Thanks for this, but the muslim response should not be "why are so and so not doing something about this", if you see something wrong then it is incumbent upon you (i.e. MPAC) to do something about this. So how many mosques have mpac written to about this company, what has mpac done to raise awareness of what you highlight in the article?

I hope my comments do not offend, please view them as constructive criticism.

Plus, please sort out the typos in the article.

Don't shoot the messenger.

A good piece of initial investigation by MPAC.

Looking at Policy Exchange - they have links to the Government and to The Opposition.
(see their recent speakers list at the end)

There is little doubt that the anti-Muslim campaign is formal policy and is being run by the Government indirectly through these think tanks so that no blame can be attached directly to the Government.

However, Policy Exchange’s own site states that they are are registered charity, like Civitas, a questionable status that can be taken up in the form of a formal complaint by MPAC or a Muslim lawyer to the Charity Commission. This is where our university law students need to step forward for Islam.

Now listening to Muslims, there is a form of naivety that anyone who makes a program about Islam ‘‘must be good’’.
This needs to be addressed by the mosques.

RECENT SPEAKERS at Policy Exchange:
Rt Hon. Hazel Blears MP
Rt Hon George Osborne MP
Rt Hon Nick Clegg MP
Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Rt Hon William Hague
MP Peter Clarke
Rt Hon Hazel Blears MP
José Maria Aznar

The reasons why mosques aren't even aware of attacks upon them are inability ot speak/understand English, not keeping abreast with world affairs, being fatwa-driven and not interested in knowledge, plus watching dreadful 'Mullahs'/clerics/'ulema' on 'Islamic' channels on satellite TV.

You can only imagine what the Jewish community would do if a programme was made about the institutional 'oppression' of women amongst the Orthodox Jews.

Alas the mosques Junta (sorry 'committees) are populated with either village idiots (usually with fat bellies - even at the end of Ramzan) and wild beards, or by demented Wahabis. Some are just run by power-crazed un-employable illiterates.

It is by removing Wahabis, and bringing in more women in positions of power in the Mosques that any progress will be seen (a) in mosques, and (b) in Islamic world.

They've also used Israeli state sponsored propaganda front outfit MEMRI. This is run by an ex-Israeli General and routinely mistranslates Arabic to show Muslims in a bad light. This indicates what Hardcash's agenda really is. Notice how they didn't explain it.

Why do mpac have to inform themm? If they were doing their jobs right then surely they would be informing others not waiting idle until someone brings them news. Even then they would not know what to do.

Actually there has been counter-actions:

See Shaykh Khalid Yasin's reply to them:
http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic1696.html

Also see the video that was broadcasted over the Internet as a reply (session 1):
http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic1700.html

Also Islam Channel has something coming soon, i've heard.

hi Ruby,

Can you tell me what's stopping you from opening your own women only Masjid?

Go ahead, no one will stop you and you can run it how you like. I'm sure there might be other women who share your sentiments.

Why dont you show the men how to do it?

You talk as though you are some poor helpless soul. The fact is you control your life - you are the cause of its ups and downs - if something is wrong with it, YOU are the one who can change it - quit blamming others, that's just a self defeatist attitude.

It really doesnt take much to start a mosque.

I've seen many start from a room in a small house, grow to a small house, then the next door house etc etc.

Why should'nt the 'mosque commititees' run their mosque how they see fit. AFter all they are the ones that toiled annd stuggled to build them in the first place. They arent answerable to you or Mapacuk or the UK Government or anyone else.

So the only solution I can see for your frustrations is to open your own mosque - you will have my 'moral' support.

Ruby, do you go by the name Ed 'Munafiq' Hussain in daylight hours?

Re Nadeemio??

your arguments are not just tired but incorrect. Typical mosque monkey always rushing to the defense of those half wit brain dead barbarian thugs who run OUR mosques.

Firstly the reason they should not run OUR mosques they way THEY want too is because - THEY did not pay for them WE did.

The problem with thick dictator lovers like you is you like to think the gonns paid for the mosque from their OWN pocket. They did not they get it from OUR pockets!

Secondly if you knew anything about Islam you would know all the rightly guided Khalifa's asked Muslims to hold them ACCOUNTABLE - and yet YOU think its ok to let the goons destroy the house of Allah and the Ummah because as you so nicely put it 'toiled and struggled'.

No one toiled more then the Umar and even he was happy when someone showed him the sword if he failed in his task as the Khalifah!

Now tell your dad to hand back the mosque to its rightful owners - the Ummah and Allah!

do you go by the name of Omar MI5 Bakri during yours?

You know, I believe MPACUK has a certain amount of blame for spreading attitudes which you show. They need to address this big time.

You talk as though you own the mosques.

I dont think many muslims would want someone with the atttitudes you demonstate to have any decision making influence in a mosque.

If you dont like any mosque then dont give your money to them.


These mosques are run by those who are most worthy to run them, and whether you like it or not the most worthy to run then are the ones that got off thier backsides and actually took the time and effort to build them.

It's so easy to criticize and scorn other peoples efforts at something and at the same time never make any attempt at it yourself.


Raheem, make your own mosque, if your not happy with any mosque here.

You are clearly very angry, channel your anger into something positive instead of just insulting and scorning people.

Open your own mosque and run it how you like. Show us how a mosque should be run.

Good luck.

Really?? I don’t think so my friend; I posted the link to challengeyoursoul.com last week under the other ranting article. I also e-mailed MPAC over three weeks ago, prior to the documentary being aired with the link and the counter e-mail by Sh. Yasin. Nevertheless better late than never and still ahead of some.

The number of people on this site randomly insulting, name calling and scorning people. Even in Ramadan! Give it a rest will ya. Do you people live in the real world?? If so do you speak like that to people you disagree with?? I don't think so. Hiding behind computer screens brings out all the stinking attitude, arm chair politicians like Ruby. Please, what have you done for the Ummah other than just point at someone else, blame them and then proceed to insulting them to make yourselves feel better. What a joke. Uuuf caleek.

Of course documentary makers are focusing on Islam. Since 9/11 the world wants to know all about this religion which breeds this sort of thinking. It would be silly to ignore Islam and it's radical element therefore it is in the government's interest to expose the underlying thinking of muslims to non muslims who are totally ignorant about it's beliefs, history and ambitions. Education and knowledge is everything!

It is the only religion from overseas which has wanted to impose it's culture on it's host country. Therefore it is of concern to all those who have lived under western democracy for so many years and who do not understand how or why an immigrant culture wants to change our way of life to accomodate theirs.

Or what their tenets are that explain why British democracy should not apply to them. And what Islam teaches as well as religion in these mosques. It has been quite an eye opener to some.

That is why these documentaries are made -to educate and promote awareness of how different cultures have different ideals and how to accomodate everyone within a tolerant society. Why should muslims be concerned about this openness, after all British churches are open and tolerant to all.

You'll find that "Wahabi" masjids do more than any other sect to bring women into the masjid. Admittedly there are backward people on masjid committees - these should be blamed - not "Wahabis".

So was 'Undercover Mosque' a hit piece that made up facts and peddled bigotted views?? Or was it a documentary which exposed the rascism and bigotry that are indictive of Islam??

Shouldnt the debate be about stopping secrationist ideas like the ones viewed on this programme..Instead MPACUK go after the makers of the documentary and tie them to Policy Exchange..Why not just ban anyone saying anything about Islam on TV..Religion is a negative thing so i dont know how it could be portrayed positively..Just think of the arrogance of the 'chosen people' crap..As ever burrow your heads and keep saying 'its them to blame not us'

Exactly,

I question whether some of the people posting here attacking Muslims, 'wahabis' even ever go to mosques. Because if they did they would find the 'wahabi' mosques the ones that open thier doors to women, and provide to them the same services as they provide to men.

EG.
Al-Tawhid Masjid in Leyton, London.
London Central Mosque. to name just two.

How many women on the committee and what is their phone number so I can verify it. thanks.