HAHA, so pathetic - all over 30p!

BTW is that 10% figure correct? We only make up 3% of the population in Britain.

Yep, moan about the Mail.

Ignore the fact that so many so called muslims are actually incarcerated in British jails. Let's not take a moment to consider why.

(And no they are not there because of some Jooo / Zionist / CIA plot to frame all muslims.)

A great deal of the muslims in british prisons are either drug dealing scumbags or nasty violent scumbags.

If they really took their faith seriously, why are they in prison, in the first place ?

Instead of moaning about coverage of these criminals demands for toilets facing the right way, special meals, prayer rooms and so on, why don't you address that ?

Biggsy,

Whether they've committed a crime or not is beside the point. These people have a right to pray and pray in the right direction.

If 30p per prisoner is such a big deal to you and the police - then you can always look on a map or there are sites on the net which show you which direction Mecca is in. Simple isn't it?

And another thing - I think you'll find the some muslim priosners in this country have never been charged or tried of any crime - held purely on 'secret' evidence. So Biggsy - what is it that some of these prisoners have done?

Can we be objective for a moment, without the usual resort to the usual refrain of Islamphobia, Victimisation, Conspiracy blah, blah, blah.

Yes, we know a few muslims are in British jails on murky legal grounds relating to terrorism.

That is not my point.

Muslims supposedly make up say 3% of the UK population.

Muslims make up say 10% of Britains incarcerated criminal population.

Now, why does nobody ever address that ?

No, we mustn't criticise "Brothers" can we ?

Nice big new BMWs and Mercedes parked in the driveways of poorer residential areas in certain towns. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Complain about the media and the prisons.

But don't ask why there are so many muslims in there in the first place.

Such is the "Brothers" way.

When did I resort to any of the above?

There are lots of reasons as to why there is a higher proportion of Muslims in prison - one reason being the 'murky legal grounds' other reason around education, employment, etc.

But this topic is not about the cause of crime is it? Its about prisoner who are Muslim being able to pray in the right direction and prison and police officers being too thick to be able to use the net and/or maps to find the direction of Mecca.

Prisoners have rights - regardless of who they are, what they might or might not have done. They are still human beings.

You can look at the increased percentage as either being due to the increased criminality in certain communities, or as being the fault of the british set-up who treat muslims more harshly than white folk.

Both are possible.

There are two issues I would like to make. Surely if prisoners are reminded of Islam while in gaol it is likely that they will refelct upon their wrong doing, whichis the beginning of repentence. On percentages, there are significant numbersof people that convert to Islam in prison which may reflect the seemingly high figure.

Well I hope that Zulfi Bakhari would step down, he is taking MPAC down the wrong path. Really full of himself, what for? cannot hold a real job, got sacked on several occassions. Kinda person you would take an instant dislike too.

they would(and should) not be in prison if we have a bit of sharia for the scum bags!that suit you primey?lets give the little cherubs sharp knives,so they can do their own halal meat,their own wings(which they have asked for),so the darlings don't have to be near us dirty infidels(unless they want to commit a crime)!also,instead of exercise with the rest of the lags,us tax payers could pay for haj.educational classes in,bomb making,arrogance,rudeness and how to insult your host nation.what would you say if the prisoner was a jew?as for your conspiracy theories,get a ****ing life!if you are all so concerned about mecca,go and live there,no compass required!

If we must do this, can you please prove that the Muslims in prison that you are referring to were Muslims *before* they went to prison, rather than converted/reverted to Islam whilst actually in prison.

Also, it is well known that Muslims are more likely to be stopped and searched in the street, making it more likely that they will be caught in a criminal act, that alone will skew prison stats against Muslims.

Additionally, I'd take a guess that an analysis of the socio-economic background of those Muslims in prison (that is to say, those who were Muslims *before* being imprisoned) will reveal that they are from hard-up working class families, and achieved lower standards educationally than their non-Muslim class mates who may well have the advantage of parents who can speak fluent English and who know how the educational system works and how to use it.

When those Muslims got out into the real world, they discovered that bad grades, coupled with a bias of white non-Muslims towards hiring other white non-Muslims probably constricted their work prospects. Please note, I'm not saying all white people are racist, nor that white people can not be Muslim, I'm just saying that white people are more likely to hire other white people, and non-Muslims are more likely to hire non-Muslims, not from any conscious choice to be racist, but just because that's just the Psychology works. You are most likely to get a job if you are a tall white right-handed man, so if you are a short, brown left-handed girl, the statistics are piled against you.

This is not to apportion blame or guilt. Just to lay out the facts that a first year Sociology student would have an immediate grasp of.

The assertion that there are more Muslims in jail *because of some inherent criminal tendencies within Muslims* is a fallacy, for a whole host of reasons.

Now, anybody care to discuss the disproportionately high levels of ethnic minorities attending Medical school? Apparently 30% of attendees are from minorities, how do we explain this? Is it because ethnic minorities are more intelligent? Or could there be some other reasons?

Templar you complete thicko – at what point did I mention any conspiracy theories?

If 30% of the prison population is non-Muslim – what about the other 70% non – muslim? So using your analysis what does that say about non-Muslims?

Tax payers? You’re a tax payer?!!! You can barely string a sentence together – let alone do any kind of job. In fact its probably my tax that pays the benefits you probably claim!

As for going back to Mecca? I know this is going to hurt you considerably – but guess what – I was born here, educated here and work here and pay tax to keep this country going. I’m not going anywhere. I am as British as you whether you like it not.

30p compasses? What an absolute outrage! I paid £5 for mine... I should march back down to the shop where I bought mine and make an official complaint.

Templar does not work, he is a un-employed sponger as his posting time prove "(9) 2009-07-02 18:17:28".

Since the mods who censor my actual Arabic Jewish posts do not like me telling the truth, no wonder this site is losing my support.