Melanie: ave a day off you silly cow, and please take Murray with you.

"Ed" has now learned the hard way that for the Neocons/Zionists, it's not enough to be a 99% stooge - you have to be a 100% stooge where Israel is concerned!

its the Israelis and the zionists who are the barbarians. the palestinians have evry right to defend themselves from the occupying force who have been slaughtering innocents for 60 years. if you have an ounce of morality you will know for sure that what is happening in gaza is a total and utter outrage. its about time that the pandering quiliam foundation stood up for what is right.

ed in the article describes hamas as senile irresponsible and fanatical, f off back in to your hole 'ed'

While any voice in support of our brothers and sisters in palestine is welcome at this critical juncture, we should should be very wary of people like Ed Hussain and co. the traitors ,the sell outs and friends of Neo-cons/zionazi's, who may be trying to improve their image in Muslim community by shedding crocodile tears. We all know where their sympathies actully lie.I hope MPAC will not take the bait.

This is just a pathetic attempt by Eddy and his crew to get some credibility. These are the same people who are allied with neo-cons such as Douglas Murray and are working against the Ummah. DOnt be fooled by there rhetoric.

Ed Husain finally remembered he is a Muslim, congrats to him. Whilst as a Muslim I am grateful for his support, it could be possible that the execrable Melanie Philips was only pretending to be upset. Being labeled by an increasingly irrelevant Mad Mel is hardly a proof of being a good Muslim these days.

The manifesto given by the MI-5 to the Quilliam foundation is clear. Their job is to support the repressive puppet regimes that are kept in power by the Zionist neo-Colonialists of London and Washington especially in containing action against Israel. These CIA-sponsored "governments" are the reason why democracy cannot take hold in the Muslim world and the real reason why Al-Qaeda and its agenda are increasingly popular in the Muslim world.
An example is the praise that Ed Husain and his cronies heap on Hosni Mubarak. I will not say that Hosni is a dictator, holds fraudulent elections, is corrupt, is brutal, is a failure in his foreign and defence policies, is a traitor and is a Zionist puppet and fantasises about his offspring succeeding him to the throne because hey ... name me one Muslim Head of State who is not all of the above? From Gaddaffi King(s) Abdullah to Karzai to Hasina Wajid who won the rigged elections in Bangladesh yesterday they are all the same !
But Hosni is more than just an ordinary traitor. Hosni the criminal against humanity has sealed the Egyptian border for the past 5 days as Israelis go about committing holocaust on the imprisoned Palestinians of the concentration camp in Gaza. Gaza is besieged on three sides by Israeli cannibals who are bent on butchering everyone who is trapped in Gaza and on the fourth side by Muslims who aid and abet the massacres in Gaza by preventing Palestinians from leaving to save their lives . These inhumane actions of the Egyptian government have multiplied the casulaty count in Gaza manifold. What does Ed Husain have to say to that ? Or to all the "Mukhabirat" Arab dictators who are using all the dirty tricks at their disposal to prevent any signs of popular uprising in their streets in support of Gaza these days whilst their oil and their political will has been hijacked by the Zionists? Let us ask Ed Husain, to prove he is one of us and to honour the memory of William Quilliam by condemning the complicity of the Egyptian "government" in Israel's atrocities publicly.

Ed, well done! Muslims united! You can reach parts of wider society that the usual voices from MCB can't reach.

Quilliam Foundation, don't back down. Stand with Muslims and be firm. Most of this country supports your bold stance.

Let's see you at the demo on saturday, Ed.

A brave move by 'Ed'. The Quilliam Foundation have vindicated themselves.

Ed is right to condemn the Israeli killing machine. So far 393 Palestinians have been killed including women and children. Quilliam have proved they are not stooges by speaking out for what is right.

Don’t bother giving this fool any brownie points, he isn't worth it. Ed remains a serious protagonist for the neo-cons. Give this little scumbag a slap in the face if you meet him, we don’t need his sympathy. This man has done a lot of propaganda work for the neo-cons.

A cynical attempt to make use of 400 plus dead Palestinians in order to gain legitimacy amongst a community that has rejected them en masse. Do not be fooled by this. The man is an opportunist par excellence and has been responsible for some of the most vicious anti-Muslim propaganda that has been spread in these isles. What the Zionists have finally learnt is that this charlatan is loyal to no-one apart from his own ego. The depth of his political ignorance was exposed when he claimed that he supported the Iraq war but then stopped supporting it as soon as innocent people started dying.

Ed Munafiq Hussain is a mischief making traitor, who has spent the last 2 years maligning and criminalising large sections of the British Muslim community. is list of excesses, insults and outright heresy are too long to be listed here (but if these Quilliamites carry on this brave Ed bull**** I will list it again)

Do not be fooled brothers and siters who adhere to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet, this individual is a money-grabbing, publicity seeking imbecile who beat the neo-con drum, labelled and propogated the hated and ill-defined term Islamist whilst selling his community for a paltry price. Him and his ideologically confused bedmate Majid 'no more soverignty to Allah' Nawaz will be forgotten and cast aside in a few years.

Alhamdulilah, our institution building, welfare, education, dawah and relief work in the community will Insha'Allah continue as it has done for the last 30 years.

Yes King Ed the conqueror of hearts and minds, defender of truth and equity, lets see you at the demo on Staurday...we will carry you on our shoulders Oh leader of the British Muslim community....he he he ;)

Well done, Quilliam Foundation people! I heard one of your guys on LBC the other day defending Palestine - salute you!

Ed's Guardian piece made intelligent arguments - bringing Palestine home to ordinary Brits. Not the usual HT/MAB rant of blah blah blah. We need to be more intelleigent, normal and mainstream. QF bods seem to do that really well. They have credibility in the mainstream, where it matters.

Now let's hear QF attack Arab despots.

MPAC - thanks for sharing this. Asghar and team - good work!

It's very big of "Ed" to stick up for the Palestinians from the comfort of his word processor. Interesting that he asserts that Hamas broke the ceasefire yet if you read the Johann Hari article on this site he says it was Israel that broke the ceasefire.

If he spent one month living as a Palestinian in Gaza he would lose his holier than thou attitude and acknowledge the vile influence of Zionism on the occupation.

One truth does not vindicate scum like Ed Hussain and QF in my eyes, and I hope people will see his latest comments for what they are: desperately trying to win back some credibility.
As far as I'm concerned Ed is a nobody and the QF will be relegated to the the pile of filth along with Sufi Muslim Council and their ilk.

Mind your corner shop Mr Patel. QF is not the mainstream voice of the Muslim Community. They have continually attacked and Maligned our community for adoration and pittance from the neo-cons. They should collect their silver coins and purchase a hanging rope.

@Khaled Patel
Have you read Mr Hussains book, where he attacks basic principles of Islam. Have you heard him previously where he has defended Israel to the hilt(Islam channel interview with Abdur Rahan). Have you read his previous articles on the guardians comment is free? Lets not be naive and fall for the bait.

QF condemining Israeli killings matter. It made a difference in the corridors of Whitehall. My sister works for government and it was QF's response that made many see light.

I see MCB/MAB/BMI/StWC and others calling for an end to the killing. QF intelligently pressuring Govt to adopt a strategy while calling for an end to Israel's bombings and killings.

Read Ed Hussein's article: the boy makes sense. Public opinion is on his side with this one - even Mad Mel concedes that point.

Quilliam Foundation have guts. MPAC is right to share this important development among Muslims with us all.

I think that Ed has made a brave stand - dont you think we should support that?

I have been a real critic of Ed, no one likes it when he sides with the neo cons, but if has has the moral fibre in this time of need to stand up against his own supporters amongst them, it shows he has made a choice baned on Truth and sincerity.

So lets not just condemn, let us support what he does when it is good.

Sr Fatima you seem to be getting your news directly from the forked, decietful and irreligous toungues of the Quillimaites...the truth is that the FCO and the Dept for Communities has realised that there chamcha/stooges are despised by practising Muslims of most denominations and that there influence is c*** at best, so this government seeing light because of the Quilliamites is hogwash and if anything insulting tht rest of us, is the collective voice of the British Muslim community not enough, as was expressed in the Open Letter to the Prime Minister Wednesday's Guardian? Sr you should stick with the Jamah (collective body of Muslims)as Allah (swt) states in the Qur'an that His Mercy and Blessing is with the Jamah, not with a bunch of hop-skotching turncoats!!!

"My sister works for government and it was QF's response that made many see light."

Yeah right! The government listened to their own MI-5 sponsored stooge?
You did not say whether your sister ("who works for the government") and her colleagues followed the light and where it led them.

The fact is that Britain's PM is openly supporting the slaughter in Gaza.

The UK Foreign Secretary is Jewish and he has uttered a few words of concern (because he wants to be PM) but has since then gone quiet.

This is indeed the first time that QF has found a new use in preaching to the perverted. But as I said before, Ed Husain has to try harder to convince us that he is sincere. QF is not just supported by MI-5 and CIA but also funded by murderous tinpot dictators in the Muslim world who are complicit in the massacre in Gaza. Therefor Ed Husain should condemn those dictators too.

I have great respect for all Muslim rulers. They sit on a seat that was occupied at one time by Abubakr, Umar, Usman and Ali ( May God be pleased with them). They are heirs to a legacy that makes Jews, Crusaders and other enemies of Islam shiver with fear.

Yet, they sit at the feet of the same enemies of Islam and laud whilst the innocent Muslims of Gaza are subjected to Zionist atrocities around them.

Instead of throwing a punch in the dark, why don’t you go and read the public statement put out by the QF on their webpage. It clearly Blames the Gazan’s for this current genocide but in a muted fashion says Israelis should stop the siege. Ed and his sidekick the disco dancing drama queen Majjid Nawaz have quite a collection of misinformation and the damnation of the Muslim Community. If you prefer the words of Charlatans and liars than God help you.

Salaams.

Mad Mels evil rants against ED expose her for just what she is, a hate filled evil Zoinist snake.

I congratulate the Quilliam Foundation and Ed Hussein. As far as I can see the Quilliam Foundaion are defending Islam in the Media in a intelligent way and are being taken seriously by the Western intelligensia. They don't go around shouting slogans like HT/MCB but explain everything in a logical and rational way.

I don't believe QF is a big conspiracy as some comments on this article seem to suggest. And I don't for one minute believe their condemnation of Zionists is a publicity stunt either. I have personally spoken to ED and Majid. These are good brothers. Some of the things people accuse them of saying they never actually said. Many things they have said have been taken out of context or have been mis-interpreted. So please if you have an issue with them contact them directly so they can clarify it for you. This is what I did and realised how much people have misunderstood them.

HT don't like them for obvious reasons and MCB don't like them because the government prefers consulting Quilliam instead of MCB. Quilliam are not sellouts, these brothers have suffered for their beliefs. Maajid was imprisoned in Eygpt for 4 years for his beliefs, Ed has suffered all sorts of slander for criticizing HT and MCB. Yet team QF have practised 'Sabr' and kept steadfast. They have rightly condemned Israeli crimes in Gaza and highlighted the suffering of the Palestinian people. This proves they are not looking for popularity either in the community or in the West but are working for what they believe in and standing by their principles. Of course nobody is an angel and everyone can make a mistake. Like everyone else im sure they have made a mistake here and there but on a whole they are sincere brothers.

Anonymous attacks on Quilliam through HT websites such as 'traditionalislamism' are pathetic to say the least. At least the QF are open about what they believe in and are not hiding behind fake names and blogs like the HT do on their 'traditonalislamism' blog site. May Allah (SWT) give HT hidayah.

In these crucial times we the Muslims need to show unity and not division. I Congratulate the Quilliam Foundation and I pray they keep up the good work. Let the Zionist dogs bark, we the Muslims are with you Quilliam.

May Allah (SWT) bless you and may Allah (SWT) help make our brothers and sisters in Palestine victorious.

Ameen.

Sr Ayesha, I hope you are sincere (and that your not called Ed in daylight hours) my name is Mohammed Amin, I reside at 43 Albert Drive in Ilford and having nothing to hide. Your fervent defence of these judas's is completely misplaced, there are scores of community activists, leaders, organisations who have been personally aggrieved by the vicious verbal assaults these imbeciles have directed towards hard-working and committed voluntary workers who have dedicated many years towards the cultivation of a moderate yet principled Islamic prespective in the UK.

The lies and hypocrisy of this grouping of traitors has no bounds and their two-faced evil has corrupted many. The murtad scum that you speak so highly of, have demonised the wearing of hijab, have publicly labelled respected community leaders as extremists and referred to divine legislation as abhorrent. Having also spoken to Ed in person I know exactly what he is about. And Insha'Allah on apersonal note I will confront his skewed and twisted attempts to cause divisions in the community, misguide people and reform the Deen of Allah at every given oppurtunity. As a reminder, below are just some of the trash he and his buddy have spewed in the past which are all on record...and you want us to trust them???? Never in a million, as I'm not deaf, dumb or blind.

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz agreed with the abominable invasion and death by causation of nearly one million Muslims in Iraq. Along with this he is trying to deconstruct the concept of the Islamic Ummah already ingrained in the hearts and minds of Muslims.

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz objected to the buliding of a House of Allah (swt) in East London, known as the Mega Mosque

-Ed Hussain publicly stated that he hates little girls wearing the Islamic head-covering.

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz drive the debate on the misnomer, ambiguous and alarmist term 'Islamist', exactly when one becomes an Islamist nobody know.

-Ed Hussain continues to spread verifiably falsified reports of ‘Islamist’ inspired murders on college campuses, from his student days, though many brothers have come forward to say he is lying and that the murder was gang related.

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz have attacked, scandalised and villified respected thinkers and scholars from our Islamic history.

-Majid 'I love to dress-up as a pirate and go clubbing in the evening whilst preaching Islam during the day' Nawaz during his Washington tour and five minutes of boot-licking in front of US Senate panel openly labelled community groups working in the UK such as the Muslim Saftey Froum an organisation that represents Muslims sentiment and issues to the police, as Islamists. In other words he attempted to criminalise them and undermine their work.(if thats not treason and subversion against fellow Muslims and the Deen I don't know what is)

-Ed Hussain proclaims that certain community organisations should be dismantled and periphery ones like the HT banned.

-Ed Hussain the kabith said that Sr Yvonne Ridley did not convert to Islam, but converted to Islamism (Audubilah)

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz do not believe in Islamophobia and believes this is an Islamist concuction to fool the public

-Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz regularly abuse, criminalise and slander the names of upstanding community organisations and individuals, in their attampts to flout a modernist interpretation of Islam.

-Ed Hussain has labelled aspects of the Sharia of Allah, hudood and instructions of the Prophet (pbuh) as barbaric!

-Ed Hussain committed takfir (to judge somebody to be a kafir) when he said about Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi, call them jihadist or Islamist but don't call them Muslim...

-He deliberatley wrote a disproportionate and scathingly harsh article against the big Islam Expo & GPU events held in London earlier this year, he compared it to a BNP rally!

-They have been mutually supportive of right-wing neo-con think tanks such as Policy Exchange, the Centre for the Study of Social Cohesion and with the likes of Michael 'I hate Muslims' Gove.

May Allah (swt) protect us from their conspiracies and evil. Ameen

Thank you Brother Amin, you actually bothered to highlight some of their handy works. If some of you still insist in following QF than off you go and leave the Muslim community alone.

Game, set and match to Mohammed Amin.

@Ameen

"Anonymous attacks on Quilliam through HT websites such as 'traditionalislamism' are pathetic to say the least. At least the QF are open about what they believe in and are not hiding behind fake names and blogs like the HT do on their 'traditonalislamism' blog site. May Allah (SWT) give HT hidayah. "

lol! "Ameen" little do you know who we are!

Obviously Ameen, as you are such a brave man, then I am here to argue with on the substance of the argument at hand

Questions for Ameen

1-Do you believe that Muhammad existed? If so what are your criteria for establishing historical truths Islamically

2-Do you believe that we have historical cores that can be identified as clear cut in Islam?

3-If that is the case, what are you criteria to identify historical facts that are clear cut in Islam?

I (or we) will even let you write an article defending Ed and his side kick Maajid from an Islamic point of view on the website! So there you go! Have you got the guts? Come on we challenge you! Of course you can be out in the open with no substance and we can be anonymous with substance. I would rather be the latter.

An Ibn Adam from Abnaa Adam of the traditionalislamism site (Could we be more then one on the site? Who knows? Are we HT? Who knows? Are we supported by certain well respected Ulema? Who knows? Oh the mystery of it all! Sisters ? Brothers? Who knows? )

traditionalislamism.wordpress.com

As for Ashgar Bukhari tut tut! I suggest you clear your name brother. Really working with people like Ed who support clear cut Kufr can be problematic especially as you claim to fight for the Muslims

I still give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you either do not know them well, or working with them for the "common good" whatever that is even though you do know them to be very nasty elements in the Muslim society.

You may not even be working with them but think you should keep good links in case you may get some more "political" inclusion from the mosques.

Sorry, the reply was directed at "Ayesha" not "Ameen" :).

Of course we have too be careful here about the Quilliamites using different names to give an illusion of support. They have done this so many times on our site and many other sites. They are even repeating some of them so it is quite easy to track them! lol!

Rashad, why dont you come out an play with "Bani Adam"

eddies words mean nothing, they are crocodile tears.

Br Mohammad Ameen

1)On Iraq war: Maajid Nawaz NEVER supported the Iraq war, and said so right from the beginning in his City Circle talk just after leaving HT Sep 2007 (see transcript named “In and Out of Islamism” or video on Youtube). Ed Husein also changed his stance.

2)On Ed Husein saying he hates little girls wearing the headscarf: It is not from the Sunnah for little girls (below the age of puberty) to cover their heads, Children should be allowed to be children. To my knowledge there is NOT ONE evidence that even allows this. In fact, the Hadith of Asma, if taken by its Mafhum Mukhalafa (opposite meaning in Usul al-Fiqh) prohibits this.

3)Who is an Islamist has been identified by Maajid in the Senate testimony here (whether you agree or disagree, your claim that it is not identified is false). Also, the term itself is used by leading academics on the left and the right, as well as Islamists themselves, including, at one point, the current leader of HT to define themselves against Socialists

4)On Newhm College campus murder:Saeed Nur, convicted of the murder was a Jihadist of Somali origin who was not a student on campus but was there as HT activists’ Maajid and Ed’s bodyguard, he came from Brixton all the way to support the “HT da’wah” as he said. Saeed Nur named his machete (used in the murder) by the name Abdul-Jabbar. The entire body of HT activists on campus were expelled after the murder, including the students union committee which was HT run, lead by Maajid Nawaz, an HT activist on campus. And they were interviewed by the police for the murder. Omar Bakri (then HT leader) addressed the campus one day before the murder. Anyone can see press reports from the time to see the clear HT link.

The reports claiming to refute this come from HT and Ht sympathisers (like Maajid’s brother who initially recruited him to HT) and are non-eye witness, agenda driven claims by people who were not even students on the campus.

5)Ed Husein committed Takfir on Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi: This is a blatant MISQUOTE! The complete quote shows it was not Takfir. It ends with the words, they don’t call themselves Muslims!
Besides, on matters of Iman and Kufr, you must always not jump to conclusions, this is very dangerous!

6) On support of Right Wing groups: They have been supportive of left wing ones too, like Demos, IPPR, (liberal) Paddy Ashdown and others.... your point???

May Allah (SWT) protect us from mischief makers

Also:

1) Maajid labelled Muslim Safety Forum as Islamist?: Yes he did because they are!
Labelling groups as Islamists is not criminalising them, as Maajid Nawaz openly spoke out against criminalising even HT, let alone the Islamist Muslim Safety Forum. And was quoted in Parliament as such by Gordon Brown. You are so inaccurate!!!!

2) Ed Hussain say that Sr Yvonne Ridley did not convert to Islam, but converted to Islamism (Audubilah): Islamism is a denomination of Islam... you absurdly miss his point!

3) Ed Husein called the Prophet (SAW) Barbaric ? This is a lie!
The Ijma of the Ulema of the Ottomon Caliphate, and its Caliph was that Hudood punishments were not appilcable now and should be repealed. This is a valid Islamic opinion.

All references can be found on Quilliam website.

May Allah (SWT) guide the truth seekers. Ameen

@Wassem

"The Ijma of the Ulema of the Ottomon Caliphate, and its Caliph was that Hudood punishments were not appilcable now and should be repealed. This is a valid Islamic opinion."

Unfortunately for you Wassem (aka ? Maajid or Quilliamite supporter) Maajid is a heretic and has commited clear cut Kufr.

For evidence of this you can see our academic refutations on the traditionalislamism site and you can also see our section on the heretical counter

As for this lie! about the Ijma of the Ottoman Ulema on abolishing the huduud and saying this is not applicable in modern times, well guess what wait for the article on our site exposing your lie!

There is no valid Islamic opinion be it from ANY madhaab that says that Huduud is time specific.

We challenge you to provide the Ottoman Fatwa in the era of the Tanzimaat and we challenge you to provide the references.

We also have far more interesting statements made by thie Quilliam filth on our site. Inshallah to be updated soon

Ibn Adam from Abnaa Adam

Shame on you Waseem for falliciously defending the indefensible and siding with the Munafiqeen, you tried to work through the points but failed miserably as your lies upon more lies are clearly distinguishable and because there are just to many to cover. And knowing your friends there will be many more such misdemeanours against our community to come, as once a Munafiq, always a Munafiq. (I know you ran out of steam but why not explain why pics in the public domain show Majid 'no more Soverignty to Allah' partaking in acts of fisq [transgression] dressed as a pirate with old girlfriends and tables laden with alcohol)

This is a battle between haq (truth) and batil (falsehood) my friend, as is the battle currently raging in Gaza, your chiefs of staff Ed and Majid have continually berrated and attacked the defending Muslim army in that land, hence by default they have supported the zionists.

As I've said before any Muslim or Muslimah who has true Eman in their hearts will see through your silver-toungued veneer to the corrupt, hypocritical and duplicit ditritus below. By the way HT are are one-trick tadpoles, our vision is holistic, as was the Prophet's (pbuh).And Allah (swt)knows best. And our genuiness is such that we make a du'a buddy, may the real mischief makers and munafiqueen suffer a wrath and humiliation from Allah (swt).

O Rabil A'lameen, O Akramal Akrameen, Owner of the Heavens and the Earth, O Majestic Soverign, those who believe in your Oneness, those that have sincere marks of prostration on their foreheads and dedicate their purpose, their living and their dying to you, your worship and submission are being slaughtered, oppressed and murdered for no other reason but that they rose the flag of Shahadah over the Prophetic Land and were chosen and trusted because of their Emaan, by the believers in Gaza to lead, protect and guide them to dignity, honour, freedom and justice.

Oh Rab, with tears in our eyes and heavy hearts we implore and beg you to guard them in their hour of need, to aid those who stand firm in faith against the aggressors, to fill their hearts with strength, courage and tawakul and to bestow martyrdom on those that give their today for our Ummah's tommorrow. O Lord of the Worlds, Master of the Universe shake the land beneath the feet and the sky above the enemy, fill their souls with fear and depression and cause them to fail in the mischief and transgression that they perpetuate on your Earth. O Lord in your Grace and by Your Will when our brothers in Gaza raise their hands and put their faith in you and beg your assistance, accept their du'as and fulfill the promise as You did for our predeccessors in the Battle of Badr, when You state in Surah Al-Anfal;

'Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: “I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks. Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts, (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.' (Al-Qu'an 8: 9-10)

Ameen! Please say Ameen.

@Wassem

On Iraq Ed DID support the Iraq war but made the pathetic excuse that he changed his mind because he realised civilians would be killed?! What a joker. Have you ever heard of a war where civilians were not killed? Also look at Ed's ridiculous description of the American troops occupying Iraq. They even removed the stubs of cigarettes from the streets! That is right he thought the American soldiers were community workers! Isn’t that sweet? Yep you can see this on our article ED and his double standards on our traditionalislamism site

Oh yeah Maajid the side kick pretends that he really loves the Muslims and plays the good cop. Unfortunately Maajid had far worse things to say about Islam and agrees with Ed that the MODERN application of the Sharia is outmoded! Authuu Bill lah from his heresy. In fact Shuhaib Hassan has said that one leaves Islam for making such a pronouncement! What did Maajid do? He said that Usama Hassan's father did not sign it! What a joke! We CAN GUARRANTEE THAT SHUHAIB HASSAN KNEW VERY WELL ABOUT THE FATWA BEFORE HE PUT HIS NAME TO IT! Yep, yet again you can see this on our traditionalislamism site
Ed with Maajid's support thinks that Michael Gove thinks defends Islam and Muslims beyond his remit! Yeap, you can see this on the FAQ on the Quilliam Foundation site

In fact they think that anyone who does not recognise the PERMANENT existence of Israel is on line with the Islamists (see the document of Kufr "Pulling together to Defeat Terror"). In fact they say this should be fought! Well, one of the favourite sheikhs i.e ABDUL HAKIM MURAD THINKS JUST THAT! Y

Ed on the Islam channel when asked about the siege on Gaza put part of the blame on the people of Gaza when they elected Hamas!

Ed also in the document on Gaza implied that Hamas broke the ceasefire which is a lie! They even accused Hamas of this
“To introduce a mode of punishment that was explicitly repealed by leading Muslim theologians of the then capital of the abolished Caliphate in Istanbul is yet another example of Islamists using democratic rhetoric to get into power, and then going on to abolish fundamental democratic principles and human rights.’”
We even have this supporter telling us that there is a modern Ijma on it! Lol! By the way, this twist on the Tanzimaat issue and the relationship to the French Penal Code will be dealt with very soon on our site! Safe to say, that they are twisting sources and making up facts as they go along!

(I personally do disagree with some of the views of Hamas)

(2) Regarding the Hijab we challenge Maajid right here and now to tell us what he thinks of the views of Usama Hassan on the Hijab! Is the hair not awra? Is that a medievalist position? IF it is Qati then how do we differentiate heretic?

They have insulted the niqab even though it is a VALID islamic opinion, yet all of a sudden things become black and white when it is in the benefit of the government

Also Ed said this about the Hijab (not Niqab)

"Hijab in Tower Hamlets was unheard of when I was growing up" says Husain, watching clad women pass by. "Now you see women covering up everywhere in the name of multiculturalism."

Now we must remember that Ed does not like "multiculturalism". By the way Maajid, has Ed left the labour party now for funds? This can be found on his article in timeout and we have the link if anyone needs it. Just contact us on the traditionalislamism site

"Segregation of the sexes, made worse by the veil, had spawned a culture of pent-up sexual frustration that expressed itself in the unhealthiest ways."
Yes, Ed again! So we have an Islamic view spawning a culture of sexual frustration?! Now please tell me what is going on ? Maajid (?Quilliamite supporter). All references provided by contacting us( I cant seem to provide the links because of a “spacing error” message when I submit my message)

I have so much more!

(3) With regards to the definition of Islamism we have this perverse logic

Academics use it

Therefore it must be Islamic!

Oh well done. Unfortunately the Quilliamites reject Islamism. They understand it as a political application of Islam i.e. Sharia etc

Great, academics use it but it is still Kufr if you are against the Sharia. In fact Maajid had these vague things to say about homosexuality and marriage! Ed also insulted our laws of inheritance in his debate with Ayan (supposedly he got divine help according to Usama! lol!). Again references provided on the traditionalislamism site


Allah knows, how much more of Islam they insult behind closed doors!

(4)With regards to Newham college I suggest people go to the court proceedings rather than depend on liars like Maajid and Ed. The link can be provided on request
In other words it was far more complicated then Maajid wants to protray! You can also gain access to much more details of the court proceedings as well if you require. Inshallah give us a "call" on our email address on the traditionalislamism site.

We must remember that Ed (the bad cop) and his side kick Maajid (the good cop) like to paint things in black and white

(6)Ed, in the same breath, pushes for a ban on Qardawi because of his support of suicide bombers yet he supports Jamal al Banna and we have a wonderful paradox here on our site where Jamal al Banna clearly supports the operations! They even think that Ali Goma is a role model and HE DOES SUPPORT THESE OPERATIONS IN ISRAEL DESPITE WHAT THESE IDIOTS SAY ( I know of the pathetic response of Maajid on a counter terrorism site! No wonder he was caught out so easily)

My question to these idiots is this. Are suicide operations a valid Islamic opinion according to you? Do we get one reward even though the Ijtihaad may be wrong?

Oh I wait for the response! Of course I may not agree with this position but this is not my concern.


"6) On support of Right Wing groups: They have been supportive of left wing ones too, like Demos, IPPR, (liberal) Paddy Ashdown and others.... your point???"

I just love this quote! Yeah, great but that does not remove the idiotic view you have of Michael Gove (he supports Islam after all). By the way, what do you think of Douglas Murray? Please share your views! What do you think of Martin Bright? Please share your views.

They have also ludicrous views of very right wing Zionist organisations in American. Just see the tour of America by Ed and Maajid on our site!


These traitors should not make it easy for me, with the usual spin of red herrings. I have so much more!
Asghar isn’t it time you came out against this foundation with the rest of the Muslims?

Assalamu-Alaikum

I have just visited your site and read a couple of posts. It can hardly be called an academic refutation. It's just dedicating to attacking Quilliam and it's activities....don't you have anything better to do..lol.

It's also very anonymous with the site operator (you) playing cat and mouse games with his identity. I would have taken it more seriously if you declared who you are and which group/sect you belong to instead of trying this curiousity thing of 'who am I', it makes you look very immature and amatuerish. People generally don't take people seriously who have something to hide, 'better the devil you know' as the saying goes. If you are not even prepared to put your real name to the the refutations then I don't think anyone will trust you to be honest. I mean how do we know you are not from another devious group ?

So until you are brave enough to reveal who you are I don't think it's worth anyone visiting your site or anyone taking you seriously. Besides I think there are far more important things for the Ummah to worry about then dedicating their lives to attacking groups, no matter how deviant. Your open challenes are meaningless if nobody knows who you are...sorry to labour the point but this is most important from a neutral perspective.

One more thing, Labelling anyone who doesn't agree with you a 'Quilliam supporter' or 'Maajid and Ed' makes you appear paranoid and delusional.

Think about your challenges and how seriously you want to be taken, if you aren't confident enough to put your real name and identity to your own arguments then how do you expect anyone else to have any confidence in what you do or say.

Think about it.

Masalaama

Mohammad Amin

I do not know what circumstance the picture was taken or wether it was indeed taken and not edited through photo imaging software which is available nowadays. However, lets assume it is true:

1) He wasn't drinking/touching alcohol.

2) He wasn't embracing or touching any female as you seem to imply, and he wasn't in private space with her. If this is his his old girlfriend or not what does it matter ? we shouldn't be trying to dig up peoples pasts in order to discredit them. Also these pics were not taken in a nightclub as you falsely suggest.

3) As for dressing as a pirate: he wasn't.
He had one eye covered. From an Islamic perspective this is not Har'aam is it? he wasn't showing his awrah or anything like that was he !

So Islamically he didn't do anything har'aam.

Your gripe with Maajid seems to be a personal one and nothing to do with Islam. A Muslim is supposed to give others the benefit of the doubt and not try and exaggerate issues.

'If in doubt leave it out'!

If you really want to learn the truth why don't you contact him and ask him all the points you are raising here. This post is about 'Gaza' and the innocents suffering. Don't waste your time abusing people, this is not the Sunnah of the prophet(SAW).

Wasalaam.

'Traditional Twit' I have one thing to say to you:

GROW UP!

You are trying to divert attention from the 'Gaza' conflict to group bashing !

At least the Quilliam Foundation are speaking out against the Israeli zionists right now. I never found any condemnation of Israeli actions on your site ! Attacking groups is more important to you than the suffering of innocent Palestinians !

If you have nothing to contribute on the Israeli conflict then leave this site and play your pathetic games elsewhere ! Stop your mischief making !

Muslims right now are concerned about our brothers and sisters being slaughtered in 'Gaza'
We are not interested in your petty personality clashes and squabbles! I don't know what type of Muslims you are ! Muslims are being slaughtered yet you don't want to talk about it.
It seems you are following a zionist agenda !

Get a life !

May Allah (SWT) bless you and may Allah (SWT) help make our brothers and sisters in Palestine victorious.

Ameen

@Jamal

His argument in a nutshell.

I do not know you.

lol!



@Waseem

Sitting on the same table as someone drinking alcohol is haraam

Hugging a non muhram who especially was an old girlfriend for a picture is haraam .

Oh of course, these are medievalist postures right?

Dont you worry, we knew far more about Maajid but we did not reveal it on our site.

I would rather have the strength of the argument. I personally think that the quilliamexposed sight went to far ( we were not involved)

Still it makes you wonder at the stupidity of Maajid.

Anyway wait for far more interesting facts to come on the traditionalislamism site!

It just amazes me at the number of fake profiles these quilliamites make! lol!

Oh yeah it is our paranoid nature, I forgot.

In the Name of Allah the Merciful the Kind

Br Waseem you are nurturing the disease of nifaq in your heart. This ex-extremist spent 10 years peddling a distorted one-track methodology and now spends his time as a corrupt stoole pigeon filling his pockets at the expense of discrediting whole Muslim organisations and movements and you are still adament in his defence.

' I do not know what circumstance the picture was taken or wether it was indeed taken and not edited through photo imaging software which is available nowadays' Waseem this picture was taken from the Munafiq's own facebook site, so there was no manipulation so don't even go there.

'He wasn't drinking/touching alcohol.' This is a pathetic statement, all believers are privy to the rulings by scholars concerning the frequenting or mingling in places where alcohol is being served and drunk. Shame on you for this statement (the self-expose has kicked of well;)

'If this is his his old girlfriend or not what does it matter ?' Ah said like a true Quilliamite, what does it matter you demented irreligous retard, he has a wife at home!!!!! Does this mean anything to you or have you completely lost the plot.

'As for dressing as a pirate: he wasn't. He had one eye covered.From an Islamic perspective this is not Har'aam is it?' Covering your eye is not Haram you baffoon if you have a medical condition or if your monkeying around with your kids and family, but a true Islamic personality and expression would not allow you to wear such attire at 90's Hip Hop Movement In Southend-On-Sea reunion, in such an environment of women and alcohol (even if he wasn't deinking;), posing like a wannabe gangster, with all the feigned pomp, arrogance, pride and attitude that exuberates from that shot of Majid 'no more soverignty to Allah' Nawaz. Again Waseemy baby this all very basic Islamic Adab, Tarbiyah and Khuluqul Muslim...aspects of the Deen that Islamic workers study as part of their syllabi to become personal examples and 'Witnesses before Mankind' as Allah (swt) states in the Qur'an. Something that this one-bray donkey refused to acknowledge when brothers explained this to him in HT days, all he would bray is Khilafah, which is not sole object is Islam.

'Your gripe with Maajid seems to be a personal one and nothing to do with Islam.' Allah (swt)is my witness that I have never even met this individual but this does has everything to do with Islam, as I consider it my duty to play my part in protecting the rudiments and indispensible
cornerstones of this faith...I say play my part and thats because Allah (swt) the Almighty has pledged that He will preserve His Deen. So Munafiqs like Ed & Majid are destined to fall from grace, As Alla (swt) Messenger (pbuh) stated, 'Do not take this Deen to extremes as it will overcome you, fulfil your obligations in the morning and evening and rejoice (in faith)' And Ed & Majid have a habitual track record of extremeism from one end all the way to the other, the sweetness of Eman however lies in the principled yet moderate middle.

'A Muslim is supposed to give others the benefit of the doubt and not try and exaggerate issues.' Waseem bruv I think you have a temperature, as your now mubbling and cognitivley incoherent, when the blast did your munafiq friends ever adhere to this noble and Islamic standard when they tommy-gunned the reputations of Muslim after Muslim, organisation after organisation and Mosque after Mosque. Quite clearly this standard is disapplied to the Quilliam as they have been unanimously convicted of treason against swathes of the British Muslim community.

Again Waseem with Allah's (swt) grace I have been able to deconstruct your argument and again show you that you are siding with knowledgeless individuals out to make buck, they have sold their souls, I implore you not to sell yours...anyway enough of this now as you are beginning to sound somewhat obtuse and dazed, as is expected when you advocate for the hypocrites. And Allah (swt) always knows best.

Br Mohammad Ameen

Thanks for your condescending & patronizing replies...very Islamic brother. I think you also need a lesson or two about 'tarbiyah'. You claim you have never met Maajid yet you seem to know an awful lot about him...how strange. How can you claim to be playing your part when you don't even know him?
Allah (SWT) knows best.

Traditonal:

Anybody with a very basic knowledge of Ottoman history knows that the hudood laws were replaced by the French penal code in the Ottoman Empire. This was backed by the Ulema and the Caliph.

Even your HT admit this:

Abdul Qadeem Zallom: 'How The Khilafah Was destroyed'

"Some Western rules were taken as they were, without any consideration as to whether these were found in the Islamic fiqh or not and without any thought given as to whether they agreed or contradicted the Shariah rules, such as the penal code which abolished the Hudood”.(PAGE 39)

“A fatwa was given by the Sheikh-Ul-Islam stating that it was permitted to adopt Western laws and implement them in the courts upon the Muslims, because Islam does not prohibit their adoption. Hence the rules of the democratic system were established as a constitution for the Islamic state, and the ruling system was considered by the majority of Muslims to be a ‘khalifah’ system, so long as the head of state was called the ‘khalifah’, even if the ruling systems implemented were not from the rules of Islam”. (PG 40)

"Nobody looked upon these laws and these rules as being rules and laws of kufr, they rather approved them and kept silent about them. If there had been anyone who disapproved of those laws and rules, he never spoke out, nor did he oppose the Khaleefah, nor did he demand anything of him. If there had been anyone who disapproved of the suspension of Hudood, he never proclaimed this openly by confronting the Khaleefah with his disapproval nor did he demand him to restore them". (PG 40)

Let me guess 'Zalloum' the co-founder of HT was wrong, The Ottoman State wasn't an Islamic state because they ruled by kufr and you know more than the Shiekh-Ul-Islam of that time. End of story.

@Wasseem

lol! Hello Rashad! If it isnt then you are an idiot for listening to him.

First I am not from HT hence this argument has no validity to me. Secondly as far as I know this book is not adopted by the Hizb (if it is so what!). Thirdly I suggest you wait for a nice surprise when we will provide a nice academic article on the Tanzimat reforms during its classical period between 1838-1868.

Now this is your argument right? Anything more to add? You are sure this all you have to give?

Have you ever heard of academic journals and primary sources? Just asking you know.

lol! I have such fun with the intellectual failures like Rashad!

Just to emphasis again, that the Tanzimat period is NOT like they think it is and it is nowhere near to the shoddy academic remarks that they make!

Oh yeah Rashad (sorry Quilliamite employee) or whoever you are,

I will also include the Nizamiye Courts and their relationship to the Sharia courts after the 1870's just for you!

By the way Rashad the academic fraudster, have you heard about "Tufi incidents"?

I heard such incidents catch people out!

To top it off I (and others) will do it in an anonymous manner!

lol!

Lol!

You make me laugh with your 'academic' remarks.

There are plenty of references but lets stick to your HT. Does it matter if it is an adopted book or not as it was written by one of HT's founding members ! HT must be desperate to have Imbeciles like you working for them.

Why write about Nizamiye courts and their relationship to the Sharia courts after the 1870's? when Tanizmat started way before this ? you have no clue about history so don't insult your intelligence any further.

You can write what you like, no one is going to read your drivel. Do something else like digging up roads or something because your useless at everything else.

Lol!

Get a life.

Rashad, I am trying to help you here! lol. Did you not read the first comment ? Information on the period of the tanzimat 1838 to 1868 and the relationship of the nizamiyah courts after 1870. Why the specifics? They are published works you idiot! lol

Your idiot, I am trying to help you to, go dig up roads or something :)

Talha

Rashad the article is almost finished :). Oh dear I sense a Tufi moment coming. Dont you worry our site is very popular lol ! Your "academic" sourcing is well known

I'm shaking :)

Please don't quote any orientalists.

I wait for your promised article.

Did you just post this up after I put up the article? lol! Your pathetic Rashad.

Anyway here is the link

We are also QUOTING THE PRIMARY DOCUMENT OF THE OTTOMAN PENAL CODE ITSELF

THE CODE ITSELF DOES NOT SAY THAT THE HUDUD WAS ABOLISHED.

Oh, of course, the Ottoman Penal Code was written by orientalists ! lol!

Go to traditionalislamism.wordpress.com

and see the article in the refutations section that deals with the so called abolishment of the hudud