"Islam is Responsible for all of the West's Problems”

Stop acting as if this is all about Islam and Jihad. Stop using this so called “War on Terror” as a scapegoat to hide your crimes and justify your murderous actions. No one has killed more civilians in Afghanistan than the Western governments! No one has caused more instability in Afghanistan than the Western governments! The media needs to stop feeding us with lies that imply the Taliban is the mere result of Islam being some kind of barbaric faith. Anyone who is interfered with, occupied and are infringed of their freedom, will; by default, RESIST!
Don't tell us that the Taliban are presenting an “uncompromising message”. I'd like to see if we today, in Britain, would compromise with another country that invades us and tries telling us what we must and mustn't do in our own state!
Islam is not the problem. You created the problem yourself.
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Submitted by Caddy on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 12:02am.thats right, they have gone into afghanistan and have nothing to show for it.
The Taliban are not going anywhere, they have all the time in the world.
NATO will leave having achieved zilch.
We should be outraged our troops are dying for this pointless exercise.
Stupid Ignorant Excuse
Submitted by WO on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 12:40am.Talking about standing things on it's head. It's usually Islam that blames the west for every problem they have, now they are blaming our dislike for Islam for their problems. Boy just when I thought they could not come with any more stupid excuses, they come with this ultimate ignorant stupid remark. Let me decifer this as best I can, and put it in simple english so that everyone understands. Are you telling us we need to surrender to islam and everything will be alright? We should quit blaming islam and everything will be honky dory?. My response to those suggestion is fairly straight foward. Take islam and stick were the sun doesn't shine.
Corrtection
Submitted by WO on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 12:57am.Sorry, blaming Islam for all our (West) problems? Where in left field did that comment come from? Are you that stupid to think we will fall for that ultimate using of the victim card?. Again I say take Islam and stick it your arse, or any other parallel universe like it.
Blaming Islam
Submitted by John House on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 1:12am.Yes islam and jihad is a problem, one of many problems in the world. But the answer again is Biblical Christianity. Especially for Islam & jihad. Jihad & Islam will never be rid of Biblical Christianity. It will always be here to serve as an alternative and fustration to both.
HAVE A NICE DAY ! (-:
Jesus and Jehad
Submitted by Islam Rules on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 1:59pm.The bible is not the true word of god, I haven't seen even 1 christian practising as jesus did. Just to show its deviance from the law of jesus read as follows.
http://www.quransearch.com/jihad_in_bible.htm
The truth is that the west had very little until they conqered the muslim land and STOLE the knowledge, only to claim it as thier own fruits. Before the arabs came, the west were using roman numerals. Impossible to do algebra with that. The truth is that Islam produced the perfect environment to give children and sosciety a fruitfull upbringing. Islam produced the best poets, scientists, scollars and gives a quality of life we need. Do not judge Islam by the corrupted rulers of the muslim lands who claim they are muslim but rule by democracy. Its like using a cross bred animal and comparing it to a pure breed. Look to the teachings of Islam with the wisdom behind it and you will see for yourself, Islam is by far superior to any entity be it religious or political to date. And always will be.
Some of what you say is
Submitted by The Real BB on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 3:42pm.Some of what you say is valid, but the last sentence- come on- you can't possibly believe that.
Islam is involved in virtually every conflict going on around the world today. It is not politically correct to say this, but it is true. Quranic verses and Islamic teachings are used to validate the violence and atrocities which take place daily.
If Islam is so superior, why can't it seem to get along with all the other religions?
You attacked the west you
Submitted by Subodai on Wed, 09/12/2009 - 6:20pm.You attacked the west you fucking moron!For gods sake look at a map,find arabia,then look at the map closely again,DO YOU GET MY POINT YOU UTTER PRAT!Don't mention algebra,you invented the word,not the idea,THICK CUNT!!!!!!!!!
See what i mean,it's
Submitted by Subodai on Wed, 09/12/2009 - 6:23pm.See what i mean,it's SCHOLAR,NOT FUCKING SCOLLAR!Yeah you ragheads gave us much!HEHEHEHE.
A simple response to the
Submitted by Asghar Bukhari(1) on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 1:41am.A simple response to the above comments:
Get the F*** out of the muslim countries.
Simple, you shove your nose in a bee hive, then expect your bloody pecker to get stung!!!
Its the classic tactic being played by the western nations, cause a whole load of $hit in other parts of the world, and then cry&bleat when the chickens come home to roost!!!......then furthermore you alienate a defenceless population in Europe by accusing them of crimes which YOU are guilty of yourself !!
The Europeans used to have culture and class; not anymore.
Because its been diluted?
Submitted by Anonymous Cow on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 7:53am.[The Europeans used to have culture and class; not anymore]
No doubt because of the dreaded multiculturalism has destroyed it.
Many Europeans would LOVE to get back to their culture and class but it seems to have been diluted by cultures which are counter to the existing Judaeo-Christian ethic.
Its not immigration that has caused this, or free movement of people across Europe but influxes of cultures and religions which have stated aims of trying to alter what already existed.
You're right,we used to have
Submitted by Subodai on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 3:21pm.You're right,we used to have those things.Then you muslim wankers come over!
Islam
Submitted by WO on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 2:02am.Response to get the f#$k out of Muslims land. Well what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop occupying non-Muslim lands with your mosques and minarets, then the hate and rage against Islam will disappear. Sounds fimilar?
I can't help but notice a pattern on this website. If threats does not work use lies, if lies does not work use deception, If that does not work use half truths, if that does not help then use name calling, Finally if that does not works use threats' again, and around in the same circle over and over again, using them in order or at random. An here I though Islam was a religion of peace?. I guess by the works of it's followers it is as far from that as one can get..
Addendum
Submitted by WO on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 2:21am.Oh I forgot three more use the victim card, blame others for your problems, and propaganda
Islam Pt 2
Submitted by WO on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 2:54am.It's pretty bad when you don't have enough confidence in your "religion" that you must resort to all the things I mentioned. If you are a true believer, then one would assume that you would put great faith in your "religion" wouldn't you? I guess by the conduct of some Muslims, maybe not..
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These are the REAL Jews in
Submitted by Asghar Bukhari (1) on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 8:19am.These are the REAL Jews in the world today:
http://www.nkusa.org/
I hate the ones who are not like these truthful people.
Are you one of these?
Thought not....Zionist scum!!!
Neturei Karta = Loons
Submitted by Dr. Loon Detector on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 8:24am.They are self hating liars. Not real Jews.
A Fascinating Assertion
Submitted by Q on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 1:00pm.I am not sure that any non-Jew can legitimately determine who is or who isn't a "real" Jew. But nevertheless it is fascinating assertion that Neturei Karta are the "real" Jews.
NK are an Ashkenazi minority who amount to significantly less than 1% of the worlds Jewish population. It is repeatedly claimed in the many MPACUK dialogues that Ashkenazi Jews are not semitic peoples being descended from the Khazars. Thus NK are not ethnically Jews, but Indo-Aryans closely related to the Persians. NK individuals practice the Ashkenazi version of Judaism with its significant variants which are quite distinct from those of Arab semitic Jews. It is my understanding that NK refuse to use Hebrew as their mode of daily conversation, and use Yiddish (a dialect of German) instead.
It thus appears to me that if we hold the concept that Ashkenazim are not Jews then NK cannot be Jews. But this claim conflicts with the claim that NK are "real" Jews.
However not withstanding that, if we legitimise NK, then should NK announce that their Messiah has arrived (which could be anytime) then are we bound to accept their subsequent assertion of an inalienable claim upon the "Holy Land"? Or are MPACUK arrogating to themselves as Muslims to decide the who when & where of the Jewish Messiah?
It is well known that the immediate post-war marginalisation of NK and other Haredi groups arises from their wholly inadequate and destructive leadership during the war that led to many deaths and the destruction of entire communities. In light of this it is hardly surpising that the other 99%+ of self-proclaimed Jews reject NK.
Well said Q. Just to confirm,
Submitted by The Real BB on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 2:58pm.Well said Q. Just to confirm, the Jewsih community largely rejects NK as a tiny offshoot of Judaism which holds many views against the mainstream.
Claiming they are the 'real Jews' is like claiming Nation of Islam as the real face of Islam.
Neturei Karta
Submitted by anonymous on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 3:47pm.Nota single Jew , from which ever stream of Judaism, accepts these people as normal, healthy Jews: they are a subject of much hilarity if not outright contempt.
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Islam is as Islam does!
Submitted by Anonymous Cow on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 7:49am.Where Muslims are peaceful and wonderful people/citizens then shall we say its their moral compass derived from Islam.
Where Muslims kill & slaughter people on some Jihad. Stone adulterers, kill homosexuals, whip rape victims, stop women from studying, kill someone for drinking from a "Msulim Only" cup, rape and stab children at Beslan.... Shall we say that its their Islamic moral compass?
Its just that the barabaric Muslims think the peaceful Muslims are wrong, and vice versa.
Cowslip since zionist jews
Submitted by Shan on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 3:11pm.Cowslip since zionist jews have ethnically cleansed-murdered-tortured-sodomised-raped-occupied-oppressed and daily humiliated palestinains for the last 60 years should we consider this to be judaism, are the people who have carried out the above goods jews or bad jews.
Since you are racist zionist deviant i expect nothing but deceit, otherwise you would not forget the 40,000 chechen children murdered by russian christians.
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Pakistan's genocidal actions do not bother you?
Submitted by Hakan on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 3:30pm.What about the Pakistani military ethnically cleansed-murdered-tortured-sodomised-raped-occupied-oppressed and daily humiliated the people of Bangladesh during 1971 Liberation War ?
the rape of 300 000 women in Bangladesh at that time?
http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/
Since you care so much for
Submitted by Shan on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 4:33pm.Since you care so much for muslims end the occupation of palestine here and now,
if not then your crocodile tears for muslims,will not work in diverting attention away from racist zionist crimes in occupied palestine here and now.
This maybe news to you
Submitted by Hakan on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 4:49pm.but I am not occupying Palestine.
It is you who will not accept that the state of Pakistan committed a genocide in 1971.
the armenian genocide
Submitted by wahine on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 4:33am.Nor was it Jews and Christians who killed one and a half million Armenian Christians or who are still killing each other in Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Afgahnistan, Pakistan and Somalia.
Put Palestine in perspective - Palestinians die when they attack Israel, non muslims die just because they are non muslims in Thailand the Phillipines.
And it is on behalf of Iran that the Palestinian muslims are dying in a proxy war between Israel and Palestine. Hamas and Hezbollah have decided it is better for their people to die for Iran than make peace and live for Palestine. Islamic thought is so self defeating.
LMAO!! You sad zionist
Submitted by Asghar Bukhari (1) on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 8:17am.LMAO!!
You sad zionist scum!
I applaud MPACUK on one thing they really know how to attract the dirtiest nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, maybe these are the scum working for the Zionist propoganda machine???
My simple answer to all of you guys is this.... ISLAM always is and always will be ....PERIOD.
You guys can try and break down my faith, hold my people back and say everything you have to say, but all this is occuring because you see this way of life becoming stronger by day ALL over the world!
That's because this deen of Islam is protected by the Lord, the Lord of Muhammad , Adam, Nuh, Ibrahim, Musa and Esa et al (Peace and blessings be upon them all).
We muslims have nothing to fear, and will not allow our way of life to be hijacked like the Christians and Jews have unfortunately done in the past just to FIT IN to modern society. That's because we have the truth and have NO inferiority complex !
Therefore I say one thing........BRING IT ON
May you all see the light one day insha Allah.
Peace and blessings on you all !
holding one back - asghar
Submitted by wahine on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 4:16am.Have you not yet learnt, by looking at muslims countries and their Governments overseas, that it is Islam that is holding muslims back? Nit the West, Christianity or Judaism.Or do you have tunnel vision and resort to playing the victim because that is the tired excuse that muslims always come up with? Why is Islamic society still so backwards in muslim countries - it is like stepping back into the 18th century when one visits most of them.
The Jews and Christians made modern society and are stronger for it! A society that muslims have to leach leach off because they are mired in a life where Allah directs their fate so have never been able to think outside the square and direct their own personal journey on earth. One foot outside the dictates of the Quran brings the fear that Allah will not let you into his personal paradise.
The only reason Islam is growing is because of the ridiculous amount of children they produce, but as muslim women become more educated and equal in the west, the muslim birth rate is falling. So Islam is left with the no hopers, illiterate and ignorant followers from the backward societies seen in the Maghreb, mid-Asia and the M.E.
In sub-Saharan Africa, the trend is now towards Christianity now that they have seen the degradations Islam has brought to places like Darfur, Niger and Kenya. The African women have become very strong in their unity against Islam - now television and the internet are all over the place most women want to live in democratic societies rather than Islamic sociteies which offer nothing to the more and more educated African women who are becoming more powerful day by day. Islam cannot keep everyone dumb forever and that is why your ideology will eventually fail.
You know, I know it and muslim women want it! They don't want you to keep them as inferior human beings so you can go on believing you are superior!
And pretending that you, yourself, do not have an inferiority complex is laughable. You would not even have mentioned the subject unless you had one!
As for knowing the truth - you obviously don't have a clue.
ISLAM IS THE BEST
Submitted by Tariq on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 10:54am.You can say what u like, but if you read your torah it will say that if you child swears or abuses his father then the fathers has the right to kill him now THATS BARBARICK.......
All the 3rd world countries are richer then the so called western countries, these 3rd world countries contain the richs of the world Gold, oil, minerals, and what does the western world have. They go into the 3rd world country rule over them set up there infrastructure kill the innocent people who stand up to them and look out for their own interest.
funny thing i find is when ever they create war in a country a whole lot of them come to Britain as refugees.
Killing children
Submitted by wahine on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 3:44am.Tariq - when did you last hear of a Jewish person killing their child because they swore at them? Like Christians, the Jewish people have long moved on from tales and instructions from the ancients religious tenets. Their religions have evolved to the extent where logic and humanity take precendence over stone age rulings by religious patriarchs. Can one say that Islam has evolved? Or do Islamic countries still hold to BARBARIC 7th century religious laws?
Especially today, when we see a Lebanese television 'phsycic' sentenced to death in Saudi for being a 'witch'!
Yes, killing one's child for any reason is BARBARIC, but I presume you are aware that Sharia Law allows a parent, or the parent's parent to kill their child with no retribution? This Islamic judgement is the major factor in 'honour killings' , a BARBARIC inhumane legal ruling STILL practised by muslims in the west and one which only attracts light punishment in countries like Jordan and Turkey.
Wow, what happened to the
Submitted by Freddy on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 10:15pm.Wow, what happened to the comment system?
Islam
Submitted by CI on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 12:37am.Tariq,
Biblical Christianity
Spare me your crocodile tears
Submitted by DMoloney. on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 1:52pm."No one has killed more civilians in Afghanistan than the Western governments! "
Thats a valid opinion until you check the facts and the facts are most of those citizens in those countries have been killed by their fellow citizens
"No one has caused more instability in Afghanistan than the Western governments!"
Another error,if the writer of this piece checked the afghan opinion polls he would find most afghans feel the war is justified and that most afghans thought life was worse under the taliban.
Anyone who is interfered with, occupied and are infringed of their freedom, will; by default, RESIST!
You doubt the writer of this piece got excited and got a boner writing this part, unfortunally its ridiculus, most afghans arent resisting the occupiers they are resisting the taliban, the idea that people will automatically resist is debunked when history is observed, history has often shown that certain times occupied people weigh their options and often conclude that it is in their best interests to go with the flow.
Don't tell us that the Taliban are presenting an “uncompromising message”. I'd like to see if we today, in Britain, would compromise with another country that invades us
A simple message from a simple mind, the situation is more complex, if britain was under the control of the taliban and then some foreign force overthrew them most britons would quite intelligently conclude like the afghans did that they are better working with this occupying power
and tries telling us what we must and mustn't do in our own state!
Its the taliban who are just a minority who are the ones bossing others and forcing their unwanted opinions on the majority.
Islam is not the problem. You created the problem yourself.
Its the Taliban who are the problem, for honest Muslims,Christians and non-believers alike.
Overall all an abysmal article, all it shows is that the writer actually doesnt give a fuck about those in afghanistan who happen to share his faith and instead cares more about ranting against the west, he/she really do possess a curious mindset.
TEARS OF BLOOD NOT CROCODILES
Submitted by Abu Laith on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 2:31pm.The west have a rule of divide and conquer. Known by all seen by few. The military have a division which are focused on creting civil war. An example of this is Iraq. Before the "Western Liberation Movement" there was no such issue as sunni and shiah. When the west went there they thought why waste our soldiers, we will just blow up a sunni mosq and blame it on the shiah. Blow up a shiah mosq and blame it on the sunni. A civil war, all they have to do it clean up (the bodies) afterwards. Stats aren't all they seem.
They spread the deception of western democracy and failed to mension the high rates of crime, paedophilia, rape and so on. So, who is spreading filth onto who's land? The only thing the west is concerned for is thier imediate family. They do not concern themselves with the effects of thier actions on others.
"Justified War"
Did the polls ask those who were butchered if the war was justified. Again, people don't care unless it affects thier immediate family. Do not judge islam by the corrupted leaders. Look to the actual Islam on paper, its teachings. There you will find the hidden treasure. What you see in the media is mainly lies and what someone had twisted to sound evil. You will never see the true story. There are even lies about the taliban which are obvious but you will not see unless you study true islam. Even the common muslim is illiterate about islam, they only say what they feel, not find the truth. Just like the football hooligans. May you be guided.
Before the "Western
Submitted by DMoloney. on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 2:58pm.Before the "Western Liberation Movement" there was no such issue as sunni and shiah.
You should read the A history of Iraq by charles tripp, you will find that there was sunni shiite issues before the invasion.
we will just blow up a sunni mosq and blame it on the shiah. Blow up a shiah mosq and blame it on the sunni. A civil war, all they have to do it clean up (the bodies) afterwards. Stats aren't all they seem.
Stay away from conspiracy theory websites, although entertaining but they do more harm than good.
They spread the deception of western democracy and failed to mension the high rates of crime, paedophilia, rape and so on.
All these problems exist in all countries, both the middle east and the west such as europe have low crime rates due different reasons, europe has low crime due to low levels of poverty while the middle east has low crime due to putting the fist down on those who commit it, (if I had my way id introduce various practices in the middle east to europe such as the death penalty for murderers)
Did the polls ask those who were butchered if the war was justified.
A poll did indeed ask was the war justified and the answer was yes
Look to the actual Islam on paper, its teachings. There you will find the hidden treasure.
I did read the koran, it had violent parts and it had peaceful parts, so you really cant say if it is one or the other, if you are a violent person you will pay attention to the violent passages, if you are peaceful like most muslims are you will pay attention to the nice passages.
What you see in the media is mainly lies and what someone had twisted to sound evil.
I actually find that a lot of the media goes out of its way to put a positive face on mainstream islam, if someone is ultra sensitive about their religion though they will see problems where they are as a whole none.
Dmoloney it seems as a
Submitted by Shaan on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 2:55pm.Dmoloney it seems as a trained zionist you simply cannot help yourself but blame the victims.
Western nations are responsible for the terrorism that afghans have faced for the last 3 decades, it was western backed-financed and trained terrorists who attacked the afghan nation in1979 to avenge their defeat in vietnam america was the prime sponsor of terrorism in afghan which resulted in millions being killed-maimed or made refugees.
if it was not for american sponsored terrorism today millions of afghans would be alive, the nation would be on its way to becoming a modern nation instead of being what it is today a war ravaged broken society with milllions killed-maimed-made refugees or drug addicts.
If america had not supported terrorism in afghan today there would no alciada or taliban, we know it is your job as trained to blame the victims but as long as you spread your lies, you shall be countered with the reality.
Dmoloney it seems as a
Submitted by DMoloney. on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 3:20pm.Dmoloney it seems as a trained zionist you simply cannot help yourself but blame the victims.
More conspiracy theory nonsense.
Western nations are responsible for the terrorism that afghans have faced for the last 3 decades, it was western backed-financed and trained terrorists who attacked the afghan nation in1979 to avenge their defeat in vietnam america was the prime sponsor of terrorism in afghan which resulted in millions being killed-maimed or made refugees.
It was the soviet union who interviened, the US was only a minor player in this situation at the time, also most of the aid to the mujahadeen came from other Muslim countries, facts shan, check your facts.
If america had not supported terrorism in afghan today there would no alciada or taliban, we know it is your job as trained to blame the victims but as long as you spread your lies, you shall be countered with the reality.
America did not create al qaida or the Taliban, reliable western and eastern historians and journalists show this. Unfortunally you seem to spend all your time on conspiracy theory websites, that why you embarressenly believed in the tim osman issue
Dmoloney america was a minor
Submitted by Shaan on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 4:18pm.Dmoloney america was a minor player ,as i said before only a zionist deviant could come up with such deceit maybe you should check what president carter said about the afghana war, maybe you should the offical american records which are declassifed after the 30 years and check how the c.i.a trained-financed and armed the terrorists that came from allover the world.
Carters national security advisor stated we did not force the soveits to invade afghan but we did everything possible to make sure they did ,so that we could avenge vietnam and free eastern europe, the persons name is brazienscki or somethig similar.
Check charlie wilsons war based on the senator who made sure the terrorist were armed and financed, finally i suppose the terrorists got the american stinger missiles by stealing them from america.
to the deceiver the truth is a conspiracy.
Ah Shan, your pretty
Submitted by DMoloney. on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 4:53pm.Ah Shan, your pretty predictable, i know where this arguement was going and was hoping you would come out with the nonsense you did.
you should check what president carter said about the afghana war
In the book a world of trouble by patrick tyler carter expressed regret and anger over the soviets invading afghanistan after they told him to his face that they were not going to.
maybe you should the offical american records which are declassifed after the 30 years and check how the c.i.a trained-financed and armed the terrorists that came from allover the world.
Maybe you should learn how to read, first of all i stated that the US played a minor role in 1979, this is completely accurate, second of all if you read any books which dealt with declassified documents you will find that the CIA focused on the local afghans themselves, they were discussions about getting involved with the Arabs but they went no where for they were more than enough afghans to volunteer and fight. The CIA gave their resources to the Pakistanis ISI, they are the one who then armed the afghan groups, as for the arabs they were mostly self financed, its funny someone who believed in tim osman believes that they are knowledgable about the Soviet-Afghan war
"Carters national security advisor stated we did not force the soveits to invade afghan"
Quite right
but we did everything possible to make sure they did ,so that we could avenge vietnam and free eastern europe, the persons name is brazienscki or somethig similar.
Its brzezinski genius, and it is well acknowledged that he said this so that the administration he was part of could get some credit for the fall of the soviet union, unfortunally for him it is completely bogus, one when Soviet archives were looked at it became clear that the Soviet Union fell due to internal issues, second as I stated before the US played a minor role, in the summer of 1979 Carter assigned some non-military aid to certain groups, it was only a mere 500,000, much of it went to buying eyes and ears on the ground and another bit of it went to medical supplies, so unless the soviet was imtimidated by a few bandages it posed no real threat. I imagine a lot of that money probably found its way into a swiss bank account. Overall Soviet archives show that the main reason they invaded was due to their dislike of Amin
It was only after the soviet union invaded that Carter approved of military aid to stem soviet agression however the main amount of aid came from the Muslim world itself.
Check charlie wilsons war based on the senator who made sure the terrorist were armed and financed, finally i suppose the terrorists got the american stinger missiles by stealing them from america.
Again Shan, may i politely remind you read my post correctly, thank you, i said that the US played only a minor role in the Soviet Invasion i never claimed that they did not play a role after it.
I see that you are now getting your information from films(or was it the book), good, its a step up from getting it from banners.
to the deceiver the truth is a conspiracy.
Truth is fine, unfortunally for you truth actually has to be accurate
Dmoloney apart from being a
Submitted by Shaan on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 5:45pm.Dmoloney apart from being a racist zionist you are now it seems suffering from the chosen ones syndrome, where what you say is correct and everyone else is wrong.
The national security advisor to carter was lying and not telling the truth.
senator charlie wilson allowed this film to be made about him by showing what he did to help procure weapons and financing as lies and he did not sue the film maker of outright lies and slander.
supplying weapons-money and traning is a minor part, i see as a good trained deceiver you ignored the stinger missiles ,what the americans called the game changers.
Try giving a gun to somone and pay him to go and attack someone, when the person is caught for murder, i am sure the judge will agree with you that you played a minor part or will you be spending the rest of your natural life behind bars if lucky or be fried in the electric chair.
Osama bin laden was a c.i.a assett and his name was tim osman, i asked you to prove me wrong once before but you ignored it.
The truth is accurate but it unfortunatly for you the truth is not what you wish it to be.
The national security advisor
Submitted by DMoloney. on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 6:10pm.The national security advisor to carter was lying and not telling the truth.
I hate to break this to you shan but sometimes politicians lie.
senator charlie wilson allowed this film to be made about him by showing what he did to help procure weapons and financing as lies and he did not sue the film maker of outright lies and slander.
I see that yet again you cant counter my arguement, so instead you are trying to counter arguements i never made.
I never said that the US did not give weapons,so you arguing as if i did makes you look delusional
supplying weapons-money and traning is a minor part,
Shan you really really nead to read posts before you reply to them, i stated that the US played a minor role in the 1979 invasion of afghanistan, this is 100% correct, they only started to play a significant role after this point by supplying weapons.
I believe it was 1986 when stinger missles were provided not 1979, and whether or not they were a game changer is actually up for debate.
Osama bin laden was a c.i.a assett and his name was tim osman, i asked you to prove me wrong once before but you ignored it.
I believe that I did respond but you ran away, first of all when you make a cliam you have to provide evidence you failed to, second of all various western and eastern sources show the CIA were not conected to al qaida, the cia denies it, the ISI denies it even in his book zawahiri denies it, various historians and journalists western such as peter bergen to eastern ahmad rashid found no credable evidence.
Shan do yourself a favour stay away from conspiracy theory websites
Dmoloney playing with words
Submitted by Shaan on Sat, 05/12/2009 - 1:44pm.Dmoloney playing with words will not help you, you can twist and turn words as much as you like like a trained racist zionist.
you can play down american sponsored terroism in afghan, you can play down the millions killed or maimed in afghan as a result of american sponsored terorism because that is your job.
every one who tells the truth is a liar, the man wh owas national security advsior to carter is a liar ,senator charlie wilson on whose actions the movie was made is wrong.
everyone in the world is wrong but a racist zionist suffering from the chosen ones syndrome is right.
ahamd rashid a western educated stooge who writes stories is your source for the fat that alciada had nothing to do with the c.i.a,the man is depsised as sellout propagandist in his own country and you quote him.
i challenged you then to prove me wrong and you did not, so once again i challenge you to prove me wrong tim osman was not a c.i.a assett.
You can make as many excuses as you like to play down the death of millions of muslims, but the day shall come when all occupeirs will be paid back in kind and then we can play the numbers game just like you do today.
"Dmoloney playing with words
Submitted by DMoloney. on Sat, 05/12/2009 - 5:10pm."Dmoloney playing with words will not help you, you can twist and turn words as much as you like like a trained racist zionist."
You should try to keep your cool shan instead of throwing around insults.
you can play down American sponsored terroism in afghan, you can play down the millions killed or maimed in afghan as a result of american sponsored terorism because that is your job.
I see that you’re not providing any facts to back up your assertions that i am playing down anything, i am merely saying what happened.
senator charlie wilson on whose actions the movie was made is wrong.
So it was the movie you got your information from, movies and banners, as I said before you’re quite the scholar. I also see that you’re still trying to counter arguments I never made, when did I say Charlie Wilson or those who wrote about him were liars, the film actually supports what I was saying, and that was the US was playing an overall minor role until after the invasion.
"ahamd rashid a western educated stooge "
Reduced to name calling again shows that you don’t have any factual arguments, I see that you ignored the fact that Zawahiri(hardly western) denies the link. It’s a bit sad that when you can’t disprove someone’s views you lash out at where they are from or where they were educated, that shan shows you are the one with bigoted views, I on the other hand will not discriminate, western, eastern as long as the person is providing evidence for their views which are balanced ill respect them
i challenged you then to prove me wrong and you did not, so once again i challenge you to prove me wrong tim osman was not a c.i.a assett.
I did, but because it does not confirm with your world view you ignore it, on the other hand I notice that you failed to provide any link or source to back up your claim, I imagine you panicking as we speak looking for one piece of credible evidence but you can’t, shame.
You can make as many excuses as you like to play down the death of millions of muslims
I see that your still doing that thing where I make a point based on evidence you look at your computer screen blankly for a few minutes unable to think of a proper response, and then just make a wild inaccurate response.
"but the day shall come when all occupiers will be paid back in kind and then we can play the numbers game just like you do today."
And now you have been reduced to making threats
The truth to the deceiver is
Submitted by Shaan on Sat, 05/12/2009 - 7:07pm.The truth to the deceiver is a insult and a threat, you reap what you sow ,if what you sow is a threat to you then do not sow it and you wil not reap it.
You have not even proven me wrong on one single point never mind the 3 decades of destrcution in afghan.
the national security advisor to carter was wrong he was lying ,senator charlie wilsons actions had only a minor bit with terrorsim in afghan,billions paid for weapons and training, the direct supply of stinger missiles ,which forced the russian to leave as they could no longer move their forces safely.all of these are a minor part for the last 3 decades.
Just prove to me that tim osman better known as osama bin laden was not a c.i.a assett, who is zawahiri a black ops operative most likely a secret servcie assett, be he egyptian or american.
As i said before you can twist and turn as much as you like to play down the death of millions of muslims.
You have not even proven me
Submitted by DMoloney. on Sun, 06/12/2009 - 8:18pm.You have not even proven me wrong on one single point never mind the 3 decades of destrcution in afghan.
Ive proven you wrong so many times its tiresome, not exactly hard to do when you get your information from banners;)
the national security advisor to carter was wrong he was lying
Im glad to see you agree;)
senator charlie wilsons actions had only a minor bit with terrorsim in afghan,billions paid for weapons and training, the direct supply of stinger missiles ,which forced the russian to leave as they could no longer move their forces safely.all of these are a minor part for the last 3 decades.
Ah! Shan, i see you continue to ignore my point that i said the US played a minor part in the invasion of afghanistan, i never claimed that they didnt play a part after that, also the US was one of the financial suppliers but has a whole most of the funding came from other Muslims, also out of curiosity did you support the soviet invasion or do you think it was a mistake, it seems to me that you seem to be arguing against the 1980s afghan insurgency.
Just prove to me that tim osman better known as osama bin laden was not a c.i.a assett
I did and i also see that your failing to provide any evidence to show that your claim is true, ill take it there is none and that you said without realising that you would have to back it up and now you dont know what to do.
is zawahiri a black ops operative most likely a secret servcie assett, be he egyptian or american.
The fact that you had to ask this question shows that you dont have a clue what you are on about.
As i said before you can twist and turn as much as you like to play down the death of millions of muslims.
Your grammer is a bit off, this sentence implies that you want me to play down the number of Muslims who have died, of course i would never do such a thing.
Still playing with words
Submitted by Shaan on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 11:17am.Still playing with words ,playing with words will not make the question irrelevant, prove me wrong that osama bin laden known as tim osman was not a c.i.a assett.
You have failed to provide the proof.
I see your reply's are
Submitted by DMoloney. on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 1:18pm.I see your reply's are getting shorter and weaker, not surprising when you have very little of merit to say, I provided proof for this and on other threads too, you I see are still not providing any evidence for your claims, back them up shan, im waiting
It simple to date you have
Submitted by Shaan on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 2:34pm.It simple to date you have failed to provide the proof.
provide the proof that tim osman was not a c.i.a assett, its about ime you give evidence to prove that he was not a c.i.a assett.
Dmoloney, Shan, sorry to butt
Submitted by The Real BB on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 2:45pm.Dmoloney, Shan, sorry to butt into your conversation.
Shan, if you make a highly unlikely assertion such as Osama bin Laden is actually a CIA asset, then the onus is on you to provide evidence for this.
I could easily ask you to disprove the theory that Hitler was actually an alien being. That would be stupid, because anyone with any sense would know that you would first need to provide me with some sort of evidence that he WAS in fact an alien to begin with, for me to be able to disprove it.
Anyway, carry on.
If aliens had come to earth
Submitted by Shaan on Mon, 07/12/2009 - 3:47pm.If aliens had come to earth and the whole world knew about it and people lived and worked with them ,then the question could be asked was hitler a alien or human as that has not occured we cannot give that as a example.
since the c.i.a exists and one of its job is to help overthrow or bring into power people who will do americas bidding then, the point i made is valid, so once again prove that tim osman was not a c.i.a assett.
If aliens had come to earth
Submitted by DMoloney. on Tue, 08/12/2009 - 1:55pm.If aliens had come to earth and the whole world knew about it and people lived and worked with them ,then the question could be asked was hitler a alien or human as that has not occured we cannot give that as a example.
The point i beleive that bb was making is that it is widely acknowledged that when one makes a remarkable claim it is up to that person to provide very reliable evidence to back it up, if they fail to do so it tends to be acknowledged that they are possibly making it up.
You are the one in this case saying something unlikely and remarkable due to strong evidence arguing against it, so it is up to you to provide very relaible evidence to show your statement is correct, for example if I was to say Barack Obama was a member of the Taliban or that this site is controled by the Iranian goverment it would be up to me to provide evidence for my statements, it would not be up to you to disprove this mere assertion.
so once again prove that tim osman was not a c.i.a assett.
I did already on this and other threads, using western and eastern sources, you on the otherhand have failed again and again to provide evidence for your claim, you are more likely than not aware that your claim is wrong, but you also feel that you cant turn back now and admit that you only made the claim originally because you did not think that you would be asked to back it up, so now you have decided to keep on digging
Nice to see such tolerant
Submitted by abu bakr dpoh on Fri, 04/12/2009 - 3:42pm.Nice to see such tolerant people..Why doesnt god help the poor muslims to kick the infidels out of the ME and then we can have the world split in two,,a muslim'5th century' half and a dirty stinkin kaffir '21st century half..problem solved
You are always welcome to bugger off
Submitted by CoFee on Sun, 06/12/2009 - 1:03pm.If you don't like the dirty stinking kaffir land then why not abandon the kaffir's tools, like computers & the internet and go live in Iran?
BTW - I understand that the use of the word "kaffir" is highly offensive like the "N" word. Do you have to introduce it?