TEACH YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO LIVE IN PEACE AS EQUALS WITH NON MUSLIMS ON AN INDEFINITE BASES AND NOT TO TRY TO IMPOSE ANY TYPE OF LAW OTHER THAT THAT OF THE LAND EVEN BY PEACE FULL MEANS.

We need more of our University students to attend these meetings.

I attended a MPAC media event earlier in the year and it was very professional, as good as any that one could expect.

Britain is such a rascist place!!We cant practice our faith!! The police are always arresting us for terrorist offences and then make us plead guilty!!If you want to see bigotry move to gaza,,egypt,,indonesia,,iran,,malaysia or saudi and be a minority..Also why are britons not 'hellbent' on destroying other religions in the UK?? PS im not a zionist or a neocon i just dont like intolerant religions like judiasm and islam that preach supremecy over everyone..

A paragraph in the above article said: 'If you care you better do something too. If you are waiting for your enemy to have a moral dilemma and stop his attacks against you, then you'll be waiting for a long time.'

Can I ask a question? Who is the 'enemy'. It is not made clear. If the writer means the mentalists who are constantly trying to murder citizens of this country, I totally agree. If the writer is trying to portray non-muslims (me) as the enemy, well you can guess what I think about that. Who or what is the enemy?

AA

Challenge them, go head to head with those who make your life diffcult. utilise intellect, technological mediums, politics to break those sterotypes.

Use the tools they use, "tooth for tooth, eye for eye". We muslims are the undergoes and being painted by the same brush. We need to collectively address the Media. We need to collectively exhert influence on British Politics.

We need to become a highly powerful, resourceful, intellectual community. We need organisations that will produce ethical leaders.

We need to expose ourselves in all positive aspects of the media. Especially in Sports, technology, academia.

We are the best amongst all nations.

your the enemy you zion pig! - how long have you been coming to the website and you still have not worked it out.

I know pigs take a long time to think things through but you take the biscuit!

i think we all need to be careful. we forget the true meaning of Islam and the practices of the prophet (saw) i have read the above comments and it saddens me that as muslims we cannot act in a good way

why is it we resort to crude language and behavior, which can only anger the non muslims??

i think any talk or gathering in which we talk logically about how to deal with racism or discrimination in britain can only be good if it is dealt with in a civilised way

so brothers and sisters we should be allying with this idea of this gathering and showing the rest of the world that we can find peaceful alternatives to deal with our problems which in itself will be dawah.

(and take it from someone who knows because only 2 years ago i was a non believer and when i saw what muslims could be and what islam truley meant then i converted) and i think the same message should be shared around and hopefully inshAllah it will result in less discrimination and demonisation and more understanding and tolerance

and that can only make a better more comfortable world

Thank you for your eloquence. A wonderful and far sighted observation. I can now see and understand what the UK is up against, and coming here to this site, although not religious in any way thought I could engage in talking about subjects that may make both parties feel a little uncomfortable but do so in a mature and friendly manner. You my friend need therapy.

Eid mubarak to one and all.

Whilst I agree that in many sections of the media Muslims are indeed vilified, I think it is a gross exaggeration to say what you have done in this article/advert for a meeting. Isn't it intended to whip up supporters for 'the cause' and a sense of victimhood. It would seem that every attack (whether physical or in the media) on Islam/Muslims would serve your purposes well. Also, as a passer-by to this site, some of the comments do nothing to present Islam in the light you would wish to see it. There are some pretty unpleasant comments attached to your articles which only serve to create that false impression of politically-active Muslims as ranting and hate-filled. Honestly guys, it's spewing forth in nearly every post. Not moderate at all. Anyway...just thoughts.

I realise that this isn't a discussion thread, but I should like to commend Shaima for her reasoned approach. All the 'zionist pig/scum' stuff and ESPECIALLY 'we are the best amongtst nations' is deeply unpleasant ans the second comment supremacist. They merely serve to further the demonisation and do the 'cause' of defending Muslim civil liberties no good at all. MPACUK - can't you have a quiet word with some of these posters to tone down their language? If the comments on this site are indicative of politically-active Islam then it is no wonder that non-Muslims look on with fear.

If your racist views are anything to go by, it makes us all uncomfortable. A freind of a racist is no friend of mine.

So take your Mossad views and post somewhere else, you facist!

When I submit a comment, you tell me that MPAC will moderate before agreeing to publish it. Judging by the language in some of the mails you permit, I shudder to think what the disallowed ones sound like. There's a great picture doing the rounds of the internet of someone who turns up on street demos it seems from Cairo to Karachi - called something like the 'Angry Muslim'. Does he work for you?

Racist, Mossad, Facist. Three accusations that have no basis in fact. Concrete examples please? If you can provide them I will post somewhere else. You cannot. MPAC moderator. You happy with this?

oh stop uncle tomming and either help out or go join the Zio scum.

To Bush:

Do you really think that all the abusive pig-scum-zion stuff is an apporpriate way to seek to further the protection of Muslim civil liberties, to participate in the demoratic process and to engage in non-violent JIhad (as MPAC purports to do in its mssion statement)?? Are the views expressed in these comments sections andon the discussion forum indicative of Muslim political activity? If so, the language is very violent. Do you expect to be included in the political process with such language?

are you stupid? this is a website not parliament! and secondly I note you have not said anything about the racist zio pigs on this site but instead complain about those who oppose them.

If mpac is recruiting members like you these days i dont hold out much hope for them. Soon you will have them having tea parties with the Zionist racists.

Are you suffering an inferiority complex?

To bush

This is a public space. It is the website of an organisation which strives to represent Muslims in a democratic country by encouraging wider political participation and activism of a peaceful sort. Some of the comments here and on the discussion forum don't seem to fit the bill exactly. I only hope that the comments here are not indicative, that's all. The type of violent abuse in some posts (and yours - scum-pig) would suggest that you and anyone who uses such language are not quite ready yet.
Inferiority complex? In front of whom? Those who use such language - never!

How strange that you use the word 'violent language' - do you see muslims as 'violent' ..

even you language ends up racist ... slowly you reveal your mind to the rest of us ...

Who are you to tell which Muslim an enter the democractic process and what he or she can say.

Those who oppose freedom of speech and try to curtail them are far worse then those they condemn. You sound forigve me for saying this, like a polite muslim extremist

Journalist wrote:
"I'm sick of being treated worse than dogs. "

Reply:

Its important to acknowledge your host culture.
Dogs are not treated badly in the UK so this is
a bad choice of phrase.

ps - Diogenes of Sinope was a world expert on dogs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

No Bush, MPACUK's own mission is to help people fight a political and non-violent jihad. If the language is violent (scum, pig etc) then in a public space am I not allowed to question it? Do you really think you further the aims of MPACUK by foaming at the mouth (which is what absive language amounts to)? The non-Muslim view of Muslim political activism at the moment, rightly or wrongly, is not a good one - something which MPACUK is trying to combat. 'Zio-nazi-pig-scum' just confirms to a non-Mulsim the impressions they get from the media. Either a person who thinks it's acceptable to use that language (racist and fascistic in nature) needs to re-think their ideas, or they need to cover it a bit better. Even the sometimes slick spokesmen of HT mask their spleen better.

I agree with you there Colin. As a muslim, I am appalled at the response 'tony blair' gave. I will be very surprised if he/she is a muslim,or at least a practicing one.

This type of wording does not befit a muslim.

To be honest you sound more and more like A zionist pretending to be a muslim.

You seem to have an issue with people whp attack zionism - attack muslim groups with terms like 'sick' and call attacks on zionism 'violent'.

You seem to want to silence other members of the public from speaking out against zionism, and one can only wonder as to why.

Your words are in fact all directed at attacking muslims, having never said anything against zionism in this whole thread.

I for one have no objection to people calling racists - scum. If you do I suggest you admit your one of them.

Can you clarify your postion on Zionism please - are you for or against it?

Olson - are you saying attacking Zionism is racist? You seem to be worryingly confused?

your as muslim as my dead athiest israel loving monkey. Poor thing never did convert.

Chaps, I haven't pretended to be a Muslim anywhere. I started off by seeing Eid Mubarak - which is obvioulsy incorrect. As I have been kindly asked what my view of Zionism, I will answer: I believe it was a Jewish movement to establish, or re-establish a Jewish nation in Palestine (as was), so as to resurrect the Zion of the Jewish kings and prophets. The movement is characterised by by nationalist aspirations, based on a religion, law, custom and language which have survived without jurisdiction and without the territory over which it could be exercised. Zionism was founded in modersn times by Theodore Herzl at the World Zionist Conference in 1897, and became a political reality with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Zionism stands for the aspiration of Jews everywhere to gain the territory with which to complete the legal and political identity of the Jewish state. Its claims to the particular territory of Israel are founded in an idea of the unbroken connection of the Jews with the 'Land of Israel' through which an image of national identity has persisted throughout the diaspora. In addition its claims to a territory are founded on the absolute need for Jews to combine as a state, and no longer to seek to survive merely as a loosely joined international society. It is this absence of a state, Zionists often claim, that led to the holocaust.

Jews are a people too. If they feel the need for a secure corner of the world in which to feel secure and free form the historical persucutions they suffered - then it's very hard for me, as a non-Jew, to tell someone differently. Sure , there have been problems with the realisation of those national aspirations for statehood, but they need to be resolved in a sane manner. Denying the Jews a right to national self-determination (having their own state) in effect denies Jews the right to an existence as a cultural, religious, ethnic group.

some of the comments here are disgusting..no wonder people dont trust muslims in this country as some muslims really think they are supreme beings and the rest of the country are scum..islam and zionism are the same..both want to dominate and control

One question if I may:

When you talk about zio-nazi-pig-scum, to whom are you referring? It's a bit vague as a description. Does it mean Israelis? Jews? Only some Israelis, some Jews?
Many thanks

m:
"islam and zionism are the same..both want to dominate and control"

The real voice of the BNP.

Right - and your not Jewish ... my friend you’re as goyim as Ariel Sharon! I read the whole thread with interest as people started to doubt who you were, you did well and even had me fooled as I thought you were a non Jewish impartial observer, but the more the clever chaps who post here pushed the more your position seemed to have given way to open hostility to Muslims.
I don’t think its credible for you to carry on posting as an impartial observer – you are certainly to my mind at least as impartial as the Israeli Defense Force.

I mean you - Hope that clarifies the position somewhat. If not feel free to drop me another note.

Kind Regards

George

Thanks Bush, but that hasn't really cleared it up for me. Just to make sure: is a zio-pig-scum-nazi (sorry, I can't rememebr the right order) someone who thinks Israel (67 borders) has the right to exist? If so, there must be a lot of zio-pig-etc-etc in the world!!
PS what did you think of the dictionary definition of Zionism? Why does it inspre such anger in you and others - it looks like a simple enough political-cultural ideology to me.


Ridder: I have not shown any hostility to Muslims. What was it that makes you think that. Was it when I said: 'Jews are people too'?

Cheerio.

Dear Zio Pig

There are far more people in the world who hate Israel's racism then those who support it.

As for Your boring attempt at covering your Islamaphobia by charges of anti semitism only proves that you are as Jewish as your Israeli Defence Force friends.

Which part of your a Zio pig dont you get. A zio nazi pig (get the order correct) is somone who believes that Jews can go to israel and steal land off those who are not jewish. Makes sense you facist pig?

George:
"Which part of your a Zio pig dont you get. A zio nazi pig (get the order correct) is somone who believes that Jews can go to israel and steal land off those who are not jewish. Makes sense you facist pig?"

I think I'm getting it. You mean some one who goes to the West Bank (a religious settler, for example) - someone who basically steals land in the Palestinian Authority? But you called me one of those things and I haven't done that.

Another thing, if I may, are Jews not allowed to live in Palestinian areas (Gaza and West Bank). When the Palestinians achieve statehood in the West Bank and Gaza will Jews not be allowed to live there as Palestinian Jews?