They Call Muslims Extremists After They Starve Us! Print E-mail
Friday, 14 November 2008
camp_x-ray_detainees.jpgRecently the Press reported on more Government rubbish that extremism was 'on the rise'. They pointed to the fact that 'extremists'- a term they seem to love only when referring to Muslims- were to put it bluntly, those who wanted freedom from the foreign policy hell.

 

 Of course they didn’t describe Muslims using that language – they used 'jihadists' and 'terrorists' and 'extremists' which all blend into one as they try to hood wink the public as to why so many Muslims are ready to take action against them.

One wonders why malnutrition and starving a whole nation to death, as they did to 60% of Iraq killing half a million children in the process and now doing it to Palestine was termed ‘sanctions’ and was carried out by the government to ‘combat terrorists’ never once calling the actual Israeli racists ‘extremists’.

The other question of course is – ‘what do you think you are going to create when murdering millions of people – moderates?’
One language for them and another for us:

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Clifford Ishii:

Islamic extremism will cause the growth and spread of Biblical Christianity to counter Islam. There will be no kowtowing to Islam.There will be no compromising with Islam.

PS: If Biblical Christianity is extremism then so be it.
(1) 2008-11-14 04:56:34
mike:

i dont belive you when you say the sanctions killed every one in Iraq why arnt babies in Iran now all dead they have sanctions?
(2) 2008-11-14 16:06:09
T Khan:

Clifford, I am sorry to say that you have got it the other way round. It is the growth of Zionism and its impact on the Middle East that has caused the Muslim world to react in the way they have done. Zionism was born in 1801 when the London Society for the Promotion of Christianity amongst the Jews was formed with Lord Wilberforce as its founding patron. The organisation was later renamed as London Jewish Society and it still exists as the Christian Mission to Jews. At the heart of its belief is the notion that, to hasten the return of the Christ, the Jews need to be returned to their biblical lands and that they will need to be converted to Christianity. The Zionists publicly proclaim the former part but have now conveniently dropped the latter due to their miserable failure to convert but a handful of Jews, some indeed very prominent former Rabbi's such as Bishop Robat. The US Evangelicals had also joined forces with the LJS with the like of Dr. Barclays setting up his mission in Jerusalem during various parts of the 19th Century. What we see in Palestine today is a direct result of the activities of these people. Christian fundamentalism existed long before Islamic fundamentalism, and has been used with brutal ruthlessness without any consideration of compassion or humanity towards those whom they chose to dispossess to fulfil their ambitions.
(3) 2008-11-14 16:49:20
aftab ul huq:

Islamic extremism will cause the growth and spread of Biblical Christianity to counter Islam. There will be no kowtowing to Islam.There will be no compromising with Islam.

PS: If Biblical Christianity is extremism then so be it.
— Clifford Ishii


alright you, i have had quite enough of you, you are like a broken record and it is getting SEVERLY irksome.
tell me what the hell is so great about christianity huh?
lets take a tour of the things your people have done in the name of christianity.
lets start with the schism of 1053 which saw your churches split in two, greek orthadox, and roman catholic and the animosity that that created, the crusades that saw millions massacred, muslim, jew and christian...the witch trials as well.Wanna talk about how the trinity never existed until some bishops created it after meeting in a council, wanna talk about how popes were not elected but just placed as a monoploy on one family intent on controlling the vatican and the other families vying for that power, all of which led to more death and destruction, wanna talk about how at one point there existed three, yes THREE popes, or the fact that the catholic church is the largest landholder in the country and has the largest funds but fails to help anyone with it. I know, lets talk about arianism, the christian belief that jesus was only a prophet NOT the son of god, a belief entertained by the germanic tribes in rome after the roman empire collapsed, but the vatican was quick to completely eradicate these people until none remained. No, actually lets talk about the fact that the bible you so staunchly stick to has been re edited, had bits taken out, added in, entire gospels removed and covered up and taught to congregations that they never existed (gospel of mary magdalene) to the point where your holy book is barely even recognisable anymore. Or the fact that you took jesus and painted him white gave him blue eyes and then stuck him on a crucifix, attempting to celebrate his birth in december in what is essentially a pagan festival, when the truth is you dont even know when he was born.
Lets talk about the fact that your most holy site the church of the holy sepulchre is so badly in disrepair that it is almost falling down but instead of fixing it you argue amongst yourselves in different denominations as to who really inherited it.
Lets focus on the fact that though your holy book clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, you actually appoint gay bishops and encourage same sex marriage, or the fact that you encourage women bishops, i could go on and on, but frankly im getting tired.
so tell me whats so great about biblical christianity.
and i would like a reply that doesnot go along the lines of : spread of Biblical Christianity is unstoppable or whatever.
(4) 2008-11-14 17:47:24
Maryam:

Spot on Br Aftab..
(5) 2008-11-14 19:22:11
Colin the Athiest:

aftab ul huq, for once I totally agree with you. The man is tiresome and his views should be challenged.

However, I believe he has the right to say his views in a public forum, no matter how misguided you and I may think they are.

It is the same for Islam. I totally believe that anyone can follow Islam if they want to in this country, but at the same time anyone challenging Islam (me) should not be labelled an Islamophobe.

As for the article itself, the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.

The report stated that our government has said 'extremism' is on the rise. I don't know if that is true or not, but there is no doubt there have been yet again muslim people trying to bomb the population.

(6) 2008-11-15 09:24:14
aftab ul huq:

aftab ul huq, for once I totally agree with you. The man is tiresome and his views should be challenged.

However, I believe he has the right to say his views in a public forum, no matter how misguided you and I may think they are.

It is the same for Islam. I totally believe that anyone can follow Islam if they want to in this country, but at the same time anyone challenging Islam (me) should not be labelled an Islamophobe.

As for the article itself, the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.

The report stated that our government has said 'extremism' is on the rise. I don't know if that is true or not, but there is no doubt there have been yet again muslim people trying to bomb the population.

— Colin the Athiest

hi colin
absolutely anyone should be allowed to air their views without fear of reprisal of being labelled an islamaphobe, but if that person is making comments that are islamaphobic (and im not saying you are)then it is our duty to call that person to account, but i agree there is a wide gap between speaking the truth and being outwardly hating of a certain group (again not criticising you)
but i do have one problem with what you said above
the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.
that is a very foolish and niave thing to say as you must be well aware that the people being held in guantanmo bay have not had any trials or have not even been proven as being radical, rather the USA has abducted them, many for just having a beard and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and stuck them in this camp. now some may well be guilty, but until the USA gives them a fair trial, they are as innocent as you or me.
at least thats what civilised democracies say isnt it? innocent until proven guilty, and you do pride yourselves as being 'civilised' dont you.
but even if they are found to be guilty that does not mean that they can be treated in such a foul manner and have their human rights taken away.
your comments do reveal a lack of humanity for your fellow man no matter what they are supposedly 'guilty' of.

(7) 2008-11-15 15:42:00
Colin the Athiest:

aftab ul huq, for once I totally agree with you. The man is tiresome and his views should be challenged.

However, I believe he has the right to say his views in a public forum, no matter how misguided you and I may think they are.

It is the same for Islam. I totally believe that anyone can follow Islam if they want to in this country, but at the same time anyone challenging Islam (me) should not be labelled an Islamophobe.

As for the article itself, the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.

The report stated that our government has said 'extremism' is on the rise. I don't know if that is true or not, but there is no doubt there have been yet again muslim people trying to bomb the population.

— aftab ul huq

hi colin
absolutely anyone should be allowed to air their views without fear of reprisal of being labelled an islamaphobe, but if that person is making comments that are islamaphobic (and im not saying you are)then it is our duty to call that person to account, but i agree there is a wide gap between speaking the truth and being outwardly hating of a certain group (again not criticising you)
but i do have one problem with what you said above
the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.
that is a very foolish and niave thing to say as you must be well aware that the people being held in guantanmo bay have not had any trials or have not even been proven as being radical, rather the USA has abducted them, many for just having a beard and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and stuck them in this camp. now some may well be guilty, but until the USA gives them a fair trial, they are as innocent as you or me.
at least thats what civilised democracies say isnt it? innocent until proven guilty, and you do pride yourselves as being 'civilised' dont you.
but even if they are found to be guilty that does not mean that they can be treated in such a foul manner and have their human rights taken away.
your comments do reveal a lack of humanity for your fellow man no matter what they are supposedly 'guilty' of.

— Colin the Athiest

I agree that maybe my words lacked a degree of humanity. I do think the people there should not be treated in such a manner. They should be held in prison and put on trial. The new President will do that.

However, my words, though lacking in humanity, and I apologise for that, are clouded in the knowledge that these people have tried to kill UK soldiers and UK citizens, which in my opinion is unforgivable.
(8) 2008-11-16 11:03:27
aftab ul huq:

aftab ul huq, for once I totally agree with you. The man is tiresome and his views should be challenged.

However, I believe he has the right to say his views in a public forum, no matter how misguided you and I may think they are.

It is the same for Islam. I totally believe that anyone can follow Islam if they want to in this country, but at the same time anyone challenging Islam (me) should not be labelled an Islamophobe.

As for the article itself, the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.

The report stated that our government has said 'extremism' is on the rise. I don't know if that is true or not, but there is no doubt there have been yet again muslim people trying to bomb the population.

— Colin the Athiest

hi colin
absolutely anyone should be allowed to air their views without fear of reprisal of being labelled an islamaphobe, but if that person is making comments that are islamaphobic (and im not saying you are)then it is our duty to call that person to account, but i agree there is a wide gap between speaking the truth and being outwardly hating of a certain group (again not criticising you)
but i do have one problem with what you said above
the picture used is just being provocative, showing a bunch of terrorists in prison and tying it to the word extremism. Well the people there are extremists, that's why they are there.
that is a very foolish and niave thing to say as you must be well aware that the people being held in guantanmo bay have not had any trials or have not even been proven as being radical, rather the USA has abducted them, many for just having a beard and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and stuck them in this camp. now some may well be guilty, but until the USA gives them a fair trial, they are as innocent as you or me.
at least thats what civilised democracies say isnt it? innocent until proven guilty, and you do pride yourselves as being 'civilised' dont you.
but even if they are found to be guilty that does not mean that they can be treated in such a foul manner and have their human rights taken away.
your comments do reveal a lack of humanity for your fellow man no matter what they are supposedly 'guilty' of.

— aftab ul huq

I agree that maybe my words lacked a degree of humanity. I do think the people there should not be treated in such a manner. They should be held in prison and put on trial. The new President will do that.

However, my words, though lacking in humanity, and I apologise for that, are clouded in the knowledge that these people have tried to kill UK soldiers and UK citizens, which in my opinion is unforgivable.
— Colin the Athiest

but colin they haven't, they have just been picked up and stuck in the camp with no reason as to why, so how can you say that these men have been attempting to kill uk citizens or soldiers? where is that evidence?
please show me.
you are right about one thing you said though, your knowledge certainly is clouded.
(9) 2008-11-16 15:30:07
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