| MPACUK: Taking on dense Muslims (Part 1) |
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| Wednesday, 19 November 2008 | |
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Any Muslim that says "oh but I have a choice to not vote like any other member of the public" is an idiot. No, you don't have a choice, because other members of British society aren't being demonised or oppressed to the extent we are!    Readers have left 22 comments.
ghalib:
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Well done MPAC!
Brilliant piece. Let's hope they (HT, ETC) see the light. I used to quite respect some of the members but really sick and tired of their same old rhetoric, "Don't Vote, can't Vote and won't Vote"!....ann now we're all paying the Price of their Foolishness! ONE question for them, if you "don't believe in man made laws"..why do they Stop at traffic Lights? they're man-made! aren't they? Why do they use planes, trains and auto-mobiles etc, etc?
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2008-11-19 22:35:33
Goofy:
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salam,
you guys seem to be amazingly stupid, whether u tell someone nicely or the way you guys put it up in your article, no one wants to listen because you dont have an islamic standing from your point, and whats with you, all the aricles iv read seem to aimed at HT, are you afraid of them or something????????. i hope you have some sense and develop abit of islamic shayksiya and learn the etiquettes of disscussion, from this article it seems u dont have much. wassalam your brother goofy
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2008-11-20 02:50:01
Sairah:
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salam, — Goofyyou guys seem to be amazingly stupid, whether u tell someone nicely or the way you guys put it up in your article, no one wants to listen because you dont have an islamic standing from your point, and whats with you, all the aricles iv read seem to aimed at HT, are you afraid of them or something????????. i hope you have some sense and develop abit of islamic shayksiya and learn the etiquettes of disscussion, from this article it seems u dont have much. wassalam your brother goofy Ok saying arabic words doesnt make you 'islamic' ...DOING something for the UMMAH makes you Islamic. The article is asking muslims to DO ...you are complaining about ..no one really knows .. You need to study Islam brother and more then that you need to stand up for the Ummah .. complaining about who knows what and using arabic terms just makes you sound like someone who doesnt like anything against HT and is pretending his complaint is something islamic.
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2008-11-20 10:27:12
Maryam:
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Subhanallah!
As my brother above says: use an Islamic standing, because your opinion counts for nothing when Allah and His Messenger have ruled on a subject. And learn the etiquettes of discussion, it is wholly unislamic to insult people. One of the marks of hypocrites is that they behave in a 'most impudent and insulting manner' when they argue, and hypocrites will occupy the lowest regions of Jahannam. I tend to assume that those who write for MPAC are Muslims; are they?
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2008-11-20 12:08:36
Asif:
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Goofy unfortunately too many of us cause divisions based on which school of thought we follow. MPACUK should try to include all Muslims, whichever sect / school of thought / madhab etc we follow. That's the only way we will succeed. A lot of Jews don't even follow the jewish religion but when it comes to defending the Jewish people they always help. We should do a similar thing, help and work with Muslims regardless of our personal beliefs. If MPACK just go about Islam then they will just become another Muslim group.
As for etiquette, the first thing you said was 'you guys are amazingly stupid'. Do I need to say more?
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2008-11-20 12:18:30
Shamsur:
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I can't beleive the fuss over voting by MPAC.....
I mean what don't you guys understand????? You want Muslims to vote and get into politics like the JEWS have done in alomost every western country they live in, so they are Sir's and Lords and MP's and Senators etc etc etc. They base their religion on flase pretences, have changed the Torah reveleed to Musah(moses SAW) beyond beleif and in the UK at least swear allegience to queen and country in the Synogogue before god. Is this the route you guy's would like Muslims to take. Political lobbying is one thing, but surely you must realise that voting for the left winger of the month doesn't make a difference at all. Look what happened to all the Labour back benchers, they are Irrelevant. What you get after all this voting and so on is Mulsims becoming MP's and Councillors and not doing anything for the UMMAH, yes the UMMAH should be our greatest concern. I know a good few councillors and they have changed their whole outlook on their beloved party and their beloved country. They ignor anything that would be a Muslim thing. Thats why they have turned like the Jews before them, they now have forgotten Islam and Muslims and and now they too know Queen and Country, and dream of being the next OBama in the UK. All i hear these days is that if Obama can do it so can we. Thats true maybe you can, but before that you have to sell your deen and embrace the zionists. lets face it if Obama didn't pledge allegiance to Israel he would have had no chance. And for the rest of you guys who say to me, he got involved in politics and voted and look where he's taken black people in the USA. He played the game of the zionists and becasme successful in his own materialistc world. We are Muslims and we approach everything with truth and justice. We should not need to go out voting, holding fudraisers for the MP on the block or campagning like lost dogs for that particular Kaffir. We should have a different approach and like ot or not voting just does not help. Foolow the Quran and Sunnah for guidance and do not follow the Jews falsehood.
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2008-11-20 13:55:00
T Khan:
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This article is not a debate, it is simply an attack on HT. Before someone says anything, no, I am not a member of HT nor do I believe that their opposition to voting is correct. But this is no way to go about winning others to your cause. HT's stand on voting stem from their belief that muslims participating in general elections is haraam, because they are voting for man made laws that are in direct conflict with Islamic laws. HT also say that they have backing for this view from Islamic scholars. This is the ground on which a debate must occur. We need to know on what basis under Quran and Hadith do they think voting is haraam, and if scholars have given an opinion on the bases of Quranic verses and Hadith then these opinions together with evidential back up should be published. This will form the basis of debate in which MPAC must present in a similar ways its evidence from scholars who do not think that voting is haraam. Only then I feel we will be able to move forward. Calling someone thick is simply not going to convert anyone to your cause.
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2008-11-20 14:56:36
talk about dense:
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“By not voting you are an idiot.”
This is the most illogical idiotic statement that I have ever heard. You people just don’t understand the political and social makeup of this country otherwise you would not be so stupid to say such a thing. Zionist are not only in politics but totally dominate the economic sphere, they have infiltrated all major arena’s of influence and they have currency to back it up. Currency is the main thing in influence. I’m not telling anyone, not to vote, I say go and exercise your voting right and let us know when you have achieved greatness.
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2008-11-20 15:05:49
Fareena:
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Subhanallah! — MaryamAs my brother above says: use an Islamic standing, because your opinion counts for nothing when Allah and His Messenger have ruled on a subject. And learn the etiquettes of discussion, it is wholly unislamic to insult people. One of the marks of hypocrites is that they behave in a 'most impudent and insulting manner' when they argue, and hypocrites will occupy the lowest regions of Jahannam. I tend to assume that those who write for MPAC are Muslims; are they? Call yourself a Muslim and then call MPAC kuffar .. this is your false adaab, you call this Hikma ..!! Allah has ruled on the matter, this is Jihad ...your way is to give up and call it Islam ..shame on your ignorant stand and hyporcrites words.
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2008-11-20 15:26:21
Abdullah Ibn Adam:
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MPACUK: Taking on dense Muslims (Part 1)
Let me guess, charity begins at home. Most dense muslims are to be found in mpac, so this course will be handy for the millions of mpac supporters. MPAC - Without a scholar, your a rudderless raft on the vast ocean, battered this way and that by the wind. Well-meaning but naive college kids need to learn about their deen and not about accepting the system of Kuffar.
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2008-11-20 19:39:02
Maryam:
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Fareena I would not dare call anyone kuffar who called themselves Muslim. I merely asked if they did.
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2008-11-20 23:35:10
Goofy:
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salam,
[quote=Goofy]salam, — SairahOk saying arabic words doesnt make you 'islamic' ...DOING something for the UMMAH makes you Islamic. The article is asking muslims to DO ...you are complaining about ..no one really knows .. You need to study Islam brother and more then that you need to stand up for the Ummah .. complaining about who knows what and using arabic terms just makes you sound like someone who doesnt like anything against HT and is pretending his complaint is something islamic. well if ur gonna do SOMETHING do it according to islam and not do what u THINK is the best thing to do. i never sed anything writing in arabic, democracy is simply kufur, the prophet (saw) never went through the quraishy tribes leadership to help muslims!!! this is one ISLAMIC not arabic point that goes against democracy. btw im not a HT but iv got to say they have atleast an islamic point to what they are doing (i bet your now going to call me a HT sympthiser). i am not doubting your intentions or sincerity but the method u have chosen. i also agree with the brother T khan wassalam, your brother goofy
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2008-11-20 23:55:00
mpac you stupid monkeys:
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what do you think now. its very easy to call names.
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2008-11-21 01:05:33
Golam Murtaza:
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Nice going MPAC - with you all the way.
All you critics who have ganged up to attack it.....if you've got such a problem with "accepting the system of Kuffar" as Abdullah puts it, why exactly are you living in Britain? Do you honestly expect the non-Muslim Brits to welcome you and want to get on with you if you reject everything about them?? If you continue with your isolationism we Muslims won't have a future in this country. And this IS my country, for better or worse. You guys might want to emigrate to Saudi or wherever but I most certainly do not!
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2008-11-21 07:09:23
Bob:
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Shamsur's comment is overtly antisemitic and should be removed. Your moderatros have an extraordinarily low threshold for such dross.
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2008-11-21 08:38:50
Asif:
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salam, — Goofy...democracy is simply kufur... An overly simplistic yet stupid statement. Do people even know what democracy is? Here is a dictionary definition: 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. 2. a state having such a form of government. 3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges. 4. political or social equality; democratic spirit. 5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power. Which part of that is unIslamic or against the spirit of Islam which prides itself on equality and justice for all?!
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2008-11-21 16:06:27
Mujaahid:
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Goofy - I take your point and like you would like to see a different approach to the issue. However, your position that voting is not underpinned by the scholars is incorrect. It clearly is the lesser of the two evils (it is an evil, I make no bones about that), the greater evil and the only alternative is to remove ourselves from the political arena and allow the kuffar to make decisions that directly affect our community.The lesser of the two evils bro, there is a precedent.
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2008-11-21 16:07:30
@Golam Murtzaza:
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@ Golam Murtaza
Islam is not a popularity contest. If you want to lick the toes of those with whom you seem so enamoured, then carry on doing so. A muslim may only remain in a non-muslim country if he is engaged in dawah, so Golam are you?
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2008-11-21 19:51:38
GHJKE:
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Nice going MPAC - with you all the way. — Golam MurtazaAll you critics who have ganged up to attack it.....if you've got such a problem with "accepting the system of Kuffar" as Abdullah puts it, why exactly are you living in Britain? Do you honestly expect the non-Muslim Brits to welcome you and want to get on with you if you reject everything about them?? If you continue with your isolationism we Muslims won't have a future in this country. And this IS my country, for better or worse. You guys might want to emigrate to Saudi or wherever but I most certainly do not! did the sahaba not go to the christian king (a kuffar in ur eyes) to seek help and refuge, did not Nabi Yusuf(As) work for the non muslim governemnt, are you not taking benefit of this kuffar goverment, or r u gna argue 'its gods earth' y dont u **** of back to where ever u came from as for everyone attacking mpacs islamic knowledge, they probably have very little but then again HT trains kids up with arguements and lets them loose ready to give talks about the 'deen' when they dont know jack squat about the deen of islam. HT is about as knowledgable as mpac imo! You use ludricous arguements and prevent alot of good. and a irrelevant point to HT: smoking is haraam btw!! HT= braindead kids
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2008-11-21 21:23:57
Ghalib:
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Goofy,
you're just as you're own label/admission suggests, Goofy by name, Goofy by Nature!...who need's enemies (ZIONISM and OTHER ISLAMOPHOBES)when we have OUR very own close F(ri)ends,(mir zafar's) like you!!
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2008-11-22 11:17:12
RSD:
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Bob, Samsur is not being anti-semitic. He is expressing his opinion based upon Islam. Islam holds that the Jews have falsified the message of Moses and much before that. Islam and Judaism are competing faiths in which both sets of believers considered that their version of God's revelation is the true one.
He shows a complete lack of understanding of the dilemmas that faced Jews over the centuries, but that is ostensibly rooted in his version of his faith.
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2008-11-23 01:34:42
slickafoe:
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Look!what Mpac are saying is wake the hell up(ERM pardon the analogy)but we need to orchestrate the largest ammount of impact we can and that is not possible because of the pessimistic non voters,
collectively we are force to Reckoned with.I dont know of any ISLAMIC RULING saying dont vote or you cant vote. Remember also that IF there are such RULINGS in place,they can be changed and/or adapted to the current climate..EG if you live in darrul kuffar,darrul harb or darrul Islam..Use It !!!!!!!!!!Dont Lose It!!!!!!!!!
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2008-11-25 02:54:36
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You know we've tried being nice, and we've tried explaining things logically, but it seems that there are some Muslims who just don't get it. For the sake of the Ummah these dense Muslims deserve to hear the truth, so here it goes:Search MPACUK.org
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