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Why Hasn't Farage Dropped Islamophobic Peer?
On the one hand, UKIP Peer, Lord Pearson, continues to pander to Islamophobes and make inflammatory Islamophobic statements, whilst on the other hand, Nigel Farage is trying to hoodwink the British people that his party has no relation to the fascist BNP.
In a sick rant, UK Independence Party peer, Lord Pearson, makes wild statements about the Muslim birth rate. He said the UK was under threat because "the Muslims are breeding ten times faster than us".
He added, "I don't know at what point they reach such a number we are no longer able to resist the rest of their demands. We must be looking at somewhere between 10 or 20 years. If we don't do something in the next year or two we have in effect lost."
In a video interview, which even the Sun labels a "rant", the multi-millionaire went on to warn against the "growing threat of Islamism", rambling, "We have to make sure people understand the threat that faces us from violent Islam."
Don't forget it was Lord Pearson who invited the Islamophobe Geert Wilders to come and show his trashy race-hate video at the House of Lords.
So, is Farage going to put up or shut up?
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Population Control
Submitted by Serendipity on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 2:22am.If one believes in Climate Change and man made Global Warming the answer might is that eventually population control will be a "must". It is interesting to note that in countries where women can control their fertility that they do choose to have less children, unless you live in China of course.
Britain is overpopulated now and cementing over more green land to build the necessary housing required definitely raises temperatures. Surely we could start a "replacement" system where each person only has one child and a couple two, have personal pensions systems to cover old age because with overpopulation we can never sustain systems like the NHS and social pension and benefit payments.
Personal responsibility is a thing we must take more seriously.
You know what, I actually
Submitted by Sulaiman on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 9:13am.You know what, I actually agree with your point.
But surely you must agree with me, that what you have said and what Pearson said are two different sides of two different coins.
What Brits Must Do
Submitted by John House on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 5:32am.What Brits must do to secure their future is embrace Biblical Christianity against Islam.
Why haven't the Lib Dems
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 9:36am.Why haven't the Lib Dems dropped anti-semitic peer Baroness Tonge? Even George Galloway considers her views about 'Zionist Israelis' controlling the world's media as racist (I was very surprised to hear him say on his TalkSport phone-in some months ago).
You are right about that.
Submitted by Anonymous Dung on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 9:41am.You are right about that. Baroness Tongue and anyone else - who hates it when pregnant mothers are shot at checkpoints, or little babies are killed in bombings - should not be allowed to enter politics.
Long live Israel! Death to the pallies
Would you care...
Submitted by mazin on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:16pm....to tell me what she has said or done that is "anti-Semitic"?
And please use references from reliable, unbiased sources.
Otherwise, I will just assume that you are using the usual old Zionist tactic of labelling anyone who criticises Zionists or Israel as being "anti-Semitic".
By the way, attacking "Zionists Israelis" is not "anti-Semitic" or anti-Jew. The term "Zionist Israeli" is no different to "British Tory", "American Republican", "German Liberal"...
Why are you trying to put a racial spin on a non-racial term?
Maybe it's because you want to stifle debate/criticism of Israel/Zionism.
You are being a little
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:30pm.You are being a little disingenuous. Baroness Tonge's remarks are a matter of record. Galloway has distanced himself from them, for example. Criticise Israel by all means, but when it is done using the same historical anti-semitic language (lies, false accusations) of the past, it is not criticism of Israel but anti-semitism.
Leave the Israeli Arabs alone!
Submitted by Anonymous Cowslip on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:38pm.Quite right but why are you attacking Zionist Israelis who are Arabs?
I thought posters here supported Israeli Arabs. I'm shocked! Explain!
I'll bet that Israel Arab Zionists would be appalled that you attacked them in this way.
Geert Wilders is a citizen,
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 9:41am.Geert Wilders is a citizen, and a democratically-elected MP, of an EU-member state and as such should be free to come and go unhindered by those who would crush free speech. You don't like what he has to say about the Koran and Islam? Tough. Go live somewhere where free discussion and critical analysis is not tolerated.
So was david irving but he
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 11:29am.So was david irving but he got locked up for using his right to free speech.
lying is not free speech it is defamation, using lies to villify or incite hatred is a crime not free speech.
David Irving was not locked
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 11:43am.David Irving was not locked up in this country. And who is to establish whether one is lying or not? Wilders has expressed his opinions about Islam. An opinion is not a lie. Quoting from the Koran is not defamation. That is all he has done, and now lives under round the clock protection because of the threats from backward, ignorant savages.
neither is geert wilders a
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:10pm.neither is geert wilders a citizens of this country so whats up with him having free speech but nor david irving,does hypocrisy ring a bell.
He does not quote from the quran, he takes wirtings from the quran and shows them on naked bodies, that is not free speech that is provocation and insult to 2 billion people in the world.
free speech is sitting down with scholars of the quran or bible and debating what he feels is wrong.
Who are the backwards can be seen when soddom and gommorah existed thousands of years ago, those who today preach the same values are the ones going backwards not those who speak against it.
David Irving's free speech
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:22pm.David Irving's free speech has not been denied him in this country. He was even given a two-page spread in the Sunday Times to explain his version of historical events. In Austria and germany holocaust-denial is a crime. That is for them to decide.
As for Geert Wilders and his use or misuse of verses from the Koran, he is free to express his view. He should not be prevented from doing so by the threat of violence. And if he offended Muslims, so what? You are not entitled to be free from being offended. That is a curtailment of free expression. Besides which, some people get offended at the slightest thing: Danish cartoons, the Satanic Verses and so on. Islam's sensitivities are not compatible with free speech or the European history thereof. Sorry.
(And you don't have to be a Muslim to be a scholar or an expert in Islam, its history and beliefs. Muslim scholars were free to dispute Wilders' claims. He was under no obligation to sit down with them. That is not free speech. But I don't think you understand the concept of it. Perhaps it is not in your blood, in your cultural or intellectual heritage. It certainly sounds that way.)
So free speech is in your
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 4:48pm.So free speech is in your blood, so lets see you offend jews-homosexuals and lets see how far you get with your free speech.
every two bit racist bigot knows that you can villify and demonise muslims with impunity.
Muslims are getting the same media villification that jews were given decades ago.
While we talking about what is in your blood, is there a inherent bloodlust in your blood or culture that makes you slaughter tens of millions of human beings,because they are diffrent from you, can you tell us what this desease in your blood that we may help in curing your ailment.
First, there is much that is
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 5:09pm.First, there is much that is offensive that Jews and homosexuals have to put up with.
Secondly, occasionally I might agree with you about current vilification of Muslims in the media, but to say that it is as it was decades ago (did you mean in Germany in the 30s?) is an exaggeration. Incidentally, the representation of Jews in much of the Muslim press (in the Muslim world) is exactly the same today as it was under the Nazis. I also disagree with you that it is done without impunity: look at the savage response to the Danish cartoons. And Geert Wilders himself is facing charges in Holland; and the OIC has been pushing the UN to outlaw criticism of Islam as Islamophobic - and they are about to get their way (with Obama's support). I want to be able to criticise whomsoever I please, without threat of imprisonment or beheading in the street. If it offends your sensibilities, it's too bad. As long as I am not urging people to hate. That is a distinction which is often tried and tested in court after the event. To prevent people from speaking is a betrayal of the values of the Enlightenment and free speech.
As for your last 'point' that I/we (who? Europeans? the English?) have slaughtered millions: if you were referring to the Nazis as a European product, then they too betrayed the values of the liberal Enlightenment and free speech. Islam, I fear, and many Muslims similarly do not share the same values of European intellectual culture. Of course, you are free to criticise European culture for its many wrongs, wars etc...but I am talking about its intellectual progress over the centuries and the attempts by many good men to establish free thought, tolerance and respect.
I think if you read my
Submitted by Shan on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 6:22pm.I think if you read my comments you will see i stated muslims are getting the vilifcation that jews got decades ago.
For me and all reasonalbe people in britian there is no absolute freedom of speech, there are certain things that can be said in certain ways to antagonise-provoke-incite-villify and demean-harras and cause offense.
Also it is matter of fact that those in the majority do not feel what is felt by the minority as they do not have to live as a minority ,when they have to face what the minorites have to they do not like it.
Patrionising others will not help,debating each others viewpoints is what i beleive in,using a condascending tone or words shows you are losing the argument,so it is always good to keep the debate in a civilised tone and manner.
I agree that there is no
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 7:11pm.I agree that there is no absolute freedom of speech. We have many laws to curb it. And deciding what is intended to incite hatred is a matter for the judges/politicians who write and uphold those laws. They may get it wrong, from time to time. Personally I see a big difference between Nick Griffin/Geert Wilders comment that Islam is 'a wicked faith' and Sheikh Yousef Qaradawi's open calls for homosexuals to be stoned to death, or that Israeli civilians are fair targets for suicide bombings. The first is an opinion (offensive maybe to you), the second an open incitement to murder.
As for patronising: it is my belief that the sensitivities that many Muslims feel at the criticism of their faith is not compatible with Western notions of free thought and expression.
Can you tell me where israels
Submitted by Shan on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 10:50am.Can you tell me where israels comes into the debate about free speech,are you a israeli or a zionist that you talk about israeli civilians about do not seem to care about millions of palestinians civilians who indure occupation-humiliation-torture-oppression-murder every day.
Are the palestinians who have been occupied not innocent civillians to you.
I ask this to find out whether you are a genuine in your views or just another zionist doing as trained,which is to always say muslims do this or that islam says this or that.
What an earth has this got to
Submitted by Infidel on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 11:13am.What an earth has this got to do with Israel??!!
We were talking about European intellectual progress and the developed notions of free speech here. So I can tell you of the massive intellectual contribution made by Jews to that European culture, if you like.
And I do believe that Israel has a free press. Half the MPACUK articles criticising Israel seem to come from the Israeli media.
Sorry, the suffering of Palestinians is perhaps under discussion elsewhere. They would no doubt be better off if they were not living under occupation, if that is indeed the case. They would no doubt be much better off if they had a free press, free elections and were free to stand up tot the people who are causing them more suffering - Hamas. They would no doubt be better off if they could choose to build a secular society and import an intellectual tradition from their neighbour and join the international society of free nations. But so long as they are shackled by the fundamentalism of their religion there is fat chance of arriving at a negotiated settlement with Israel.
But as I keep saying, and which you keep ignoring, Islam and Muslim countries do not have an intellectual tradition of free speech and equal rights. It is a European/Western thing.
The blog is about ukip not
Submitted by Shan on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 1:28pm.The blog is about ukip not dropping lord pearson a islamophobe for his scarmongering lies.
the blog is not about what levels of free speech their is in other parts of the world.
I asked the question for a reason and have recived the response, which is that as trained you will always deviate the blogs to muslims do this or that and islam says this or that.
So why did you bring up the
Submitted by Infidel on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 2:13pm.So why did you bring up the Palestinians? You had no answers to the issues raised by the article as usual, so, as usual, you hide behind the Palestinians' misery because it makes you feel righteous.
Try a bit harder
Submitted by Shan on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 3:51pm.Try a bit harder infidel,since my original comment on this issue,i did not bring up palestine but answered in relation to free speech,since you could not respond to the points i raised, you started to deviate started about israeli civilians and qardawi says this, i responded to your point and further informed you to stick to the topic at hand.
so check your own comments first or does the training take over.
I answered your 'points', and
Submitted by Infidel on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 4:02pm.I answered your 'points', and raised others. When you don't like a question, or can't answer it, or feel wrong-footed by it you resort to whining about 'paid for Zionists', 'deflecting from the topic at hand'. You rarely make a valid point, don't respond to others' and hide behind the Palestinians' suffering when the going gets tough. You're a one-trick pony: very boring to watch after a while.
The truth is a one trick
Submitted by Shan on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 5:00pm.The truth is a one trick pony, telling the truth makes life simpler,whereas liars have to keep lying to keep their cover.
deviating and twsiting blogs from their core points is a hallmark of zionists as proven again and again.
Lord perason is a scaremongering liar and if UKIP wants people to vote for them they need to have honest people on board not scaremongering liars.
The only way muslims will be a majority in britain is if the british people chose to become muslims,otherwise it will not be muslim majority for centuries to come.
Where!!!????
Submitted by Anonymous Cowslip on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 1:46pm.Can someone please advise me where I can see these naked bodies?
Nurse, he's confused again! You mean ayaan hirsi's film Submission. Nice music!
Population Control
Submitted by Anonymous Yakoub Islam on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 10:04am.I am fully in favour of population control. Lets neuter all the Nazis, Neocons, and similar nasty right-wing bigots who just want our world to be one huge hate-fest (throw in Anjem Choudary and his half-witted chums for good measure), and then perhaps there'll be less chance of them passing on their defective genes and even more defective thinking to future generations.
If only it was that simple.
Neutering Neo-cons (people
Submitted by Infidel on Tue, 03/11/2009 - 10:44am.Neutering Neo-cons (people who hold a different opinion to yours)? Defective genes? Sounds like the language of Nazis if ever I heard it.
Farage and Pearson are JEWS!
Submitted by Cosa_Nostra on Wed, 04/11/2009 - 6:05pm.Don't you know these two are member of various self styled "Jewish Defence Forces" included one that claims to police the web. A name search on popular search engines will also result in a picture of him and that Jewess Pamela Geller.
What more do you expect from these racists except hatred and goytude?
No questions should be asked, and these people should be attacked with onions, tomatoes and whatever that can be photoshopped.
Lib-Dems and Judeophobic peer
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Fri, 06/11/2009 - 9:47am.Why does the Judeophobic peer, Baroness Tonge, still allowed the Lib-Dem whip?
Lib-Dems and Judeophobic peer
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on Fri, 06/11/2009 - 9:47am.Why does the Judeophobic peer, Baroness Tonge, still allowed the Lib-Dem whip?