| Exclusive: MPACUK sister returns from Palestine |
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| Saturday, 06 September 2008 | |
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I’ve just returned from Palestine and it’s taking me forever to write up this blog post. Why? Because I’m still struggling to comprehend the experience let alone articulate it into words. I’ve campaigned for Palestinian for many years, yet no amount of experience, literature or Palestinian friends could have prepared me for the harsh reality on the ground. Over the coming weeks I will share my personal experiences from Palestine through a series of blogs taken from excerpts of my diary, with the aim of providing an honest and personal account of my journey through Palestine. Rather than relay a day by day narrative I have grouped excerpts under broader headings such as The Apartheid Wall, Demonstrations, Hebron etc, so that you might be able to gage a more detailed understanding of the situation. Beyond sharing my personal experience, I cannot overstate the importance of encouraging more people to visit Palestine and witnessing the situation for themselves. News, reports or the odd event, provide useful information but the reality on the ground is far worse; more people need to go out and witness first-hand the impact of Israel’s reign of terror on every aspect of Palestinian life – social, political and economic. Please note, that the views reflected in this blog are purely my own and cannot be attributed to MPACUK.
Entering Palestine The ordeal lasted all of 5 and half hours. After the first round of inane questioning, we lingered in the waiting area for a few hours, iPod batteries dying, conversation drying out and a pokey little shop for sustenance. A few more rounds of questioning followed, the tone progressively becoming harsher. Questions ranged from where you plan to go in ‘Israel’, how much money you’re carrying, do you know anyone in ‘Israel’, why you’ve travelled to every country who’s visa is stamped in your passport and who paid for you degree.
Most of the questioning is designed to intimidate and waste time, if you were deemed a serious threat, your feet wouldn’t touch the ground before they whisked you away. We waited and waited. At one point we were approached by a chirpy Israeli officer in plain clothes who reassured us we’d be out of there by closing time - adding he’d been to India and loved the culture; just to illustrate what a culturally aware and ‘nice guy’ he was. “See, there are some nice Israeli’s too” one of my friends remarked. Just a few hours later, as we were leaving I saw the same man, not looking so friendly as he rummaged through the suitcases of a couple of young girls. These two girls were travelling alone and were from Sweden but of Arab descent. They were around 17-18 years old, had been strip searched and were now having all their belongings swabbed and invaded by 3 Israeli officers. They were just kids, going to Palestine to do some volunteer work in the North of the West Bank. Arriving in Jerusalem
We arrived in Jerusalem at 10pm, entering the Old City through the famous Damascus Gate – surreal. We checked in and ran to the Al-Aqsa, to offer prayers before they locked the gates - just in time!
My romantic notions of Jerusalem however were short-lived. It’s not that I didn’t value the historical and religious significance of this magnificent city, but it is difficult to appreciate in light of current circumstances. Every street corner in the Old City is punctuated with Israeli guards and surveillance cameras at every 30 meters monitoring your every move. Even to enter the Al Aqsa for prayer, you face constant hassle from the security guards. I couldn’t always tell whether they were Muslim or not, not that it mattered, they’d hassle you anyway. Flicking slowly through your passport, asking you to recite a verse from the Qur’an (regardless of whether they themselves understood it), asking random and absurd questions, anything and everything to delay your prayer. It was outside the Al Aqsa of all places that I lost count of the number of times I was threatened with arrest. Yes, I found it difficult to tolerate impudence form half-brain gun-toting adolescent’s who had barely broken their voice.
More saddening however, was the number of Palestinians that I met in other parts of the West Bank, who longed for the day they would be allowed to re-enter Jerusalem and offer their prayers at the holy sanctuary. For some it had been almost a decade.
I loved gazing over the old city walls from the Mount of Olives, sitting on the steps by Damascus Gate and imagining Salahdin’s army marching through, praying at the Al Aqsa and wandering through its vast grounds, but in spite of these wonderful experiences, I struggled to find peace of mind. How did the Palestinians do it? They possess an inspiring spirit and strength of character that is humbling and overwhelming at the same time. I met many individuals that had been imprisoned or detained and brutally tortured by the Israeli’s, but continued to fight and continue with life’s daily routine. “We don’t have the luxury to sit around and feel sorry for ourselves” M told me, “...we have an occupation to fight”. M intrigued me, a political activist, trained psychologist and community worker; he had been detained and imprisoned many times. During one prolonged period of detention, his mother was brought in to exert emotional blackmail. They held her in a separate cell for over 24 hours, but when they brought her to him, she told him ‘if you are my son, you will not give in or tell them anything’. I couldn’t imagine what I would have done if I had been in either of their positions, would I have had such conviction or strength. Since 1967, Israel has detained and imprisoned over 700,000 Palestinians, as part of its policy to destroy the resistance; I didn’t meet anyone who had not been affected in some way- either through their own imprisonment or that of a family member or friend. “We don’t feel sorry for ourselves because you always know there is someone who has it far worse...” As a qualified psychologist, M recognised the importance of post traumatic psycho –social care, but pointed out that such luxuries could only be afforded in semi-normal circumstances, ‘Palestine is far from normal’. In a country where every family will have experienced a member being imprisoned or tortured, where individuals are held for years without trial or evidence, where young children are shot dead at close range by Israeli soldiers, where illegal walls cut through the lives and livelihoods of an entire people...there is nothing normal about such a place. Its’ a place that shocks and numbs your senses simultaneously. There were times when I’d hear someone say: “They can’t do that” or “that’s not right, how could they get away with that”? The fact is, that they do. It is a place where logic and ethics are suspended. Why two teenage girls travelling alone would be strip searched and undergo hours of frightening interrogation makes no sense. Sharing a bus with Israeli teenagers listening to their iPods and text messaging, with M16’s hanging from their pubescent bodies is not normal. Palestinians being marched off buses to go through checkpoints, while tourists remain seated is not normal. Crazy settler kids as young as 10 carrying weapons in places like Hebron...none of it is normal. A friend of mine returned from Palestine a few days ago and was startled by the sight of a passerby with a black umbrella - because he mistook it for an M16. A Palestinian student, studying in the US, shocked her roommate at college when she told her that the sound of ambulance sirens reminded her of home. A friend of mine had to walk for three hours through the mountains, to make it for a TV interview, because the Israeli’s had shut down a checkpoint. None of these situations is normal, but it’s what the Palestinians have to put up with on a daily basis. While my natural reaction at witnessing the atrocities in Palestine may have been anger or sadness, witnessing the strength and resilience of ordinary Palestinians was an invaluable lesson in transforming emotions and negative sentiments into something more positive and constructive. It’s not our sympathy that the Palestinians need, its direct strategic action. To be continued... Part 2 coming soon, inshAllah. Readers have left 47 comments.
Number one priority:
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Occuppied Palestine should be number priority for the Ummah. Number one O Ummah. Number one!
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2008-09-06 08:50:30
Olson:
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Interesting account.
The Israelis need to be persuaded to disengage from the West Bank and end the economic blockade of Gaza. Will the creation of a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank based on agreed boudaries be an end to this long-running problem?
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2008-09-06 09:46:51
Colin the Athiest:
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An interesting article. One thing struck me, the Israelis called the area 'Israel' and the writer called it 'Palestine'. Neither is true. For the area to have a universally accepted name a lasting settlement has to be negotiated between the two parties. It seems to me there is no will from either side to do this, for various reasons. But Hamas constantly sending rockets into southern Israel and the fighting between Fatah and Hamas will not set the right conditions for peace.
Stop the shelling of Israel, Israel therefore will not respond. Stop the infighting between Fatah and Hamas so that the Palestinians can be represented by a single body. Get Hamas to recognise Israel's right to exist. Get both parties together to sort out a land, security and economic settlement, then the above article would not need to be written.
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2008-09-06 09:50:44
shan:
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Colin a a rapist has no right to rape,the palestinian nation has been raped and pillaged for the last 60 years and their tormenters rub it in their faces day in day out.
demanding that the victim recognise the right of the rapist to rape the victim can only be the logic of a sick mind. finally no occupation no resistance, israel should be asked to decide either end occupation or have a one nation for all, before history takes its natural course of events.
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2008-09-06 10:34:49
Olson:
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shan
"israel should be asked to decide either end occupation" From my understanding 'Land for Peace' has always been on the table. Sure, there are Israeli-Jewish settlers in the West Bank still, but in a future Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza could they not remain as Palestinian Jews?
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2008-09-06 11:05:05
Colin the Athiest:
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Colin a a rapist has no right to rape,the palestinian nation has been raped and pillaged for the last 60 years and their tormenters rub it in their faces day in day out. — shandemanding that the victim recognise the right of the rapist to rape the victim can only be the logic of a sick mind. finally no occupation no resistance, israel should be asked to decide either end occupation or have a one nation for all, before history takes its natural course of events. As for a single nation, why would the Israelis want to give up Israel? There are many Arabs in Israel with voting, eductional rights etc. Why would they want to live with people who have an idealogy of eradicting all Jews?
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2008-09-06 11:13:26
shan:
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colin that is where the p.r come in again,the palestinians were ethnically cleansed from palestine as admitted many times by former terrorists of the irgun-stern and hagannah terror groups.
so please do not insult our intellect,if israel does not wish to give back what it has stolen then people who have been aggreived will take back what was stolen from them, the choice is for the israelis to make. History does not favour one side for favour.
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2008-09-06 11:51:28
Taz:
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Colin a a rapist has no right to rape,the palestinian nation has been raped and pillaged for the last 60 years and their tormenters rub it in their faces day in day out. — Colin the Athiestdemanding that the victim recognise the right of the rapist to rape the victim can only be the logic of a sick mind. finally no occupation no resistance, israel should be asked to decide either end occupation or have a one nation for all, before history takes its natural course of events. As for a single nation, why would the Israelis want to give up Israel? There are many Arabs in Israel with voting, eductional rights etc. Why would they want to live with people who have an idealogy of eradicting all Jews? Colin The Zionist. You are wrong on so many levels one can only conclude that you are lying deliberately instead of simply being mistaken. Sad apologist for ethnic cleansing. For that is what happened and stop trying to blame the Arabs. It was that Zionists that plotted in Europe and America and came from there not to "settle" but to occupy. A big well done to MPAC for defacing the filthy Apartheid wall built by the Zionists to steal the land and water that rightly belongs to the Palestinian people.
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2008-09-06 12:42:06
Pali4ever:
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colin says the problem started in 1948; well it started way back, when the Zionists started to pay off world leaders , to give a land that is not theirs to the Jews who have no right to have it. Muslims were in Spain for 8 centuries , we can't come now and say we have the right to be in spain although Islamic buildings are still standing tall. while there is not even one jewish building in all of Palestine, I mean now they try to - and i saw this with my own eyes- change history, i saw them changing historical artifacts like mosaic from Islamic or christain into jewish symbols. Palestine has a name if you look at ancient maps the area was called palestine, there is no mention for israel anywhere, it is a new name that the zionists made up around 1947, and it was chosen from a list of names , at first they couldn't dream of having Palestine, they didn't even care, the 1st plan was to take Uganda a country in another continent , they don't care who's land it is, they are by they're own writings the only true humans while other nations are pigs made by god to serve them" I just quoted the Telmud their book of religious teachings, they honestly believe that, they call non jews "Go-em" they say that to your face if you're not a Jew, they be like can you do this for me it's shabat and i need a "go-e"(for single) to do it for me, you look the Hebrew dictionary for the word and it means ..ANIMAL!
so about Hamas rockets, imagine some guy coming and taking your house while he has a gun, isn't it your right to fight him out? this is it it is our right as Palestinians to fight for our freedom, and whoever says we dont have that right,let me know where he lives so i can come take his house and see if he wont fight me out, and also when you take something as dear as a country to it's people, you should expect the people to fight you not have peace with you, I mean Zionists you rape our land, and then expect us to just watch you and throw roses at you? we dont want to eradicate anyone, we just want you to take the same ships that brought you to our lands since 1900 to 1948 and go back to Russia eastern Europe or wherever you came from, if you look at how mixed the people of Israel are and how they don't even have a culture that combines them they steal Palestinian tradition, culture and even words and food, what a joke when the call hommus and falafel an Israeli food the words are Arabic Palestinian words and they do not exist in Hebrew, while the Palestinians have a distinctive unique culture and tradition, that comes from the Palestinian soil itself, this country is for Palestinians and for no one else. AND i JUST LOVED THE MPAC UK DONE AT THE APARTHEID WALL, THE ARTIST WHO DID IT MUST BE SO BRAVE TO DO IT. ;)
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2008-09-06 15:59:26
Olson:
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pali4ever
"what a joke when the call hommus and falafel an Israeli food the words are Arabic Palestinian words and they do not exist in Hebrew" Without Judaism there would be no Christianity and no Islam. There would be no 'salaam', no 'Amen', no idea of one God. Never mind the falafel.
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2008-09-06 16:31:54
shan:
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olson you are mistaken christianity and islam are here not because of judaism but because of gods revelations to their prophets.
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2008-09-06 17:42:29
Akbar:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid????
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2008-09-06 18:44:34
pali4ever:
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pali4ever — Olson"what a joke when the call hommus and falafel an Israeli food the words are Arabic Palestinian words and they do not exist in Hebrew" Without Judaism there would be no Christianity and no Islam. There would be no 'salaam', no 'Amen', no idea of one God. Never mind the falafel. oh my friend you are so wrong , without a one god there would be no judaism no christianity and no Islam, jews came with nothing from them selves, the fact that they disobeyed god and killed the messengers, made god punish them through the ages,ameen is not a word from jews it is from god, salaam is gods name, actually if u look in the torah you will find no word as judaism ! it was made many centuries after the torah, the true relegion that god gave to moses is Islam, but the jews changed the word of god to something that suits them. the torah you know now has only but a small resemblance to the original one. go ask any rabai.the idea of one god came before jews since Adam, and Islam is the religion of Abraham, he said he is the first muslim, and he called us with that name. the only holly book that is still the same and in the original language is Islam, so go do your homework first.
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2008-09-06 18:45:41
pali4ever:
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oslon the words of ameen and the truth of one god were there thousands of years before judaism, judaism is not the religion of moses , Islam which means submission to god is what god tought Adam and the messengers that followed, there is a difference between jews and israeli zionists, in fact many jews arround the world say zionists raped the land of palestine from palestinians, that has nothing to do with the fact that god is one, and god is for all humans not for jews as jews say, the zionists u know now r not the jews of moses. and by all logic, are you saying jews created the one god? or did the one god create us all, and then sent his messengers to the nation of moses, and to other nations to guide them to his path, and by the way Abraham which is the father of muslims and jews, was he a jew? no he was not, he was a muslim like all prophets, we are talking politics here, and the falafel is an example of something you failed to understand, read what i wrote again, maybe you'll get the point, there is no Israeli culture, but there is a palestinian culture that goes thousands of years before jews came with david, and it is taken from the land itself the land which is ours PALESTINE!
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2008-09-06 19:47:06
Kuffar:
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Nice chip on your shoulder there, palirever. Would you like some mayo to go with that?
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2008-09-06 22:21:23
shlemazl:
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pali4ever (14):
"jews came with nothing from them selves, the fact that they disobeyed god and killed the messengers, made god punish them through the ages,ameen is not a word from jews it is from god, salaam is gods name, actually if u look in the torah you will find no word as judaism !" Jewish men, women and children have been persecuted over the centuries because of people with views like that. This is why the State of Israel was created. It's been over 60 years now... Hate us all you want, we don't care. If you try to kill us, we'll fight back.
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2008-09-07 03:19:25
Crimson King:
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This is a one sided article where the author does everything to cast Israeli security forces and Israelis in general in a bad light even though they did nothing to her which seems to indicate this.
So she was questioned by the border control,big deal,with all the suicide bombings etc Israel has gone through you would expect it to be the case. She was allowed to walk around freely in Jerusalem and other places and do as she pleased and no one even cared and bothered her about this. Yet she writes about "riding a bus with Israeli teenagers with m16s" as if its the worst thing to ever happen to her. In contrast I think we all know what would happen to the first Israeli who will try to openly go into a place like oh say Rammalah.
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2008-09-07 06:36:59
Olson:
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Pali4ever.
I was talking as an atheist not a man of religion. Unfortunately people of strong faith (jewss, Christians and Muslims) don't like it when academic historical research methods are applied to religion. It is highly probable that Yahwism (belielf in one God) came not from the Israelites but that He (Yahweh - God) was ONE of the Canaanites or Philistines GODS (Plural). It os probable that the [the early Israelites] chose Yahweh as their national God. Your outburst merely proves why Israel and the Jews are not safe from mindsets like yours.
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2008-09-07 07:27:09
Olson:
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"they disobeyed god and killed the messengers"
Name one. the Romans killed Jesus, if that is who you are referring to (although there is NO historical eveidence to suggest that he existed at all). Otherwise your accusations are the same as those peddled by the Catholic Church for centuries to justify their persecution of the Jews. Could it be that Christians (and Muslims) are upset that the inventors of monmotheism, the originators of the stories of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) do not accept any later prophets? And what happened to the Jews as 'People of the Book'?
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2008-09-07 07:31:45
Taz:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid???? — AkbarYes Akbar so glad you have got straight to the most important issue. Not.
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2008-09-07 10:06:48
Jordon:
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shan — Olson"israel should be asked to decide either end occupation" From my understanding 'Land for Peace' has always been on the table. Sure, there are Israeli-Jewish settlers in the West Bank still, but in a future Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza could they not remain as Palestinian Jews? Looks like your dirty zio nazi racism is finally coming out and you try to cover your peoples theft and brutal murder of the palestinians and their land. Land for peace ??? - the palestinians have no land and no peace because of men like you.
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2008-09-07 12:03:39
mick:
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Recently also, the "Palestinian" Authority asked Israel, which gave refuge to nearly 200, and gave free medical care to two dozen wounded, members or supporters of Fatah who had fled Gaza, not to keep them, nor to transfer them to the Arab-occupied "West Bank," but to send them back to Gaza.
The reason, as given by a "Palestinian" member of the Slow Jihad (Fatah) quoted in a Jerusalem Post article, is this: "Everyone knows that if we allow people to leave the Gaza Strip, almost all the residents living there would try to cross the border into Israel. We don't want to leave the Gaza Strip to Hamas." They would -- "almost all" of them, "try to cross the border into Israel." You know -- into Israel, to which every Arab flees when he can, whenever faced with Arab enemies. The members of Black September did this when Jordanian King Hussein’s men pursued them. They waded crossed the Jordan, their hands raised, knowing that the Israelis would not harm them but would take them in.) They fled into the country routinely denounced as "Nazi-like" or even "worse than the Nazis." We all remember how the Nazis offered free medical care to Jews and other benefits, so that they would always flee to Nazi-held territory whenever they could. Don't forget this kind of telling display, and the even more telling comment by a Fatah official. Don't forget it, and don't forget to remind others, when they go into their Guardian-or-BBC or World-Council-of-Churches or Amnesty-International or Human-Rights-Watch or United-Nations slander-and-rant against Israel. Remember not to forget.
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2008-09-07 16:10:30
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pali4ever — Olson"what a joke when the call hommus and falafel an Israeli food the words are Arabic Palestinian words and they do not exist in Hebrew" Without Judaism there would be no Christianity and no Islam. There would be no 'salaam', no 'Amen', no idea of one God. Never mind the falafel. Yeah, and without milk there would be no cornflakes. Here's a thought for you. ALLAH SWT brought the prophets to jews, Jesus is one of them. And He also brought the same prophet Moses, to Muhammad (SAW). So let's cut out the nonsense because now, the same God is saying, "Eh, shut it! I did that and none of you listened but now, I gave you Islam. Your last chance!" Simple. There we go with your "if there was no milk kind of parrable there won't be cornflakes." hear it all time and makes me laugh at the obsurdity.
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2008-09-07 23:03:50
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pali4ever — Olson"what a joke when the call hommus and falafel an Israeli food the words are Arabic Palestinian words and they do not exist in Hebrew" Without Judaism there would be no Christianity and no Islam. There would be no 'salaam', no 'Amen', no idea of one God. Never mind the falafel. Are you seriously saying that God Himself would be unable to spread his message without the Jews or Judasim? Are you mad?
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2008-09-08 15:00:58
Akbar:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid???? — TazYes Akbar so glad you have got straight to the most important issue. Not.
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2008-09-08 15:12:48
Saleem:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid???? — AkbarYes Akbar so glad you have got straight to the most important issue. Not. the MAIN reason a muslim should go to PALESTINE is to help the PALESTINIANS! - brother do you know anything about Islam?
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2008-09-08 16:32:28
hazel tomas:
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I think Palestine should be freed from all occupation Israeli and Jordanian. What right do these two states have to exist. Let's transfer them back into one country called Palestine and have our Great Britain control it again.
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2008-09-08 17:14:54
Akbar:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid???? — SaleemYes Akbar so glad you have got straight to the most important issue. Not. the MAIN reason a muslim should go to PALESTINE is to help the PALESTINIANS! - brother do you know anything about Islam? There are organisations like Friends of Al-Aqsa who are fighting tooth and nail to save Masjid Al-Aqsa, those who proclaim to visit Jerusalem but not the real Al-Aqsa are not only doing themselves a disservice, but also the Palestinians whom they are proporting to support.
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2008-09-08 18:16:24
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Interesting article on the writers story of her visit to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. I wanted to comment that events the writer describes as not normal are in fact very normal for those living in that region of the world.
For me this is a human issue and I ask the questions - should human beings, no matter what religion, creed, color, and denomination, be treated the way the human beings are treated in the West Bank and Gaza? Why is it that leaders in the region do not behave with Integrity? Why are the religious zealots on all sides not being exposed and held to account for peddling possibilities and agendas of hate and doom and gloom? Why does this region have to play the, I am right and you are wrong blame game and ignore the bigger prize of peace?
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2008-09-08 19:25:18
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Akbar: YES i prayed at the AL-Aqsa. Thanks for your obsessive concern...now maybe you wanna try reading the rest of the article
Print it off in size 16 font if you need my friend, it seems it might take you a while
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2008-09-08 21:36:17
Akbar:
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Akbar: YES i prayed at the AL-Aqsa. Thanks for your obsessive concern...now maybe you wanna try reading the rest of the article — AuthorPrint it off in size 16 font if you need my friend, it seems it might take you a while I read your article the first time around. Glad to hear you prayed at the Al-Aqsa. Your patronising style will win you very few friends.
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2008-09-09 10:11:44
Olson:
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No, I don't think i am mad. I merely quote a historical not faith-based truth. Any secular, non-religious historian will tell you that the idea of one God first surfaced, as far as we know, from amongst the early Israelite tribes, that they took one God from amongst many and made him their national god to the exclusion of others which the Canaanites and philitines worshipped. If one looks at history without the distorting glasses of religious insistence then you will see that people of faith have to have exactly that...faith...because their claims don't stand the test of proper scrutiny. The JEws first 'invented' a one God. Other belief systems built on it. It's just a shame so many feel the need to eliminate the originators of their myths.
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2008-09-09 10:23:03
Olson:
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Absurd
What you believe to be true and what you know to be true are two different things. Western secular, academic tradition (in particular Anglo-Saxon, North European, Protestant - as opposed to Latin) insists on a methodology when enquiring into the lives and times of the ancients. Not blind faith.
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2008-09-09 10:40:24
Taz:
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Akbar: YES i prayed at the AL-Aqsa. Thanks for your obsessive concern...now maybe you wanna try reading the rest of the article — AkbarPrint it off in size 16 font if you need my friend, it seems it might take you a while I read your article the first time around. Glad to hear you prayed at the Al-Aqsa. Your patronising style will win you very few friends. And your concern with trivia will win you even fewer friends. The author spoke about Al Aqsa just because they showed a photo of the Dome of the Rock it doesn't mean they mistook one for the other now does it? Your concern is misplaced, unwanted and pointless.
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2008-09-09 13:12:07
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"they disobeyed god and killed the messengers" — OlsonName one. the Romans killed Jesus, if that is who you are referring to (although there is NO historical eveidence to suggest that he existed at all). Otherwise your accusations are the same as those peddled by the Catholic Church for centuries to justify their persecution of the Jews. Could it be that Christians (and Muslims) are upset that the inventors of monmotheism, the originators of the stories of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) do not accept any later prophets? And what happened to the Jews as 'People of the Book'? My word you just get worse and worse! - As a Jew do you have no regard for your God? How did you 'invent' Monotheism??? - my word you are really one twisted man. You really need to change faiths if that what they are teaching in you in Zio-school you Jewish extremist.
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2008-09-09 14:44:53
Rahul:
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Akbar: YES i prayed at the AL-Aqsa. Thanks for your obsessive concern...now maybe you wanna try reading the rest of the article — AkbarPrint it off in size 16 font if you need my friend, it seems it might take you a while I read your article the first time around. Glad to hear you prayed at the Al-Aqsa. Your patronising style will win you very few friends. Brother I agree that you are trying to ensure the Zio Nazi's do not teach muslims that Al Aqsa is the Dome of the rock and it is right for you to have made that point to teach muslims there is a difference as you normally only see pictures of the golden dome and NOT al Aqsa. However you should have said it like that so people realise what you are saying is correct and for the good of the Ummah. Lastly if a muslim went to Palestine and fought for palestinian without ever praying in Al Aqsa it would still be worth it. There is no reward on earth as great as Jihad. One morning in Jihad is worth more then all the world and everything in it. One night simply watching out in defense of the Ummah is better the the night of Qadr.
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2008-09-09 14:59:29
Akbar:
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And your concern with trivia will win you even fewer friends. The author spoke about Al Aqsa just because they showed a photo of the Dome of the Rock it doesn't mean they mistook one for the other now does it? Your concern is misplaced, unwanted and pointless. — TazBelief, I know of people who've made the same perilous journey as the author to attend the wrong masjid - the octagonal one with the golden dome, thinking it's the Al-Aqsa. I was concerned the same mistake was done here, I hope it wasn't.
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2008-09-09 15:55:59
Palestinian Resistance:
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pali4ever (14): — shlemazl"jews came with nothing from them selves, the fact that they disobeyed god and killed the messengers, made god punish them through the ages,ameen is not a word from jews it is from god, salaam is gods name, actually if u look in the torah you will find no word as judaism !" Jewish men, women and children have been persecuted over the centuries because of people with views like that. This is why the State of Israel was created. It's been over 60 years now... Hate us all you want, we don't care. If you try to kill us, we'll fight back. We do hate you, we hate your murder and killing of our children and we aim to fight you until you stop. Dont worry - we are not scared. Your days as a child killing nation are drawing to a close. Jihad is rising in muslim lands.
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2008-09-09 17:34:30
Pali4Ever:
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the whole are including the dome of the rock and Al Masjid Almarwani and Almasjid Al Aqsa and the area itself is Almasjid Al-Aqsa the Prophet (pbuh) lead the prayer with all the messengers before him on the night of esra wa me'raj in the aqsa mosque itself, sometimes on fridays back in the years before muslims from west bank were not allowed to pray in al aqsa, or even enter jerusalem you would have no place anywhere to pray, but outside the doors of the whole area, now because only jerusalem muslims can enter al aqsa, this doesn't happen. soon the zioni terrorists will also ban jerusalem muslims to enter, they are digging tunnels under it trying to bring it down, and on that day god forbid it happens, we are ready to give our lives.
as for my set of mind, you wanna call me anti-sematic ? you can't! you wanna know why? because Palestinians come from sam the son of noah and they are as all arabs sematics themselves , and we had no problem with jews and we still dont, we Palestinians are against the zionists who murder our children rape our land, then made us live in ghettos and killed our best and imprisoned our finest tortured us , and denied our right to even exist, then just claimed they are the victim, because they control the media, you sheep who follow whatever you hear on TV. you zionist come stand before me without a gun, our children fight your tanks with rocks, we don't fear you but you fear us, if you were right you wouldn't have so much fear, but thiefs and murdering cowards who murder children will always have fear, because they know that God punishes, he gives time for the oppressor to repent , but eventually his word will come upon you. just wait....
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2008-09-09 19:28:43
William:
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[QUOTE]In a country where every family will have experienced a member being imprisoned or tortured,[/QUOTE]
If you expect to be taken seriously, don't write ludicrous nonsense like this. Or are there only ten families in Palestine?
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2008-09-09 22:35:34
Pali4ever:
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In a country where every family will have experienced a member being imprisoned or tortured, If you expect to be taken seriously, don't write ludicrous nonsense like this. Or are there only ten families in Palestine? no there are not only 10 families in Palestine, but right now there are more than 11 thousand Palestinians in "Israeli" - I call them "nazi zions" - prisons , and this is in times where Palestinian resistance has gone down to it's lowest points in history, every other Palestinian you meet was in jail, or tortured or shot, or killed. come to Palestine and see the truth with your own eyes then come talk. I'll give you a tour myself. but dont judge before you see.
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2008-09-09 23:09:26
Akbar:
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Rahul and Pali4ever: Thank you for your constructive posts. I understand what you are meaning. Insha'Allah the day will come soon when Muslims will be unhindered from paying homage to the 3rd most important site in Islam.
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2008-09-10 01:13:32
Olson:
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Rabin
I'm speaking as an atheist. I belive that man 'created' God in his image, not the other way round. If I'm wrong - then I'll take the punishment. No need for you to worry about my soul, but thanks anyway for your concern.
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2008-09-10 08:30:43
dude:
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Congratulations - You prayed at Al-Aqsa Masjid. But why is the Dome of The Rock shown in your photos? Did you pray at the RIGHT masjid???? — AkbarSalaam, she did pray in the correct masjid. The whole compound is known to muslims as masjid al-aqsa. The two major buildings inside are just sheltered areas, though they do have names. The one with the golden dome is masjid al sakhrah - it is a ladies pray area during salaah times. The other sheltered area is masjid al-aqsa (not to be confused with the whole masjid al-aqsa which is the whole compound). This shltered area is where the men pray, women can pray here if its not busy. When they talk about digging under the mosque of al-aqsa they are talking about the compound and the sheltered area - theres digging happeing on two different sides. I went Just before ramadhan, al-aqsa is amazing, hebron was great as well (had a chance to give salaam to nabi ibrahim alayhisalaam and his family). We met the people of the west bank, they told us their stories - may Allah give them more strength. We cant even begin to imagine the hardships they go through on a daily basis just to survive.
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2008-09-12 23:34:19
aftab ul huq:
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the above comments confirm exactly my fears regarding the ummah of today. instead of focusing on the issue at hand, you are content to procrastinate over insignificant issues that, at the end of the day, yield you nothing. forget the above zionist infidels trying to get a rise out of us by spreading their tiresome and, by now. generic lies, we just fight amongst our selves and ensure that our people collectively get no where. we are content to strain gnats and swallow camels.
as for the zionists and pro israel jews commenting above i sincerly pray for your souls and pray that you come onto the path of islam, failing that i pray that Allah swt destroys you as he did the people of Lot, or in the same manner that he did to the armies of Ibra trying to attack the Holy Kabbah, failing that, in the manner that he destroyed those who failed to comprehend Noah's message and thus perished in the floods. toodlepip. :)
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2008-09-15 17:32:27
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