Muslim Elders Are Allowing Their Children To Be Attacked

City University Muslim students have been the victims of a series of Islamophobic confrontations which finally culminated in a vicious hate attack in which a gang of 30-35 youths surrounded Muslim students in all directions and attacked them with bricks and knives resulting in severe injuries to the victims including a fractured skull.
This is the result of the passivity and apathy of the elders of the Muslim community who have not educated the Muslim community as to what they can do in the face of ever increasing Islamophobia in the UK. Now their children are suffering the brutal consequences of their inactivity and their ignorance.
Our elders will soon pass away leaving the next generation to fend for themselves, without having taught them how to defend themselves, without having taught them how to empower themselves.
They will leave their children to the mercies of a world in which hate against Muslims is worsening. It is worsening because there are very few fighting against it. The few that are fighting are fighting without support from the rest of the Muslim community, the few who have shouldered the responsibility of an entire community and are struggling to remain upright under its weight while the rest of the community are lifeless, turned into apathetic machines by our Mosque leaders and elders who are failing in their duty to empower and activate them and neither will they allow anyone else to intervene, shutting people down and accusing them of having ‘no adaab’.
This is the result of those Mosque leaders who allowed the BNP to be elected claiming ‘no politics in the Mosque,’ allowing them to carry on their policies of hate that will make our children and grandchildren suffer. This is the result of those Mosque leaders who allowed the EDL to roam the streets of Britain sprouting their hate against their children and grandchildren.
Our Mosque leaders and elders, whom we look up to, to protect us, to guide us, to educate us, are failing and instead are leaving their children and grandchildren unprotected, uneducated, without any solution. Is this what we have come to expect from our elders? Is this what Muslims are allowing them to do?
When we ask our elders to protect us does that mean we have a lack of adaab? When we ask our elders to uphold their responsibilities does that mean we are causing fitnah? When we hold our elders to account does that mean we are unIslamic? What kind of twisted, bigoted logic have those, that defend our elders, created for themselves? This is the result of their bigoted logic.
Are our elders and those who defend them happy to see their children come home with fractured skulls and broken limbs after being stabbed and beaten up with shoes and sticks? Is this what they are leaving the next generation to after they pass away?
When are we going to hold them accountable? When will we see brave, educated men in our Mosques, educating our youth to the importance of political action and empowering them to protect and defend themselves and their community? Not to see them coming home broken and bruised.
When will we see the Muslim community holding them accountable and getting active? WHEN I ask you? WHEN? When more of our children come home beaten up by thugs?
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All sectarian violence must be condemned
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 7:45am.Jews, Asians, Black and White people all suffer from racial abuse and we should all condemn it unequivocally.
Islamophobia
Submitted by Anonymous Howard on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 8:15am.There's no such thing as Islamophobia. "Islam" is just a word. A sound that peoples vocal chords make. It's the "Actions" that the word causes people to carry out that frighten people. It's the equivalent
of being called a "Bombophobe" a "Medievalophobe" or a
"violent-expansionist-religionophobe." Islamophobia is a pseudnym
for common sense.
Are you from mars where the
Submitted by Annony on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:46pm.Are you from mars where the news doesnt reach anyone?
Mosque ''leaders''
Submitted by K. Urban on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 8:28am.''Our Mosque leaders and elders, whom we look up to, to protect us, to guide us, to educate us...."
Grovelling, arse-licking nonsense.
I don't look up to them.
They're too busy eating at the free restaurants that are the mosques, and praying for a good ''seat'' in the afterlife.
Meanwhile the kids are too busy having a good time like apprentice Arab princes.
Our Muslims need to sharpen up and fast.
Or keep getting shot and tortured around the world.
race attacks, blogs and the media
Submitted by mira nair on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 9:04am.This attack is awful and a direct result of the demonisation of Muslims in the media that is constant these days. We should get a lot smarter and not sink to their levels though.
www.thesamosa.co.uk has a good piece on this.
An attack against a group of Asians
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:15pm.What happened during the attack that proves this was an attack motivated and planned to be against Muslims and not just a racial attack?
Because only Muslim students
Submitted by Annony on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:45pm.Because only Muslim students were targeted...no other students were and the perpetrators shouted out things like 'get those Muslims'.
Strange
Submitted by Rob on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 9:13am.I wonder if there is any direct correlation between the perceived increase in islamophobia and the increase in muslim groups whining about their religion.
Rob so if someone whines
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 10:27am.Rob so if someone whines about things not being right then they should be attacked in similar fashion is what you seem to be implying.
since a lot of people who do not wish to work complain about there is no jobs what can i do or all the jobs been taken by foreigners, when told theres a job going , they start making excuses, should these people be given the same treatment.
Since homosexauls whine about being discriminated against should they be given the same treatment.
Since jewish people whine about anti-semtism should they be given the same treatment.
Since racists and bigots whine about too many coloureds live in britain and we should be a nation for whites only should they be given the same treatment.
I keenly await your response.
It's just a hobby.
Submitted by Rob on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:34am.Ah, so muslims whine simply because everyone else does it and muslims are so keen to fit in with the other groups you mentioned? The unemployed, gays, jews and racist bigots. Or do you feel that there should be attacks on members of these groups instead of on muslims?
I'm quite used to reading about the whines and complaints of pressure groups demanding that the government do something. MPAC seem to be expecting muslim mosques and muslim elders to do something about islamophobia too. I can't imagine what. An organisation that claims to promote empowerment through political participation is upset because mosques aren't doing something or other. MPAC is also claiming that because mosques aren't doing whatever it is then muslim children are being attacked.
MPAC seems to have a bit of an agenda. It's a political entity that is using islam in an attempt to become more powerful. And it is that way round. It's not helping islam, it's using it. Wonder what the prophet (pbuh) would think of that.
Rob you have failed to answer
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:37am.Rob you have failed to answer the points raised,do you feel that all the other groups who whine as mentioned deserve to be treated in the same way.
its not a hard question to answer.
Which religion whines a million times more than all the others?
Submitted by The Biggest Zionist In The Universe on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:44am.We all know the answer to that one, don't we.
must be one from your
Submitted by JJ on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:43pm.must be one from your background as you are the biggest whining prat on this website.
Answers.
Submitted by Rob on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:57am.Shan has failed to answer any questions. But since he is clearly incapable I won't insist that he does so as to spare him any further embarrassment.
In answer to his question, no, I don't feel that it's right to attack these groups with violence. It's certainly right to ignore their whining rather than pander to their pressure groups for more rights. Something else that they have in common with muslims.
Rob that was easy when you
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:34pm.Rob that was easy when you tried was it not,as to who has been embarrassed check your own comment and what you say now.
Your comment was challenged and you had to admit,no people who whine you feel should not be attacked.
So its better to think before typing.
So how come MPAC weren't able
Submitted by Optimus Prime on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 10:04am.So how come MPAC weren't able to stop this attack? What have MPAC done to help the guys were attacked.
What MPAC do is no different to what The Sun did earlier this week - when they issue of GB spelling the name of a dead soldier wrong and taped the conversation. Using an event to further themselves.
Muslims do not suffer from racial abuse
Submitted by Sister Fatima on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 10:37am.Because MUSLIMS ARE NOT A RACE.
Just like jews are not a race
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:34am.Just like jews are not a race either.
Jews are not a race either
Submitted by Sister Fatima on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:40am.But THE SUBJECT IS MUSLIMS, THEY ARE NOT A RACE.
CAN YOU NOT LEAVE THE JEWS OUT OF IT JUST FOR ONCE?
YOU ARE OBSESSED BY JEWS. WHY IS THIS?
Can you stop lecturing and
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:29pm.Can you stop lecturing and patrionising muslims and then tell us what we should or should not say.
You think you were being really smart by saying MUSLIMS ARE NOT A RACE, you got the response it required neither are jews.
Right! Jews are a single ethnic group
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:56pm.[You think you were being really smart by saying MUSLIMS ARE NOT A RACE, you got the response it required neither are jews.]
So, you conceded that Muslims aren't a race. Well Done!
Jews consist of several races - Arab, Caucasian, Asian, Black...
However, they also constitute a single ethnic group since Jews arise from a single geography (Israel) and are related by birth.
I realise that anything positive about Jews upsets you. Stay upset.
Cowpat jews are not only from
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 2:25pm.Cowpat jews are not only from israel and they do not have one lineage either.
Ashkenazi jews are not related by birth to sephardi jews,ashkenazi khazar jews did not hail from israel but what is called southern russia today.
so lets not get hypocritical here, muslims are not a single race neither are jews or sikhs,no amount of twisting will change this reality.
Still perpetuating the Khazar
Submitted by The Real BB on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 3:35pm.Still perpetuating the Khazar myth which has already been scientifically proven to be false are we Shan? Or do the Imams who told you these lies hold greater knowledge than mere science?
Shan you seem to be the only one trying to answer the valid points made by many people who dispute the constant villification of Jews and Zionists on this site. And you are doing a pretty piss poor job of it.
So are you BB-Cowpat and
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 4:10pm.So are you BB-Cowpat and sister Fatima as well or do you zionists work in a group attacking from left and right with diffrent angles.
Please do give us the evidence that Ashkenazi khazar jews are semitic people.
As for constant villficiation it is your fellow zionists jews who keep turning every blog in to muslims are this and that,further since you zionist jews are always commenting on mpac it gives credence that its zionist jews who constanly villfiy muslims.
if zionists do not like their views being challenged then go back to sites where you will be welcomed for your villfication of mulsims.
Shan is clearly nuts!
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 5:51pm.[Please do give us the evidence that Ashkenazi khazar jews are semitic people.]
Completely irrelevant! It isn't the concept of a "semitic people" that defines Jews its the single religion and the fact that the community exists by birth and not volunteering to join.
I can state for 100% fact that children born to European Jews can have a middle eastern appearance due to Sephardic genes becoming dominant even though the parents are classical Caucasian White Jews. I know one such person who has difficulty with his British passport because he looks slightly Arab.
I am pleased you so ably demonstrate the ignorance and bigotry so prevalent amongst some of your ilk.
[if zionists do not like their views being challenged then go back to sites where you will be welcomed for your villfication of mulsims.]
If Muslims can't stand their views being challenged then close down on free speech and go back to a registration only comments section. To some of you The Truth is like a stake to Satan's heart.
Cowpat i like to show up
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 6:06pm.Cowpat i like to show up zionist jews for what they are a bunch racist bigots whose main aim is to blame everything no muslims.
the fact that you get shown up for your hypocrisy is a indicator that you should stop lecturing others if you do want your lies exposed.
For the billionth time
Submitted by The Biggest Zionist In Th Universe on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 6:35pm.WHAT RACE IS ISLAM??
I WOULD REALLY LIKE SOMEONE TO TELL ME.
The same as JEWS or SIKHS.
Submitted by Shan on Sat, 14/11/2009 - 10:31am.The same as JEWS or SIKHS.
Dear Friends
Submitted by Q on Sat, 14/11/2009 - 10:59pm.Dear Friends,
In the silly argument about genetics you overlook one simple but awful fact. For Jews as an impotent minority among aggressive majorities rape of their women was common place. As in Bosnia and elsewhere rape was used to humilate and hurt.
It is my understanding that in the 17th C the Ashkenazi Jews passed a ruling called something like the "Judgement of Four Lands" that stated that the communities had the primary responsibility to care for the progeny of rape, it being so common at the time, and the children would be brought up as Jews. The consequence of this must mean that many European Jews have mixed genes.
But are we to say that these descendants of racist violence should be treated differently because of the crimes of others?
Also the Ashkenazi / Sephardi argument doesn't hold water. The orginal Jews in western Europe are Sephardi, and many have been very famous Heinrich Heine, Siegfried Sassoon. Also have Ashkenazi & Sephardi Jews remained sealed off from one another, is the fact that they have intermarried? Isn't the difference liturgical anyway and not ethnic.
Also dear friends, if genetics were to be the sole criteria many Palestinians would fall foul of it. While it is not widely known as the Ottoman Empire contracted many Muslims left their former homes in the Balkans across to the Caucasus and settled in the Levant. Across Beisan there is a significant Circassian community who are all descendents of immigrants.
Shan, Jews are protected by race laws. Muslims are not.
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:12pm.If you read the UK Law on Racism you will find that ethnic groups are classed as racial groups for the purpose of racial abuse,
Let me quote from The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 :-
"A racial group means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. The definition is wide and victims may come within the definition under more than one of the references. Gypsies and some travellers, refugees or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities would be included within this definition. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of a racial group [Mandla v Dowell-Lee [1983] 2 AC 548].
A religious group means a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief. This includes Muslims, Hindus and Christians, and different sects within a religion. It also includes people who do not hold any religious beliefs at all."
Its interesting that abuse towards "Israelis" (as would abuse towards The French, Italians etc) can be classed as racial hatred.
Jews are not a race but they ARE a single ethnicity as far as the Law is concerned.
Muslims are a Religious Group and not a racial group. The unfortunate attack was agaisnt Asians and NOT Muslims as a target. The target for the attack was not because they were Muslims. Hence it clearly isn't "Islamaphobia".
A similar attack against a group of Jews, if it were shown that the attack was BECAUSE they were Jews is clearly a racist attack (called Antisemitism).
Now have you got it?
Cowpat thankyou for being
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:26pm.Cowpat thankyou for being honest enough to say muslims are not protected.
This is the hypcrosy and double standards i have argued against, the government is allowing the muslim to be villfied to pass laws and deflect blame away from them.
Muslims are protected by Religious Incitement laws
Submitted by Anonymous CowPat on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 12:52pm.Shan is a truth bender. Muslims are protected equally as regards any attack and are also protected by Religious Incitement laws (which I did not quote).
Muslims (by definition) do not have parity with Jews and Sikhs under Race laws because they aren't a single ethnicity.
cowpat it seems my thanks
Submitted by Shan on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:39pm.cowpat it seems my thanks were misplaced, jews and sikhs are not single ethnic groups either.
Sikhs have diffrent ethnic groups so do jews,so who bends the truth or who is hypocrtiical can be gauged from the comments given.
The laws regarding hatre based on relgio nare not used in the same way race laws are,you can villify-demonise and ridicule mulsims and call it freedom of speech but the same cannot be said when race laws are applied.
the government has given the green light for muslims to be villified and demonised, otherwise newspapers and the media outlets would have been prosecuted for discrimination based on religion.
The atrocious attack was
Submitted by SKY on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:36pm.The atrocious attack was against these students for being Muslim hence the attack was Islamophobic. The Islamophobes were shouting out 'get those Muslims'.
I am sure you would like to deny Islamophobia but please do try to get your facts right once in a while. Anyone with a brain can see that hate against Muslims is prevalent and manufacturing in the form of such attacks.
They suffer from
Submitted by Roy on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:38pm.They suffer from Islamophobia.....hate of Muslims simply because of their religion. This was nothing short of a horrible Islamophobic attack.
Too simplistic
Submitted by colonel blimp on Mon, 16/11/2009 - 9:29pm.It is not your religion people hate, it is the ideology of your religion and the aggressiveness within it. Islam comes to a Christian country and not only demands its own laws but organises protests to ask for Sharia Law in Britain. Can't you see that the ordinary secular or religious Brit. is absolutely fed up pandering to muslims?You come from socially and economically deprived countries - countries that are muslim and then try to make your host country accept a failed ideology which has left those countries in desparate straits.
If Islam had just stuck to the 'Five Pillars' you would not have stirred up such resentment amongst the generally tolerant people of Britain. But you brought in these hate speakers and terrorists - you made your bed and now you have to lie in it, so stop playing the victim.
Why are you surprised that people hate Islam when you have made it so obvious that you consider Islam superior and that your ways should be the only way? The way that has left Islamic countries poverty stricken , lacking in human rights and which muslims flee from in their thousands every day. Get real, the world has moved on from the preaching of a seventh century warlord . What was acceptable in those days is highly unnacceptable in 2009 and we are fed up with muslims trying to drag us back to the stone age mentality of a desert Bedouin. If you want to follow his ways, go to Saudi Arabia and buy a camel.
Ok so a group of Black kids
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 11:37am.Ok so a group of Black kids beat up some Asians and it is the fault of the BNP and EDL??? Is there no end to their powers?!?!?! :o
Get your facts right....it
Submitted by SKY on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 1:29pm.Get your facts right....it was an Islamophobic attack by a bunch of black and white youth on Muslim students and yes the BNP and EDL are to blame for causing anti-Muslim sentiment to further their agenda, which is leading to such attacks.
Where Are Your Proposals?
Submitted by Q on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 2:30pm.Complaining that the elders don't do enough or anything sounds pathetic if you don't have any suggestions in respect of what they might do. In fact it sounds like a child who is unable to take responsibility and expects their parents to constantly intercede for them.
As Muslims and Jews face the same abusive assaults might it not be an idea to work with the Jewish CST to learn from them to protect the Muslim community? Collaboration might enable cross-working to increase collective security, it might also create a positive environment in which wider issues might be addressed and Jewish support for Muslims issues secured.
But then again this would probably be a non-starter as so many here fundamentally object to Jews. The chance of a positive relationship would go nowhere if the same defamatory statements that have been made on the MPACUK site are repeated.
Q ever so secretive about
Submitted by The Real BB on Fri, 13/11/2009 - 3:41pm.Q ever so secretive about your background. In my time (as a Jew) I have come to realise that when the religion of Islam at its core holds a deep hatred and resentment towards Jews there is litlle hope of the two communties ever holding close links.
Really?
Submitted by Q on Sat, 14/11/2009 - 10:44pm.I disagree with you on this. Most Muslims do not hate Jews, but few Muslims articulate the views of Muslims. There is of course resentment of Jews, but more accurately Zionists, simply because they have become the personification of the humiliation that Muslims have felt over the last century. But this resentment is rooted in an unsustainable self view that emanates from Muslim dominance for an extended period and justification for that dominance articulated in islam. This paradigm is no longer sustainable because the world has changed enormously in its perception of fundamental human rights, and Muslim nations no longer are politically / economically / militarily powerful. The barrier to progress sits in the failure to embark on an open and balanced internal debate about how society should be shaped and the power that the reactionary factions have.
If you look at Hamas's charter for instance, what it seeks to achieve is a reversion to position prior to the 19th C and the creation of a profoundly unequal society. However despite the seriousness of its ambition and the efforts ot puts into them, it has no chance of ever succeeding simply because it is impovershing Palestinian society with its activities.
In another area of society, look at how many Muslim societies dress up their boys as warriors of one kind or another on key events. These societies like to project themselves as being martial in nature. Yet the reality of the situation is that the societies are so dysfucntional that they are incapable of producing effective modern armies. Of course they have human resources to throw into battle, but they are profoundly ineffectual. The other side of this coin was, not so now, that Muslim societies looked down upon Jews as being weak and not of the warrior tradition. This mind-set laid the foundation for the Nakhba as the Arab states simply could not believe in their hearts that Jews could fight and be as cruel as Arabs portrayed themselves. But this was a very brittle self-perception that was shattered by Deir Yassin and caused absolute panic.
The barrier to progress remains the fundamental inability to come to terms with the changed world we live in and the failures of the past. Israel may be anachronistic, fascist, racist, etc etc etc. But we lack the will and resources to change the situation, and in fact we need the potential contribution of Israel for progress. We have to come to terms with this. However the potential benefits of acceptuing Israel's existance include reassembling the original Palestine through a 3 state economic confederation that could bring regional development and stability. But first we have to learn the lessons of the past and understand the real reasons for our failure.
Equally the Israelis must understand that they cannot retain the West Bank and that they cannot cite the Bible as justification for the settlements. Zionism has nothing do with Judaism as a religion and everything to do with the Jews as a national community.
BTW it is interesting to note that many of the so-called HR demands upon Israel are in fact continuations of the benefits of occupation and not fundamental universal human rights.
I agree with pretty much
Submitted by The Real BB on Sun, 15/11/2009 - 5:16pm.I agree with pretty much everything you have said here, however in that lengthy post you did not actually answer my post.
You are referring to Muslims as a people and applying historical and sociological factors to the situation. However my point was about the Hatred of Jews within the key texts of the religion itself.
I guess I could be described as Islamophobic (although it wouldn't be accurate terminology) dont't get me wrong, I don't hate Muslims. I don't think all Muslims are just terrorists in waiting. But I am scared the most sacred books of the Muslims are anti-Jew and this definitely filters through to the personalities of the Muslims, wherever they are and in whichever socilogical setting they are in.
Thus whilst it may be very offensive for me to insult the Islamic holy scriptures, it is not racist and it is in fact much more serious than a race problem.
But my point is essentially I was talking about the religion itself, rather than those who cimprise the religion.
An Answer??
Submitted by Q on Sun, 15/11/2009 - 11:24pm.Both Islam and Christianity sought validity via identification with Judaism, and while today Judaism is a minor influence 1000+ years ago it was not. The Mosaic Covenant was well known and the pseudo-democratic aspects of Judaism admired and feared in equal measure. We must not forget that Jews actively sought converts until about 1700 years ago. Jewish nationalism was something even the Romans feared for its fervour.
Unfortunately Judaism declined to share the "reforms" of both Christianity & Islam, and to be subsumed into them. Consequently Jews and Judaism attracted the ire of these new faiths. Jews rapidly acquired the role of the rejected of God as both Islam and Christianity asserted their final successor covenants.
Islam has yet to undergo the reforms that Christianity experienced in its second millenium onwards. Ultimately this will occur, and like the Christian experience it is likely to be violent, simply because dynamics within and without Islam will force it. Perhaps we are seeing the initial stages of this now as thousands upon thousands of Muslims are killed by Muslims under the guise of a range of claims.
As Arabs we have also been spared the horror and intensity of WW1 & 2, and thus we have not been brought to the abyss to stare into it and for many the violence is very distant and unreal. The "Arab Street" that marches and demands military action / total war has little understanding of what it might mean for them. They imagine that the horrors of Baghdad, Basra, Gaza and countless other places are similar to the intensity of the battles of the world wars. But imagine if the IDF launched against Cairo or Gaza the same bombing raids as the RAF launched against Hamburg, the outcome would be vastly different to what has recently occurred in Gaza. I have little doubt that the IAF has the capability to create a fire storm in Cairo or any other Arab city.
Our other problem is that we are ostensibly mono-cultural and there are few alternative voices within our boundaries. Non Muslims are effectively excluded from any meaningful roles and certainly are denied any significant power. Unlike multi-cultural Europe where dissent has a noble position in society, we have no equivalent. Speak out and if you're lucky you may simply be killed, or if you are unlucky imprisoned and tortured.
Expressions of anger and hatred towards the Jews and other non-Muslims are legitimate mechanisms for us to vent the pressure we experience of living in violent dictatorships. If the mobs storms through the street calling "Death to the Jews", they really mean "We are angry and frustrated with our lot". Our societies are abusive and the abused seek to abuse others to obtain relief.
Some years ago a survey in Egypt asked "which nation do you hate most?"& the answer was America. The same survey asked "where would you like to live?" & the answer was America. We have a slight problem that we have yet to resolve...
Do you know what the difference between the Israeli and Arab Armies is? Nothing at all they both consistently target Muslims and kill them.
SO TRUE!
Submitted by T.E. SAMAD on Sat, 14/11/2009 - 5:50pm.This is an excellent article that reflects the thoughts and beliefs that i and other Muslims have. I'm still waiting for major changes to take place in the British Muslim community and many other Muslims communities for that matter. Muslims the world over can't expect for things to get much better for us if many Muslims continue being the way they are. I'm still waiting for these major changes but sometimes, i think they may never come.