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Jewish Attitudes Towards The MCB

Daud Abdullah from the Muslim Council of Britain

The Jewish Chronicle's recent poll shows that 92% of people who voted think that the Government should talk to the Muslim Council of Britain.

The results of the poll contradict an article on the Jewish Chronicle's website a few weeks ago which suggests that MCB are not qualified to advise the British Government. So who exactly would be suitable to speak to the government?

The Jewish Chronicle claim to reflect the opinions of all Jews, so who exactly are The Board of Deputies of British Jews representing when they are trying to lobby the Government to stay away from the MCB, and on what grounds?

Maybe it has little to do with the best interest of community cohesion and more to do with doing Israel's dirty work by making sure British Muslims are unfairly represented. Which Muslim organisation would the Zionists be happy for the Government to work with?

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'Jewish Attitudes'

The Jewish Chronicle and The Board of Deputies do not represent all Jews. I for one don't particularly care if the MCB advise the Government.

 

who should advise the government?

I think that Al Qaeda should advise the government directly.

 

They are, but in England they

They are, but in England they are called the Jewish Board of Deputies

 

OH man, you owe me a new

OH man, you owe me a new keyboard!! LOL!!

 

Now that Martin Bright is

Now that Martin Bright is Political Editor of the Jewish Chronicle, the attack on the MCB has really got going.

 

Judaism Highjacked

You have to feel sorry for Jewish people, their religion and culture has been highjacked by right wing lunatics.
They need to reclaim it.

 

Very good point.

When people who have no problems with Judaism, such as myself, attack the hijacked form of Judaism or Zionism or even the state of Israel, we get accused of attacking the whole religion, and are labelled as anti-Judaism.

I try not to use the term anti-Semitic, as it is usually used wrongly to imply anti-Jewish, when in fact, anti-Semitic could refer to Christians as well as Muslims, or even people of no faith. To be a Semite, you have to be a native of one of the many Semitic languages, of which Hebrew and Arabic are only two. Therefore, ALL arabs are Semites, regardless of religion, therefore it is wrong to use the term anti-Semitic to mean anti-Jew.

 

Mazin, you keep on making

Mazin, you keep on making this tired irrelevant point.

Yes, you are technically correct that a semite is one of many groups of people of which Jews and Arabs are two. However, the term anti-semitism was first coined in reference to Jewish people and ever since then, its main usage has been aimed towards Jews.

I don't understand why this point is so important to you.

 

It's important to him

because redefining the word Semite in another tool used to weaken Jewish identity. Just like the other accusation that Jews don't exist and that they really are Khazars.

 

My point is...

...it has nothing to do with Jewish identity.

Thank you for proving my case that the term is being redefined in favour of Jews.

 

Oh look everything is about

Oh look everything is about anti-semitism, nothing to do with your hatred for Muslims..stop playing the victim!

 

It is important to the

It is important to the debate, if you do not like it - shut up and go to the anti muslim hate sites that sent you here in the first place.

 

BB if a person calls a black

BB if a person calls a black person in america a N****r then the racist should be prosecuted but if he called a black person from africa a N**** r then according to you no offense should be taken and the racist has done nothing wrong as only black people in america can be offended by the word N****r.
This is what is being stated by you, jews do not have a copyright on the word semite, juts like they do not have a copy right on suffering and exile.

 

Shan, you misunderstand me. I

Shan, you misunderstand me.

I am not calling for exclusive use of the term reserved only for Jews.

I'm simply stating that the term anti-semitism has come to refer to Jews alone rather than all semitic peoples.

 

BB well its about time the

BB well its about time the word was revised as currently palestinians/arabs are being killed and oppressed, as semites they too need protection from anti-semites.

 

If Palestinians are attacked

If Palestinians are attacked by Israel, it can't be called an anti-semitic attack, because both groups are semitic.

An Islamophobic attack in the uk, if termed anti-semitic (which isn't necessarily correct- what if they were Indonesian Muslims?) could be construed as anti-semitism, but that would also lead to confusion.

The BNP can be said to be anti-semitic, since they hate both Jews and Arabs.

 

BB at least we agree on

BB at least we agree on something ,the Bnp hates jews and arabs,so we can say it is anti-semitism when nonsemites attack semites.
BTW BB i am sure the solution will be one nation for all, just like it was for centuries, it might be hard to overcome ingrained ideas or propaganda but it will be a reality.

 

I wish that idea were

I wish that idea were feasible- but there are millions of people committed to ridding the area of Jews. One nation for all sounds ideal, but when you realise that Arab birthrates are so high, the Jewish people in the country would become the minority and it would become another Arab state. The government could then take action to remove the Jews etc. like they have been removed in virtually every other Arab state.

 

BB since we are having a

BB since we are having a realistic debate, then lets honestly state the reason for the migration of jews from arab nations after the creation of israel,people left out of loyalty-fear and a better life.
I am a realist, some jews may have been attacked or feared attack but the vast majority left due to loyalty-better life and fear of persection fully aided by zionist propaganda.
the main fact is this happened after the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of palestinians,so there is hope that one day one nation for all will exist.

 

I refer you to this

I refer you to this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

You say ethnic cleansing, I say Israel was attacked by four countries the day after it declared independence- and won.

 

Semite or Non-Semite

The silly argument over the fundamental meaning of the term anti-semitism inadvertently raises further questions and shows how irrelevant the whole issue is.
The original Philistines of the Old Testament were not semites at all. They were Greek speaking sea-born nomads who had settled on the coast.
By the time of Jesus about half of the entire population of the region (modern day Palestine) spoke Koine Greek. Koine was the lingua-franca of the region. It was the Jews / Samaritans that spoke Aramaic. Hebrew had ceased to be a living language of daily discourse.
Not until the Arab Conquest did a semitic language become the dominant language again. Greek & Latin being confined to Christian communities for internal dialogue & relgion.
The reality is that the inhabitants of the region are descended from both Koine and Aramaic / Arabic speakers, but they speak semitic languages today. Semitic refers only to language and not ethnicity.
i.e. the Muslim, Christian and Jewish inhabitants of pre-WW1 Lesbos spoke Ladino. Ladino is a Jewish dialect of Spanish which was used by Jews in Islamic Spain. But the fact that all the pre-WW1 inhabitants spoke Ladino does not indicate their ethnicity, ancestry or religion, it merely reflects the linguistic dominance of Ladino at that time. Nowadays the descendants of those people speak Greek.

 

Definitions

Semite: Any one belonging to a group of both ancient AND modern people who are native speakers of any one of the many Semitic languages.

Semitic languages (main ones): Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya

Semitic languages (in order of most common): Arabic (422 million), Amharic (27 million), Tigrinya (6.7 million) and Hebrew (5 million).

The word semite (or semitic) has been used for thousands of years to refer to the ‘descendents’ of Shem, son of Noah. Therefore, the correct meaning of the word anti-Semitic, is someone who is opposed or against a member of the Semitic people.

The corruption of the term anti-Semitism started in 1879 by Wilhel Marr, a German Journalist, who published a leaflet entitled “The Victory of Germandom over Jewry” (60 years before Hitler, interesting point that the German hatred of Jews did not start with Hitler and the Nazis).

In modern usage, the term has been incorrectly used to mean anti-Jew. The Zionist movement and Israeli apologists and defenders, like to encourage the use of this incorrect term. The reason that this term is encouraged by them, is that it gives them special powers and privelages over any other religious hatred, already, in the UK, anti-Jewish crime is treated differently to any other religious crime. It also gives them leeway in order to use the term whenever it suits them. The term anti-Jewish, has been vehemently discouraged from being used as it is pins down the definition to exactly.

By any common sense and logic, anti-Jew or anti-Jewish, would mean someone who is opposed to the Jewish faith or the Jewish people. However, this cannot be used to label anyone who has nothing against either the Jewish faith or the Jewish people. By using the term anti-Semitic to mean something that it doesn’t, it allows anyone who criticises Israel, to be labelled anti-Semitic. In other words, if you express a political opinion against the state of Israel, just because it happens to be a Jewish state, you can be labelled as anti-Semitic. It would be a lot more difficult task to accuse someone of being anti-Jew, if their only objections are political.

This is why the term anti-Semitic has been encouraged and anti-Jew has been ignored and discouraged. Anti-Jew is a very goos and precise definition for what anti-Semitic purports to mean. It is a much better definition than anti-Semitic. But, it’s downfall is that it is TOO good a definition. It doesn’t allow for double meanings and incorrect usage.

I strongly recommend that all people who agree with me to start using the two terms properly, and to educate anyone else who incorrectly uses them.

Please be aware, Zionist posters will either try to attack this posting or belittle it. I strongly reccommend that you do your own research onto the origins of these words and come up with your own conclusions.

If you would like to read further about this, may I reccommend the following book:

BEYOND CHUTZPAH : ON THE MISUSE OF ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE ABUSE OF HISTORY
by Norman G Finkelstein

 

Response

Can you state when the term anti-semitism meaning hatred of peoples speaking semitic languages or descended from those that traditionally spoke those languages came into use?
It is my understanding that while there may well have been racism directed against people of "semitic" origin, "Antisemitismus" the word coined by Herr Marr in 1881 was used in exclusive reference to Jews. As Herr Marr coined the term can it therefore be said have been corrupted by him and others to mean anti-Jewish hatred if that is what they intended by it. The term itself may be inadequate as it provides for a much wider interpretation and perhaps what should have been used is Judeophobia or Misojudaism. For Herr Marr to have corrupted the term it must then have been in accepted use for a reasonable period prior to 1881.
Can you provide any evidence of anyone using the term before 1881?
Of course posters will belittle your comments, Zionist or otherwise, simply because despite your claims you have no evidence to back them up. You are unable to differentiate nor probably understand "Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet." from "Der Weg der Siege des Germanenthums uber des Judenthums", hence you get the date wrong.
Your error compounds itself by citing Finkelstein in apparent support of your argument which suggest that either you don't comprehend Finkelsteins assertions or that you are a charlatan.

 

Interesting that you think

Interesting that you think it's ok to comment on Jewish people and their religion here,when any Infidels posting here commenting on Muslim people and their religion are insulted in the most predictable manner.

 

Looks like BB is posting

Looks like BB is posting under another name again....

 

I resent that. I am always

I resent that. I am always BB. Classic trick making people think that numbers who dissent against this site are less numerous. There are many people who feel that the articles on this site are somehow allowing the Defamation of Zionists asa group.

I have never and will never change my name.

 

I think it is pretty obvious

I think it is pretty obvious that it is a very small team of people who make up the Zionist HASBARA comments on this site, and most people now know, they are most likely paid to do so as well.

To claim otherwise is just silly, and goes against the constant and mechanical way these posters behave, often scripted and always using the same techniques of propaganda.

the site is obviously anti-zionist, they hardly try to hide it do they. your job my guess is as well as others (though you will of course deny it) is to ensure that you stick to script and equate anti zionism with anti semitism...

 

Thank you!

That is exactly why I prefer to use the terms anti-Jew and anti-Zionist instead of anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitic is too much of a catch-all term and can be used to mean different things at different times. Mainly, it is used to smear those who cticise Israel or Zionism as haters of Jews or Judaism, which is far from the truth.

 

equivalence

anti zionism is the equivalent of anti sharia or anti caliphate
It's wrong to be anti Jew or anti Muslim, but it's OK to be anti zionism or anti caliphate or anti [insert any political aspect of islam]

 

The difference is ( and this

The difference is ( and this is where most people on here will probably disagree with me at best and claim that I'm a zionist pig snake dog ape at worst) is that the Jewish religion does not call for all other religions to be ruled over or wiped out. Islam explicitly calls for this.

 

Just goes to show, what i

Just goes to show, what i have stated for a long time, there are extremists in all communities be they muslims-christians-jews-hindus-buddhists-sikhs or atheists.
This just proves that zionist extremists are acting in their own interests and do not represent jews as a whole.

 

Shape shifting racists

This man called "Robert Spencer" is the best example of how Jews do their best to preserve themselves and abuse other people's faith:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/video-spencer-at-berlin-human-rights-r...

Apparently, he is a Christian who hates Muslims because of "Human Rights" violations. His ugly Ariel Sharon behind is the giveaway, but he continues to deny his Jew roots. It is only on rare occasions when you see him flying Jew flag as in this video he posted to his blog.

And today, we have the same Jews who conveniently appear to us as "Hindus". Glen Jenvey was a rude Hindu who thought doing few assignments for a sexy Hindu girl he met on facebook will help him get closer to her. Only problem was, a Jew man in his 40s opened a false profile on facebook with the name "Nina Shankra".

Makes you wonder how many poor souls are wasting their time on the new Nina?

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