Interesting how you guys say Israel is illegitimate, and yet you applaud the illegal birth of a solely Muslim country manufactured in exactly the same way. Total double standards.

Pakistan's own flag represents the fact that it isn't a solely Muslim country.

The green represents the Muslim population, while the white represents the non-Muslim population.

How is that the same as apartheid Israel and its policy of ethnic cleansing of its non-Jewish inhabitants?

Pakistan is a nation best described as a work in progress.
The coconuts left after the british occupeirs left have carried on licking their boots.
What pakistan needs is 20 years of honest leaderhship that will work for the benefit of pakistani people not for the benefit of america.
The last 60 years pakistan has been fighting americas battles but has been shafted everytime,the restoration of the judiciary and trial of mushraf are a need of the hour.
Pakistanis are feeling ashamed that they have such lowlife leaders that have sold their own men and women to america.

can i say congratulations to my Bengali brothers aswell, whose independence happened on this day aswell.

Seamus spouting nonesense. Pakistan was not illegal. There is a massive difference between Pakistan and Israel. For one, Muslims never stole land and bulldozed homes, nor did they treat non-Muslims as second class citizens. And nor are they invading other countries and creating inhumane checkpoints to harass non-Muslims.

The existence of Pakistan is in harmony with UN laws, as for Israel, it has a long list of defying UN conventions because of its sheer illegality.

Why are Muslims celebrating one of the darkest chapters in the history of the Ummah? Around 100 years ago the enemies of Allah schemed to carve up the Muslim world into smaller statelets. They suceeded because we had let go of 'the rope of Allah', and had succumbed to the false/baatil ideologies of nationalism, communism, western liberalism etc. One thing is accepting that for the time being these artificially created nation states are probably here to stay; another thing is to actually celebrate it.

Seamus is right. Pakistan is another Muslim country in a world where there already too many. Pakistan is a hotbed of Muslim narrowmindedness and extremism.

Assalaam alaikum and Greetings

I'm sure my comnents will provoke criticism, but I have a few things to say about Celebrating Pakistan's Independence day, in the manner it is done today.

This is due to a legitmate concern rather than an outright putdown.

As a Pakistani by birth, but bought up primarily in the UK, I sometimes wonder why 'we' (Pakistanis) celebrate Pakistan's Independence day. Year on Year.

If I look at how Muslims are treated in India, by the Hindu Majority (especially in villages) then I am pleased that Pakistan exists. A Muslim Country for predominantly Muslims, where Muslims such as my extended family feel safe (or safer).

BUT, when I consider the state of Pakistan itself, and the conduct of the majority of Pakistanis themselves, I have to ask the hard question : Exactly what are we celebrating ?

Are we celebrating :

Year on year corruption ?

Year on year of brothers killing their own brothers over land, property and money issues ?

Year on Year abuse and incompetance of the Police, the Governments, and the Institutes.

Year on year mistreatment of Women under the guise of 'honor killing' (karo kari), or marriage to the Quran, where women can't go out safetly at night for fear of being abducted/raped.

Year on year poverty of the masses.
Year on year illiteracy.
Year on year drug issues.
Year on year unruly villages and customs.

Exactly what has the Pakistani Polulation Achieved for their Country (Pakistan) over the last 61 years that make People Celebrate "Independence Day" in the manner it is today.

It is all very well (and hypocritical) with Pakistanis sitting here in the UK and aboard and saying "Pakistan Zinda-baad" (Long live Pakistan) when one has 'escaped' Pakistan for a better life abroad as they can't find it back home, and (especially) when one has done nothing to make Pakistan a better place.

Some may say that I am not Patriotic to understand and Celebrate Pakistan Independence Day, but my family (parents and cousins who lived virtually all their lives in Pakistan), and myself often ask the question : Exactly what are we celebrating.

Surely, if the Country was as good as we say it is, then we would be there living within it. But, we are abroad.

If we had achieved something over the last year, then we do have cause for celebrations.

But if we have achieved nothing then Independance day to my mind seems just an excuse for the (filthy) rich, the corrupt, the liar, the cheat, the strong in power, to celebrate Independence day via lavish meals, gun firing, mixing with women on roof tops, and other unIslamic conduct to show the other person "look at me...and how much I am spending my money...for the sake of Pakistan".

The only winners in Celebrating Pakistan's Independence day are the poor shop-keepers who sell flags, food, and the Electricity companies, etc.

To the ordinary poor person (the masses in Pakistan, in fact) there is no celebration. He/she is wondering how he is going to feed his starving family on "Independence Day".

Not much of a celebration of Independence day for him/her is it?

This is what we should be looking at before we celebrate. We are Muslims supposed to care for the needy. Not behave like America or other established Countries in annual celebrations while many are near dying, or oppressed.

When we have sorted out Pakistans problems, have made the country a better place, only then should we celebrate it;s independence. Otherwise, it is an extreme waste.

Lets get our priorities correct.

Wasalaams

"Pakistan's own flag represents the fact that it isn't a solely Muslim country."

Solely Muslim or not it does show that minorities are a separate (read lower rate second class citizens) from Muslims. This degraded status is also entrenched in the current constitution of Pakistan. Fact is problem starts as soon as you start defining people in separate terms; starting form flag all the way to the constitution and law. Why can’t all citizens be considered equal in state’s eye regardless of their beliefs?

A number of important differences between Israel and Pakistan:

1. Muslim in India, offered equality in a democratic state, turned it down for a state of their own. Jews in Palestine were offered not offered equality in a democratic state but annihiliation by the Arabs.

2. The Partition in the Sub Continent was a British devised plan, accepted by both sides, albeit with reservation. The Partition is Palestine was proposed by the UN, accepted by one side (the Jews) and rejected by the other (the Arabs, hence there was a war.

4. In the subcontinent, in the lead up to partition and in its wake, hundreds of thousands were killed, on both sides, and millions displaced, on both sides. In Palestines thousands were killed on both sides and hundreds of thousands displaced (inluding Jews kicked out of Arab lands). In other words, the humanitarian disaster in the Middle East was on a tiny scale compared with that in the subcontinent.

5. After Partition in the Subcontinent, (West) Pakistan had more or less cleansed all its non-Mulsims. Millions of Muslim however remained in India. In Palestine every Jew was cleansed from Arab held territory after the cease fire, hundreds of thousdands of Muslims and Christians remained in the Jewish state.

6. Muslims integrated into Pakistan, Hindu refugees into India. The same is true of Jews forced to flee the historic quarter of Jerusalem or Baghdad. Only the Palestinians were kept in refugee camps and are still talking about the 'right to return' sixty years later.

As for Bangladesh and the genocide the Pakistanis attempted to commit there, least said soonest mended, since real genocides are a distraction from the pretend ones.

quote=Light upon Light]Seamus spouting nonesense. Pakistan was not illegal. There is a massive difference between Pakistan and Israel. For one, Muslims never stole land and bulldozed homes, nor did they treat non-Muslims as second class citizens. And nor are they invading other countries and creating inhumane checkpoints to harass non-Muslims.

The existence of Pakistan is in harmony with UN laws, as for Israel, it has a long list of defying UN conventions because of its sheer illegality.[/quote]
LuL is right it is usually muslim countrties that persecute non muslims and stop them building churches and treating them like second class citizens with less rights.. see Iran,Saudi,Malayasia,Indonesia some parts of North Africa..

HAVE A VERY HAPPY PAKISTAN INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Pakistan has made plenty of mistakes, but it has also made great strides for a nation that few believed would last 10 years.
Pakistan has yet to reach prominence and allthough it is hard to sea that now, but Pakistans time of prominence is very close.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN.

Since when was Patriotism something that Islam encouraged?

As for celebrating? All the human rights abuses that occur in this country, the corruption, the poverty - is this something to celebrate? This is what we should be remembering and addressing! But no lets brush it under the carper and ignore the suffering that we muslims inflict on our own and lets just blame the US....

Bangladesh Independence Day is March 26th. Congrats to Pakistania. We really should have a Britain day or something. I've seen how Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis celebrate their day and it is absolutely great. Here we have nothing of the sort.

Lol what a cheek a zionazi calls himself 'english' so muslims will think its a general englishman who thinks in this way. Im sorry - we dont!

Free Palestine!

Edward, I'm a 'general Englishman' and I think the way 'seamus English' does! But maybe that's because I'm a blond-arian Zionist with not a drop of Jewish blood in me and a nazi who's father was very proud of killing nazis in WW11! Maybe a change of religion might help me see straight.

Kind of like Israel is the hotbed of Zionism, a racist political ideology which wants to see Israel as a solely Jewish state by bulldozing the Native population off their land

3% of Pakistan's c.160m population is Not Muslim, that's 4.8million non muslims who call Pakistan their home.

Have you actually been to Pakistan or do you really solely on right wing neo con publications for all your "facts"?

If palestines population was anything but muslim the place would never get mentioned on this site. The only reason any of you care about them is because they are the same religion as you.
Regardless of what israel does it right or wrong or whether israeli soldiers killed someone or didnt. You lot will never ever believe anyone but the muslims side of the story 100% of the time. And before anyone tries to say im a zionist i couldnt give a crap if israel didnt exist.to think palestine dont use propaganfa we you must be living on Pluto.

Yes, I have been to Pakistan. Loved the Badshahi mosque in Lahore - shame the Godwara next door is so neglected.

Also spent some time with Christians in Murree - a community under seige.

Maybe 3% is non Muslim, but in 'ethnically cleansed Nazi Israel'(excluding West Bank and Gaza) 20% is non-Jewish.

markuk the racist and bigot who refuses to condemn the attacks in quenchwell and belper lecture us again.
For your information palestine and kashmir are two nations which have been sold into slavery and oppression by the british slave masters in 1947 and 1948,the british slavemaster took something that did not belong to them and gave it to foreign occupeirs.
The anology between israel and pakistan does not exist,as it was ethnic punjabis-sindhis-pashtoons and balauchis who decided to become part of pakistan,these people had lived in the areas that are pakistan today for more than a millenia,they had not come from outisde and in a few decades kicked the natives out and create a country for themselves.
As for minorites in pakistan they have rights like everyone else and are given reserved seats in parliament.

Assalaam alaikum and Greetings.

There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between the creation of Israel and the creation of Pakistan/India as it stands today.

An analogy will help.

The creation of Pakistan and India (as they stand today) is equivalent to a Muslim and a Hindu Family ALREADY LIVING WITHIN THE SAME HOUSE deciding to relocate rooms WITHIN THAT SAME HOUSE so that they can practice their religion freely.

The point being that they (the Muslims and Hindus) are already the rightful occupiers of that house, before relocation (partition).

The creation of Israel is equivalent to outsiders (squatters) being told to move into a house which does not belong to them (but belongs to the Palestinians), and then declaring that most of the accommodation actually belongs to the recent arrivals rather than the legitimate house owners. To make matters worse, the rightful owners are forcibly told to occupy the attic and the cellar.

The point being that outsiders assume ownership of the house.

Can anyone spot the BIG DIFFERENCE ?
One is relocation. One is forceful occupation and eviction.

Wasalaams