectually void.

 

If Saudi does not want him,

If Saudi does not want him, he can go to Tel Aviv...they love him!

 

Praise be given where it's

Praise be given where it's due. MPACUK (if only to show some semblance of balance) have condemned Choudary and that should be commended.

Now can you go on to condemn Hamas who are far worse than Choudary in every way? That would be a real step forward. Come on grow some balls MPAC.

 

I condemn Hamas!

I will speak on behalf of them ...'I condemn Hamas!.....................................................

for not kicking more zionist pigs arses than they already have done' :)

Happy - you told me to condemn them so i did!

 

anjem the nut

BB

you should move on from the genetic mental deformity that you have inherited and get some balance of justice and truth. just remember that on you death bed your whole life will be replayed back to you. and you will be shown to be a hypocrite and a liar. you will be shown to be a a person who closed their eyes to the truth. a person who closed their lips to the truth and a person who closed their ears to the truth and finally a person who closed their mind to the truth.

BB, you will not like what you see! and it will be too late to repent.

 

What the hell are you talking

What the hell are you talking about?

How am I a hypocrite and a liar?

Explain yourself before you start with the abuse and insults.

 

All anyone needs to do is go

All anyone needs to do is go back over your posts to see what a two faced liar you are, in every post you take a different argument but all follow a Islamaphobic hate theme...

Racists like you should be locked up...

 

No, I defend Zionism. You are

No, I defend Zionism. You are constantly attacking it. When your attacks become personal then I attack you back. Read back over every comment I have made and that is what you will find.

 

I have you are a muslim

I have you are a muslim hating racist...

 

For the millionth time:

WHAT RACE IS ISLAM????

 

Ask your mother ..

Ask your mother ..

 

the truth hurts

look in the mirror BB and the truth will hurt.

what kind of a person are you.

dont waste you time hanging on to lies and deceptions. you know the truth and cannot express it. you are indoctrinated just like asll the others. break out and find yourself. free yourself from the control. you can make a difference but you decide to be a sheep and move as the sheepdog commands.

you are lost in the wilderness of hypocracy and lies. you bb are an evolutionary zombie that has mutated to its current form.

 

wow. Thank you for that deep

wow. Thank you for that deep insight into my life. You're right! As of this moment I'm gonna convert to Islam.

You saved me tonight. How can I ever thank you???

 

You can thank him by killing

You can thank him by killing yourself before you convert

 

Do you wish death on everyone

Do you wish death on everyone who opposes your point of view or just me?

 

you still alive and

you still alive and talking?......

 

just you..... now get one

just you..... now get one with it!

 

Its intriguing to see the

Its intriguing to see the most extreme views which about when an article condemning a Muslim is actually produced.

Now I understand why MPACUK generally attacks Zionists. When any Muslim is even criticised at all- even the most extreme, the crazies come out.

Where is the website with Muslims who are actually mature enough to have a valid debate rather than abuse and insult at any given opportunity. Please could someone let me know.

 

muture debate

bb

trying to have a mature debate with you would be the same as trying to communicate with an amoeba. the evolutionary process has not been able to move you on from the one cell that incorporate your entity. if you want to have a debate with the truth then any time bb.

but you are a hypocrite and a denier of the truth. you and all the like minded liars like you have nothing to give to a conversation apart from the robotic script that you all speak from.

 

You claim I have a 'robotic

You claim I have a 'robotic script' yet it is in the comments of all the posters who regularly abuse me where we find the exact same words.

Zionazi, racist, Islamophobe, pig, liar, twisted, etc etc.

At least your most recent rant is somewhat original and I commend you for that. If you were however to address the comments I made regarding Choudhary and Hamas, then we could start with the mature debate.

Until then it will just be you abusing and insulting and me responding. It will be very tiring for both of us.

 

Oh stop talking you are going

Oh stop talking you are going off script again and they stop paying you money every time you do that....

 

Do you honestly believe I am

Do you honestly believe I am paid to do this?

If you do then you are as thick as pigshit. If you don't then why perpetuate the lie?

 

Bravo! ...those insults are

Bravo! ...those insults are like art work...

 

opposing point of view

bb

having an opposing point of view is a concept . the intellectual understanding of a situation and coming out with different opposing views.

your concept of a debate would be anything opposite to the truth. your concept of a debate is not a debate but an adventure in science fiction. anyone who debates you would be an idiot becuase you dont know the concept of truth. all you know are lies and hypocracy.

you are a lost cause. you have no points of view. all you have are lies. you couldnt have a conversation with a parrot or should i say that even a parrot will be offended with your presence and intellectual inadequacy .

you are corrupted to the point of no return. there is nothing to be gained by having a debate with you.

you should give up. as you can see so far we have not had a debate. as there is nothing to debate you about. you should now terminate you interactions with the world . no one now takes notice of you just as no one takes notice of aany of you .

everyone knows. the truth is out and its getiing bigger.

lies by their nature are bound to perish. your views are irrelevent.

 

Hilarious!

Yeah, no one takes any notice of BB and his views are irrelevant, no point in having a debate with him blah blah.

So that's why you made such a long and eloquent reply to him!

 

It has become clear that you

It has become clear that you don't wish to discuss anything of any substance with me, instead resorting to ridiculous insulting diatribes.

Ok I'll try and take a step back. Let's say THEORETICALLY that I didn't realise that I was lying and my comments were based on what I thought was the truth. I am the type of person who would not bother arguing if I knew I was lying- there would be no point.

So let's say that I am arguing with my knowledge (which you take as lies) and you are arguing with your knowledge (which I take as lies). Neither of us realise that the other is saying what they believe to be the truth.

However, your unwillingness to debate with me only gives me the impression that you do not have an argument. Any further insult and abuse further cements my idea that I am right and you are wrong.

The best way to change my mind would be to actually debate with me and prove me wrong.

 

you dont understand

bb

if you think that what you believe is the truth and if we are to believe that what you say you beleive to be the truth then all my points so far are correct.

amoeba -
sheep
robot
parrot

and all the other beautiful names that can describe you and all those that beilieve what you say is the truth. you need to be reprogrammed. its all over i tell you.

you have nothing to add to the debate. the debate will now happen without you.

your lies and hypocracy will now be ignored. your repetitions have been heard before and no one wants to hear it anymore

 

Have you ever considered that

Have you ever considered that you are the one who has been brainwashed and that you need deprogramming?

Only those who are able to freely question their own beliefs are able to obtain a clearer picture of reality. Are you willing to discuss important issues with an open mind?

 

bb

bb

you have missed the evolutionary process. there is a floor in darwins evidence and you bb , and all that spew out the repetative garbage are it. experiments need to be carried out to find out want went wrong.

no one wants to hear you any more. dont you see that everyone is switching off. you are a weak species that has failed to understand the environment and have now been superceded by the truth

 

and yet I can still

and yet I can still differentiate between "floor" and "flaw."

You are pathetic and your inability to do anything other than insult makes you unworthy to judge anyone.

 

You a scripted israeli troll

You a scripted israeli troll - who are you to talk..

 

I am neither scripted nor a

I am neither scripted nor a troll.

 

But you are a catamite. That

But you are a catamite. That you cannot deny.

 

You are calling me gay. lol.

You are calling me gay. lol. Why do you always bring the conversation to a schoolboy level.

Do you think I would not readily abuse and insult you back? I'm interested in discussing relevant issues, not getting into petty arguments, now fuck off.

 

Anonymous Kuffar

Anonymous Kuffar

what hilarious is that you dont get it

ha ha just proves my point

 

Extremism Or Freedom Fighter

It has been stated on this site and others that one man's extremist is another man's freedom fighter. So what is MPACUK?

 

doctors............

doctors............

 

Aren't the EDL just resisting

Aren't the EDL just resisting occupation?

Casuals United:
"FOOTBALL LADS AGAINST THE JIHADIS"

 

Jihadis...by that you mean

Jihadis...by that you mean resistance fighters? What has the EDL got against resistance fighters?

Oh sorry forgot they were a Zionist front, it all makes sense now..

 

Andy Choudray is extreme - but ....

... he is only presenting the Islamic way of life in its most fundamental form. He is obviously not reading from the same Koran and Hadiths as most other Muslims.

After 7/7, Blair said that the terrorists were acting on a "perversion of Islam".

Can anyone point me to the book(s) from which these non-mainstream interpretations of Islam derive so that I could study them.

Satanism for example, is a perversion of Christianity and I can source hundreds of books on Satanism. So, can someone provide me with the title of a book that the 7/7 terrorists and Andy Choudray are using.

Thanks!

 

So many misunderstanders! One

So many misunderstanders! One does indeed wonder where they get it from.

;)

 

TALMUD........

TALMUD........

 

Cow dung, please look at the

Cow dung, please look at the version he is looking at, it is called the TALMUD ...

 

I have stated on many

I have stated on many occasions who is anjum chowdhary,who elected him to be spokesman for the muslim community,when we have elected mps to represent us, we have mcb and mab to speak for our concerns and demands.
why does sky or other meida give this guy airtime to spew his venom other than to villify and demonise muslims by using this guys propaganda.
why not make a hardcore racist a representative of white people in england and show him as the view of english people.
The guy like his master bakri are assetts being used to villify and demonise the muslim community.

 

So who elected MPAC UK?

< have stated on many occasions who is anjum chowdhary,who elected him to be spokesman for the muslim community>

Precisely. The same must apply to MPAC UK, MCB, MAB etc.

 

MPACUK are more of a

MPACUK are more of a lobby/pressure group most of these types of groups are not elected like political parties anyway. MPACUK lobby Muslims and their organisations to get involved in the democratic political system and for accountable mosques and womens rights dont think you need to be elected to spread such a sound message.

 

Who elected the Jewish Board

Who elected the Jewish Board of Deputies? or AIPAC or the CST ???

 

Typical zionist twist in

Typical zionist twist in defence of anjum chowdary proves my point, they are assets to malign and villify muslims.

 

Playing into the hands of the far right

Doesn't this play straight into the hands of the far right organisations like the BNP/EDL etc?

An intelligent thought out strategy is required, and yet the entire muslim community will be represented by a few misguided individuals who will be seen as representatives of almost 2 million muslims in the UK.

Can't wait to see their brainwashed adherents turn up with kaffiyah's wrapped up across their faces, carrying identikit banners and the now regular burning of a flag or two.

Give the media and the far right exactly what they want boys...good on ya.

 

MI5 Anjum causing trouble again!

Fact is Anjum Choudry Al Muhajerun who number less than 50 nationally are so hated by the UK Muslim community that they have been banned from every mosque and have been chased and beaten up literally since the 1990’s especially in the North and they will never get support from UK Muslims (that’s why you never see them up North but that’s another whole topic altogether TJs know what im talking about). It’s a shame that this has not been publicised and very few people except Muslims are aware of this. People really need to know that the UK Muslim community have been fighting this tiny vociferous Minority for the last 15 years! Out of over a thousand mosques in the country they were only able to preach at one i.e. Finsbury Park Mosque and that was only after they physically beat up the trustees and took it over. Thankfully the mosque is now back with the trustees after successful legal action. That’s why they are always on the streets or talking to the media who lap it all up, Anjum Choudry is not even a trained qualified Islamic Scholar in fact he did law at uni before he became a looney.

Many Muslims believe they are MI5 agents used as a honey trap or agent provocateurs. Ask yourselves this, why is Anjum Choudry never arrested??? Why do high profile MPs call for action against them and then nothing happens and you never hear about it ever again? Why do they only pop up at the most opportune moments cause extreme offence and then disappear again? Why are they on first name terms with the media/journalists? Why are they portrayed as if they have support from and speak for the UK Muslim community? This whole outfit stinks!

 

You said it ...this chap is

You said it ...this chap is Mi5 alright ...

 

Dear Anjem.....

...... What Koran do you read and preach from?

Yours Sincerely,

Someone who wants to understand why your expression of Islam is upsetting Muslims and is different to what they believe.

BTW - I will assume by the ire directed towards you by fellow Muslims that none of them support the Taliban and would hope that they are soon defeated by the USA and Britain. After all, it does seem your version of Islam is Talibanesque and some seem to wish you harm.

 

A Serious Question For MPACUK Members Regarding Anjem Chowdary

Chowdary and his followers are holding a rally in Trafalgar Square on 31st October.

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/46-uk/352--procession-ma...

As you are so opposed to Chowdary, will MPACUK (or any other British Muslim organisation) be organising a opposing protest against him in Trafalgar Square on the day?

 

Muslim response

Muslims have been opposing muhajigoons for years, its just that the media never covers it.

They are despised by every section of the muslim community.

if you see the you tube vids by Luton Muslims u will see them challenging these goons on the streets and in public meetings.

 

MI5 Anjum

I know what you are saying is true i heard about this back in about 1998 where they had a few run-ins and scuffles with mosque committees who kicked them out! So they ended up on street corners with their wall paper decorating tables!

 

MI5 AGENTS

Everyone is begining to wake up and realise what is going on

Muhajigoons are a MI5 'plants' agent provocateurs they have been set up to demonise muslims.

why is anjem chaudary never arrested??

why is omar bakri never arrested and very conveniantly allowed to leave the UK and be positioned where he can hurt the Muslim community and the UK law agencies dont have to explain why they dont arrest him.

These two have been involved in setting up all the extremist groups in the UK

AND THEY ARE NEVER EVER ARRESTED.

WHY??

BECAUSE THEY ARE AGENTS.

 

BECAUSE THEY ARE AGENTS

What’s really weird is that so many Al Muhajerun seem to know all the journalists and they report their views as if they are speaking for all the Muslims of the country? Why do they do that? I mean how many actual members of Al Muhajerun are there hardly any (even fewer than the EDL) Also id like to know if anyone has had Al Muhajerun members lead salaat or preach in their mosques coz I have never seen them at any mosque do anything like that and I know why they’d get a hell of a beating quicker then they could shout BAKRI!!!!!

 

And MPAC UK??????

Well how many times have you seen Asghar and Zulfi on TV representing the views of Muslims as if they speak for all Muslims. They seem quite well-known to various TV media. Must mean they are Mi5 stooges then.

 

Does what it says on the tin!

I have seen them many times and they always seem to say the same thing on mostly all occasions which go along the lines of criticising Muslim organisations and groups and individuals Muslims so this hardly comes across as speaking for all Muslims! when they are criticising them for not getting involved in local/national politics and lobbying. Seems to me they are speaking for themselves as a lobby group. Does what it says on the tin!

 

Arrest

Possibly because the police have absolutely no proof that these two men set up these groups. Under british law some things are extremely difficult to prove and due to their tolerant laws free speech has not yet been suspended. Plus the fear of muslim retribution if they did arrest these men. Does your religion enjoy striking fear into the infidels and do you think the kufar respect Islam for this type of behaviour in a land that has given Islam refuge and work? Is this how you thank them?

Maybe Bakri and Choudray are just left alone to rant and rave so the ordinary Brit. will see them for what they are! The true face of lslam.

 

You guys are hilarious. First

You guys are hilarious.

First the BNP are zionists (zionazis) because they hate Muslims.

Then Anjem Choudary is also somehow Zionist because he is 'covertly' colluding to give Islam a bad name.

Forget the fact that both of these groups hate Jews.

Is there anyone who is against Islamism who isn't a Zionist???

 

Is there anyone who is

Is there anyone who is against Islamism who isn't a Zionist???

Erm....no, I don't think so. You're either with us or against us.

 

I have many friends who are

I have many friends who are against Islamism, Hindu, Christian even Muslim. That they wish for both Jews and Muslims to live in peace in Israel does not make them ZIonist however.

I don't believe it is a case of either/or

 

That'll be 6bn Zionists then

I think there is a huge group who couldn't give a flying fig either way.

Its interesting that no-one really bothered about Islam and Muslims until 9/11. Since then its been a steady increase in awareness promoted by Islamic Terrorism and its visits to places like New York, London, Madrid, Moscow, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Beslan, Bali, Egypt, Pakistan etc, etc. (that's a long list!)

Awareness too in the form of terrorism trials in the UK resulting in around 250 convictions for terrorism-related offences in the UK by Muslims since 9/11 (Home Office Statistics).

(Have I said anything inaccurate?)

 

No doubt some clown here wil post that the 250 convictions..

..were miscarriages of justice and frame-ups orchestrated by Zionists.

 

The Iraq war might be a good

The Iraq war might be a good start ..............

 

You sound like George W Bush.

You sound like George W Bush.

 

AAHHH The Moderate MPACUK Boys

I think everyone especially MPACUK might need to calm down just slightly and think about exactly what you are saying.

How can you be an organsiation representing Muslims interests when you are creating a very deep division amongst the community with blogs about one particular muslim?

Anjem Choudhury may have views which are extreme, but lets put them into context. He advocates using the Qur'an and sunnah into all policies in resolving Muslim problems. is that wrong?

He advocates that Britain should be a Muslim state. how is this wrong? Does MPACUK have a problem with this?

I am not a member of Al-Muhajiroun, but as a Muslim, i cant blindly ignor that in the future, Britan may become an islamic state, but i do not advocate killing and maiming kaffirs to get there. But why is what he says so amusing for MPACUK to absorbe.

MPACUK still hold false beleifs in their MP's and so called idiotic Muslim Cllrs up and down the country, when these poeploe are just a waste of space, just for name and fame.

Why doesn't MPACUK go and do their islamic duties and show how moderate they really are to their kaffir friends and tell the kuffar the truth, you owe your MP that at least don't you...

By the truth i mean examples such as this:

No kaffir will ever go to Jannah, they will burn in hell forever

That Jesus (is PBUH) will return and will break the crosses

Why do all the moderate types hide the truth from their Kaffir best friends. For once in your life tell your Kuffar best buddy that he will burn in hell and see if he treats you like his friend.

I think MPACUK should stop making themselves the leaders of the moderate movement when their moderate movement has so far failed to stop two wars, and 1000 others killed by Jews almost recently.

Wake up your Local MP just does not give a shit. And if you are lucky you will be an MP Like Shahid Malik and than act, speak and behave like a Kuffar, that you forgot why you were elected in the first place.

Anjem might be wrong in his apporach and that of his group, but lets not stray away from the truth, the government in this country do not care, they are not muslims, they will never care.

 

Ah finally, some truth

Ah finally, some truth telling. Thank you Ibrahim for your honesty.

Can't wait for Khan, Shan et al. to tell us this guys a Zionist.

 

Glen jenvey AKA ABUISLAM does

Glen jenvey AKA ABUISLAM does that ring a bell BB.

 

no. Please enlighten me.

no. Please enlighten me.

 

Is that sarcasm or do you

Is that sarcasm or do you only look up information that villifies muslims.
Glen jenvey went onto ummah website gave in a muslim sounding name ,then made threats about british jews like alan sugar and then went to the sun,look these islamic terorists are using ummah website to carry out terrorism.
the sun being the gutter press it is prints these lies in its paper.only to find out later it was glen jenvey himslef who put the remarks under the name of abuislam.

 

ok, so are you implying that

ok, so are you implying that this is the same thing?

 

BB first of all can you

BB first of all can you answer the question,was it sarcasm or do you only look up information that villifes muslims.

 

No, honestly it was not

No, honestly it was not sarcasm. I had read about it, but didn't immediately associate the name. when you explained it, I remembered.

 

BB since the commentor has

BB since the commentor has not responded to the points i raised,so it can be a case of another glen jenvey type scenario.

 

agreed

agreed

 

How predictable

Right on cue!

 

The TALMUD has a lot of

The TALMUD has a lot of things I want people to read ...

 

Change the record, why don't

Change the record, why don't you?

 

When you Zionist friends do,

When you Zionist friends do, let me know, I will change it to Barry Manalow and make you happy ..

 

Music is haram, don't you know that

And Barry Manilow being a Joooo makes it double haram. Bad boy!

 

So how will running your

So how will running your mouth of in a nonmuslim country help stop the slaughter of millions of muslims in iraq-afghan-palestine-chechnya or kashmir.
How will playing to the gallery stop the killings as mentioned,he and his ilk are here to justify oppressive laws that cannot be pased as british people in general are freedom loving people who wish to live in a open society not a police state.
so please do tell us how they help the 3 million muslims in practical terms by playing upto sterotypical types.
they glorified terrorism of 911 when they do not have a ounce of evidence as to who carried out the attacks,where they helping muslim by glorifying terrorism or playing into their masters hands by attempting to show muslims are supportive of terroism when birtish muslims did not.

 

Looks like someone let the

Looks like someone let the muslim nut into the room... "I am not Al Mahajaroun but i sound like them!" ..... how much do Mi5 pay you to talk crap?

 

Ibrahim broke the Taqiyya rules and spoke the truth

That's why you hate him so much

 

Ibrahim - its great that you have bravely said what you feel

Ahh! The "K" word!

Yes, please do tell. It stops that feeling of being let down later.

That is what we call a "Blood Libel". Please tell us all where we can find an incident where "and 1000 others killed by Jews almost recently." took place.

 

Gaza and Iraq

Gaza and Iraq

 

I see, a blood libel

If I get this correct your statement is "Jews killed thousands in Iraq and Gaza". Is that what YOU believe?

Strange because I don't recall "Jews" doing any such thing. I seem to remember Israel responding to attacks from Gaza and a coalition of forces operating in Iraq but I haven't seen any news reports saying that its "Jews" who are doing it.

Have there ever been any Islamic Terrorists who weren't Muslims? That would be a different matter.

 

Morons who dont think

No one knows which Islamic university or Bakri qualified from.

He has never proven that he has studied anywhere, no one knows who his teachers are, he has no ijaza.

We do know he went to the USA for a year before coming to the UK.

He then joined HT

he called for the banning of Islamic charities who are helping muslims.

Is this the statement of a Muslim scholar?

He claimed he was Shafee and used to attack Salafis, because he said they attacked the khilafah

HE REJECTED SALAFISM AND THEN WHEN IT SUITED HIM, HE BECAME A SALAFI AND STARTED QUOTING ALBANI ET EL.

Unlike Faisal al Jamikee, abu qatada, hamza al misri, abu izzideen, and the others Omar Bakri and Anjem chaudary have never been arrested.

ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF INTELLIGENCE WOULD WONDER WHY?????

 

Yes its all one big

Yes its all one big conspiracy against the Muslims, perpetrated by..........................you guessed it, the Zionists!

 

finally you worked it out -

finally you worked it out - BRILLIANT! - now go kill yourself like you promised us you would..

 

If Chowdary is a Zionist...

Why then will Muslims NOT be demonstating against Islam4UK when they hold their rally in Trafalgar Square on October 31st?

 

PIGS are zionist, Anjem is

PIGS are zionist, Anjem is not a pig just a bad person who probably takes money from people to do things he should not do...

 

Khan, you seem obsessed with pigs

I am wondering why.
I now I am one, but do I deserve to be the subject of your obsession?

 

Are you upset by the term?

Are you upset by the term?

 

No, I love being a pig. I

No, I love being a pig. I love eating pigs and I admire them as animals. And of course I am a special pig myself - a Zio Pig.

 

Then quit

Then quit whining..............

 

I never whined. I just made a pig noise.

And you secretly loved it!

 

You sick zionist piece of pig

You sick zionist piece of pig shit...

 

I'm loving it :)

Keep 'em coming!

 

Since you guys have a lot of

Since you guys have a lot of time on your hands lecturing muslims, why dont you do us a favour and take a day of on the 31st of october and visit trafalgar square.
propagating islam is done more better byt alking to people one to one then marching or demonstrating in trafalgar square, one more chance of getting maximum exposure to make sure the media gets its dose of muslim stereotypes.

 

"Why then will Muslims NOT be

"Why then will Muslims NOT be demonstating against Islam4UK"

errm becuase there are only 6 of them perhaps!!??? but because you belive what the Daily Star says you think he has 6 million supporters! Besides we have done our bit and kicked them out of all the mosques...actually we did not kick them out we never let them in in the first place! Now the government and police should arrest them (as they keep promising but nevre do) ohhh silly me i forgot they are paid by MI5! Oh well thats the end of that argument then! Carry on camping Anjum hope you are paying your taxes with your MI5 wages!

 

Do you kiss to your mother

Do you kiss to your mother with that mouth?

 

So sodomizing is better than

So sodomizing is better than kissing is it?

 

Depends what you're into, I

Depends what you're into, I guess...

 

I'm into white phosphorus

I'm into white phosphorus bombs, cluster bombs and paedophilia. Did I mention 3 year old brides? I am therefore a zionist.

 

Whatever turns you on mate.

Whatever turns you on mate.

 

Message for BB

Before you get banned, can you contact me on

pigsandapes@googlemail.com

Thanks!

 

Hi, well they stopped me

Hi, well they stopped me using the name BB. Do you really want me to contact you or was that a joke? If so why?

 

I did...

but I then cancelled that account as I did not want death threats etc.
Sorry 'bout that.
To all those who sent me abusive emails - you wasted your time.

 

Did I mention 3 year old brides?

I think you mean six year old brides who were raped at nine.

 

Anjem contradicts Quran

The Quran clearly states that Sharia is for Muslims only, and not for ham eaters. So please tell us what you are doing in hamsandwichesland asking why Shariah is not implemented?

Allah hates time wasters, and these people are big time time wasters!

 

Anjem has said that we are all born Muslim

I am not contradicting that Anjem is crazy but I believe he is so crazy to have said that all people are really Muslims who need to return to Islam (hence Shariah Law would be applicable) and that all land is Muslim land (said on Newsnight once).

The "ham-eaters" can't distinguish between a call for Shariah Law as the law that replaces our Judaeo-Christian law and ethic base and those who argue for more Shariah Courts.

 

Muslims DO believe that all people are really Muslims...

It is a mainstream belief in Islam that all people are born Muslim,
That is why Converts to Islam are named, and call themselves Reverts.

From www.missionislam.com:

Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim!

By: Umm Rashid

What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts ever-increasing numbers of people?

A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islam.

The fact that Islam. is the fastest growing religion in the world today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with -- from Adam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW].

Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world, and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nation’s fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11.

Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for “subjugating” and “oppressing” its female followers, the number of female reverts to Islam.outnumber the males 4:1!

The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islam., notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me.

How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of Islam. in spite of all the obstacles in the way?

The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding light -- a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that each baby is born tainted with the sin of Adam’s disobedience to God, Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws.

In his book The Fundamentals of Islamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips writes: Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold it to account for this religion.

When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road.

If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islam. in their old age.

The Qur'an also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is none other than Allah before they are born into the world.

When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.” (This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]

Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allah created Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him …then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them.

He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all replied: Yes, we testify to it.

Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.” [Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas, collected by Imaam Ahmad]

This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert instead of convert, because they are going back to their original nature -- the one they were naturally created with -- which is automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another.

Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts for adopting Islaam:

 

LOL my ISP won't let me

LOL my ISP won't let me access Islam4uk.com or missionislam.com.

Damn, I won't be converting today.........

 

******** TOP SECRET INFORMATION ********

Anjem Choudary is an agent of MI5, he is used to portray Muslims as a threat in order to continue government policies of war in Muslim countries, as well as incite division in society so people never focus their anger on the government, but on each other. This is why you see tribalism taking place in the not-so-United Kingdom (EDL vs Islamists etc). The new Islam4UK website is just another tool that the MI5 will use to cause further tensions between Muslims and Non-muslims in the UK.

It actually amazes me how no one could see the connection up to this point, even with his posh educated accent, his ability to walk around the streets without being attacked, his seemingly infinite amount of money to fund his subversive campaigns and roadshows, as well as the elephant in the room, the fact that no action is being taken against him.

I would urge people of all faiths to understand that you are being manipulated, by MI5, to hate 'the other'. Laugh at Choudary for what he is, a cartoon character, a Muslim bogeyman under your bed, a puppet which has been set up....... but focus on those who are pulling his strings.

 

That's absolute garbage

Chowdary is a devout Muslim who is only obey the rules of his religion.

 

Which religion is that? It

Which religion is that? It certainly isn't Islam...

 

MI5 Double Agent

Agreed. Various other so-called clerics have been exposed as MI5/MI6 Double Agents i.e.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1051304.ece

These MI5 agents are used as honey traps or agent provocateurs. Ask yourselves this, why is Anjum Choudary never arrested? Why do high profile MP's call for action against them and then nothing happens and you never hear about it ever again? Why do they only pop up at the most opportune moments, cause extreme offence and then disappear again? Why are they on first name terms with the media/journalists and receive premium coverage? Why are they portrayed as if they have support from and speak for the UK Muslim community? The whole outfit sticks out like a sore thumb!

The sooner the Muslim and Non-Muslim communities realise they are being manipulated, the sooner we can stand up together and take real action against the real culprits in our own government.

 

Maybe you are right, maybe

Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. But you cannot deny that there are high-profile Muslims who see wish to see the entire world come under Sharia law.

Can you acknowledge this much at least?

 

Choudary is under the

Choudary is under the influence of MI5, He is not acting on his religion at all... Muhammad is absolutely correct...

 

BB

BB

what are you doing?

all you have is blah blah blah. i asked you last night to terminate your interactions as you have no valid oppinions. i described the status you now hold in the world and yet you come back. you BB are a species about to go extinct.

after everything i said last night all you could come up with was that i had spelt flaw wrong at 2.30 in the morning. yes you are correct flaw is spely flaw and not floor as i had spelt it. give up bb your life is not worth living anymore. you are an intellectual empty space. scientists are now trying to work out what matter occupies this space.

give up and save these scientists the time and let them work on something useful to humanity. you and people like are no use to humanity. you have outlived your usefulness.

the only thing left for you is to be dug up by Palaeontologists a few million years from now.

 

Out of all the abuse I get on

Out of all the abuse I get on this site, I must say I love yours the best. I don't know if you go under any other names or not but I don't care either.

You bring a smile to my face and lighten up my day with these thoughtful and creative pieces of literature.

Bravo.Bravo.

 

BB

BB

this is not an adventure for your amusement. i am just assisting you to discover the truth and stop being a hypocrite. i have sympathy for you like i have sympathy for a trapped animal in a hunters snare.

you need to break loose and be honest with yourself. you are loosing the fight and have no power in your punches. you hit below the belt and evrybody is noticing. disqualification is just around the corner and you know it. hence your desparation and amusement at everything.

you are a virus that has now been vaccinated.

 

BB - better take that as a

BB - better take that as a warning as a prelude to being banned. Naughty!

 

First off someone has

First off someone has registered under the name of BB. I can only assume that they don't want BB posting anymore for some reason. hmmmm. Truth hurts?

Secondly, amusement isn't a sign I would normally associate with desperation. My amusement is really based on your increasingly creative attempts to stifle my arguments. I genuinely love your writing style (not the spelling mistakes tho! (losing not loosing)

Also a virus cannot be vaccinated. A person or animal can be vaccinated against a virus. Nevertheless tho, keep them coming. I love it!

Much better than zionazi, ziopig, zioblahblah etc etc.

 

I'd love to have your job.

I'd love to have your job. Easy money!
Just make some bullshit up and stick with it like a fly... simples!

 

Rope a Dope

As Muhammed Ali once described the ineffectiveness of his opponent.

BB propses many strong debating points and counter arguments which simply get abused as they hit home. Is abuse a speciality here?

 

BB the whole world will come

BB the whole world will come under sharia law when the whole world is following islam as a faith.
we belive that wil happen when Jesus peace be upon them comes back to complete his mission, which was to bring people to the way of islam.

 

Can you see how insulting this idea could be to Christians?

Jesus was born a Jew (yes - a hated Yahud) and his followers established Christianity.
The world will NEVER be under Sharia law.

 

I just had to reply...

...even though I had promised myself that I wouldn't respond to BB again. But this is just too good an opportunity for me to shwo others how Zionists work.

BB, no one is denying "that there are high-profile Muslims who see wish to see the entire world come under Sharia law". The point that many Muslims and organisations, including MPACUK on this thread, are making is that they are a very small, extreme, minority.

They have been given their "high-profile" by anti-Islamic media that wish to create more problems, that try to manipulate the image of MOST Muslims, by trying to depict them in the same image as these minority extremists.

I am sure there are also extremist Christians who would advocate sending "those foreigners back to where they come from" (at best, and at worst would encourage violence towards them). But these people are not given a high profile and neither are their rantings portrayed as that being of Christianity.

There are people who want to see the whole world come under Sharia Law, but they are an extremely small minority. Focusing on them and depicting ALL Muslims as being like them is the cause of a lot of tensions in this country.

How many Muslims have you heard say that Anjem Choudary represents them and speaks for them? Very few, if any. (Less than 100)

Who gives Anjem Choudary his "high-profile"? Western, anti-Islamic media.

I've acknowledged "that there are high-profile Muslims who see wish to see the entire world come under Sharia law".

Can you acknowledge that these people are not representative of the majority of Muslims and that their high profile is created and enouraged by anti-Islamic elements?

(My personal opinion is that you can't/won't, and the reason for that is because you yourself are one of thoe anti-Islamic elements.)

 

Mazin, it wasn't a test or a

Mazin, it wasn't a test or a twist in the argument. I was simply asking you to acknowledge this and you did.

Of course I can acknowledge that they don't represent the majority of Muslims. I agree that in the UK they are given unwarranted publicity, but is this for anti-Islamic reasons or is it because journalists thrive on sensationalism and it makes them very rich?

I wouldn't say that there is an anti-Islamic bias in the media (except the Daily Mail and other such piles of shit).

What I was referring to originally however, was high-profile Muslims in the middle east. In Islamic countries where there is no fear of appearing to be 'extremist' Leaders in Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Egypt for instance have all made it clear that this is their aim.

 

State Funded Muslim Schools

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a
safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel
stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling
does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need
could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their
culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by
which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school,
because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the
residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and
racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional
racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the
Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in
one of the royal places.

There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

 

Good bloke!

Tells it like it is.
No taqiyya for this guy.
The bit I like most is:
"There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school".

 

E-Mail to Nick Griffin at BNP

Dear Nick,

Have a look at the post at MPAC UK discussing Muslim Schools and schools where there is a Muslim majority with the comment "There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school".

Did Lee plant this one? Naughty! Naughty!

Yours,

A Concerned Citizen.

 

Spam. It's a screed that

Spam. It's a screed that turns up on a lot comment threads before getting torn to shreds.

 

MPACUK, BNP & The SUN

MPACUK, who the hell do you think you are? campaigning against individuals because you disagree with there views!

MPACUK, with this article, is becoming a subsidiary, editorially of The Sun and politically of the BNP !

What will it be net, campaign to send all the none whites back to ''where they came from''

I know, how about the Palestinens all move out of Palestine!

 

Are you therefore a supporter

Are you therefore a supporter of Anjem Choudary?

Mpacuk is attempting to distance itself from the views held by Choudary and this should be commended.

Would you also be against Mpacuk villifying Benjamin Netanyahu, or is it only when it conflicts with your opinions?

 

BOOO HOO MuhajGOONS

I love how MuhajiGOONS are crying like babies on this website.
There seems to be a huge consensus that this group is an MI5 set up, created to cause damage to Muslims.

There are robots who have joined the group to THICK to realise that.

But they are crying LIKE BIG BABIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE EXPOSING THEM,

THIS IS THE SAME GROUP THAT CALLS ANYONE AND EVERYONE KAFIR, MUNAFIQ AND OTHER ABUSIVE NAMES.

They state proudly that they are Takfiris.

AND THEY ARE INFACT BIG BABIES WHO CAN TAKE IT WHEN THE BOOT IS ON THE OTHER FOOT!!!

MuhajiGOONS GOVERNMENT AGENT PROVOCATEURS ENEMIES OF MUSLIMS EVERY WHERE!!!!

 

Anjem Choudary does not speak for the Muslim masses

Assalaam alaikum and Greetings

What I find disturbing is the press and media (and thus the mass population) think that Anjem Choudary represents the views of the ordinary Muslim citizens.

This is not surprising because

A) The media like to speak to "extremists" as their views are good for the front pages. Nothing like instilling fear into the population.

B) "Moderate" Muslims are not interested in speaking up about the extremist (and distorted) views. Probably sitting in Mosques listening to talks about trouser lengths, or watching indian movies, or working all the hours they have to by thier nth+1 house.

I think it is about time someone stood-up to the extremist views. If no Muslim group wishes to do this then let every Muslim do it on an individual basis by posting proper views on forums, blogs, and editors columns. Why rely upon groups when each one of us is reponsible of propagating the true (moderate) message of Islam.

We cannot allow extremists to air their views on TV or the press with headlines such as "freedom...go to hell", "another 7/7 on its way", "off with your heads" as this gives the anti-Islamists everything they need on a plate, courtesy of these mindless idiots.

In my opinion, Anjem Choudary does not represent Muslims any more than the BNP does not represent the UK population.

With respect to those contributors who believe that he (Anjem) speaks about the true version of Islam (implying that we 'moderate' Muslims are not true muslims at all), perhaps they should consider the views of extremist (orthodox) jews who consider the jews to be a superior race and everyone else is an insect. Perhaps they are true jews and every other jew is...well...not a true jew at all.

Wasalaams and Regards
Sultan (Oxford)

 

MI5 Anjum!

Fact is Anjum Choudry Al Muhajerun have been stopped by the Mulsim Community both individuals and groups! since the 1990's they have not been allowed in any mosque to preach thats why they hire out halls or hang around on streets they are nothing more than MI5 agents used as a honey trap or to cause trouble. We dont need to March against them they are so few in number. If everyone took this approach people would be marching everyday 10 times a day against every individual nut job going.

They are protected by 'freedom of speach' to say what they want and when they use this freedom the media blames the whole Muslim community and accuses us of wanting to destry the countrys freedoms! what a joke! it would be funny if it wasnt so serious!

 

Al Mujahiloons r coming out 4 G Wilders

I thought these guys were going to display banners calling for Sharia, but my sources tell me there is more placards with Geert Wilders name than Islam.

I think they are welcoming there homosexual brother from Holland. I wonder whether Anjem Choudary is a bottom :)

 

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

Yeh right, check this: Al Muhajiroon are so bad that whilst other muslims were sitting on their backsides doing jack, watching Eastenders, doing zina, going clubbin these big bad Al Muhajiroon were the only Muslims confronting this kaafir son of a ***** to his dirty kaafir face and telling him how it is.

OH MAN AL MUHAAJIROON ARE SO BAD - THEY DEFEND THE PROPHET'S HONOUR AND ISLAM'S HONOUR AND THROW SCORN AT HATERS AND ISLAMAPHOBES. SO BAD, SO REPREHENSIBLE.

GET REAL MATE!

 

So what they did they acheive

So what they did they acheive aaprt for the obvious, which is to further play to the steroetype of muslims as being loudmouthed whingers.
What diffrence did it make to geert wilders if they were holding up placards, he is hated by dutch mulsims and british muslims for hisi views, but do inform us what was acheived.
As for name calling others just goes to show, the glen jenvey factor should always be taken into account.

 

SHUT UP! LEAVE BROTHER ANJUM ALONE - HE'S ALRIGHT

SHUT UP! LEAVE BROTHER ANJUM ALONE - HE'S ALRIGHT

 

wow!!! this site is finally

wow!!!
this site is finally getting a lot of comments

 

Can someone from MPACUK please clarify

Can you explain how MPACUK's view differ from those of Anjem Chowdary? I have not found any explanation or analysis of this on your website. An straight answer without calling me a Zionist Pig or worse would be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

I can tell you. Both have the

I can tell you.

Both have the same views but one is implicit and one is explicit.

Can you guess which??

 

Sorry but I wanted a straight answer to a straight question

Is that impossible to get on this website???????

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