Every UK citizen should be concerned by America's hypocrisy on the world stage..The UK has been America's unsinkable aircraft carrier since WW2 and things are only going to get worse the 'war on terror' is just another way for the political elite of the world to rape countries of their resources and bomb the crap out of them if they dont agree..Also America doesnt discriminate,,they will bomb the crap out of a christian country if needs be..This isnt about religion its about control

M

No its not about religion or control .Its about a nations right to respond to a monumental crime against its citizens . This response takes the form of searching out and destroying those elements directly and indirectly responsible .For those of you that think the US should have merely taken it on the chin and forgive and forget , I really wonder what cloud you are on.

So exactly what crime did Afghanistan or Iraq commit to deserve having over a million of its civilians killed?

And before you reply Afghanistan was harbouring terrorists - just remember who funded and back those terrorists and how the Taliban govt. offered to give up Osama Bin Laden.

Harvey, surely your argument then gives the Palestinians the 'right to respond' in any manner or form the people who are 'directly responsible for the monumental crime' against their nation. ie the Israelis. It also gives them the right to attack any nation 'indirectly responsible', which would include USA and UK. Or does the right to respond only belong to Western nations, and definetly not with Muslims? The racism and double standards shown by some of the scum on this site is astounding. I wonder 'what cloud you are' on when you think a Christian nation like America should not turn the other cheek, yet you expect Muslim Palestinians to take it on thr chin.

Harvey..I said it wasnt about religion..You need to read up about US foreign policy post WWII and you will see the control aspect the US has tried to push on the world..After 9/11 the world felt sympathy for the US and rightly so,,but invading two countries and spending billions of $$ and what has changed?? You bomb the crap out of them, then they bomb the crap out of you, when do you know you've won?? How do you define a win in the 'war on terror'?? When there is no one left who doesnt share your views seems the only answer, and that my friend scares the s*** out of me!

m

I would be genuinely interested in what you consider the appropriate US response following 9/11

Harvey since iraq had nothing to do with 911,yet it was attacked-invaded and millions have been slaughtered-raped-sodomised-tortured-maimed or made refugees,does that mean iraqis have the right to do the same to americans-british and other occupeirs.
I shall not go into crimes committed since world war two by america against nations who never attacked america.
BTW the majority of americans beleive bush and cheney had a hand in 911,so were do you start the slaughter from.
The WAR OF TERROR shall leave future generations to face the consequences of slaughtering humanity.

I note that Bin Laden warmly applauds Blum's work. No doubt if they were still around so would Hitler and Stalin. Does he have any decent-minded admirers?

Shan

I hear what you say about Irak .The reasons given for invasion were built on false intelligence and dubious motives. There can be no equivocation on that point. However the byproduct of the invasion was the removal of a cruel tyrant who had brutalised the people of Irak over 25 years . There would have been no war with Iran , no gassing of Kurd villages in the North . How many thousands died we will perhaps never know. Yes I agree it was not Americas place to interfere but then one must question why the combined will of the Arab nations did not intervene and bring this despot to heel.

It is indeed a tragedy that what should have been the end of a tyranny instead resulted in the senseless outbreak of sectarian violence and bloodshed instead of the steady progression towards a free, prosperous and peaceful society.I pray that this will eventually come to the people of Irak.

As for your assertion that the majority of Americans believe it was Bush and Cheney who were behind 9/11 ,perhaps you might wish to substantiate that statement.

I wonder how many people on this site subscribe to this Conspiracy theory .

I personally believe that one of the most important things we do with our lives is to try our best to reject lies and deception even though we may have to face up to unpalatable truths by so doing.

Finally I would ask what the US response should have been to 9/11

Harvey,

The US response following 911, should have been to bomb Isreal. Withdraw all yearly $60 Billion Israel gets from US tax payers.

They should have arrested all those involved in AIPAC, and also those neo conservative zionists in the US senate.

By doing this, they would never be attcaked again, and the world would be a safer place... SIMPLE.

So harvey this what it comes down to then,saddam was a cruel tyrant if that is the yard stick then there are many cruel tyrants in the world supported financed and armed by amerca and her allies,so using that logic should america and her allies be attacked and invaded.
saddam was a american stooge who attacked iran at the behest of america and her allies,he was supported by america and her allies with money and arms as he was fighting the mad mullahs in iran we were told ,so using your logic should america and her allies be attacked and invaded for arming saddam.
In saddams 35 years of rule around 50,000 died in uprisings against his rule and 600,000 died in the iran war,yet in 5 years of american occupation more than a million have been killed,around 1.5 million iraqis died due to american attacks and seige,so who are the cruel tyrants can be clearly seen.
In a survey carried out last year in america 55% people thought Bush and cheney had a hand in 911.

Thats a tough one Harvey..And to be quite honest with you i dont know what the response should have been..They brought about the end of the taliban after 9/11 which i suppose was no bad thing but i also think Pres Bush had an agenda from the get-go..Americas unfaltering support for Israel gets up alot of peoples noses especially as Mossad agents have been caught spying in the US..I respectfully disagree with Shamsur about bombing Israel but the US are needing to rethink their policy towards Israel as it does seem the thing that pisses muslims and non muslims,,like me,,off the most..

The response should have been the same one that britain used for 30 years of i.r.a violence.
when wanted i.r.a people went to america we did not bomb america we tried to go for extradition based on evdience yet were still denied extradition.
we knew the i.r.a was getting funds and weapons from america but we never attacked america.

Shamsur at al - As a an experiment I would love to be able to suspend Israel in another dimension for say say five years, and then sit back and watch the pathetic efforts of Al Fattah, Hamas and Hizbollah, not to mention the other anti-Zionist Arab neighbouring states to create even a pale shadow of the modern, democratic society that Israel created.

But why dream? Of course, none of them got anywhere near that before Israel even existed.

For the PEOPLE - not the government - to freely and without hindrance ASCERTAIN WHO DID IT then put the culprits to TRIAL in a court of law.

Colin....

He He He He Ha Ha he and heeeee

Israel a democratic state? do me a favour watch more episodes of family guy....

Israel is a racist state. Its ideology Zionism is built on racism and nothing else. It is an aparthied state which does not tolerate any rights other than those who are JEWS.

Jews do not have a home land, they never did. You have fabricated a homeland myth and denied people, the rightful people of that country namely palestinians their home.

But as you think the democratic Israel is all so good, understand this Colin (employee of the month for BODBJ) all goods things come to an end...

And it shall very soon, he he he

Shamsur - I'm not privy to your chrystal ball service which tells you when good things like Israel come to an end, but if that happens, 'very soon' as you predict, I will still have the pleasure of watching the utterly pathetic efforts of Al Fattah, Hamas and Hizbollah, not to mention the other anti-Zionist Arab neighbouring states, to create even a pale shadow of the democratic society that Israel was. Any chance that your yourself will be involved, even though not an employee of BODBJ, whatever that is?

Never read so much rubbish in my life! The war was launched on the basis of so called intelligence. With this the US claimed the Iraq had connections with Al-Qaida and WMD... This intelligence came as a result of the torture of one 'high value' detainess at a secret prison. We all know how that intelligence was false, and when you torture people, they'll say anything.

As for removing the tyrant - that was never the aim so don't try and justify it! Iraq has never seen so much violence which has only come as a result of the war - which we all know was for economic reasons. And who backed Saddam Hussien all that time anyway?!!! Who gave him his weapons???

Shamsur
I am very sorry to disagree with you but the historical facts tell us very differently. Israel was the traditional Jewish homeland, long before Islam as a religion, came about. It is even mentioned in the Quran as I am sure you know.

The Palestinians are the remnants of the Arabs who poured out of Arabia to conquer the M.E. and Mediterranean lands in the mid 7th century. Those lands were Jewish, Christian, Zoroastrian,animist etc. NOT Islamic. And then you lost them (to the Brits)when you joined the Ottoman Empire in the first world war on the side of the Germans. I find it so hard to understand why people like you pontificate on subjects which you are obviously uneducated about -whatever the wrongs or rights, always be sure to know your facts - it helps when putting your argument forward.

If you consider Israel a racist state, what would you call Saudi Arabia?

Colin says ''… the modern, democratic society that Israel created''

You mean an Israel whose major export is arms.

An Israel whose policy is to bomb and lay waste to surrounding Arab countries.

An Israel that has allowed its Palestinian neighbours to fester for 60 years in almost concentration camp conditions.

And an Israel that tortures its victims just as Jesus was tortured and put on the Cross so many years ago.

The response should have been simple - bomb israel and then apply sanctions to it. since 911 was carried out according to Bin laden after he saw Israeli jets do exactly that in lebanon.

After which they might also want to get out of muslim countires and let us have real democratic elections.

Just a thought....