Would Muslims allow Biblical Christians into Muslims lands with freedom to practice & preach?

Pathetic. The conference is about "Jihadist Islam".

They are not airing extremist propoganda such as seen in some mosques. They are discussing how best to retain Europe's democracy, freedom, equal rights and secular government for the indiginous population who voted to live that way.

Could you link me to the original article that specifies this meeting as an "Anti Muslim Hate Speech" conference?

And because of those secular human rights if muslims want to hold a public conference airing their concerns about these countries being secular and fearing Islam, they are perfectly entitled to do so.

You seem to be the one espousing hate and fear, but there is obviously a concern when host countries are attacked from within by their residents. I haven't noticed any Methodists setting off bombs in the buses lately!

Aryeh Eldad pronounces:
“As a physician, I can tell you that a patient who denies his disease is doomed.”
Ah nice, homely Doctor.
Trust me, I'm a doctor he says.
Well Eldad, Dr. Josef Mengele was also a fellow physician and said much the same things about the Jews as Eldad is saying about us.
Mengele mutilated his ‘‘patients’’.
Eldad is mutilating us psychologically.
Mengele mainly stuck to Auschwitz.
Eldad is worldwide.
Mengele introduced himself to ''patients'' as "Uncle Mengele".
Aryeh is the Eldaddy of them all.
Eldad is a nasty piece of work.
Mengele reborn.

As a final point on spellchecking ''Aryeh'' the computer suggested ''Aryan''
A startling reminder of Nazi philosophy.
This says it all about Eldad.


(About Eldad:
Israeli Defense Forces: reached a rank of Tat Aluf (Brigadier General)
Eldad is a Revisionist Zionist – political Zionism - who believes in the ideas of arch-Zionist Zeev Jabotinsky. Eldad supports the right of Israelis to live in any part of the Land of Israel and opposes any surrender of Israeli sovereignty
As a right winger he heads the Ethics committee of the Knesset.
The Military is in charge of ethics in Israel?
Well, that’s a surprise.
Ethics? Israel? – the words just don’t go together).

If you look carefully it's an 'anti-Jihad' conference. 'Islamismor 'Jihadi Islam' is what he describes as 'a disease' not Islam.
(I still object to the use of the word 'disease', however. This type of emotive use of language is dangerous - it's like calling people scum or cancer etc).

PS
MPACUK's article says 'a bunch of Zionnists' - nowhere in the original article does it say that he is a Zionist. I'm still having trouble understanding 'Zionist' - it seems to get used here as a term of abuse but I still need someone to explain what MPAC or posters here mean by it. Is a 'Zionist' someone who believes in Israel's right to exist (67 borders, or others still to be agreed)? Or does it refer to the settler movement?

As an Athiest, there should be no organised religion, ever. However, I believe in freedom of thought and action, so long as it does not impinge on me or my family.

I do think the above article is provocative, on purpose, taking a selected quote and probably changing its whole meaning just to get a reaction and paint the people behind the conference as bad.

KUrban
"As a final point on spellchecking ''Aryeh'' the computer suggested ''Aryan''
A startling reminder of Nazi philosophy.
This says it all about Eldad."

Actually, a quick check on google would have shown you that his name is a variant of 'Ari' - hebrew for 'lion'. So, it isn't really a startling reminder of anything. As you seem to be objecting to this man's use of the word 'disease' (to describe Jihadi-Islam not Islam) can I take it that you don't fall into the same trap of calling people scum, filth, cancer etc etc?


So, Ariel would be 'Lion of God' ('el' or 'eloah' from which 'ilah' is derived).

olson the desease that needs to be challenged and eradicated is called zionism,which is a aggressive expansionist desease.
whereas what you refer to as jihadi islam is a defensive desease which comes into action to protect the body when it is under attack.

some more info for Olson, Kiwi and Colin to delight in:
According to the good doctor:
"The spread of Islam threatens the foundations of Western civilization,"

So it should be halted immediately, so genocide/ethnic cleansing must be on agenda.

"There are 60 million Muslim immigrants in Europe, and they have not necessarily come there to be assimilated into society, but rather to resist it from the inside. The feeling in Europe is that the time has come to stop jihadist Islam, and this may be the last opportunity," he explained.

According to Eldad, "The level of awareness of Islam's real character is very low, not only in Europe but also in Israel. Many in Israel live in the eye of the storm and conflict, but don't understand the difficult reality. It's time to shatter axioms and conventions."

The MK presented an example of a convention which he believes should be shattered: "For instance, that Islam is controlled by radicals but that it is different in its foundation."

He further stated that "the conference will serve as a first opportunity for the new coalition of lawmakers to work in coordination and cooperation in order to deal and fight against Europe's conversion into Eurabia. If Jerusalem capitulates, Europe will follow in its footsteps and fall," he said. (from Islamophobia-watch.com)

you guys should go hang out with other anti-muslims!

Presumably, Zayba. the only type of conference a non-mulsim can have about is Islam is the one which concludes that Islam is the most wonderful think in th eworld. Anything less is what...Islamophobia? Zionist?

You sound exactly like those who scream 'anti-semitism' whenever Israel is criticised.
(PS I don't liek the guys language which i mentioned in an earlier post. neither do i like the term Eurabia - it's just silly).

Shan
"whereas what you refer to as jihadi islam is a defensive desease which comes into action to protect the body when it is under attack."

Jihadi Islam is a defensive disease? Are you sure? Now who's pretending to be a Muslim?

proof is in the pudding as the saying goes,zionist expansion is countered by jihadi defence,no expansion no defence.
no occupation no resistance.

Olson:
K Urban clearly said that it was a spell-check of the word Aryeh not the literal meaning. In addition, the computer 'suggestion' was quite a reminder of Eldad's horrible right-wing views.

Olson, you seem to have a habit of misunderstanding, misinterpreting and misquoting people.

May I also suggest you further research the little biography of Eldad that he also attached to his earlier comment. It may prove quite interesting, as you have admitted in your comments that you do not understand certain words like ‘Zionist’.

Shan
"no occupation no resistance."

Land for Peace? The Israelis pull out of the West Bank, lift the blockade on Gaza and there will be no resistance. Sorted. Is that what you mean?

no occupation means end of all occupation either through one nation for all or the removal of occupation by force.

Shan

So no two state solution then?

Shan

So no two state solution then?

Not surprising at all.

It's what Zionists do. They feign commonality of interest and fool Western governments into speanding vast amounts of $$$$ and lives in a fight agianst Islam (sorry, 'terror'). In the meantime Russian tanks roll into Georgia (and threaten to do so in Ukraine), and promise to nuke Poland. Oh, and the Chinese busily carry on their takeover of African and its vast natural resources (dangerously contrary to Western interests).

Such is the subterfuge of the Zionist.

Time to contact your MP/MEP and find out if he/she intends to visit.

(Special booby prize for those who think little 'ED' Hussein will NOT go!)

My reading is that Zionists believe in Israel for the Jews (as opposed to others). They believe they are the chosen race and they engange in ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians (who they blame for the trouble). Zionists support the illegal occupation of Palestinian land and try to divert the criticism by blaming Islam.

"My reading is that Zionists believe in Israel for the Jews (as opposed to others). They believe they are the chosen race and they engange in ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians (who they blame for the trouble). Zionists support the illegal occupation of Palestinian land and try to divert the criticism by blaming Islam."

But where does your reading come from? Have you ever read a neutral definition of it in a dictionary of political philosophy, or is it something you've picked up along the way? Don't you have a duty to find out about it?

If Israel is nothing but Zionists and they believe in Israel only for the Jews how come so many other peoples live there - Christians, Muslims etc? how come they vote and have MPs. this 'chosen people' stuff is also a myth. God 'chose' the Jews to reveal his laws. That's it. Don't other religions believe that only they know the real truth?
I don't agree with the settler movement or the annexation of Palestinian Authority land, either. It's wrong. Sometimes here it seems that 'Zionist' is used to mean 'Jew'. And no one even seems to know what it is.

Oh dear Olson aren't you aware that Israel isn't a country where Muslims, Jews and Christians live happily side by side.

The Zionist believe they are the "chosen people" and therefore kill Muslims and Christians with divine approval. Hence the trouble.

No matter how hard you try to cover up the truth Olson you can never stop it coming out.

"The Zionist believe they are the "chosen people" and therefore kill Muslims and Christians with divine approval. Hence the trouble."

Oh dear Taz, you only seem to have been reading those nasty little pamphlets they sell in those bookshops we see in C4 documentaries.

An “Anti-jihad” person does not mean s/he is anti-Muslim, but, what jihadisits aren’t Muslim? I see it this way: Muslims who do not condem the murderous orgy of the bloodthirsty global jihadist movement (read: totalitarian, Sharia, Islamofascist, by-the-sword subjugation of ALL non-muslims, with its perks of booty, rape, good ol’ entertainment such as hangings, beheadings and dismemberment, not to mention eternal thank yous from Allah) are jihadies. They’re a silent majority. It’s “stealth jihad”, it’s collusion. Someone might take issue with such a characterization, submitting that many Muslims are simply afraid to speak out, a “blasphemy” in Sharia worthy of punishment as severe as death. But numbers speak, and if enough of them (a few dozen million would probably be at least helpful) organized in political protest against the universal Islamofascist pogrom, perhaps Islam -a new Islam, that is, which really nobody has any illusions about evolving any time soon-, would start earning some respect and moral support. Don’t hold your breath. It ain’t gonna happen. What is more likely, if the infidel world doesn’t get its act together sooner rather than later, Muslims, those in your communities, once they have the demographics in their favor, will begin showing their supremicist, ruthless and merciless colors. Ok, so I’m anti-Muslim. You will eventually be, too. It’s not a hate thing (not yet, anyway). It’s fear. Muslims, whether by they’re violent actions, or they’re silent support for same, tell you and I they will kill us if we do not submit to their ways. You’re going to have some kind of anti feeling about that, aren’t you? Keep in mind: Islam is Muslim, Muslim is Islam. What is Islam? It’s evil. It’s THE enemy. The enemy of humanity, civilization, of life itself.