The Ulema are puppets of regimes and will exploit religion to silence people.

What a silly MPACUK article.

Firstly this OPINION held by Sheikh Saalih al-Fawzaa is not new at all, see here from back in 2002 http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0020414.htm

Secondly, Muslims have to accept that their are differences of opinion regarding a multitude of issues and so just condemning and pouring scorn on others' opinion you dont agree with is just foolish and blaming them for the crimes of others is even more foolish.

Thirdly, although I have been on many demos myself including two over the current Gaze genocide I do have to admit myself that part of me does think it's a complete waste of time - kind of 'asking politely' some evil megalomaniac state like the Zionazi entity and the USA to stop their genocide. However I will continue to go to demos inshallah. But please give this shayke a break.

All you do with articles like this is just create more fitnah amongst muslims

Re Voltage brother the puppet lover, What a surpise Mr ignorant jerk who agrees with Mosque thugs in this country getting violent now back a nut scholar who says do not do anything against israel.

Someone turn the switch off the voltage has got to his head.

You haven't posted on here in days, and the one article you do post on you're defending our incompetent Muslim leaders.

Look at how outraged you are about your precious leaders being attacked, but you're not half as outraged at what's happened to our Ummah. Shame on you.

these people are illegitimate and despicable, they need to be taken to a local abattoir and dispatched. It is because of these corrupt Kings and Puppets that’s keeping the Arab and The Muslim World behind. Just have a look at the other fool at the background prince Bander Bush, he’s very close to the bush family and helped in the war effort in Afghanistan, Iraq and no doubt now Palestine. These people just make you ill, what happened to the other one; ‘King of Jordan’ claims he’s a Hasimite but acts as a Kufarimite. Brainless fools of Arabia, without honor or dignity.

I personally think we should not any thing from those scholors who are on the pay-roll of the saudi regime. as ibne taymiya said" Do not trust the ruling of the scholor you see at the gates of the rulers" these saudi government scholors are not at the gates they are in BED with the rgime. Saudi Gov.scholors work for SAuds who work for Americans Who work for Zionists Who work for SATAN

Of course all Muslims leaders are complicit they have to be! Who put them in charge of these countires? They hate their own populations and hate Islam because they want to hold on to their power and unlimited riches. Absolute power and wealth corrupts! No one elected them and they dont answer to anyone (except thier masters in the West) There is only one solution and that is what the brave Iranian people did to the CIA puppet and Western Stooge the evil Shah another anti-Islamic unelected leader who also hated his own population. The first revolution must be in Egypt and then in Saudi and in Algeria and in Syria and in Jordan and then the people will demand war on Israel from their representative governments!

Assalaam alaikum and Greetings

I've been hearing quite a lot of things that Saudi Scholars are (supposedly) saying. I'm not sure if any of this is propaganda against them, by the Israelis.

I've read certain posts claiming Arab Rulers want Israel to destroy HAMAS, Islamic Jihad, Hizbullah, because they are SHIA and deserve to die.

I've heard certain posts claiming Arab Rulers blames the Palestinians for their destruction, in voting for HAMAS. And Arab is on the side of Israel in this respect.

etc.

Deep down, I believe these are lies, as I cannot image a Muslim who has said the Kalima could say such things at this time.

Even if a few Scholars in Arabia have said such a thing, there will be other Arab Scholars against this.
And certainly, the mass ARAB population won't be on their sides.

To my mind, Arab rulers do have in their capacity to bring closure to the Palestinian / Israeli conflict, by threatening to amass their armies there or using Oil to bring economic meltdown of the USA economy.

BUT Arab rulers will not do this because they are probably thinking of preserving their own positions, their own wealth, their own palaces, rather than looking at the suffering of the Palestinians and openly (as opposed to secretly) helping thier Palestinian Brothers.

Things will change however, when oil runs out and when the USA shun them (eventually). Only then they will relaise that they have been had, and once they live thier lives in poverty, then jihad will become in their (arab) hearts.

If this Scholar has suggested that Demonstrations are "corruption", he probably fears that if demonstrations are allowed then people may demonstrate against the Saudi Rulers and bring down the monarchy. SO, to his mind, no demonstrations are allowed.

He may also be against demonstrations because they will bring Islam to the forefront of the media and it (Islam and Muslims) will be the subject of Islamophobia thereby undermining the overall cause.

Whatever the reason, the Scholar is WRONG as he does not understand how protests work in the West. They are a useful tool. Seeing all the protests on the media, shows the whole world that the Israeli actions are unjust.

Furthermore, if comments such as "HAMAS deserve to die because they are SHIA" are indeed correct, then I am sickened.

As far as my principle as a (SALAFI) SUNNI is concerned, if HAMAS are attacked by the Israeli occupation forces then it is my duty to help them defend OUR Palestinian brothers, and our HOLY LAND.

Sects do not come into play when the enemy attacks Muslims or Muslim lands. The Kalima should bind us together in these circumstances.

Certainly the enemy does not differentiate between SHIA and SUNNIS when they fire upon Muslims.

Wasalaams

The ulema have no choice. Either they back the King and the princes or they'll be thrown into jail. But I do find it funny when I read about the fatwas they give re how women should be dressed or how this group is deviant or that leader is a kuffar but when it comes to the Saudi monarchy they forget their religion.

What is needed is an uprising in Saudi Arabia to take down the hypocrite Saudi Regime.

The Saudi's have brothers and son's in every govenrment or high ranking department making this very difficult. The voice has to come from within. May Allah bles those with high iman to speak out and take control of this hypocritic regime and punish those who do nothing.

Only than will we see the alliance of the Muslim world, and attcaking Muslim communities will become a thing of the past when America is challenged strategically by the Muslims world.

The Arab league is a racist organsiation which is corrupt and interested in making millions for the arab rulers through business with the western zionist regimes.

Didn't our beloved prophet PBUH say on his last sermon that all muslims are equal regaerdless whether arab or not. Yet the arab league never meets to discuss child poverty issues in Africa or south asia. They neither meet to discuss massacres of mulsims in other parts of the world.

I think we need a new league to firstly punish these hypocrites and racists first.

You are clearly confused, the scholar in question has not asserted that Muslims should do nothing against the Zionist Entity, rather he has asserted that DEMONSTRATIONS are not good and indeed counter productive. I happen to disagree but he is a scholar and his opinion deserves respect. WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO SCORN THE JUDGEMENT HE HAS REACHED WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE REGARDING DEMONSTATIONS? I'm sure he would say going to Palestine for jihad or helping the mujahideen would be good, he's just talking about demos and from my experience he has a point, what the hell did the millions who marched against the Iraq war achieve? NOTHING. This is that the fascist governments like the British and American regimes want the masses to do, they want them to demonstration and nothing more because they know demonstrations acheive little.

Who's defending leaders?

This article is about a scholar and it is an example of playing the blame game. Muslims feel helpless and inadequate about what's happening so they start blaming others for what's going on. This is very counter productive.

I have to disagree Asif, although I understand what you mean.

The scholar role isn't to live a life of obedience towards fear of men, or what happens to them. Their role, purpose is to our Lord Allah SWT and they should fear Him more than the puppet rulers, kings, princes.

That's the difference and it is in these times, we shall see who is really faithful, true to Allah SWT.

Look right back at companions (RAA) and see what they went through. No matter what jail, or torture, or whatever, they took it on.

So, since they are silent, since they do not do what needs to be done or said, you can't really trust them when they say..

"Fear Allah!"

And yet, they fear jail, torture from men.

Do you mean all Ulema, everywhere: Britain, Iran, Saudi, etc etc. So I may now take it that if those who are supposed to be the scholars of Islam are all corrupt that rather point to Islam itself as being its cause?

The truth is I suspect that some perhaps most Muslims will simply side with whoever agrees with their own viewpoint and the rest are corrupt.

Once again SilverLJ makes a random irrelevant post! who is this comedian?? please be relevant instead of twisting other peoples words in their posts! Thats all this lunatic does!! Has any one else noticed this? Looks like hes and agent provocateur on web posts...lol wahat a sad looser..lol I suggest evertone ignores his posts until he has something constructive to say!

you hit the nail on the head there. And this is the cancer that dominates in the muslim ummah. It's the 'I'm right and you're wrong' mentality, it the 'either with us or against us' mentality. We see it here on MPACUK and with other Muslim groups how each claim the high moral ground and constantly scorn and condemn other muslim groups that dont share the same method or opinions.

Until individual Muslims change their attitude to difference then muslims will always be disunited.

The 'Salafi' / 'Wahabbi' belief is that you should not rise up against a unjust ruler. Rather you should try to change their minds gradually and pray to Allah to Guide them. So you will never hear a Saudi scholar say that there should be a revolution or any kind of uprising against the monarchy. However there are also Shia and Sunni scholars in Saudi Arabia but they are too scared to say anything because they know they will be thrown into jail. What will they do then? Who will they speak to then? Their supporters will be crushed. I'm sure there are some very good scholars in Saudi Arabia but they don't do themselves any favours when all they do is behave like a puppet.

This is typical of many postings, someone who thinks abuse is the same as argument - what hope is there for the future if its populated with people like this. I ask a question but all I get as an answer is to be called: a lunatic, an agent, a provocateur and sad loser.

Is it any wonder that Muslims get such bad press when they can only listen to what they agree with and everything else must be wrong.

Good. That proves all the more that the his holiness is an Israeli agent.





Hamas is the democratically elected party of Gaza. Therefore their decision is right. Your claim about “differences” is a Zionist attempt to create the same especially when there are (nor should be) no differences in Muslim policy towards Israel. You remind me of the Israeli propagandists in the media who falsely claim the Hamas are Shia which is why the “Sunni moderates” ( the Stalinist dictatorships) of the Arab world are not supporting Hamas. And since when have the murderous despots of Kuwait, Egypt and Saudi started respecting “differences of opinion”? In any case what is better? A democratically elected government which takes a balanced decision to fight a just war or your favourite Arab dictator who hides behind the protection of US and UK soldiers nd bribes the sheikh and you to criticise Hamas.




Condemning Israeli snipers for taking pot-shots on the chests of Muslim babies is not “foolish”. Why don't you come and meet us and we will tell you what foolish is.



We are only blaming you for your own crime..



I am surprised you have better things to do (such as what?). If you want to have a bit of fun I have an idea for you, please see below:



I note that you missed the UK.Unfortunately the evil Zionazis (strong superlatives to use for your masters is it not?) and their client states the USA and UK are slightly more civilized than your sheikh in Saudi Arabia. How does one ask the Sheikh to support Hamas without suddenly disappearing into a torture cell?




In the next demo against Israel why don't we put you on the stage and throw shoes at you? It will give your “shayke” in Saudi a break and you won't get bored or think it a waste of time. In fact we will upload the video on the internet too.



You and your sheikh ARE the fitna. You and your sheikh are the reason why Muslims continue to ply Israel with oil whilst Israeli jets and Israeli tanks bomb Gaza to the stone age and massacre our brothers and sisters with that oil.You are the reason why the Arab Sheikhs who came to the UK to the rescue of Lloyds-TSB and Barclays and showered millions on their concubines have no money to offer to the starving children of Gaza. You are the reason why exactly 1369
lunar years ago today Prophet Mohammad's ( Peace Be Upon Him) grandson gave his life simply so that this ummah would never have to live under the kind of CIA-sponsored Yazidi yoke in which the Israeli stooges of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi and other Muslim countries hold the ummah. It is their “zulm” on Muslims and their dependence on Israeli support which prevents them from raising a voice against the massacres of Gaza. As for apolitical Saudi-funded fundies like you, you are not one of us for criticising those who are trying to support the innocent Muslims of Gaza.

No wonder the Zionists love you for your disgusting support for a system of “government” which became obsolete in the West around 1776 and in turn you love the Zionists and hate Hamas.

Does any one know where I can get hold of the T-shirt worn by frederick Kanoute?

Is this not true that there is a Starbucks in a builfin next to the Prophet's mosque in Madina. I have seen it with my own eyes in 2003. I was disgusted!

Forget the 'Muslim Leaders' abroad, what about the impotent Muslim representatives here in the UK. Though I have always held him inhigh regard, Sadiq Khan in a very slippery, diplomatic and silver-tounged monotone had this to say in an email sent from his office, forwarded to me earlier:

'I am greatly saddened and deeply concerned by the recent recourse to the cycle of violence by both sides. Hamas has launched rocket attacks into Israel targeting civilians, while the consequences of Israeli military action in Gaza over the last thirteen days has been all too clear:The loss of innocent civilian life - in either Gaza or Israel - is utterly unacceptable, but I agree with the comments made recently by the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, echoing the EU statement that Israel's use of force has been entirely disproportionate.'

Come on Sadiq, as a Muslim solicitor specialising in humanitarian law your response is to say the least muted, you could have safely have added the word 'condemn' in your circular and 'frustrated at my governments refusal to rebuke a classic example of state terror'. Instead you talk about primitive Hamas rockets in the same breath as Israel's mamoth firepower and killing machine, Shame on you brother, I guess its down to the side your bread is buttered on. I will be mailing you my sentiments on sadiqkhan@sadiqkhan.org.uk

The scholar's should take a leaf out of Imam Abu Hanifa's (and other great scholars who stood upto corruption) Book:

Imam Abu Hanifa was probably the most liberal of the four great Imams of fiqh. The Hanifi fiqh is thus the most flexible and adaptable. He saw Islamic law as an organic growth in which changes would be necessary from time to time as society changed. He advocated the use of reason based on the Quran and the Sunnah in the consideration of religious questions.

In 763 al-Mansur, the Abbasid ruler of Baghdad, offered Abu Hanifa the post of Chief Judge of the State, but the Imam declined to accept the offer choosing to remain independent.

In his reply to al-Mansur, the Imam excused himself by saying that he did not regard himself fit for the post. Al-Mansur, who had his own ideas and reasons for offering the post, lost his temper and accused the Imam of lying.

"If I am lying," the Imam said, "then my statement is doubly correct. How can you appoint a liar to the exalted post of a Chief Qadi?"

Incensed by this reply, the ruler had Imam Abu Hanifa arrested and locked in prison. Even there, Imam Abu Hanifa continued to teach those who were permitted to come to him.

In 765 Imam Abu Hanifa died in prison. So many people attended his funeral that the funeral service was repeated six times before the Imam was actually buried.

I would like to pose a very simple scenario for you to ponder. If the USA the so called "super power" was to have the triilions of dollars pulled from ts current crippled economy, have its oil and gas blocked, have its choke hold debts renegaded by "third world countries" and its media channels banned from our countries would it still remain a super power? It is us the people that allow these blood thirsty savages to rule our minds. Educate yourselves to distinguish between the lies and the truth. The sound of 6 billion muslims hearts breaking simultanuously at the continuous genocide of our brothers and sisters should provide the incentive to organise ourselves and beat the darkness that is zionism. We as a collectiive force are the real super power.

Reading through this article it becomes blindingly obvious why one and a half billion Muslims are rendered utterly ineffective and impotent in the face of a mere 6 million Zionists . Factionalism ,sectarianism and a seemingly visceral hatred existing between Shia and Sunni is a strong indicator of the fault lines in Islam which prevents it from presenting a unified whole .It would behove Islam to adopt the same sense of purpose and cohesion that the Zionists maintain in order to achieve their goals . The reality is that Israel is the one lightening rod which appears to galvanise Muslims and wake them from their lethargy .

As for the Saudis ,their oil will run dry within 100 years and their entire edifice will sink back into the sands in due course .

We read this from a contributor called called "to the Zionist collaborators..."

"Hamas is the democratically elected party of Gaza. Therefore their decision is right."

Have you ever heard such rubbish, its not even worthy of a 4 year old.

What do you mean by "we"? Is this the Royal We?

Your Israeli masters and their stooges hear and understand this "rubbish" very well.

You seem very excited about "rubbish" from a "4-year old"? Are you simply ageist? Or do you (like Lawrence of Arabia) like little boys?

silverlj the hamas party is the democratically elected government of occupied palestine, it is their job to liberate occupied palestine.
the lowlifes known as leaders of the muslim world are the enemy within, for many years i have stated with conviction that the najdis are the muslims real enemy within.
if it was not for these lowlifes then 2 billion muslims would have stopped the slaughter in palestine-kashmir-chechnya-afghan-iraq and other places.

SilverLJ, the statement should perhaps read "Hamas is the democratically elected party of Gaza (Palestine). Therefore it has has authority to make decisions on behalf of the Palestinians" Arguments over right or wrong are always potentially contentious. Hamas has the authority from the Palestinian people to implement its policies in respect of Palestine and its relations with neighbouring states. As Hamas legitimately acts on behalf of the Palestinian people its actions are those of the Palestinian people and they are actions for which the Palestinian people are responsible. If they direct the Palestinian armed forces to attempt to kidnap IDF troops or launch rockets against Israeli / Zionazi civilian settlements, that is an expression of the Palaetsinian national will. If it was predictable that the Israelis / Zionazis would respond as they have, or it was the case that the Hamas govt failed ot asess the potential response, then the Palestinian people have responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
Any other interpretation is fundamentally racist as it would suggest that the Palestinians are intellectually less competant than other peoples in electorla democracies.

muslim need to unite fight for justice