oh MPACUK please change the CD! what do you want them to do about that DVD?

Please, before calling others hypocrites, do what you claim on your 'about us' and defend the Muslims who got attacked on Channel 4 Dispatches.

Actually I'm loosing all confidence in the current MPACUK leadership and i'm beginning to think they actually cause more harm than good -

Can we initiate a vote of no confidence? Or do we have just another dictatorship in the ummah.

So wait...you're angry at mpac becuase you don't agree with them (and you'll let them know your thoughts and views) but you don't even seem to have the guts to stand up to our corrupt masjid leaders! Chicken!

the only way our problems will be solved will be when we have a khilafa - otherwise political lobbying and pressuring the mosques will have no effect.

You know it makes sense.

I don't understand why you have this blind loyalty to the current mosque leadership?



Well the article suggests the mosques lead a campaign for the human rights of Muslims oppressed by China - or is it only Buddhists who are capable of standing up for human rights?



I always respond to MPACUK's Action Alerts on Palestine and human rights - but I don't expect MPACUK to defend those mosques who refuse to defend themselves let alone the Ummah!


So you believe we need Accounability, yet you support the unaccountable mosque leadership??

does: mpac = nepotism + younger version of the mosque committees members? you decide.

mpac you want the mosques to do something about the dvd, can we have some practical tips please. Tell us what to do and I'll get my local mosque to do it inshAllah.

I second nadeemios motion of no confidence, how many votes does it take to effect change. If mpac is democratic, where is the constitution so we know the rules of the organisation? Do we have to join mpac, and how do you do this. How long do you have to be in mpac before you can vote etc.? Who is in charge? What is the hierarchy?

But I haven't lost all confidence in mpac yet, but I'm getting there.

Ramadan Mubarak to all muslims and mpacs peoples.

But lobbying and pressuring the mosques is having an effect and it is being successful right now. Is this 'wait for a khilafa' attitude just an excuse for shirking the Muslim duty of Jihad - of protecting our Ummah, having had evidence of their oppression and torture? Are you just going to sit and take increasingly aggressive Islamophobia until Jesus comes again (if you're still alive at that time, that is)? Or are you going to at least try and make life better for even a handful of our brothers and sisters - ones you'll never even talk to and, perhaps, ones that you see every day?

MPAC please don't stop!

Keep up the good work. Thanks to you we are kept aware of so many issues which would otherwise have passed us by, as they are largely/completely ignored by the mainstream media.

My only issue with you is that you shouldn't put hot issues on the page unless you have DONE something (however little)about it already.

Thanks.

Assalaam alaikum and Greetings

I think that until Mosque Leaders think beyond the walls that are our Mosques, we 'ordinary' Muslims should 'print-off' Muslim issues (as identified by the likes of MPAC, say) and ask our 'esteemed' commitee members to at least allow us to display the articles on the Mosque Notice boards.

Assuming, that is, Mosques do have notice boards.

That way, issues such as not buying Israeli dates, thinking about our brethen in China, Palestine, etc, will be noticeable by the congregation. Some Muslims may do something about it. At the very least, the congregation will be aware of the issues.

I mean, if Mosque Commitees can place "adverts" within Moqsues for

Room-to-let-in-a-Mosque-(but-not-at-the-price-you-think)

or

male-circumcision-by-unknown-dubious-surgeon-youve-not-heard-of,

then the least they can do is allow Muslims to place up an 'advert' concerning Muslim issues.

Unless the notice board is for them and them only, to advertise who the management committee are and how unapproachable they are.

Wasalaams

Yes, an organisation that actually does something to defend Muslims is really going to stop its work because of some pathetic apologist for the mosques who expects things to be done for him while he sits around complaining. Top strategy. Keep it up.

As for the "khilafah" comment.. its so stupid, its not even funny. You're honestly telling me you're willing to sit around and do nothing while your family is being attacked in the media; while Muslims are actually being murdered because of their religion; while our women are having veils set on fire?
Yes, wait around for the magic day when this khilafah comes. You don't even realise that sitting around will mean there wont be any Muslims in the government or any other institution in this country to bring about such a thing.

Its astonishing that these morons come out of the woodwork to bash the institutions that are doing something, when they don't look at their own cowardice and hypocrisy for sitting back.

I am not sure if the Masjids are positioned or able to influence national or world affairs such as the oppression of our Chinese brothers and sisters or the instance of distribution of Islamophobic material in America. Judging by what I have witnessed they should be effectual and active within what is in their reach, ie they're local community, projecting Islam, serving the community of Muslims and non-Muslims equally through provisions and activities, nurturing a love of Islam and its practice amongs their congregation whilst standing resolutely against all types of extremeism and social injustice, whether against Muslims or non-Muslims. I am currently studying in Thames Valley and my local is in West London at www.wliconline.org, not entirely perfect but an open, hospitable and fun place with a good message of principled moderation. So lets not tarnish all our establishments with the same brush guys.

oh the irony. This article is all about attacking other muslims. And if MPACUK is about defending Muslims then why didnt they defend the Muslims who got attacked on channel 4 Dispatches, why do they say they want to fight with Hizbuttarir, tableegi jamaat and others?

And this term 'mosque leaders' is a complete misnomer and inaccurate anyway. There's no such thing as a mosque 'leader'.

MPACUK Please note that this is not in China, but Chinese occupied East Turkistan.

So no reply to my earlier post, I can only assume mpac have nothing to suggest. I have offered to take up your suggestions with regards to these DVD's with my local mosque, so tell me what you want from the mosque?

Well?

Dont hold your breath bro/sis, I asked them how we hold a vote of no confidence for the current unelected MPACUK leaders and still got not answer. Looks like we will have to accept the family that run the MPACUK 'empire' are here to stay come rain or shine.

I can live with that, but it's a shame they and their supporters have to preach but not practice themselves when they dictate to others about electing leaders.

Maybe they are thinking about it

Lol well according to you we cant - #i thought you agreed with the dictator thugs in charge!

Classic an apologist for mosque mafia now wants a vote!

Why don't you propose a solution?

Why don't you go and join any local organisation/group and do something beneficial?

Why do you need someone to hold your hand?

Why can't you be the instigator of change?

Why aren't you inspired to find solutions?

Why are you so preoccupied with complaining?

I have met MPACers and they have a can do attitude. They don't always have the answers but neither do they claim to.

I bet you won't take up the challenge (because it sounds too much like hard work....shame because I know a group that TRY).

Oh why so negative?

Why don't YOU organise yourself and put into action your plan. If you try and fail, then good on you (but expect to have people very similar to yourself moan that you didn't do something right).

Fear the day when you meet your Creator and he asks you why you obstructed and complained about the efforts of others.

Seriously, what are you talking about.

I need to understand where you are coming from.

What empire are you talking about?

Maybe you like dabbling in hearsay rather than facts.

Grow up.

man, all you and your ilk you roar like brave lions on the internet hiding behind your comps.

in front of these 'dictator thugs' you are meek and humble and quiet like a sqeeky mouse. Dont you find that embarressing?

What is not happening is oppression of the "entire Muslim community in China". What is happening is the oppression of Uighur Turks in Xinjiang province. Han Chinese do not face the same oppression.
The root of this oppression goes back a long way and unfortunately the Communist Party of China has always regarded the Uighur as a threat. As a consequence they implemented a policy post-1949 of settling ethnic Han Chinese in Xinjiang province. The Uighur had allied themselves to the KuoMinTang from the 1920's and had been loyal to the 1911 revolution. To compound this Uighurs had close links with other Turks in the USSR and were seen as a threat by Community China.
Relations between Uighurs and Han in Xinjiang have always been strained since 1949. Han having more power than the Uighur have frequently deliberately abused their position and sought to offend Uighur religious sensibilities.
However this does not apply to Han Chinese Muslims, and anyone who knows China will be aware that Muslims have generally fared much better than Christians. Chinese Muslims are very active amongst Chinese occupation forces in Tibet, and the Tibetans cite them as being amongst the most corrupt.
As with most situations around the world, this issue is complex and rooted in history. What is a pity is that Muslims around the world have largely ignored the suffering of the millions of Uighur.

You get more and more dense every day. Go back to school - you would win every argument in the play ground!

In front of the muslims you are brave like a lion, in front of the zionists you are a monkey.

Lol are you for real? looks like nadeemio is now concerned about Allah - all this time when evidence from the Quran and sunnah is given about why the mosque leaders are sinful and should be removed you dont care - now ...you demand people FEAR ALLAH...talk about hypocrite!

You advocate violence against muslims, agree with nepotism, apologise for decay and thuggary...and you talk of Allah...

brother you need to get down on your knees and take the Shahadah again it seems ..you dont know the meaning of islam nor do you fear Allah.

Brother im confused? ... you dont agree with mosque voting systems as it might get the great leaders who 'built the mosque' kicked out ...and now you want voting in mpac when your upset?????

double standards?

As usual the Zio-nasty has made up a bumch of facts in the mossad lab. Strange how lying comes so naturally to them.

Evidence please ...as an expert on China i would like to tear your sources (as i know you dont have any)apart.

Racist pigs like you should be put in a zoo for normal human to see ..lest we ever devolve into you.

oh? Ok so tell me, which one are you, are you a lion or a monkey in front of the zionists?

hahaha, if this is the kind of influence MPACUK has on Muslims then God help us.

no not really.

I dont think you see my point. I dont care if the brothers that setup and run thier own project called MPACUK are unelected and the permanent and unremovable leaders of thier project. They are the rightful leaders of the project they initiated, establised and run. And the same applies to all those individual muslims who carried out thier own mosque project off thier own backs.

My point is that the unelected leaders of MPACUK have no right dicatating to others that they have no right to lead their own project and that they should infact have themselves replaced by have some kind of election.

The whole idea of electing mosque leaders is quite frankly ridiculous impossible to implement.

Who is eligible to vote?
Who is eligible to stand?
Who decides who can stand?


Harsh truth is that if some muslims dont like any mosque then set up your own and run it how you like. But I dont think such people have either what it takes to establish a mosque or the inclination - they just want to play the blame game.