The Zionist Scam That Most Muslim Groups Are Simply Too Stupid To Understand

1:08 pm, Tue 20 Apr 2010

OK. Imagine you get called a racist all the time. Even if you deny it, the average person will have some doubt about you for the simple reason that no one gets called something for no reason whatsoever – there must be something behind it, and if lots of people are calling you it, it’s probably true.

Well, normally that human logic is correct. Except that is, when it comes to the masters of human psychology and propaganda – the Zionists. They have understood the simple way the human mind draws this conclusion and have used it to devastating effect when confronting those that oppose them.

Speak up for Muslims and against Israel and the first thing you will be hit by is the slur ‘anti-Semite’. The reason is simple: the more they throw it around, the more doubt they create, thus the more chance that people will distance themselves from you and in short neutralise you as a threat that cannot get access to the people that matter. No one wants to be seen talking to a racist, right?

Thus, Zionists get lots of access and pro-Palestinian Muslims get none. The perfect gag with no clues left behind, no finger prints, no need to march, no need to burn flags, or riot to silence the opposition…. it’s almost genius.

Just look at our website and you will see this scam being played out right before your eyes. Every other comment tries to tie MPACUK into anti-Semitism, and for good reason too. They need to do it for their plan to work. Just watch over the next few weeks and months and notice how many of the Zionists posting here do exactly this. Now do the test over cyberspace. Type ‘MPACUK’ into Google and see how many Zionist sites are constantly monitoring and accusing us of this – get it yet?

It is a military machine, well financed and well organised. Anti-semitism is the propaganda weapon of choice and is used to destroy the credibility of any threat to Israel.

How many Muslim blogs and websites counter them? (That’s right – none. They’re still debating about perfect trouser length). In short, it’s one-way propaganda traffic - they win by default.

OK, that was lesson one … now for lesson two.

The other thing that most Muslims fall into is denial. Someone calls you a racist, so what’s the first thing you do? Say, ‘No, honest I’m not.’ Well, how long are you going to say that to a man whose job it is to slur you before people start to doubt if you are or not?

Muslim groups should not go into, ‘Sorry, honest I’m a good guy’ mode, because you can’t win that. It’s obvious that they will (unless you give up on Palestine) keep using the above tactic to silence you.

Actually, the best way is to go on the offensive and give the public the reason why they are slurring you.

OK, let me explain by giving you another example. Imagine someone calls you a racist. The average man now looks at you to justify it. At first you deny it, but then ten other people join in and call you a racist. How do you challenge that?

Well, in two ways. Firstly, Muslim groups should stand up for each other. As soon as one is targetted the Muslim groups, blogs, and activits should respond. (Muslim groups are normally too stupid to do this but perhaps a new generation of Muslim activist will learn). Secondly, get all of those people/groups to turn the attack on the people attacking you. So instead of denial, ‘Honestly, I’m not as evil as you are ALL saying I am, please trust me’, you use the exact same tactic as those slandering you. For example:

‘No, I’m not anti-Semitic, but you are Islamophobic and that’s why you are more interested in gagging me than listening to the legitimate concerns of the Palestinian and Muslim people, and slurring me is an old trick that Zionists have used against Muslims for some time now.’

The general public then has a reason why the attack against you occurred (a motive) and also a counterattack that needs to be justified by the opposing party and even the group that is behind these slurs.

The Jewish community, thanks to many of them adopting the evil political ideology of Zionism, has a large amount of Islamophobia and Muslim-hatred within it, far more than Muslims have an anti-Semitism problem (anger at Jews over Israel is not anti-Semitism). And yet you will never hear Jewish Zionists ever having to justify or face up to the rampant Islamophobia amongst them because Muslim groups are so cowardly in standing up for us. Instead, it is ignored as they go on the offensive and turn the tables on ‘our community’s anti-Semitism problem’.

Thus, this leads to the false belief that our community is inherently racist, which is a plain lie, and only widely circulated by Zionists to score propaganda wins against us.

Muslim groups must now stop either hiding or apologising and start to go on the offensive, else they will only end up looking like the guilty party, leaving our community demonised and without counter arguments, and soon enough we will all pay the price for it.

Good luck in convincing the backward Muslim groups about what to do, but on an individual level, you can now practice your new found advocacy – try it on the Zionists on this site. It should be interesting.

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88 comments

mpac's best yet!!!!!

Submitted by Shareef on Fri, 04/09/2009 - 10:40pm.

A truly brilliant article,
Even by mpacuk standards
YOu guys rock!!!!!
WE love you, the only group with 'bottle' to fight for the Ummah in an intelligent and practical way.

Pay attention brothers and sisters this article is spot on!!!!!

"Spot on" to the extent that

Submitted by Oh dear on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 9:02am.

"Spot on" to the extent that it exposes the basically racist underpinings of much of MPAC's discourse.

Article's point proven

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 4:08pm.

Label MPACUK racist without any attempt at justifying the label.

@SHAFIQ

Submitted by Joe on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 4:47pm.

Shafiq be quite and wave the Israeli flag, or you are ........* takes deep breath for official line*.........."an anti-semitic holocaust denying nazi"

phew.

Israeli baby killing scum ghouls are creating anti-semitism by using the star of judaism to represent their ghoulish activities.
Killing people to steal their organs, blessed by rabbis, that probably makes the devil shudder.

I can just imagine even the devil saying ' now thats just sick'

mpacuk rock!!!

point proven

Submitted by Joe on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 4:43pm.

So what you are saying is that if mpacuk dont shut up, they are racists??
I see how you have very cunningle replaced the word anti-semite with racist, very clever, nearly missed that one.
So take note mpac this poster is telling you to be quite or you are an anti-semite holocaust denying nazi.

So I suppose you can go back to massacring little babies in Gaza or taking the organs of corpses of innocent people you have killed.

Wipe that blood from your mouth ghoul, you are dribbling.

MPACUK KICKS ASS.

Yawn yawn yawn! More

Submitted by Ted on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 5:21pm.

Yawn yawn yawn! More accusations of anti-semitism. Maybe you should re-read the article again and you will come to realise that you are the one who is being anti-semitic.

People in glass houses???

Submitted by RSD on Fri, 04/09/2009 - 10:59pm.

But by the same argument isn't it true that contributors here repeatedly accuse israelis / zionists of racism regardless of whether there is any evidence to support their claims.
Isn't anger at Jews because of the activities of the Israelis or zionists neither of whom are exclusively Jewish anti-semitism?

Just because someone is a Jew they have no more personal responsibility for the events in Israel / Palestine than any Muslim has responsibility for things in Muslims countries. Why the double standard? there is no purpose in demanding that Jews sort out the behaviour of some other Jews, over whom they have no power, anymore than it is reasonable to expect a Muslim in Wigan or London to take responsibility for reforming Muslims elsewhere. If it were given the appalling human rights situation across the Muslim world, Muslim across UK would collapse under the weight of the demands to effect change.

You miss the point

Submitted by T Khan on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 4:30pm.

This is about the use of "anti-Semistism", or "jew hater" or its lesser brother "holocaust denier", whenever Israel is criticised.

As Michael Neumann argues in his op-ed in Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann0604.html) that if criticism of Israel is anti-Semetic than it is morally justified to be anti-Semetic. On this basis, I think instead of explaining why we are being labelled anti-Semetic we should just say proudly that it is morally justified to be an anti-Semite. This may be unfair on those Jews, who are few and far between, who openly oppose Israeli policies, but not on the vast majority who either openly support Israeli policies or remain silent of any criticism of their "holy land".

Morally Justified to be an Anti-Semite

Submitted by RSD on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 8:34am.

If you start down the road that it is morally justified to be an anti-semite on the basis that few Jews allegedly object to Zionism or the actions of the Israeli state, then you are in danger of validating Islamophobia. What proportion of Muslims actively oppose the predatory actions of fanatics that use islam as justification for violenece and the denial of human rights? Where are the Muslim masses marching against the "Mukhabarat Societies", or victimisation of women and minorities in Muslims countries? Surely if Muslims and anti-Zionists are morally superior to Zionists or Jews then it is reasonable to expect them to be at the forefront of challenging abuse in their own states wqell before they challenge the abuses of the Zionazis.

You miss the point again

Submitted by T Khan on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 12:11pm.

Islamophobia is hatred of Muslims for being Muslims. Anti-Semitism should be hatred of Jews for being Jews. If you are going to call people anti-Semites or Jew haters because they criticise Israel or expose the criminal and corrupt activities of Jews than you are simply debasing the suffering of those who really suffered anti-Semitism because of their faith. This has been beautifully argued in the article I linked to in my previous post and also by Finkelstein in Beyond Chutzpah.

If I say that you are committing war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank and you call me an anti-Semite as a result than it is morally justified for me to be an anti-Semite, and not because I hate Jews but because I expose and criticise inhuman and degrading Israeli policies against Palestinians. If you call a journalist an anti-Semite and send him death threats because he reported widespread cases of murder for "organ theft", than you morally justify anti-Semitism. This issue has got nothing whatsoever to do with Muslim countries or Muslims. Nevertheless, if we assume that some Muslims use the Islamophobic label to stifle legitimate criticism of them, it does not make it right for others to use this as a justification to do the same.

Interesting??

Submitted by Q on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 10:47pm.

You are of course correct the Israelis are committing crimes against the Palestinians, and they should be tried for their crimes and punished if found guilty. Yet the Palestinians are not simply victims of crimes perpetrated against them by the Israelis. They are also victims of crimes perpetrated against them by Palestinian forces and "Arabs" in some states where they currently reside. But only the Israelis are subject to overt criticism and demands theyare brought to trial.
It is therefore upon this basis that the Jewish Israelis cite anti-semitism, because more is demanded of them than of the others. But surely fellow Palestinians and Arabs who commit crimes against the Palestinians are deserving of greater condemnation than the Jews? The Jews are the enemy, we can expect them to be vile.
If we set the Jews actions against the actions of many obscene states around the world, are the Jews genuinely worse? (UN GA Resolutions are meaningless as it is little more than a club for the gross and corrupt.) If they are not worse then the Jews may well be right, we are anti-semites at heart and cannot bring ourselves to treat them as equals.

But what does the record show . . .

Submitted by T Khan on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 2:58pm.

The UN is an international body set in International law. In fact, if we look at the record, Israel has defied at least 65 UN resolutions - both SC and GA. It remains in continuous defiance of international laws, humanitarian laws and Geneva conventions without receiving any sanctions from the international community. If anything the UN has been pretty favourable to Israel. No other country in the world except Israel gets away with such defiance without receiving international sanctions or indeed getting invaded. On the contrary, it is awarded with billions of dollars of aid and favourable economic rewards from the U.S. and EU. It is worth noting that every year since 1976 there has been a resolution passed in the GA that affirms the rights of the Palestinians to self determination and a right to a state pre 1967 borders. Except for the U.S., Israel and some Pacific Islands all of the rest of the world has voted for this resolution. This means that the rest of the humanity, around 90% is corrupt and gross by your reckoning.

I love your logic in the 2nd paragraph which concludes by your reckoning that the actions of the Jews (and I hope you are only including Israelis and their apologists here) are nevertheless obscene if less so compared to other obscene states. Yet, we know of no other state that has so systematically over a period of more than 60 years treated a whole nation in the way that Israel has treated the Palestinians. Even the obscene apartheid regime of South Africa at the height of its obscenity did not aim to ethnically cleanse black indigenous people or attack and destroy their houses and other infrastructure with F16s and kill and maim innocents with white phosphorous and other modern armament.

Finkelstein has examined all reports of human rights groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and israel's B'tselem and others on Israel's abuse of human rights over the decades. He concludes that it is remarkable that none of these organisations have disagreed on one single matter when we consider that human rights is a relatively new concept and that all of these organisations fiercely guard their independence and employ different methodologies when investigating and compiling their reports.

The treatment of some Arab states of Palestinians pales in comparison to their treatment by Israelis. Where Arab governments mistreat Palestinians, they have done so on behest of the U.S. and Israel, such as in Egypt, Jordan and UAE and are rightfully condemned. A recent report in a UAE paper Al-Akhbar (http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/155131 and for a translation visit http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/ominous-developments-in-the-uae-2/) has reported that Emirates, at the behest of the U.S. and Israel, have been deporting Palestinians, mostly Gazans, and Shi'a Lebanese who refuse to co-operate in spying on Hamas and Hezbollah.

Most scholars on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict agree that the U.S. and European Jews discovered the holocaust and anti-Semetism after 1967 war. The purpose of this discovery is to use it as a potent weapon to deflect and suppress any criticism of Israel.

Have you actually read UNSCR 242?

Submitted by Q on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 10:00pm.

Have you actually read UNSCR 242? I guess not because you wouldn't make the ill-informed statements if you had.
In terms of consistent HR abuses what about almost every state in the middle east, China, North Korea, Iran, and on and on. israel does commit HR crimes, but it is not especially worse than many others. Why does the UN ignore gender, racial and sectarian discrimination in Iran? Why does the UN GA fail to note that a vast proportionof its members fail to uphold its own values?
In truth the UN is a rotten little club whose members are the mouthpieces of the Makhabarat societies.

This Article.

Submitted by Muhammad. on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 12:29am.

Brilliant Article! Well done, one of the Best and Finest yet!
This is what we need, a really hard-hitting, direct, apt and spot-on comment and analysis.

An Excellent insight and foresight! Keep it up.

Brilliant article mpacuk!

Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 12:24pm.

Brilliant article mpacuk!

We need more of these

Submitted by Joe on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 12:28pm.

We need more of these exposing the Zionist scum!

Brilliant article

Submitted by Ted on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 5:13pm.

Brilliant article MPACUK!

Watch how Zionists use the old trick of anti-semitism (yawn!) on this article.

one pair only?

Submitted by Geronimo on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 5:34am.

MPACUK may rock but what about all those other Muslim organisations. I rock too and maybe I can stand up against 5 - but not against 500.
Muslim organisations suck - MCB, ISB, Mosques, Scholars, BMF and all the others suck. I think the doctors that circumcised the Muslims in the last two centuries actually castrated them. Muslims being so stupid haven't worked it out yet.
Only when Muslim men have balls and brains will they be able to follow the MPAC lead.
One question MPACers - how come you have both brains and balls? Are you bunch of revert Muslims? That's the only explanation I can come up with.

"The Jewish community, thanks

Submitted by Oh dear on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 6:47am.

"The Jewish community, thanks to many of them adopting the evil political ideology of Zionism, has a large amount of Islamophobia and Muslim-hatred within it, far more than Muslims have a anti-Semitism problem (anger at Jews over Israel is not anti-Semitism)."

Anger at Jews over Israel *is* anti-Semitism. Anger at Zionists (Jewish or otherwise) over Israel *is not* anti-Semitism.

It is correct to say, 'anger

Submitted by Khalid on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 10:56am.

It is correct to say, 'anger at jews over Israel is NOT anti-semitism'. Adding the words 'Jews or otherwise' adds no extra dimension to the validity of the statement.

Unless of course you do not want people to falsely accuse you and so are trying to be 'extra careful'.

So the addition is more a counter to a slur, and nothing to do with anything else.

Yes it is Khalid, because not

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 10:28am.

Yes it is Khalid, because not all Jews are responsible for Israel? Do you see? It's like saying all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

Dear oh dear oh dear. The double standards and woolly-thinking on the site is truly depressing.

No one mentioned the pre-fix

Submitted by Somer on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 10:48am.

No one mentioned the pre-fix 'ALL'. If the article said 'ALL jews' it would be wrong, however you are assuming that the article means 'ALL' and thats your own fault.

The statment "giraffes have

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:34pm.

The statment "giraffes have long necks" does not imply that some giraffes have short necks.
Do you honestly believe that deliberately misunderstanding posts is a good argument?

Honestly, you guys need to go back to school.

We say “Germany was

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 3:18pm.

We say “Germany was responsible for The Holocaust” we don’t say “some” of Germany.

“some”, “a few”, “a minority”, “a majority”, “a small minority”. Any of these wouldn’t be accurate anyway.

Sometimes the context of the reply is bounded by the context of the question or point.

We say “Germany was

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 3:21pm.

We say “Germany was responsible for The Holocaust” we don’t say “some” of Germany.

“some”, “a few”, “a minority”, “a majority”, “a small minority”. Any of these wouldn’t be accurate anyway.

Sometimes the context of the reply is bounded by the context of the question or point.

If you follow your

Submitted by Oh dear on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 6:50am.

If you follow your reasaoning, then anger at Muslims over Islamist terrorism is not Islamophobia.

You seem keen to blame an entire community (the Jewish community) for the evils of an ideology held by some (even many); but you seem less keen to apply the same approach to your own community.

This is a poorly written and thought through article.

There is an opportunity to educate Muslims that you are sadly missing.

Really?

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 4:06pm.

Maybe you can point to where it blames the entire Jewish community for the ill-deeds of the Israeli government?

A debate on the Israel/Palestine conflict quickly descends into accusations of anti-Semitism, even when its obvious that the pro-Palestine party is not anti-Semitic but cares about the welfare of Palestinians.

If a person is Jewish and criticises Israel, then he/she is a self-hating Jew, which comes back to the original point you made - Who's conflating Jewishness with Zionism?

The comment where it is

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:56am.

The comment where it is argued that anger at Jews is in any way ever justified.

Or did not you not bother to read the article at the head of this thread, Shafiq?

this site is better than the onion

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 7:59am.

Have you considered that when posters say you or other commenterd are being anti-semitic it is, in fact, because you're bigots?

Then again, I suppose it's easier, and a lot more narcissistic, to believe you're the victim of a vast conspiracy rather than a small, bitter and twisted human being.

OK Joey, assume you're not

Submitted by George on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 8:18am.

OK Joey, assume you're not trolling, explain this, why is it that the people that make accusations are literally in bed with Israel?

George How can anyone be

Submitted by Oh dear on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 9:00am.

George

How can anyone be "literally in bed" with an entire country?

Ask your mother, trust me she

Submitted by Khalid on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 10:28am.

Ask your mother, trust me she knows...

Wow! Teenage angry Pakistani

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:55am.

Wow! Teenage angry Pakistani kid makes snide comment about someone else's mother. Shock!

Get a life, laddie.

Wow, why bring Pakistan into

Submitted by Freddy on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:09pm.

Wow, why bring Pakistan into this?

Or did you accidentally just expose your own racism...

No, Freddy - I suspect what

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 7:49am.

No, Freddy - I suspect what was exposed was MPAC's purile absurdity.

because dear george

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 10:32am.

The world is not as black and white as you believe it to be.

Well said George

Submitted by Bob Rickfield on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 11:09am.

It seems strange that all those who cry anti-semitism are all pro Israel Zionists...any coincidence there?

actually,

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 11:37am.

No. There are some of who think it is better to challenge all forms of discrimination rather than seeking justification for our own prejudices.

True, if only you were one of

Submitted by Helen on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 12:37pm.

True, if only you were one of them.

Brilliantly reasoned helen,

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 12:45pm.

Brilliantly reasoned helen, well done.

What! "Literally" in bed with

Submitted by John2 on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 12:56pm.

What! "Literally" in bed with Israel .

Must be a very big bed.

John

Zionist Scam

Submitted by Shan on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 10:22am.

Zionists are the biggest anti-semites as they have for the last 60 years murdered-tortured and humiliated millions of arab semites daily.
They are the biggest racists and bigots when jews from anywhere in the world can come and live in occupied palestine yet millions of palestinians refugees have no right of return.

Anti semitism is now a politically motivated slur

Submitted by Bob Rickfield on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 11:00am.

Well said, Zionists are not only the biggest racists and muslim haters in the world, but often the biggest Jew haters.

Look at christian zionists who can't wait till they can see all the Jews wiped out. The fact that Jewish Zionists are in bed with them, shows how little they really care about anti-semitism and how truly it is just a gag for those who support Palestine as the article correctly states.

A BRILLIANT ARTICLE!!!

Submitted by mazin on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 1:26pm.

Can I just say what an intersting and accurate article this is. I can already see the Zionists and pro-Israelis posting comments that try to deflect the issue.

Can I suggest to all who are in support of this article, do not get into a debate with these people, no matter what they reply to your postings. Just add a post saying what you think about the article, and ignore any baits to try to get into a debate. THERE IS NO DEBATE. Look at the furore that was aroused on the article concerning the Zionist labour candidate. Absolutely nothing wrong with that article, yet it managed to get more posting than any other thread I have ever seen on MPACUK.

Feel free to debate with them on other threads, but let's not fall into their trap on this one topic.

Let's see how many we can get in favour of this article, and what reaction we can get from the Islamophobes.

To the author of this article:

I would dearly like to get in touch with you on this topic and discuss something with you. Please feel free to contact me on:
mazin.mpacuk@gmail.com (no affiliation to MPACUK)

Once again, brillaint article.

islamophobia

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 1:50pm.

Islamophobia doesn't exist. It's just a slur by islamists to further their political agenda.

only an islamophobes denies

Submitted by D_K on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 4:44pm.

only an islamophobes denies the reality of islamophobia and are evidence of islamophobia

Only an anti-semite would

Submitted by Joey Grimlock on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 11:34pm.

Only an anti-semite would deny the existence of anti-semitism.

I believe you just embarrassed yourself D_K.

It seems there are too many people on her subscribing to utter nonsense without thinking about what they're reading or what they post. Sad.

Zionist Scam

Submitted by Shan on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 3:29pm.

Rsd you know very well that we do not hold jews lving in Britian-america or any where else resposbile for the millions of zionists in occupied palestine and outside who support the occupation by all means.
I unlike others have stated from day one, punsih the criminal not his brother-father or his relatives, you do the crime you do the time.
But racist bigots keep lecturing muslims about the acts of others, i practice what i preach, end the occuption of palestine and you shall see clear as day that ill feelings shall end.

I wish it was that simple.

Submitted by Spiderman on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 5:28pm.

I wish it was that simple. AIPAC the american israeli public affairs committee has proved its support is vital to the state of Israel.

Thus those who are engaged in political support of Israel in this country or anywhere in the west are as much to blame for the murder and enslavement of the Palestinians as those who carry the guns in Israel.

GREAT ARTICLE

Submitted by T.E. SAMAD on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 3:40pm.

This is a great article with a very relevant and important message. But deep down i feel that many British Muslims will remain incompetent when it comes to defending Islam or defending the Palestinian cause. I'm not even sure if most British Muslims even care about defending Islam and dispelling these horrible myths and negative perceptions of Muslims and Islam. Most British Muslims don't even have the resources, the money, the power, the influence and the will to bring justice to the the Palestinian people.

Some people may disagree with me but i have observed that many of the British Muslims that have financial muscle also happen to be the most apathetic of Muslims in Britain. They spend most of their time on making more money and maintaining their status in society instead of helping to uplift the community that they belong to and this is very unfortunate. However, i can't say the same for many wealthy and powerful Jews in the British Jewish community and in the American Jewish community - both of which strongly support Israel and not only through street protests or handing out leaflets to the public.

The point i'm trying to make is simple; the British Muslim community (despite all the British Muslim millionaires and all the British Muslim politicians and the other so-called British Muslim success stories) is a weak, disunited and fractioned community and that this is mainly but not completely the fault of many people in this community and not Israel, America or capitalism.

I would also like to add that i have also observed (again some people may disagree with me) that many of the so-called leaders of the British Muslim community are trapped in a self-interest mentality and that this one of the biggest barriers that is stopping the British Muslim community from truly progressing.

One of the most sad but true

Submitted by Spiderman on Sat, 05/09/2009 - 5:30pm.

One of the most sad but true posts on here. Agree totally.

"self interest mentality" -

Submitted by Freddy on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 1:00pm.

"self interest mentality" - so true. I know this may come across as racist, but feel free to report: You can take the villager out of the village, but you can't take the village out of the villager.

Half of the Muslims in this country, are Pakistanis who came from the villages.

And let's be frank, Freddy -

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 9:51am.

And let's be frank, Freddy - the vast majority of these peasants have never ever even met a Jew, let alone know what they believe.

Agreed

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 3:55pm.

The fact that non-Muslims are more vocal supporters of the Palestinian cause than Muslims, is an embarrassment. From George Galloway to Jews for Justice for Palestinians, it seems Muslims are simply not bothered.

"Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."

would a muslim come to the

Submitted by Cleo on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 4:20pm.

would a muslim come to the aid of an infidel? how about the Christians in Pakistan who were recently burned to death? Nah, didn't think so...how about the Coptic Christians in Egypt? Bahais in Iran? How about any minority community through your cherished ummah? chew on that for a bit...it appears this MPAC website is one big anti-jewish, anti infidel, dhimmi (basically anything non-muslim) website...it does little promote peace between the British population and muslim community, nor does it promote in the least a minimal dialogue with other relgions. I have come to understand islamic human rights is an oxymoronic statement. So, after taking advantage of what we call freedom of speech here in my country, will i get my very own fatwa now???

What about the Women who were

Submitted by Mikebloke on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 1:55am.

What about the Women who were burned at the stake the other month in Kenya by Christians while a BBC reporter watched?

Its easy to attack someone, and then claim everyone who is the same religion is somehow the same.

By this account, all Christians burn Women in the stake over beliefs of witchcraft, and still support the practice of murdering these Women with no evidence of a practice that doesn't even exist.

I also like how you divide us away from being part of the "British Population". Are we not even British in your eyes?

Yes, It was abhorrent, Yes

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 8:30am.

Yes, It was abhorrent, Yes and Yes.

Maybe you can point out where MPAC is anti-Jewish?

I think it quite touching

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 5:23pm.

I think it quite touching that the same "MPAC ROCKS" poster should post over and over again on this and other threads using many different sockpuppets.

Nothing like the manufacture of consent, eh MPAC?

You can talk..not only do you

Submitted by George on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 6:39pm.

You can talk..not only do you post under 7 different names complaining about anti-semitism but you get paid to do it on every other pro Palestinian site!

George, Do keep taking the

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:53am.

George,

Do keep taking the tablets.

Imbercile.

Incidentally, this is - according to most Palestinians I know - I site they would rather not be associated with.

You mean..the Palestinians

Submitted by Somer on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 12:16pm.

You mean..the Palestinians you jailed or killed...?

LOL, he held a gun to their

Submitted by Freddy on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:08pm.

LOL, he held a gun to their head and then asked them, "do you like mpac???". What did you expect them to say?

You people are simply racist

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 11:00pm.

You people are simply racist nutters. Fortunately, most people have worked this out.

Now, get back to your homework and/or PlayStations.

the height of hypocrisy.

Submitted by Haider on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 8:27pm.

From a Zionists who trolls other sites manufacturing discontent that really is the height of hypocrisy.

MPAC Rocks

Submitted by Somer on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 12:16pm.

If it upsets the Zionists I suggest we say it more often! :)

Thanks for the tip off ;)

Once again, just for you MPAC

Submitted by Freddy on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:07pm.

Once again, just for you

MPAC ROCKS

/anti Semitism Is A Political Slur

Submitted by Haider on Sun, 06/09/2009 - 8:26pm.

Sadly nearly all cases of someone being accused of anti-semitism today is nothing more than a political slur to silence them from speaking out.

More sadly, some cases are

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 9:50am.

More sadly, some cases are actually of those people who would like to mask their hatred of Jews behind the veneer of anti-Zionism - just as much, in fact, as many Islamophobes are seeking to disguise their hatred of Brown people behind a veneer of disliking Islam...

or does it only work one way?

Not at all, any deception is

Submitted by George on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 10:10am.

Not at all, any deception is wrong and should be resisted loudly and clearly. It seems by your reply then that you agree that along with others anti-Semitism is largely now a political slur by many Zionists.

OH man not this again! Give

Submitted by Freddy on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:06pm.

OH man not this again!

Give up will you, we understood your agenda the first 200 times you posted.

I disagree! It's more of a

Submitted by Freddy on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 1:04pm.

I disagree! It's more of a smear than a slur! Otherwise you are totally correct.

Muslim bloggers carry much blame

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 2:21pm.

Excellent article, sadly as was explained the muslim groups in this country have not articulated or thought out how to stop this campaign of targetted propaganda.

they are still more focused on organising talks on trivial matters in Islam rather then looking at the day to day problems facing the Ummah.

Muslim bloggers too have fallen into this trap, instead of waking the average muslim up to the attacks against them by Zionists, reaching out to a younger more in touch community, they have chosen to distract them with matters that simply are not the priority of the day.

There is some hope, groups like iengage.org.uk are coming along with a younger more energetic mindset, however it is still a voice in the wilderness of apathy and sleeping mindset that most muslim groups are still pushing.

bullshit.

Submitted by True Muslim on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 2:30pm.

Just because this site cynically stirs up hatred for 'Zionists' and not 'Jews' doesn't mean it isn't anti-semitic. It is.

That's why no other Muslim sites stand up for you. Because they are embarrassed by you, and the ignorant racism peddled here.

The aggression and racism on this site is like a recruiting sergeant for the BNP. In fact, it is the Muslim equivalent of the BNP.

You're a disgrace.

bullshit, cont.

Submitted by True Muslim on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 2:53pm.

Just look at this article: 'Zionists' are called "the masters of human psychology and propaganda". That could be a description of the Jews taken directly from that racist fake, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or from Nazi Germany.

To have a go at those who call you anti-semitic, when you recycle the grossest tropes of anti-Jew hatred - and defend them indignantly because you use the term 'Zionist' instead of 'Jew' - well, you've got nerve. But you're also racists, and betrayers of Muslims.

Outburst proves article was right

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 3:06pm.

Hang about doesnt your outburst just prove this article to be correct. You only have one stick and you are now being exposed when using it for political motives....

And trying to claim you are interested in 'muslims' is just not going to wash.

Er, no.

Submitted by True Muslim on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 3:38pm.

No it doesn't.

This is what has happened.

1. A racist website attacks Jews, calling them 'Zionists'.
2. Racist website is widely criticised for being racist.
3. Racist website responds that the criticism is proof of how manipulative and evil the Jews - sorry, Zionists - are.
4. I criticise this approach, pointing out that it's further racism.

And hey presto, 5. you say my criticism proves the truth of the racist attacks - of how manipulative and diabolical the Zionists are.

Hmm, doesn't really work, does it?

You are not a Muslim at all

Submitted by Fraud exposer on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 1:26am.

You are not a Muslim at all but a Zionist pretending to be one.
Another well employed but often failing tactic.
You think you can fool even a little baby?

You are the one that is anti-semitic you fool. Did your mother not teach you that to hate and kill Palestinians is anti-Semitic or did she join in with your killing spree?

No... 1) A website attacks

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 8:34am.

No...

1) A website attacks supporters of Israel, whether they're Jewish or not.
2) Israel supporters accuse website of being anti-Semitic, the same way they accuse any critic of Israel as being anti-Semitic.
3) Website points out that such accusations put critics of Israel on the defensive and detracts attention away from the original criticism.

Thats rich......when you know

Submitted by ShadowLite on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 3:25pm.

Thats rich......when you know that Zionists may deals with Hitler and cause genocide upon the jews in spain and morrocco

Eh? Do what? What colkour is

Submitted by Oh dear on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 4:26am.

Eh? Do what?

What colkour is the sky on your planet,. son?

True muslim at least zionists

Submitted by shan on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 4:55pm.

True muslim at least zionists until late had some honesty that they did nit hide behind muslim titles or muslim sounding names.
The fact that you hide behind a muslim title shows, you cannot debate openly as zionism is nothing but a racist and facist idelogy which has been in action in palestine for the last 60 years.
It has bought nothing but untold miseries for millions of innocent human beings, who simpy want to live their lives in their own country.

Good article

Submitted by UAF_85_Unite on Mon, 07/09/2009 - 8:50pm.

Alhamdolillah a good article by the MPAC lobby. I wonder how long it will though before Mr Bukhari is in the news again though. Apparently rumour has it that Sky News, and Isreal media information cabinet had a meeting that day to belittle and denounce any positive Muslim organisations working for the rights and letting people know about the horrors of Palestines people.

"In the name of their faith

Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Tue, 08/09/2009 - 10:57pm.

"In the name of their faith and conscience, Muslims must take a clear position so that a pernicious atmosphere does not take hold in the Western countries. Nothing in Islam can legitimize xenophobia or the rejection of a human being due to his/her religious creed or ethnicity. One must say unequivocally, with force, that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and indefensible."

Tariq Ramadhan

...but, of course, MPAC "know" better - or, rather, it suits them to do so.

What's suits you Anonymous

Submitted by Simon's Boss on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 1:22am.

What's suits you Anonymous Coward?

Killing innocent people and stealing their land and harvestiing their organs is the worst type of anti-Semitism and it is encouraged by and actioned by the state of Israel. Israel is the most anti-Semitic rogue terrorist state out there.

It preys on the Semite Palestinians so get your facts right you zionist apologist.

In the name of their faith...???

Submitted by Raja on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 6:22pm.

Is this the same Mr Ramadan who was refused a visa for the USA...glad to see you are working hard to please your buddys!

How about you ask the Israeli Neo-Con Nazi Zionist to express strongly, unequivocally and with force, that killing innocent palestinians is unacceptable...?

given your virulent hatred of

Submitted by simon brent on Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:47pm.

given your virulent hatred of zionsim and by the fact that you feel most jews endorse 'this evil political ideology' one would assume that this hatred would therefore extend to the jewish community thereby making you anti semetic

by the fact that you feel

Submitted by Shafiq1 on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 8:38am.

by the fact that you feel most jews endorse 'this evil political ideology'

Where do they do that?

Zionism is an evil ideology for the same reason all forms of nationalism are. What makes Zionism slightly more abhorrent is the fact that it was used to displace a mass of people from their homes and permanently refuse them the right to return.

Nice try Simon. You are an

Submitted by Simon's Boss on Fri, 11/09/2009 - 1:17am.

Nice try Simon. You are an ardent Islamophobe and you illustrate that very clearly by living up to the very dubious spread of propaganda on this site as the article describes.

Did you know that it is also Anti-Semitic to kill Palestinian babies and steal their organs?