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British Jewish Groups Have Been Lobbying Hard

Richard Goldstone

British Jewish groups have been lobbying hard and with some success, for Britain to adopt a spoiling role in the UN over the Goldstone report. This is the report that exposed Israeli war crimes in Gaza to the world.

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Peace not possible with Zionist Jews

The goldstone report left out many crucial war crimes of the Zio-fascist Jews of Israel. Even so the hitlerian Fascists con’t acknowledge their monstrous crimes, in fact they are proud and arrogant for what they have committed. You are not dealing with normal people; they have lost their moral compass, if they ever had one. Meanwhile the illegal settlements continue to grow. Palestinians or anyone else from the globe cannot not have peace, unless these people are made to stop completely.

 

Moral Compass

Don't forget that the moral compass of suicide bombers, Muslim killers of Muslims, those who raped and killed children at Beslan, 7/7 bombers, 21/7 terrorists, 9/11, Bali, Madrid, Saudi et etc - is Islam.

And its the same moral compass of the Fort Hood Jihadi Shahid too!

 

Hilarious satire Mr. Saracen

Are you for real, or do you really believe the offensive Jew hating garbage that you spew?

 

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the secretary-general of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference) said last week: "What I would like to put on record is that the OIC was the initiator of this process [the Goldstone Report]."

The U.S. Congress voted 344 to 36 to condemn the OIC-initiated Goldstone Report.

Of the 36 who voted against condemning it, and the 30 who did not vote, eight are among the eleven Representatives listed in the book "Muslim Mafia" as the top recipients of Arab-Muslim cash.

As for the report itself, from the Washington Times (19th October):

"On a factual level, the Goldstone report is notoriously flawed and one-sided. Much of the 575-page document was cut and pasted from unsubstantiated and suspect reports from nongovernmental organizations with openly anti-Israel sentiments. Some of the "witnesses" interviewed by the mission were disguised Hamas officials. The fact that Hamas loves the report should raise eyebrows about its contents.
Even more troublingly is the report's fatal moral blind spot, which is ignoring the differences between Israel, a sovereign state, and Hamas, a terrorist organization. The Israeli armed forces are professional organizations governed by strict policies to limit civilian deaths during the conduct of war. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva conventions and respects the rights of noncombatants. After the conflict, Israel conducted some 100 investigations into reports of misconduct by its troops.

Killing civilians is central to Hamas' military doctrine. Hamas launched 7,000 rocket and mortar attacks on Israeli cities between the pullout from Gaza in 2005 and 2009. During the ground fighting in Gaza, Hamas routinely used mosques, schools and hospitals as military sites and employed civilians as human shields. Hamas exploited the chaos of the conflict to round up Palestinian political opponents, some of whom were crippled with shots to the legs, while others were reportedly executed.

There is no moral equality between Hamas and Israel any more than there is between al Qaeda and the United States. Yet under the Goldstone logic, terrorists and sovereign states are identical. The incidental, unintentional civilian deaths Israel caused during the Gaza conflict are condemned as war crimes; the widespread and intentional Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians are basically ignored. The Goldstone model makes it impossible for civilized states to strike effectively against the world's barbarians who are fighting a shadow war against decency that views innocent noncombatants as both legitimate targets and useful shields.

The United States voted against the report and will presumably use its veto power if action is taken before the Security Council...."

 

Hamas

Hamas are not terrorists they are the legitimate government who were democratically elected to govern Palestine in 2006.

 

A 'democratically-elected'

A 'democratically-elected' government which throws opponents from roof-tops and which doesn't uphold the principles of democracy isn't democratic.

 

Israel is the only free

Israel is the only free democracy in the midlde east we are lectured, runs people over with bulldozers,shoots journalists in the head and these are westerners i am talkig about.
what it does to palestinains is a evil that we do not wish on anyone and it has been ongoing for the last 60 years.
If to occupy-oppress-steal-murder-torture-sodomise-rape and daily humiliate fellow human beings is democracy then hitler will be rolling over in his grave thinking why didnt i think of using this democracy when i was invading and occuyping other nations.
Your attempts to play down the suffering of the palestinains leaves me with no doubt that you belong to the same group of people who downplay the suffering of jews during world war two.

 

Rape and sodomise, huh?

I wonder why your lurid and nasty fantasies include these two particular baseless claims. Have you ever thought of seeing a psychiatrist?

 

Palestinians self-infliction continues with stooges

Given the numerous opportunities for teh "Palestinians" to have peace and a state - ever since 1947 - then why have sympathy for people who are like the kid from the broken home. He broke it!

Supporters cry over casualties and deaths in Gaza and yet this was a self-infliction that the Palestinians could have avoided but instead jumped into with both feet!

If anyone took the trouble to evaluate the Palestinians today you will see a thriving economy in West Bank and Gazans who are anything but "starving".

I think the poster has repressed "rape and sodomy" fantsasies that they should play out with their boyfriend.

 

Now i understand the

Now i understand the mentality of those who deny the jewish suffering during world war two,as i am seeing their zionist counterparts who will deny the suffering of the palestinians at every point by blaming the palestinains for being occupied-murdered-tortured-ethncially cleansed-sodomised-raped and humiliated.
Btw when losing the argument never make personal rermarks as it is clear sign you have lost the debate and cannot make logical comments.

 

Sodomy & Rape Fantasy

Some of us very expreienced bloggers know the bluffer's poker hand when we see a weak comment like that.

What it REALLY means is an inverted projection that the person writing such a statement is actually the one with nowhere to go.

Now, remember, you are ALL on Blog Training and that was just a lesson for you.

Maybe you are better at the "sodomy & rape" you seem so keen on. I am serious about the Palestinians deliberately elongating their suffering by always failing to make peace.

 

Cowpat your denial of

Cowpat your denial of palestinians suffering once again illustrates the mentality of peope like you who deny th suffering of jews in world war two.
If we use your logic then a rapist, who when raping a women by force tells her stop fighting back,let me rape you and then ask her to put in writing that she has forgiven you, if she doesnt then you will rape her again and again.
you wish the palestinians to recognise the israelis right to ethnically cleanse them-murder them-torture them-sodomise them-rape them and humiliate them daily.
Only somone with a twisted and deviant mentality could make such demands.

 

Palestinians have a hard time - but its self-inflicted

Arabs could have accepted an independent state in 1948 but rejected it in favour of trying to talke it all.

They tried again in 1967.

THAT is what I justifiably call ""Self Infliction",

The deaths in Gaza were CLEARLY self-inflicted since Egypt warned Hamas that Israel would respond and that would result in deaths if they didn't stop firing rockets and missiles.

So, what did Hamas do? They said "Come on Israel, kill our people, we don't care, we will use them as martyrs. We will co-ordinate with UNHCR to get you for War Crimes and then we will try another way. The sympathy way.".

LOSERS ALL THE WAY!

 

"Now i understand the

"Now i understand the mentality of those who deny the jewish suffering during world war two"

You have always denied the suffering of Jews during WWII. But at least you understand your own mentality. Shan, you are a disgusting fraud who hides behind other Muslims' suffering. And you have a disturbing anal-rape obsession.

Can you explain why you think it is OK for the Jews to have suffered so much over the millennia? Did they deserve it? Come on, have some balls, get it off your chest.

 

INFIDEL care to show me one

INFIDEL care to show me one comment of mine where i deny the suffering of jews in world war two.
I can show plenty of comments by zionists who deny the sufferings of palestinians by blaming them for resisting israeli occupation.

 

Yes, Shan, I can. I already

Yes, Shan, I can. I already have. You said:

"Now i understand the mentality of those who deny the jewish suffering during world war two"

Pretty clear to me. They're your words. You must be a Satan-worshipper to come up with something like that.

 

Hamas War Crimes

Since Goldstone report cites Hamas firing rockets and missiles at Israel as a War Crime, and since Hamas have been doing that for 2-3 years then we have a situation where the UN has ignored Hamas War crimes for several years and only when Israel responds to those War Crimes does the UN then drag Israel into it. Israel was responding to continual Hamas War Crimes, clearly.

Also, Israel response was in proportional to the goal to stop barrages of Hamas rockets and missiles being fired at them. Cast Lead was an action against Hamas War Crimes by Goldstones own report.

 

Hamas supposed war crimes

HAMAS or someone fired rockets into Israel because when the truce came to an end Israel blocked all food and supplies into Gaza leaving the people to starve. Israel broke the truce not the Palestinians.

 

No!!!! The people of Gaza BROKE THE TRUCE!!

I really don't know why the myth of Israel breaking the truce persists. Its CLEARLY NOT TRUE!.

24th June 2008, two days after the truce came into effect:-

"Rockets 'violated Gaza ceasefire'"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7470530.stm

The fact that Israel let this incident go does NOT mean the truce wasn't immediately broken by the Palestinians. Now go and recalibrate

 

You're obviously right...

...and Mark Regev the Israeli government spokesman is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM

 

Mazin stop trying to use a

Mazin stop trying to use a video which CUTS OFF HALFWAY THROUGH THE INTERVIEW as evidence.

 

So the BBC is wrong?

The people of Gaza clearly broke the ceasefire on 28th June 2008 as reported by the BBC.

 

MPAC UK - Please keep your comments sections open

It occurs to me reading many comment threads that its MPAC UK vs Pro-Israel supporters.

Most of the comments seem to be pro-Israel while the threads are anti-Israel, The number of anti-Israel commenters seems to have dwindled and limited to simple hate rants rather than debate.

Maybe its because there isn't always substance to what MPAC UK throw up to discuss.

However, having an open comments policy is a brave one for which I commend you and its a useful contribution to free speech.

 

Yeah MPACUK, please keep the

Yeah MPACUK, please keep the comments section open. It's fun.

On the other hand you could just give up and close down the site. Yep, I think that would be better.

 

coming from cowpat that is

coming from cowpat that is really telling,just a few days ago when it was blogged that israel was paying people to blogg in its favour ,the idea was scoffed at, but cowpat by his own words has proven it was true israel pays people to blog in its favour,as he states most of the blogs are pro-israel.
The truth to a liar is and will be a rant.

 

Your logic is skewed and insane

Cowpat did not say any blogs were pro-Israel, s/he said that posts here were pro-Israel, and that statement did not include any admission that people were paid to post, or as you so quaintly put it "blog".

 

The truth to a liar is always

The truth to a liar is always insane and skewed, if you want to nitpick the word should have ended with bloggers,the fact that cowpat points out most bloggers are pro-israel proves what was discussed a few days ago.
the fact that zionists do their best ot deviate blogs away form their core, points to a concerted and orchestrated effort to turn the attention away from israeli crimes.

 

Free Blog Training for MPAC UK posters

Shan, look upon the pro-Israel commenters as your education. Look at how they don't launch into the crazy and brainless rhetoric of "sodomise, rape steal, kill, Hitler, Nazis" rants but calmly collect facts and counter arguments in order to illuminate the discussion.

What pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel posters lack is, quite frankly, Quality!

Perhaps you can learn from some of the posters here and in futire discussions will be more vibrant, educational and lacking in some of the vile abuse that some with limited vocabularies seem to indulge in.

 

The truth to deviant zionists

The truth to deviant zionists is crazy and brainless,as the truth is unable to undestand how one race can occupy another mans home by ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of men-women and children by killing-torturing-raping and mutilating the inhabitants from the lands they lived in for thousands of years and call them terrorists for resisting.
Only a twisted deviant can believe in that method,Btw in all the exchanges the ones using swears and words like fools-idiot brainless have been zionists.
I have noticed a underlying trend with zionists when they cannot win a debate logically they start making personal remarks and deviating it by stating muslims do this and islam says this.
If you wish to pedal your lies unchallenged then do not bother spreading your lies on mpac as they will be challenged.

 

I haven't noticed

I positively LOVE to be challenged - but it hasn't happened so far.

 

Different when the shoe is on the other foot

Shan - that is exactly what the Islamic armies did to the surrounding populations who dared stand against them in their bloody conquests. Oh - you forgot the slavery bit as per the Quran.

And as Islam has only existed for 1400 years your claim of thousands of years doesn't stand. You obviously are no history buff!

 

See? Palestinian death rate falls

I see, its getting better then. You wrote "millions" elsewhere. That simply shows you have absolutely no idea and no thought other than to repeat garbage and meaningless mantras. You can't even fix on a number. Talk about exageration and lies. Whoa!

Bwahhahhhaha! Lots of Muslims posing as "Zionists" then! Who introduced "rape & sodomy"?

You lost it big time baby! I don't think you will win "Palestinian Advocate of the Year" but you are in running for "Palestinian Stooge of The Year".

LOL!!

 

You're the liar

The issue is whether or not people are paid to post here. They are not and nothing Cowpat wrote indicated that they are. Cretin.

 

JL You are quite correct in

JL

You are quite correct in reminding us that Hamas is the legitimately elected government of the Palestinians - but then again so was Hitler in pre war Nazi Germany

 

There is a difference however.

The people of Germany weren't being occupied, oppressed and denied basic rights as well as being treated as second class citizens.

Hamas was legitimately elected and Israel and the West decided to punish the Palestinians for being democratic and having a free and fair election with no corruption. It seems like the West only wants democracy in Palestine if it delivers the kind of government that they and Israel want, and not what the Palestinians want.

 

I recognise Hamas as the legitimate authority for Gaza

Its just that they are a proscribe terrorists organisation and Fatah don't recognise them as a the legitimate and unified voice of the Palestinians.

You keep Hamas and there will be no peace deal because Hamas refuse to have a permanent peace based on a recognition of Israel and all previous agreements.

If you want Hamastan then have it. They KNOW that if they attack Israel today they will be well and truly battered. Something I don't think they have experienced yet.

 

Mazin " The people of

Mazin
" The people of Germany weren't being occupied, oppressed and denied basic rights as well as being treated as second class citizens ".

True all be it with the exception of Jews ,Gypsys, Communists ,Homosexuals etc who from the early 30s were classed as untermenschen [sub human ] .Thousands were thrown into concentration camps never to be seen again,and that was prior to the outbreak of war.
Thousands of mentally handicapped were dispatched through the euthanasia programme in order to facilitate Hitlers ideal of the Aryan master race.
In general I would say that' s a fair distance from your statement.
As for Palestine not delivering the kind of democracy that the West wants ,I would address that to the relatives of the Fatah members who were helped off the top of tall buildings - which incidentally and correct me if I'm wrong ,is the punishment for Apostates and Homosexuals as prescribed in the Quaran - during the violent takeover of Gaza in 2007

 

Mazin, I notice you disappear

Mazin, I notice you disappear when the going gets tough. Did you find out any more about "War is Deceit" or "taqqiya"?

And why are 'anti-Zionism' and anti-semitism near identical?

That was the other question. I guess that last one takes some answering, huh?

 

If Hamas had become the government

If Hamas had become the government then any possibility of peace would be finished for the next 50 years. Hamas wants to return to the pre-1856 position and to reverse Tanzimat - Khatt-i-Shariff - Hamayoun. They would have turned Palestine into a pariah state.
Hamas is incompetent as administrators, as corrupt as the worst of Fatah, incapable of reform, and committed to genocide and a brutal form of apartheid. Hamas can never be an effective government for Palestine as they are the tools of outsiders

 

Shut up you zionist stooge

Shut up you zionist stooge

 

Your assinine comments

Your assinine comments belie your own stand point.
Perhaps you might provide some informed riposte about the "true" nature of Hamas and the consequences that would follow if it became the government.
The Greater Israel Zionists do not need to spend money on conspiracies and propoganda when the likes of Hamas and their cheer-leaders (like you) are busy.
Get this through your skull, Hamas will not liberate Palestine, Hamas will not create a viable Palestine state even on a minscule part fo Palestine. Hamas will only ever deliver up dead Palestinians and Greater Israel.
Just ask yourself how many Jews has Hamas killed and how many Palestinians has Hamas killed. And then you will have your answer about the true nature of Hamas.

 

Hamas are Pariahs and Terrorists

Shan, your frends Hamas re clarly genocidal killers of both Jews and Muslims. They are basically MAD. Islamist Fundamentalit nutters living in centuries passed.

They delivered 1,400 dead peopel in Gaza to furher their aims and are known child killers.

To show support of a known terrorist group like Hama is against UK Law

 

Yes - there is a major difference

Free and fair elections where the opposition are thrown off roofs and "disappeared"? If that is what the Palestinians see as proper governance, I'm afraid the western democracies don't.

Could you see the British people turn their backs if Tony Blair had thrown a few Tories off a roof, or suddenly "disappeared" them? Can you not understand why governements such as Hamas are evil and how cowed many Palestinians are by their own inhumane Govt. let alone Israel?

It is horrifying to see what muslims consider as "acceptable" actions and even worse when one considers that they do it to brother muslims. It is only considered unacceptable if a non muslim were to do this to a mulsim.

"The people of Germany weren't being oppressed and denied their basic rights" - many of those Germans were Jews and they were being treated as second class citizens, oppressed and denied their human rights.

 

worse than hitler.

And so was Ariel Sharon the butcher of sabra and shatila - and he was real murdering pig, worse than hitler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWwkVfbY10

 

Its a great business to be in!

Ariel Sharon's Kosher Deli was World famous. He had two branches, Sabra and Shatila. His speciality was pressed beef and tongue. Had to leave because the Phalangists attacked the camps at Sabra & Shatila and killed most of his customers.

Ariel Sharon never laid a finger on anyone in Sabra & Shatila and certainly never killed any of the inhabitants.

What is HILARIOUS is that because many people in Sabra and Shatila camps were killed by the Phalangists and because Ariel had two butchers shops there they call him the Butcher of Sabra and Shatila and then people think they mean he actually killed people there. Doh!

 

The Need for a Proper & Balanced Investigation

There is a desperate need for a proper & balanced investigation into not only what occured in Gaza, but the entire issue of human rights & war crimes in the Israel Palestine conflict. Not only do we need to challenge the Israelis over their conduct, but also the Palestinian leadership. For too long we as a global collective have acquiesced to the repeated assertion that Palestinian violence directed almost exclusively towards civilians in a number of indescriminate acts is a legitimate act of resistance, while the Israeli violence is illegitimate. By doing this we create an incentive for groups to form a panapoly of independent militias whose actions can be denied by the political leadership. This situation creates inherent instability for a nascent nation state, and ulitmately makes the civilian political leadership hostages to the will of the militias.
Recent developments in the understanding of human rights appear to afford civilians who are part-time militia members the opportunity to prosecute war against an enemy at will and seek the protection of HR legislation simply by putting their weapons down and perhaps changing their clothes. This clearly exploits modern rules of war to the benefit of the resistance fighter/ guerilla/ terrorist.
A sixteen year old in civilian clothes who stands on a corner and via a walkie-talkie provides battle field intelligence to his sides armed forces is on one hand clearly a spy, but on the other a civilian minor to be provided full protection. If the default position is that civilians, especially women and minors are primarily non-combatants regardless of their actions, this then provides distinct incentive to political and military leadership to deploy or exploit them as tools of war. In fact we can see this tendency across the the Palestinian leadership.
To compund the above the funding of independent militias by other nation states that seek to use these forces as proxies in the achievemtn of their own political objectives is an issue that needs to be addressed. The coincidence between the rise in Hamas & Hezbollah violence and Iran's difficulties on the international and region political stages is striking. A Few days ago the Israelis intercepted a ship carrying weapons for Hezbollah from Iran. Yesterday the international news media stated that it appeared that Iran has been developing more advanced nuclear weapons systems than Iran has owned up to. Destabilisation of the Levant is being used by Iran, and Syria, as a distraction from their own misdeeds. If Hezbollah and Hamas are in relaity proxies for the Iran-Syria alliance should it be the case then in international law that Israel, or any other counbtry in the same position, be permitted to regard such acts of violence as defacto declarations of war by those nation states, and thus entitled to respond accordingly. IMO were the ICC to find that the actions of proxies do constitute an act of war, then I believe that we would see a rapid decline in the level of violence across the ME.
We need the ICC to conduct an investigation into these issues to obtain clarity and direction to determine the future course of international relations. But it must be clear that any of the nation states seeking Israels prosecution must themselves be subject to all the same international laws on human rights, and where they are not to submit themselves to the same judicial processes. If the ICC were to find that all and any persons not members of formally constituted national armies are to be afforded full or partial protection as civilians, it has consequences for all nations in respect of peace-keeping activities and counter-terrorism. IMO it would mean that USA & UK would need to be brought before the ICC, which many may welcome, but could act as a catalyst for both to withdraw from peace-keeping activities around the globe, and the entirety of NATO and other leading states would follow suit.

At this moment the Israelis and their supporters can dismiss Goldstone and the calls for ICC involvement as simply a political act by a number of nations states that do not measure up now or in the past to the same criteria they seek to apply to Israel. If on this basis Israel were to be taken to the ICC it would mark the end of any prospect for a negotiated settlement and the emergence of an independent and stable Palestinian state. It would also serve to further destablise the region by rewarding those militias, proxies and their sponsors.
The UN has called upon both Israel and Hamas to conduct investigations. While the Israelis have proven in the past that they are capable of this, there must be serious doubt aabout Hamas's will or capacity. What there should be on both sides of the divide is a period of soul searching and self-challenge about what is desired for the future. If the majority of Palestinians support Hamas and its political agenda, then sadly we must all accept decades of death and destruction. If the majority do not, then we must do all we can to support the development of a stable Palestinian nation state in which there is an absolute commitment to peace and an end to violence.

 

Im ok with Israel defending

Im ok with Israel defending its citizens against attack but the war last Dec-Jan was clearly an act of unnecessary aggression, Hamas as bad as they are were willing to continue the truce which they were obeying, this is according to the head of Shin Bet at the time Yuval Dishkin

 

Tell us on what date Hamas renewed the ceasefire

Hamas rocket fire was continuous and unceasing. They refused to renew a ceasefire even though Israel and Egypt asked them to.

 

They were willing to renew

They were willing to renew the ceasefire if Israel eased the blockade of Gaza which was a reasonable request, also there was a definite decrease in the amount of rockets launched from Gaza during the cease-fire,http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/ipc_e007.pdf

 

Boloney Moloney

What is there about the word "ceasefire" that you do not understand?

"cease" means STOP, not decrease.

 

According to Israels own

According to Israels own sources Hamas did stop their rocket fire, israel on the otherhand failed to lift the blockade of Gaza which according to the UN was causing a humanitarian crisis, if they did this Hamas according to Israeli intelligence sources said that the ceasefire could continue.

 

Hamas violated ceasefire six days after it started

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7470530.stm

Israel decided to ignore it for the purposes of hoping that it was just the Palestinians having difficulting giving up terrorism.

FACT - Hamas broke the ceasefire. Just because Israel tolerated it does not mean Hamas didn't break it.

 

The link you provided

The link you provided actually states that Islamic jihad not Hamas launched the rockets

 

Jewish Jihad Reigns Supreme

The difference is that while Muslims refuse to wake up from a deep coma induced by ignorance and cowardice, people such as the Milliibands and Co continue to be given important ministerial roles. The Jews instead are paranoid Muslim watchers even for small men:

Hardcore' Islamist gets top anti-terror post at Home Office
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21616/hardcore-islamist-gets-top-anti-...

Ever saw a Muslim paper outing appointed hardcore Jewish racists in Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems, BNP etc?

 

You love the Jooos, admit it, you love us!

You got da Jooos in your brain and they drive you insane!

 

British Juus eating with their hands

Here is a picture of the "best" jewish students enjoying food at Oxford University:
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v359/51/98/277001394/n277001...

Savages never change their colours except when they are taking public roles to push their racist agendas.

 

Wow, you really are a Jew hating lunatic

May Allah have mercy on you.

 

Bad eating habits

Just wanted to show you where your bad manners comes from. Eating with your hands while you play board games. Typical junkies pretending to be "educated" or "enlightened". What makes you better than Osama Bin Ladens drug addicted students?

 

You envy those Jews

You hate them for their cleverness and achievements. But most of all you hate them because they are free to act and live as they please. Unlike you.

 

Of course we are not free to

Of course we are not free to act you moron, the zionist pigs keep killing us!...ever heard of Gaza how free do you think they are?

 

So you personally are being killed by Zionist pigs?

Hilarious, dude.

 

Didn't he play for Spurs and Newcaste?

 

Free Gaza

The Gazans are as free as Hamas wants them to be. Trouble is, that when they are free they will lose the UN dole, better to play the victim card and sacrifice the odd thousand women and children every few years than to have to work for a living. Hamas, like Arafat, need to live in self-imprisonment so the leaders can stash away the billion the world gives them. So much for the "Ummah", they are just fundraising patsies filling up the Swiss bank accounts of those who have pummelled their way into power.

Besides, when they are "freed" they will end up in an even worse prison run by Islamic fundamentalists. Muslims can never be free, they always have to live under the "subjugation" of Allah.

Freedom is not a word in the Islamic dictionary! Freedom is only for the kuffar! You know it is true.

 

Actually eating with your

Actually eating with your hands is perfectly natural. What a remarkably asinine thing to say. Do you eat crisps with your hands?

ps. the girl on the left is pretty hot. I would. Just sayin.

 

You would think she is pretty

You would think she is pretty hot, but then again you think monkeys are pretty hot too.

 

Finger Food

So Cosa Nostra - muslims also eat with their hands (from the same plate, how unhygenic) but the major difference is that the Jews are enlightened and educate - unlike most muslims.

 

Well he won't have mercy on

Well he won't have mercy on you, you can trust me on that you ugly cow.

 

and you got the

and you got the mooooooooooooooooozlems on your brain...

 

Jewish Jihad?

Lol. Why are you transposing your most heinous religious acts on the Jewish community. There is no such thing as a Jewish Jihad, this concept goes against the very essence of our religion.

 

Answer the question scum racists

Why do you watch Muslims?

 

It goes against the very

It goes against the very essence of your religion,so whats with the occupation and ethnic cleansing of millions of palestinians from their homes and land ,which part of your religion told you to occupy-oppress and daily humiliate the palestinains people.
Unless of course you suggest that is the very essence of your religion.

 

where to start shan? where to

where to start shan? where to start?

Zionism always sought to reach an agreement with the people living in Palestine at the time. If those people had sought compromise, we would not be having this conversation right now.

What don't you understand about the fact that all the Arabs decided against allowing the Jews to live in peace in the region where they have lived for thousands of years?

They want to kill us all and they declare it on a regular basis ( memri.org) and you blame us for oppressing them? You ain't got your head screwed on mate.

 

BB the jews were already

BB the jews were already living in palestine before the zionists turned up.
I think we have been through this before, also memri tv was shown by a fellow blogger in our last debate to be run by israelis,so lets not use that as the standard of proof.
i once again reiterate that the only just solution is one nation for all, you can use your worst case scenarios but if done amicably south africa is there or all to see,the whites in south africa were not all killed or ethnically cleansed.
so the choice is yours BB as you stated you are a israeli, agree to live as one nation or face what all occupiers have to face before they end occupation.
Btw what is the essence of your religion if not what we see in palestine for the last 60 years.

 

1. The Jews were living there

1. The Jews were living there but were never in a position to be able to govern themselves, as any other nation of people can. Zionism was this wish put into action.

2. Memri may be run by Israelis, Jews or squirrels- it doesn't matter. All they do is translate Arabic television broadcasts into English. As long as the translation is correct, it doesn;t matter who translated it.

3. "the whites in south africa were not all killed or ethnically cleansed." Don't compare the Jews to the whites, as the Jews were in Israel thousands of years ago. Secondly the African population of SA doesn't want to kill all the whites, whereas both Hamas and Fatah which rule the Palestinians are committed to Israel's destruction.

 

BB still making excuses for

BB still making excuses for occupation of palestine,if you wanted a nation for jews only then, you should have done that where you were in the majority,not ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands and then claim to be a majority.
2.people under daily occupation and oppression will say things out of desparation in the never ending nightmare that has been their subjugation,if we show zionist crimes against palestinians 24/7 and say this is judaism, would we be correct.
3.The black south africans used the same languagesuch as white devils who had taken their lands and subjugated them to racist servitude,people on the street wanted to destroy the state,the state was the racist apartheid state,in the same way the palestinians wish to destroy the state that oppresses them, that state is the zionist racist state.
the black south africans were committed to the destruction of apartheid south africa in the same way palestinians are committed to the destruction of the racist zionist israeli state.
the palestinians have been in palestine for thouusands of years,so what right do ashkenazi european jews have in expelling them from the land they have resided in for thousands of years.
As i said before BB you are attempting to defend racism-ethnic cleansing and oppression, you cannot defend such things any longer,the only just solution is one nation for all.

 

No i am not attempting to

No i am not attempting to defend ethnic cleansing or oppression.

I am refuting those allegations as false. There is a difference.

 

BB so are you saying there

BB so are you saying there was no ethnic cleansing and there is no oppression of palestinains in occupied palestine, i ask for clarification as your comment implies you are saying the said did not and does not occur in occupied palestine.

 

Israel and our religion

As Israel's main settled population was Jewish from aprox. 1000 BCE right up through the 4c CE. that is to say long before the arrival of Islam, you will understand that Israel remains close to our heart, culture, religion and theology. We know Islam has a hard time with any other religion and makes a constant stuss about this situation but you'll just have to grow up, become much more tolerant and learn to live with it. As it is , the Arabs occupy a space twice the size of the continental United States. Enough, already.

 

The middle east is Arab land.

The middle east is Arab land. Jews and Christians are not welcome.

 

There are arab christians and

There are arab christians and semitic jews in the arab world,if you mean christian and jewish occupiers are not welcome then i agree with you.

 

Arab Jews and Christians are

Arab Jews and Christians are OK but no one else should be there.

 

Arab Jews and Christians

Precisely Come On - all the Arab muslims should go back to Arabia and leave the rest of the M.E. to the Christians and Jews whom you ethnically cleansed!

And to say Arab Jews and Christians are OK in the M.E.is the height of ignorance, day by day they are being picked off by the followers of the "religion of peace"

 

Definitions Pls

Can you kindly define exactly what constitutes an Arab Christian or Jew?
In light of intermarriage between Arabs and non-Arabs a clear definition is obviously required if the non-Arabs are to be expelled. If a non-Muslim person has an Arab mother and a non-Arab father is that person an Arab? Or an Arab father and a non-Arab mother? If a non-Muslim person whose ancestors were displaced Arabs and subsequent descendants intermarried only among their own community of displaced Arabs is that person an Arab regardless of passing of time between now and the moment of displacement?
It occurs to me that without such as definition some terrible injustices could be done.

 

Ownership/Colonisation

The Middle East is Arab land only because the Arabs conquered it in the 8th and 9th century from the Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish indiginents and Islamicised them.

Israel is Israel because the Jews and Christians recaptured it from the Ottoman Empire in early 1900. The muslims were given Arabia, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon. The Jews were given Israel. And noone tried to convert you or make you dhimmis.

What part of reconquest do you not understand and if Jews and muslims are not welcome in muslim lands, why on earth do you expect Christian/Jewish nations to make you welcome? Non muslims are still being persecuted, even killed in muslim countries. Western democracies do not persecute muslims in their nations.

You also make demands on behalf of your religion and ask that western Govts. finance these demands whilst non muslims would never obtain finance or religious rights in muslim countries.

It is all a one way street for you, isn't it? But at least the west is on the sunny side as shown by the number of muslims fleeing the shadow of Islamic rule.

 

Britain is Judaeo-Christian Land

So let me highlight your bigotry by writing the opposite statement

"Britain is Judaeo-Christian lands and Muslims aren't welcome"

It reads bad and racist, doesn't it. But its only the same as you wrote.

 

So tell me Anonymous Cowshit

So tell me Anonymous Cowshit sorry coward who was ther before the jews, if they come along and start stealing and recapturing their land because they have better weaponry and the backing of western civilisation will that be OK?

 

Millions

There you go again Shan - exagerating. There never were millions of Palestians, there never was a Palestine. And very few owned land, most rented from the Syrian and Turkish absentee landlords who then sold the lands to the Jews in the early 1900's. Fortunately the British did register the land owners in the Mandate which is why we know that many people claiming "Palestine" as their homeland are bogus. These millions of people you claim were thrown off the land exist only in the minds of the uneducated.

Around 650,000 Arabs left in the 1948 war - many of them were the Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians etc. who had moved to the Jewish area to work in the new industries set up by the Jews. There was huge migration towards the area we know know as Israel from the poverty stricken Arab lands. The Governor of Syria actually complained abot the thousands of Syrian Arabs who wre moving down south to find work.

Todays "Palestinian " refugees come from all over the Middle East - hundreds of thousands of Arabs moved to "Palestine" to join the UNRWA dole scheme, it was easier than working fo a living. A large majority of those in Gaza are Egyptians - the Egyptian Govt. used to send all its troublemakers to Gaza when Egypt occupied it.

Even today, any old Arab can turn up and sign on for UN benefit. Given the lack of jobs in Arab muslim countries many of these "Palestinians" are only there to get money donated by the rest of the western world.

 

Heinous act - Jihad? of

Heinous act - Jihad? of course it must be if Muslims do it as it means standing up to people like you, instead of letting people walk all over you.

 

Shan's Fantasies

I have challenged Shan on his 'rape and sodomy' claims before.

Since Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza there has not been a single case of rape or sodomy by Israeli soldiers of Palestinian citizens brought before the courts or even claimed by the many human rights organisations swarming the area.

The need to project and fantasize only makes the Palestinian cause look ridiculous.

Were the boot on the other foot, we know precisely what would happen. In every square inch of Palestine the Arab controlled after 1948 every single Jew was killed or expelled, including from the ancient Jewish quarter of Jerusalem.

 

Shan seems to LOVE "Rape & Sodomy"

Paul M, its obvious that Shan is projecting. He feels guilty (I suspect) that he has taken part in rape & sodomy (not sure whether giver or receiver).

He's a typical stooge or dupe for the Palestinian cause. When you have lost the game, hold no winning cards, have no hope of achieving your state without acknowledging a defeat by Israel then you will say absolutely anything at all to try and switch some moral high ground.

Palestinians are a headless bunch of losers who are now into self-harm to try and get sympathy. I feel sorry for teh Palestinian on the street because they have been abused and let down by their leaders. Now Abbas wants to ditch them.

There never has been such a thing as "Palestinian People" its a desire not a fact. Now there is no such thing as a single Palestinian voice or policy.

 

So does your mother

So does your mother

 

Yes Khan we ALREADY know you are a sicko

Is it REALLY a great advert for Islam that you have to state someone's mother likes "rape & sodomy". Have you no respect for women, sisters or mothers.

It does seem you are some sort of pervert judged by your comments. You might be dangerous. Seek help!

 

Cowpat as somone who supports

Cowpat as somone who supports ethnic cleansing-murder-torture-oppression-sodomy-rape-and daily humiliation of palestinians, you should seek profesional help for your own perverted hatred of palestinians.

 

Sodomy was Arafat's favourite

Everyone knows that Arafat was a homosexual who was filmed making out with his guards while in Romania. He also died of a disease that looks suspiciously like AIDS.

 

Paul m its been some time

Paul m its been some time since i saw your name crop up on mpac, if you do remember my answer to you was when the occupation ends then you shall see how many cases of sodomy and rapee come to light,at this moment the occupiers are the same criminals carrying out the sodomy and rape under the excuse called cavity searches in gulags when around ten thousand palestinian men-women and children are held for demanding freedom and liberty.
As anecdotal evidence i informed you if your president and top army personal cannot stop sexaully assualting or raping fellow jews ,what chance these goyims, the other fact was eastern european women lured to israel raped and sold into sexual slavery.
So you will get all your evidence it is matter of time, just like the full evdidence of nazi crimes came after theire defeat,so shall the ful lcrimes of zionists shall come to light after their defeat.

 

The death rate of Palestinians has dropped dramatically

Since the last stupid act of the Palestinians to invite an Israel response to the thousands of rockets and missiles from Gaza it is interesting and gratifying that the number of civilian casualties and deaths of Palestinians due to their terrorism has dramatically fallen.

I remove from this equation any terrorists killed by Israel response to rocket fire, 'work accidents' and collapsed tunnels. Why is this?

Because the Palestinians have learnt that they get nowhere with violence. Palestinians in the West Bank have learnt that by not sending suicide bombers to Israel then they don't get justified responses. The security barrier has resulted in calm in West Bank and they have an increasingly thriving economy.

Gazans have learnt that any rocket fire gets an immediate response from Israel.

Looks like the Palestinians have been tamed and perhaps made to see reason. Its good for everyone. If only they had leaders who could go the next step and negotiate peace.

 

Hey Cow shit you're here

Hey Cow shit you're here again, SHIT does get every where. For what isreal did in Gaza, isreal will never achieve peace. Isreal just created thousands and thousands more suicide bombers not just in gaza and the palestine but all around the world who are willing to die for the freedom of Palestine from the oppresion and tyrany of isreal.
We as muslims aren't afraid of death we embrace death especially death when fighting oppression. So bring all your sophisticated weaponry, DON'T LET THE MEDIA IN WHILST YOU SYSTEMATICALLY MURDER WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND OPPRESS THE REST OF PALESTINE rememeber theres 1.5billion muslims watching you and hating everything you do to the palestinian people. This will be the breading ground for future attacks on isreal until isreal will see that until we STOP OPPRESSING THE INNOCENT and change our pur policies the attacks will not stop.

 

2 points: 1. I'm fairly sure

2 points:

1. I'm fairly sure that the attacks started long before the 'oppression' which you speak of and perhaps you are ignoring the fact that the measures taken by Israel are all in reponse to these attacks and their danger towards innocent Israelis.

2. If you could spell as well as you hate, you could be on countdown.

 

Not afraid of death eh?

Well, how about dying and NOT taking innocent people with you. That would be the noble thing.

No murder took place. Get yourself a dictionary.

Wooooh!!!! Scared they not am! 1.5billio and you couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery for all that they have achieved in changing the conflict.

Ah, I see your problem. You can't speall Israel! That is your frustration, isn't it, no matter how many times you write it you can't spell it. Its like the Woody Allen scene where he hands over a note to a bank clerk "I've got a gub!".

"Hey, let's all attack Isreal" "Where is it Ahmed, its not in my sat nav innit" "Eh?"

 

Ok, i wrote the last blog in

Ok, i wrote the last blog in a rush without spell checking, i do have life unlike some people such as anonymous cowshit and his mates who seem to have nothing better to do then blog on a muslim site.

Talking of killing the innocent Lets look at the noble actions of Israel:
1400 palestinians killed in the recent atrocities the recent assault on Gaza. Out of which 60 - 70% were innocent women and children. Thousands wounded and made homeless. Schools, Hospitals and around 50 thousand homes of inncocent civilians destroyed.
UN camps with innocent refugees bombed by israel cowardly army.
Water and sanitation infrastructure destroyed etc. All this whilst the journalists of the world were not allowed to report from within Gaza because they might report the truth about the not so nobel actions of the IDF.
This is just one example - i could give you thousands of these examples of the innocent been slaughtered by ISRAEL. SABRA AND SHATILA 17000 DEAD ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ISRAEL'S ACTIONS BY THEIR FORMER PRIME MINISTER KILLING THE INNOCENT. Shall i carry on, i rather not it makes me sick and people like Anonymous Cowshit and Mr BB make me sick.

If you want to know what zionist are up to i suggest you read a book by Henry Ford called ' THE INTERNATIONAL JEW' the founder of FORD motors knew in the early 1900' what the zionist are up to. There was also another individual in the 1930's who knew what the zionist were trying to do in the world. i wonder who he was?

NOBEL the zionist don't know what the word means. NOW GO SHAG A PIG as i said to you before.

 

Ooh! We got Mr Dangerous Mad Mohammed with us tonite!

< in the recent atrocities >

There were no "atrocities".

Whilst tragic I say its irrelevant. I say that because this is a tragedy that Hamas deliberately precipitated. They could have stopped firing rockets and missiles (a War Crime according to Goldstone)

When? Why?

You haven't given ONE example of Palestinians "slaughtered by Israel" so how could you give us "thousands"?

Sharon never killed anyone at Sabra & Shatilla and neither did a single Israeli, Sheer fantasy. You've been told lies and you are repeating them.

< Henry Ford called ' THE INTERNATIONAL JEW' >

Until then I would put you down as simply "ignorant scum". Now I can call you "Ignorant Antisemitic Scum".

Its a dilemma isn't it? What's worse? A Pig or a nine year-old girl.

I think one is illegal and the other simply a minor sexual offence.

Ho Hum! Another one educated today!

 

Listen islamphobic sum back

Listen islamphobic sum back my name is salim not Ahmed or Mohammed. How dare you insult our prophet (pbuh) you know nothing about my religion especially the reasons and ethics and culture at the time of our prophet (pbuh). I will not stoop to your level scum bag, Moses, David, Jesus were great prophets too and to insult them is sinful to the extreme. So back off scum bag,

You did educate me today anonymous cowshit that you're a scummy islamaphobe who feels killing innocent women and children in gaza was irrelevant. You conveniently forgot the rest of Goldstones report where Isreal and its defence force are indicted for war crimes against humanity. Which by the way israel is trying to destroy the credibilty of because it speaks the truth. Sharon was implicated and charged by the UN with regards Sabra and shatilla you should read your history and killings continue in palestine. Thousands of prisoners held in prisons and tortured by israel without charge. In lebonan IDF killed innocent civilians again and then left millions of cluster bombs when Israel were defeated. I have no problems with the general jewish population but what the zionist regime is doing in the M.E is indefensible. Yet you scummy cowshit for brains still defend it SAD.

Your time will come one day mark my words enjoy it whilst it lasts.
BYE BYE SCUM BAG.
PS Let me what organisation you are working for, so i could write to them and let them know what a shit job of blogging you are doing on a muslim site.

 

Apologies to Slime for getting name wrong

Islam is as Islam Does.

Moses and David were great midfield players. I think you will find that they are also prophets of the Jews and Christians and if I want to suggest that you follow Moses and "Keep taking the tablets", I will.

"tragic but irrelevant" is what was written. Its irrelevant in the context of teh conflict since Hamas deliberately used Gazans as human shields.

If that is true and valid then Hamas have been carrying out War Crimes for many years before Israel was foced to deal with them. WHere was the UN when Hamas were committing War Crimes?

Read your history, he was never charged with killing anyone in Sabra & Shatila as many people falsely claim because THEY don't know history.

OK, so its free.

How come Res 1701 was introduced to save Hezbollah if Israel was "defeated"?

I doubt you can write anything coherent.

 

Cowpat so 60 years of

Cowpat so 60 years of occupation-murder-torture-ethnic cleansing-sodomy-rape and daily humiliation of palestinians is proof of judaism.
so judiasm is as judaism does.

 

Is 'sodomy-rape' a

Is 'sodomy-rape' a metaphor?

If indeed the case, then perhaps so too are 'occupation', 'murder' and 'ethnic-cleansing'.

Shan?

 

Yes? He's BEGGING for it!

[Is 'sodomy-rape' a metaphor?]

Either he's feeling guilty about an encounter or he's begging to be allowed to do it.

Next it will be under-age girls. "Can I call you Aisha?"

 

So it seems cowpat-infidel

So it seems cowpat-infidel and cowslip are the same as when cowpat is addressed infidel speaks,when infidel speaks cowslip speaks.
decide for yourself who you are first and then answer the point i raised, making personal remarks shows you have lost th argument and have nothing logical to say.

 

Hey anonymous cowshit i've

Hey anonymous cowshit i've told you back off scum bag. Don't go down the route of insulting our prophet and his wife's scum bag. It's highly disrespectful, you obviously know nothing about my religion so back off. YOU ARE AN ISLAMAPHOBE SPREADING LIESABOUT MY RELIGION IT'S CLEAR TO SEE.
YOU IGNORE THE COUNTLESS UN RESOLOUTIONS, THE GOLDSTONE REPORT THAT HAS INDICTED ISRAEL'S ACTIONS AS WAR CRIMES. It's no point arguing with you 'You're a sicko that will get your comeuppance one day.

 

'NO THANKS I'LL STICK MY

'NO THANKS I'LL STICK MY GREAT RELIGION ISLAM'. THE TRUE RELIGION, THE RELIGION THAT WITH GREATEST HUMAN BEING EVER OUR PROPHET (PBUH) WE FOLLOW WITHOUT QUESTION. We wil see who is correct when we leave this earth, don't say we didn't warn you.

I will not defend Hamas if they are attacking innocent people in israel with thier indiscriminate rocket attacks. However, you expect the people of palestine to sit and do nothing whilst ISRAEL steal their land, their homes, destroy their infrastructure and IDF kills them through indiscriminantely bombing them densley populated areas knowing that they will kill the innocent people too. You break every geneva conventions on war and even now ISRAEL refuges to allow basic material to rebuild their homes. I DON'T THINK SO MATE, the palestinians are like wounded tiger who will strike out with whatever they can.

I suggest you stop supporting such a regime MR COWPAT unless you are and islamaphobe as you seem to make yourself out to be.

 

17000 Dead in Sabra Shatilla???

Dear Salim,
Inflating the numbers killed in an attrocity may initially appear to serve a political objective to enrage a community and act as a catalyst for action. The highest figure ever quoted for the Sabra-Shatilla massacre is 3,500, and not 17,000. The only regional incident where the number fo victims was close to your quoted figure was the Hama massacre in which the Syrain military claim to have killed 18,000 civilians earlier in 1982.
There is a history of inflating numbers of victims in massacres starting with Deir Yassin. The objection of inflating the number has been to enrage the population and secure a desire for revenge. However as in Deir Yassin it served to do the exact opposite and caused panic and flight. In the more recent alleged Jenin Massacre the propoganda which secure temporary credibility with the UN & others served eventually to prfoundly damage the credibility of the pro-Palestinian camp and relationships with key stakeholders. Everytime an allegation of attrocity is found to be a fabrication or extreme exaggeration it makes us appear foolish and makes it harder to bring real issues to the attention of international bodies. equally every time a fabricated claims is made it undermines those within the Zionist camp who are fighting for an end of abuses.

P.S. Henry Ford subsequently withdrew the claims he made in his book "The International Jew" following demonstration that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is a forgery. Henry Ford's change of mind resulted in a significant loss of income and support for the racist right wing at a time when membership of the KKK stood at approximately 3 million.

 

ISRAELI IS A TURD THAT CANT BE POLISHED

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3638934/Second-class-ci... why do you think people will accept all the bullshit Israel exports on to the net via astro-robots like you?? You may feel a sense accomplisment with your spamming crap, but it doesnt change what the world sees and thinks of Israel. It is a racist state that kills babies. No amount of spamming will alter that reality, which despite your best efforts to supress in the main stream media still gets out. Just today we have the news of Israeli Rabbis publishinng books calling for babies to be killed. Before that it was incarceration of asylum seekers Before that it was selling human organs before that it was killing babies in Gaza before that it was killing children in Lebanon Before that it was killing peace activists and journalists. no amount of your bullshit trolling will change it!! YOU CANT POLISH THE TURD CALLED ISRAEL, THE WHOLE WORLD IS CAN SEE AND SMELL IT.

 

Hey look - its working!

joe, it seems that pro-Israeli comments here have exposed you as an antisemitic liar and "rage boy" and I guess that is the consequence we all know.

Tell some truth for a change and 'rage boy' will spout the most agressive and ober-the-top crap that people will see you for the quality of person you are. None!

Next it will be "look at the 30 fott War of The Worl robots Israel is sending into Gaza to scoop up babies. Look at the gas they spray from helicopters that are killing 5,000 Gazans a day" "What is the World doing? Nothing"

That's because we are watching the same film as you. We aren't so sick in the head that we invent these things.

Palestinians aren't suffering in the ways you fantasise.

 

cowpat do not worry when the

cowpat do not worry when the boot is on the other foot and the same treatment is meted out,to the occupying oppressors,we shall then ask whether what they are suffering is a fantasy or reality.

 

So when the occupation comes

So when the occupation comes to an end, the boot is on the other foot and the same treatment is meted out, Israelis can expect : "occupation-murder-torture-ethnic cleansing-sodomy-rape and daily humiliation."

Is that correct?

 

let cowpat answer the point i

let cowpat answer the point i raised,if you wish to join in then first let me know are the crimes i mentioned being carried out against the palestinians or not, then you will get a response.

 

TURD defeats the efforts of 1.8bn Muslims

You can see the frustration of this poster who has cracked under the pressure of being constantly losing to Israel.

Ah!! Diddums! (Wendy)

 

cowslip 1.8 million fully

cowslip 1.8 million fully armed muslims have not tried to defeat the racist zionist state,never mind 1.8 billion.
the day even egypt has a leader who is not a western stooge or vassal, then you will see how quickly things turn,never mind 1.8 billion.
centuires ago it was the invincible mongol hordes who oppressed and murdered humanity but they were defeated for the first time by egyptians.
ever wondered why america gives billions to egypt not to help the palestinians,the reason is egypt has shown you can be defeated.

 

1.2bn die in "friendly fire" accident

[cowslip 1.8 million fully armed muslims have not tried to defeat the racist zionist state,never mind 1.8 billion.]

I believe that the combined number of Muslims easily defeated in 1967 was well over 1.8m. So, you are wrong.

You are stoopid to think that military capability is measured by numbers. Its measured by military strength and the fact that Israel has tactical nukes.

You forget that any attack on Israel ALSO bring in the USA and allies.. My suggestion is to try and make peace and most of you would survive.

Still trying to find a reference to Israel being defeated by Egypt. You been playing some wacky Jihadi PC game?

 

cowslip as usual slipping in

cowslip as usual slipping in some more propaganda, 1.8 million fully armed muslims have never attacked the occupiers of palestine.
do you understand the term fully armed ,what you have so far seen is tokenism by arab leaders as they are all stooges themselves.
you did not answer the question as to why america pays egypt billions of dollars every year,the egyptians showe dyou can be defeated when they crossed the suez canal.
Tactical nuclear weapons will become useless when you face others who too have tactical nuclear weapons.
as isaid do not mention 1.8 billion muslims as 1.8 million fully armed are more than enough for the racist zionsit state.
america will not fight for you when the other side is fully armed with the capability to hit anywhere in the world in response to a attack on them.

 

not all at once please

1.8m peple shitting their pants at the same is an awful load of pollution.

the world will make sure that islamic terrorists don't get nukes

 

Cowslip still not answering

Cowslip still not answering the question why does america pay egypt billions of dollars.
As for nuclear weapons falling into terrorists hands ,they already have fallen into jewish terrorists hands.

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