| Right Wing Think Tank Blasts MPACUK as “Repugnant” |
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| Thursday, 04 September 2008 | |
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When I found out that a certain Mr. Douglas Murray, Director for the Right Wing think tank, Centre for Social Cohesion was to appear on the show I thought I would definitely give it a listen. In today's era of hi-tech wizardry, I managed to download the audiocast and stick it onto my mp3 player whilst at work (hopefully the bosses weren't watching my desk!) to listen to on the drive home. Once Mr. Murray had completed his usual self promotion he was asked to play a little game of word association called "Hate Them or Rate Them", wherein the presenter of the show will give you a name and you either rate 'em or hate 'em....genius! After reeling of a few names of Muslim UK based organisations, up came the turn of MPACUK, as I held my breath Mr. Murray boldly said "Repugnant". I repeated loudly to myself as I almost swerved across my motorway lane. Quickly gaining my compure, and fiddling around with my mp3 player, I rewound the audiocast to hear it again. Repugnant! Wow... my hearing was working just fine. But “Repugnant”….the words Pot, Kettle and Black sprung to mind. Now I have seen Mr. Murray on many a political TV programme and for all his denials of being a right wing neo conservative, his group the Centre for Social Cohesion is part of CIVITAS which, wait for it, is a right wing think tank! Another denial Mr. Murray made was that he isn't a neo-con. All fair and well, but lest we remind you that Mr. Murray has written a book titled "Neo-Conservatism & Why We Need It". Is this Mr. Murray being somewhat disingenuous or is he adopting means of skull duggery? I’ll let you be the judge of that. Just like Lord Voldemort residing in his tower of power, the people who run these think tanks, sitting in their ivory towers are so out of tune with what is happening on the ground that the matter would be truly laughable if the situation were not so serious. It’s pretty obvious that if you are doing something right, then those in positions of power and influence are not going to be happy with you if you are challenging their authority. Mr. Murray was more than happy with the "Muslim" turncoat, apologist, government backed stooges, whom he found to be "Admirable", but was far more scathing in his words for us. Well, you can throw a strop, you can even throw your toys out of the pram, you can label us as being "Repugnant" and a whole lot worse, but you will not stop us in our mission to wake the Muslims up from their slumber. These are not just words, we are not a faceless website, but we are backing up everything we say with action. While some may think that all Ramadan means is to go hungry during the day, and eat during the night, we are giving up our time, our energies, our efforts, our time with our families, everything you hold as dear to you as we do, to present you with simple yet ground breaking open days. Will you take time out this Ramadan? Give us a couple of hours of your time this Saturday, learn a little and break bread with us. MPACUK and Lewisham Islamic Centre Present:
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Olson:
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repugnant?
Perhaps he's been reading the comments and the forum on this website. It's easy to see how someone could arrive at that conclusion. It's all the zio-scum-pig-nazi stuff which screams itself from every other post. Seriously chaps, you ain't doing much to further whatever causes you have espoused. Even solely on pragmatic grounds it would be better to delete some of them. It dicredits whatever good work you do.
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2008-09-04 11:16:08
zionism is racism:
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repugnant? — OlsonPerhaps he's been reading the comments and the forum on this website. It's easy to see how someone could arrive at that conclusion. It's all the zio-scum-pig-nazi stuff which screams itself from every other post. Seriously chaps, you ain't doing much to further whatever causes you have espoused. Even solely on pragmatic grounds it would be better to delete some of them. It dicredits whatever good work you do. Attacking racism is no bad thing, deleting comments that attack racism would make mpac a racist organisation. Your pro israel, so i can understand why you might be offended, however for those who suffer its racist humiliation every day - these words are not strong enough.
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2008-09-04 11:36:26
zayba:
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repugnant? thats rich coming from someone who wants to 'makes life harder across the board harder for Muslims in Europe' and has a deportation plan of action for any European Muslims taht dare to disagree with his beocon agenda.
Olson those that comment like yourself on the forum and this comments sections are not mpacers or the offcial views of mpacuk dont you know that?
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2008-09-04 11:37:57
zayba:
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sorry about typos, baby was climing all over me and pc.
quote from a Murray speech: "Conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe—after all—no special dues to Islam. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs. There is not an inch of ground to give on this one. Where a mosque has become a centre of hate it should be closed and pulled down. If that means that some Muslims don’t have a mosque to go to, then they’ll just have to realise that they aren’t owed one."
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2008-09-04 12:10:56
Olson:
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zayba/ZiR
I realise that the views expressed here are not those of MPAC. However, as these posts and forum can be moderated a passerby could easily come to the conclusion that MPAC's agenda is to air 'repugnant' views. After all, the website is someone's first point of call when looking for info. Zayba: if this guy has siad what you claim then he is obviously repugnant himself. There is no need to join him. One must rise above such attitudes and language. ZiR: I support Israel's right to exist and the Jews' right to national self-determination. Is that Zionism in your book? Leaving aside the emotion - do you know what Zionism is? Have you ever read an impartial (ie.dispassionate, unbiased) definition of it? If you deny the Jews' a right to national self-determination you in effect deny them the right of a religious/cultural/ethnic ifdentity. Do you think Israel has the right to exist (67 borders). Does supporting Israels' right to exist (67 borders) make one a zio-nazi etc etc?
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2008-09-04 12:17:48
Light upon Light:
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There is no need to join him. One must rise above such attitudes and language. — OlsonZiR: I support Israel's right to exist and the Jews' right to national self-determination. Is that Zionism in your book? Leaving aside the emotion - do you know what Zionism is? Have you ever read an impartial (ie.dispassionate, unbiased) definition of it? If you deny the Jews' a right to national self-determination you in effect deny them the right of a religious/cultural/ethnic ifdentity. Do you think Israel has the right to exist (67 borders). Does supporting Israels' right to exist (67 borders) make one a zio-nazi etc etc? I agree CSC is repugnant, gotta a problem with that?
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2008-09-04 12:25:40
Zayba:
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Olson arent you agreeing with the man you just called repugnant, and why are you so against mpac allowing freedom of comment? If looking for info people should rely on the actual comments written by mpac there are plenty of them. The Jews already have already realised there right to self-determination i am more concerned with the fact they are denying the same right to Palestianians.
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2008-09-04 12:32:06
Olson:
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zayba - If he said those things then I am not agreeing with him, far from it. yes, you are right - the Jews have already realised their right to national self-determination. You are right also that it is now the turn of the Palestinians. You are right, too (I presume) that the one cannot be at the expense of the other.
You bring up freedom of comment. Fair enough - but as you are well aware it is a thorny issue. The right to free speech or the right to offend? The Danish cartoons? It is a two-edged sword. You're right that a casual visitor here should look at the MPAC articles. For myself, i have my own views on them generally. I must say, however, that compared to 1-2 years ago (when I used to look at this site more often - without commenting, I hasten to add) MPAC articles are less 'repugnant' than they once were. Light: I m not in the least bit 'worked up'. I have no reason to be, despite the abuse I have received from other posters (Dear Zio Pig etc etc). May I ask you something: Does Israel have the right to exist (67 borders)? Is someone who thinks it does a zi-pig etc etc?
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2008-09-04 13:07:46
Light upon Light:
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67 borders? You're having a laugh.
Palestinians are loosing their (67 borders) land every single day. more than 42% of the West Bank is illegally occupied by Israelis. Where is the condemnation of that?
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2008-09-04 13:52:00
Olson:
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I will condemn it. Does israel have the right to exist (67/agreed borders), and does believing so make one a zio-pig? And should Jews be allowed to live in a future Palestinian state as Palestinian Jews?
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2008-09-04 14:03:56
wendy mann:
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repugnant? — OlsonPerhaps he's been reading the comments and the forum on this website. It's easy to see how someone could arrive at that conclusion. It's all the zio-scum-pig-nazi stuff which screams itself from every other post. Seriously chaps, you ain't doing much to further whatever causes you have espoused. Even solely on pragmatic grounds it would be better to delete some of them. It dicredits whatever good work you do. never see or hear any of these people speak about the truly repugnant little green footballs and affiliated websites. lets face facts google and you will find many repugnant pro zionist and i have to say racist forums and websites that pass as mainstream just like the think tanks such as policy exchange / civitas , why because the debate has been taken so far to the extreme by neo conservatives that they no longer recognise civility, respect and balance.
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2008-09-04 15:00:11
Olson:
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wendy
i have indeed seen the lgf and jihadwatch comments' sections. I find them equally repugnant.
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2008-09-04 15:19:49
hamid jones:
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I will condemn it. Does israel have the right to exist (67/agreed borders), and does believing so make one a zio-pig? And should Jews be allowed to live in a future Palestinian state as Palestinian Jews? — OlsonI agree Israel does have a right to exist, in Germany.
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2008-09-05 09:23:50
George Carty:
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Olson, presumably because the Germans perpetrated the Holocaust (and thus should be punished by having land confiscated for a Jewish state)...
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2008-09-06 12:28:17
Olson:
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George Carty
Why do you think he stopped there? he could have traced the massacres and expulsions back in time all the way from Russia, Spain, England, Arabia (the Bani Israel)back to...the Roman days.
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2008-09-06 14:31:21
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