may allah (swt) forgive muslims who were shouting at their brothers for following quran & sunnah i feel very sad
they did not make trouble for us twisted british journalism did

Where is the evidence in the Quran and Sunnah for that ridiculous title?

I feel very sad for a website that purports to be Muslim that has now twice in the space of a week published articles that declare that anyone who is not 100% supportive of the MPAC position is not a proper Muslim (or indeed even a human being). I think this confirms the growing suspicion that MPAC is more of a hinderance than a help to the Muslim community in Britain.

Muslimah and Saddened you're both completely missing the point of the article, just read through it carefully and analyse what message it is propagating before shooting the messenger. We're in a sorry state of affairs, we must defeat this state of apathy in Muslims. We Must be proactive and prevent injustices being perpetrated against Islam and Muslims, rather than being reactive when the injustice has already occurred.

Why is it that if something does not affect Muslims directly they fail to take any action, but when it comes on their own doorstep and hits them right in the face only then do they take any meaningful action?

Our Ummah is divided and will never unite on points of Fiqh or views on certain aspects of Islam, but we should be united in action in the defence of our Ummah, only then shall we gain our freedom from the oppressors in this country and abroad, inshaAllah.

most muslims living in great britian fear being unwelcome they use this explanation to justify their actions against any muslim

who has public opinion not in favour of them and to withdraw from argument

i think if anyone has a hangup on the title, they have

1) totally misunderstood their religion and need to do some serious concious reflecting, of that which islam encourages relentlessly

2)they have no comprehension of jiahd other then a literal and diluted dictated one, therefore end up having no comprehension of real islam and its purpose

3)they have no comprehension of the point of the prophets saw life

4)and that they should not assume that the other 50% is meant to imply you are kaffir but that the other 50% means you are a monk or a nun who practices islam. the lifestyle of a monk or nun is not approved in islam, no offence to them, but thats totally not what islam is....think about it

Have you never heard of a play-on-words?

Bloody hell, go do something productive. Go on. Shoo!

Nightcrawler,

And you have entirely missed my point, which is that accusing Muslims who do not act in ways that MPAC might approve of being only 50% Muslims, or (as in the earlier offensive tripe published on this site) of not being fully Muslim or human, is offensive, counter-productive and entirely wrong.

Offending people may make you feel better about yourself and your frustrations; but it is not the way forward.

Ming appears to be equally arrogant - perhaps Ming mught like to reflect that jihad takes many forms, none of which -as far as I recall -involve deliberately seeking to offend the community you are purporting to defend.

Mitsubishi:-

Nothing will change until you realise that British journalism was not responsibe for some muslims shouting at others! For goodness sake - everyone is responsible for their own actions, you cannot keep blaming others or you will never make progress!

Did the journalists round up the guys from the mosque and make them shout at the other chaps? No,didn't think so! The men from the mosque did this of their own accord, not at the behest of the press!

The writers for MPAC are seriously losing it!

the opposite of muslim is kufr.

MPAC is going off the rails big time.

mpac needs to combat and stop promoting its' own salafi/wahabhi/khwarij ideologies before it can talk about muslim cohesion. this is the best website to visit when i need a laugh

mpac needs to combat and stop promoting its' own salafi/wahabhi/khwarij ideologies before it can talk about muslim cohesion. this is the best website to visit when i need a laugh

I've heard of playing on words, this isn't it. Ming: that's an extremely infantile and ignorant post. What you're effectively doing is castigating the majority of Muslims who don't subscribe to the idea that has been presented above - how childish and dangerous. Dangerous because it places you ever so close to the takfeeri mindset that has equally misunderstood the noble calling of Jihad.

This is actually a good article for once MPAC, with a good thought out point.

agree i feel lots have "lifestyle of monk" and seem to think that is enough and makes them good muslim

Mitsubishi,

You either have a very popor grasp of monastic life, or an extremely poor grasp of the meaning of ascestism in general.

Francis of Assisi argued that it was not simply enough to have faith; one also had to act upon this faith in ways to better the world. He was, of course, the founder of the Fransciscan Order of ... cough... monks.

The ascetic way is not alien to Islam; nor, in general, is it contradictory with the demand that we act in this world.

You need to stop seeing things in black and white; and perhaps stop preaching in such a condemnatory manner about others when you clearly do not know either of what you are preaching, nor know the intentions or actions of those others.

This was an incredibly insulting and deliberately offensive article. One in a series of such, which rather begs the question whether it is MPAC's intentions to persuade others of the merits of their case - or, whether it is actually an implicit signal of the poverty of thinking that lies behind much of MPAC's ridiculous and offensive posturing.

This article has done quite a lot of damage to MPAC's reputation, which - let us be frank - what not particularly good amongst the more thoughtful or reflective in our community to start with.

You seem to be suggesting that if people stop and think about things they are not good Muslims, Mitsubishi. That is just plain wrong and stupid.

So jihad is 50% of Islam, is it?

Hmmmm, I don't recall any scholar arguing this before.

Let me guess, along with all the other takfiri, the MPAC spin is not that we don't need scholars?

How very convenient when your membership seems to have the IQ on average of a house sparrow.

You lot are a complete joke.

not suggesting anything,
living peaceful life and worthwhile actions is one thing:
learning more about religion to follow it is another
To suggest FREE THOUGHT equals enemy is quite Dangerous

no good muslims stop and think but you can not claim to be muslim if you don't believe or do what is prescribed for you

if you are merely trying to agitate then you are deeply mistaken because i will not try to justify islam for anyone it is our own responsibility to learn your faith and to act upon it
to please others is not way of life the struggle comes from within which in turn helps us to help others hence there is no compulsion in Islam

whatever you are good or bad,you should know yourself
you do not have to comply to anything i say

WTF are you talking about, Mitsubishi? Do you actually know yourself?

You have claimed that reflection and thinking are not part of the Muslim creed. Yet you refuse to justify your ridiculous remarks about action for action's sake.

Either stand by your arguments and defend them, or - better still - do not make them and betray the fact that you are a total clown in the first place.

It is depressing and telling that you assume, Mitsubishi, that the people who disagrew with you are necessarily not Muslims. This directly implies that you believe that anyone who does not agree with you is not a Muslim, or is not a good enough one.

That is disturbing - as it suggests, firstly, that you presume to know the religious identity of those who object to your line of argument; and, secondly, that you assume that your grasp of Islam is better than those who do not agree with you.

It is exactly this strain of arrogant. intensely conceited, opinionated and plain erroneous line of march that many find so objectionable about this website and MPAC in general.

To all the people who missed the point of the article read it again, and understand it.
You may use a dictionary if you dont understand the harder words, or search it up on the Internet.

Commando - yours is exactly the sort of conceited, arrogant, offensive attitude that many of us find objectionable.

Grow up.

yes agree with commando, be vary of taking things literally, and try not to get distracted by any anger, which on the face of it is understandable.

honestly try to understand the article. read beyond the title.

what i personally meant by monks is that they seperate from the world.

this is not what the prophet saw did, nor are muslims meant to do such a thing, which they completely do now.

and also muslims do not think in terms of 'the prophet saw suffered for us all' no the prophet suffered for jihad, not only establishing islam but even before islam he established justice.

so muslims should never just struggle for islam, but for justice as well which is the big part of jihad, that many muslims ignore.

D'oh - will Ming and Commando (who I suspect are one and the same) actually read what others have written, rather than continuing to miss the point entirely... that is, if they can read.

good article, sham about majority of the commentators.

As for the twat who is asking for the evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah? Have you ever read the Quran and the Sunnah?

Or is that what you say whenever you hear something uncomfortable. Like when you failed your driving test for the 20th time, did you ask him, where is your proof?

it has been miss quote i will type again properly

no;
good muslims stop and think but you can not claim to be muslim if you don't believe or do what is prescribed for you.
this is what i meant to say first time

see the problem with people like you is you result to insults, calling people illeterate, when the sad case is that the prophet saw was the same.

for the prophet saw the saving of a life came before islam, because it was islam. but muslims have seperated the two, islam has been sliced into as if a baby had been decapitated.

now i have not missed the point, i understand some muslims are offended by the article because they think its against islam, when all it is is metaphor, so here is a definiton of what a metaphor is...

A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison

"calling people illeterate"

The word is *illiterate*. ROFL. Case proved, rather.

And the Prophet may (or may not) have been able to read or write; but he was not a bigot - like you, Ming.

What are you going on about?

Stop diverting from the point that you and your cronies are simply insulting people.