| Gaza's Murderers have Iman, Muslims Don't |
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Gaza is under the worst attack possible and all we’re doing is freezing our backsides off marching the streets, which we know from the Iraq war demos to be ineffective. Or even worse, we’re throwing nominal amounts of ‘charity’ money at the problem. Yes there are charities that are willing to help. However, most of them are being banned. Or they ‘offer food and healthcare’ to the Palestinians, which they won’t receive because Israelis are stopping the aid from getting to them in the first place!    Readers have left 17 comments.
fez:
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HT are useless, why do we continue to isolate ourselves from the political situation were in. Lets all rise up, make sure our MP speak out, and if they dont, then vote them out. Im fed up with usless people who collect money and say all will be well in a khalifa, what about now!!!! lets all get active, get everyone involved in our local politics, lets put pressure on the murderous MP who voted for the war in iraq and who are reticent when palestinans dies.
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2009-01-05 23:04:49
Frank:
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Is it possible that you are suffering and losing because you have angered Allah by your attacks on Jews, inside and outside Israel?
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2009-01-06 12:45:34
Shazadkashmir:
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HT can go suck a camel toe, they go on about khilafah this and khilafah that, but where are they when these atrocities happen?
Yeah thats right, they sucking off elephants.
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2009-01-06 14:55:11
Mohammed:
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@shazadkashmir
@fez. So while the zionists are murdering the muslims of palestine, you two are attacking fellow muslims. Nice solution. The MP's represent the whole of their constituency not just muslims. Therefore, if the rest of the majority non-muslim constituents appose your view, you aren't going to be able to vote them out.
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2009-01-06 19:35:05
SilverLJ:
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What’s the lesson here for Muslims? Stop being “Muslim” in name. Go back to the first pillar and understand that it is not the other four pillars in one. Saying Shahadah means loving Allah and showing that we love and care for our Ummah by doing all that we can to end the oppression. The Khilafah is a gift from God. He won't reward us with it for ignoring our people when they are under attack. So, stand up right now as one united Ummah, and prove you're a Muslim by partaking in Jihad, or else we’ll continue being the biggest losers in this battle.
Comment - What can we say here, its only the Ummah Muslims care for not humanity and why it is we see so much oppression not from outside the Ummah but within it. Consider Iran, consider Iraq, consider Sudan. Do we see Muslim countries taking in Palestinians or if they do will it only be Muslim ones as if they are the only kind of Gaza citizen suffering? Is Allah only the God of the Muslims? Jihad, if it means anything of worth means struggle, struggle for peace and harmony, resistance of oppression and making hard choices. I hate the idea its about fighting and killing.
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2009-01-07 01:47:13
Rezbi:
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The HT are full of morons who think they're the chosen group who will go to heaven. I know this as one of them actually told me so.
But, the fact does remain that you do need to be careful in how you word things. It's true we as an Ummah are suffering for our own deeds, or lack of. But, to attribute our suffering to Allah (swt) and to say He created "Hell-on-Earth for us Muslims" is way out of line. There are certain thing you just don;t say, and that's one of them. You need to consider what you could be held accountable for. That's just a friendly pointer - be careful with your words in future.
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2009-01-07 09:42:01
SilverLJ:
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The HT are full of morons who think they're the chosen group who will go to heaven. I know this as one of them actually told me so. — RezbiBut, the fact does remain that you do need to be careful in how you word things. It's true we as an Ummah are suffering for our own deeds, or lack of. But, to attribute our suffering to Allah (swt) and to say He created "Hell-on-Earth for us Muslims" is way out of line. There are certain thing you just don;t say, and that's one of them. You need to consider what you could be held accountable for. That's just a friendly pointer - be careful with your words in future. I am not at all sure that this is right, we might not like saying Allah causes us to suffer but in Q:31:40 we read "God may test the faithful...' and that may men suffering,
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2009-01-07 13:33:46
@SilverLJ:
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It is other Muslims that the Ummah do not care for, sadly. Rather they care for the approval of society and worldly affairs. That's why Palestine, Sudan and other such countries are in such a dire condition.
Islam is a religion of humanity and justice for all. That doesn't involve kissing up to our men in power and ignoring the rest of the Ummah when in dire need. It involves um, well, fulfilling the responsibilities of a Muslim.
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2009-01-07 21:02:11
kalsoum:
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Comment - What can we say here, its only the Ummah Muslims care for not humanity and why it is we see so much oppression not from outside the Ummah but within it. — SilverLJIs Allah only the God of the Muslims? Jihad, if it means anything of worth means struggle, struggle for peace and harmony, resistance of oppression and making hard choices. I hate the idea its about fighting and killing. i hate to read such pathetic comments about muslims not wanting peace and justice and then riduculous examples are sought such as the case of iran, sudan, iraq, beacuse if it comes to that then we can come up with endless evidences and scenarios of tyrannical jews, christians? more secifically the situation of places like iraq have been forced upon them by the loving peacful america, evidently they have the money and media on their side. why should muslim countries take in palestinians? you contradict yourself by saying this, if this is a question of humanity then why don't the christian countries take them in or lets not go far, the israeli's themeslves; they the palestinians have the right to return to their own land, no matter what, and they will return. you clearly seem to have some understanding about the meaning of jihad in an islamic context yet you are quick to mention the media image of jihad. its like your justifying the killings in israel by saying what you say of muslims, instead of showing some compassion for the dead innocent palestinians; clearly the palestininas are mostly muslim, no doubt muslims would feel for them immensely, and it's just an emotional state of mind when one muslim complains to another muslim in the hope to revive one another, this in no way makes us care less about humanity; if it comes to that then the muslims are amongst the most hospitable and generous kind of people on earth who are quick to invite others to their faith with so much passion and want for truth to spread, this is very clear from statistical "scientific" findings. here the question is not a muslim or christian one; its about the death and destruction, and the need to put a stop to it. for many of us its a duty, we hope to fulfill for the sake of god, so it works as a reminder when your told that its your duty, to spread justice. speaking of the zionists, why aren't they ever told about the importance of humanity, oh yes i forgot, they're the chosen ones, when it comes to them then we musn't say a word...what a farce, double standards!
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2009-01-08 02:14:31
@ Frank:
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Is it possible that you are suffering and losing because you have angered Allah by your attacks on Jews, inside and outside Israel? — FrankStudy your history, Frank. Muslims are the only peoples who have ever allowed Jews to establish happy and successful lives within their lands and under Islamic leadership. Regarding the current context, again check your facts. The country of Israel is a superpower and an illegal and murderous occupation that has nothing to do with Judaism. Any Muslim "attacks" are purely in self-defence. However, yes, I agree, the terrible situation of the Muslims is the fault of the Muslims for displeasing Allah in numerous other ways. You cannot be ' "Muslim" in name' and expect to be rewarded.
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2009-01-08 09:00:08
SilverLJ:
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I hate to read such pathetic comments about muslims not wanting peace and justice and then riduculous examples are sought such as the case of iran, sudan, iraq, beacuse if it comes to that then we can come up with endless evidences and scenarios of tyrannical jews, Christians? more secifically the situation of places like iraq etc — kalsoumYou have a point because we know that genocide occurs because of religion(Drafur etc) and without it (Stalin, Polpot etc). What you do not seem to want to acknowledge is how often in history genocide and mascaras have occurred in the names of Islam and perpetrated by Muslims right from its inception and in living memory - that is all anyone is pointing out to you. No one as far a I know is saying that implies that all Muslims are killers and peace is the last think they want. I suppose the point that often occurs in this board is that Muslims cannot face up to their own history and cannot believe there is anything to be sorry about in Islam. Christians long ago faced up to what happened in say the Crusades and see it as a disgrace on their faith but Muslims always find horror in the Crusade idea but forget about their own crusades where huge swaths of lands were conquered and whole cultures destroyed.
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2009-01-08 17:01:09
SHAHIN:
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HT can go suck a camel toe, they go on about khilafah this and khilafah that, but where are they when these atrocities happen? — ShazadkashmirYeah thats right, they sucking off elephants. They're calling on the Muslim Armies to defend via Jihad Fi-Saabilillah and once and for all dispose this occupying illegal state of israel as well as their supporters (muslim tyrants/regimes/arab rulers). Why don't you check their website before jumping into your idiotic tantrums?
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2009-01-10 14:52:12
Abdul Hafiz:
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HT can go suck a camel toe, they go on about khilafah this and khilafah that, but where are they when these atrocities happen? — SHAHINYeah thats right, they sucking off elephants. They're calling on the Muslim Armies to defend via Jihad Fi-Saabilillah and once and for all dispose this occupying illegal state of israel as well as their supporters (muslim tyrants/regimes/arab rulers). Why don't you check their website before jumping into your idiotic tantrums? Oh yea, and like this is a realistic prospect - the puny Arab armies, from puny Arab states can stand up to the combined force of US and Israel. The Saudies needed the US Army to protect it from Saddam's out-of-date army while being one of the biggest arms buyers in the Middle East, after Israel. Hot words, nothing more.
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2009-01-10 23:24:50
caleb:
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let muslims tolerate and treat people of other religions as equals and not strive for their supmacist domination and violence against non muslims the problems of the mideast will be solved i guarantee you israel will not be able to continue the use of force
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2009-01-11 12:21:41
King:
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Strange,hundred of thousands of muslims are suffering in Africa but there is silence and no help but all this rioting over muslim who use their own people as pawns in Gaza
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2009-01-12 04:04:56
Tom Jenkins:
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If you really want to help the women and children of Gaza do all you can to persuade the Egyptian government to open their Gaza border so that they can be evacuated. If we do not try then we are as guilty of their deaths as anyone. Incidentally, the EU could fund the opperation. Tom
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2009-01-15 10:52:26
N/A:
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Who cares if one camel shagger blows up another camel shagger. Keep your middle eastern war bull**** out of the UK.
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2009-01-27 09:56:01
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I’ve already been called Kuffar by a HT brother for this, but Allah has already created this ever-worsening Hell-on-Earth for us Muslims, and it’s entirely our fault! The problem is that we lost Islam’s first pillar. Right now, what is Islam to us? Laa-ilaha-illallah is…well…out the window isn’t it. We say it once, believe that is enough and move on. C21st Islam, like a decrepit and derelict building, is an incomplete 4-pillar religion, a set of ignorant rituals…Salah, Sawm, Zakah, a pilgrimage to Makkah if you can make it, aka Hajj…more salah, more fasting, more bashing your head on a prayer mat 5 times a day, more voluntary starvation and right now, more zakah, zakah, zakah!
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