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In case you hadn’t noticed we do what it says on the label. MPACUK is an organisation that promotes and encourages Political advocacy, that is our remit. What don’t you get about that? We have in no way ever suggested that we were perfect muslims!! I am bored and frustrated with this puritanism. Blah blah doesn’t have a beard, blah blah doesn’t wear a hijab, blah blah doesn’t pray, blah blah talks too much. Oh Lord, we deserve our pathetic circumstance. How can you use such a puerile excuse of not being preached to by anyone who doesn’t have a beard, wear a hijab, speak in a tone that suits your disposition. It sounds silly, I cannot fathom how someone would be so bold as to say “I won’t be told my obligations if you don’t say please”. Come on, we should be so much better than this. Where are those who when summoned, answer without hesitation? If it isn’t clear enough, let me say it for the record. Every aspect of Islam is important, by virtue of the fact that it is a decree from our Lord. I would never dare to dismiss what Allah (swt) has ordained with his infinite wisdom. Equally, I will not allow myself to be defeated by narrow minded pettiness and justify my ignorant dormant stance with stubborn arrogance. What holds us together should be stronger than what separates us.           Readers have left 14 comments.
Goalshan:
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Yawn! MPACUK seem to be going over the same ground again. Maybe the media courses taught them that repetitive advertising of a theme eventually gets the message through. I hope for their sake that it does in the end. When? Now that is a completely different question!
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2008-06-28 22:52:41
Experts please:
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Yawn! MPACUK seem to be going over the same ground again. Maybe the media courses taught them that repetitive advertising of a theme eventually gets the message through. I hope for their sake that it does in the end. When? Now that is a completely different question! — GoalshanI'd say people who run the world know a little tiny bit more then you about getting a message out. :)
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2008-06-28 23:56:03
Goalshan:
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APOLOGY: Although I personally haven't touched by MPACUK's methods, who am I to say that it won't have a positive impact on other readers.
MPACUK through the virtue of this and other forums have provided the Muslim Ummah in the UK with a unique means of expression without censorship. That alone is enough to be grateful towards it. Long live MPACUK!
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2008-06-29 01:29:13
Ahmed:
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If someone were to act kindly towards us and was a non-muslim but seemed sincere we would accept and be grateful for that act of kindness. If a non-muslim committed an act that was sincere and benefitted others we would laud them with praise and yet when muslims try to do something good some of us want to set conditions before someone that is a sincere muslim can try to do something good and who knows may even be pleasing to allah swt)inshallah.
If we keep beards or wear hijab in a certain way because we want to follow our Islam then is it right to expect everyone else to keep beards in that way or wear the hijab in that way ........supposing then all the muslims in the world were to keep beards in the same way or wear hijab in the same way then what would that achieve for the ummah that is facing severe tests and tribulations in some parts of the world. We may end up with a bearded ummah of which some wear hijab in a certain way but it wouldn't make the issues that we face any different. Similarly when we set conditions for others to follow before they are accepted as 'real' muslims, then we could go on setting another condition once they have met the previous one and so we could go on forever with nothing really changing except the conditions. This is the same tactic that the bnp want to use against minority communities by setting condition after condition for them before they are accepted but in the end the only real condition that exists is that they change the colour of their skin which ofcourse will never happen.
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2008-06-29 14:17:50
khan:
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What a girl/guy comeing to preach to me dressed like the kuffar, coloured hair, bling bling. when she cant keep a simple tenent of her religion.
i'v seen many of these people that never p/up a book yet happen to know what islam supposedly preaches. I would rather learn from someone i RESPECT. but sure political views can be considered regardless of the person. i aint on a high horse and i love what mpack do. i voted in the london elections. there was a lot of brothers that said voting was haram and i agreed with them. i also agreed that it was necessary to vote and part of religious duty. but both mpacuk and those brothers were extreme in their methods and mpacuk can be so childish nd immature.
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2008-06-29 18:22:21
Jarrar Mughal:
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The external markers tend to give away the internal state, and thats why they are deemed important.
NOW thats not to say both are mutually inclusive, eg you could have a Bearded bro who like to go to saunas etc etc, or a non bearded bro who shows high levels of piety and humblness. however MPAC seems to be contain a high number people who show not the external and perhaps this indicates a defficeny in the internal process that one would say is a prerequiste of being 'pious'. And that some would argue is sypmtomatic of the emulation of a secular organisation AIPAC in both their methods and tone. Quite a sorry state really.
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2008-06-29 22:18:53
Edward Jones:
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The external markers tend to give away the internal state, and thats why they are deemed important. — Jarrar MughalNOW thats not to say both are mutually inclusive, eg you could have a Bearded bro who like to go to saunas etc etc, or a non bearded bro who shows high levels of piety and humblness. however MPAC seems to be contain a high number people who show not the external and perhaps this indicates a defficeny in the internal process that one would say is a prerequiste of being 'pious'. And that some would argue is sypmtomatic of the emulation of a secular organisation AIPAC in both their methods and tone. Quite a sorry state really. Well i dont seem to follow your logic, over the last few days , articl after article on the MPAC website seems to be saying the exact opposite, that the external marker is NOT reflected in the INTERNAL character of the practicing muslim. Thus your whole argument is flawed. Since their is no difference between those who look and dress a certain way and those who don, apart from actions. As for AIPAC - aipac is supported by a community that protects its interests - what are your so called practicing muslims doing ...discussing (as mpac seems to put it) the perfect length of ones trousers?
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2008-06-30 13:51:55
MAQ:
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[quote=khan]What a girl/guy comeing to preach to me dressed like the kuffar, coloured hair, bling bling. when she cant keep a simple tenent of her religion.
i'v seen many of these people that never p/up a book yet happen to know what islam supposedly preaches. I would rather learn from someone i RESPECT. but sure political views can be considered regardless of the person.quote] If you would turn away from a message, no matter how good just because someone is dressed differently from you, then I feel sorry for the ignorant and closed mind state you're in. This is the stupidity thats rampant in so many people today - checking whether a brother or sister "looks right" according to your prejudice views before you contemplate listening to them.
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2008-06-30 14:54:21
MAQ:
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What a girl/guy comeing to preach to me dressed like the kuffar, coloured hair, bling bling. when she cant keep a simple tenent of her religion. — khani'v seen many of these people that never p/up a book yet happen to know what islam supposedly preaches. I would rather learn from someone i RESPECT. but sure political views can be considered regardless of the person. If you would turn away from a message, no matter how good just because someone is dressed differently from you, then I feel sorry for the ignorant and closed mind state you're in. This is the stupidity thats rampant in so many people today - checking whether a brother or sister "looks right" according to your prejudice views before you contemplate listening to them.
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2008-06-30 14:54:47
MAQ:
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The external markers tend to give away the internal state, and thats why they are deemed important. NOW thats not to say both are mutually inclusive, eg you could have a Bearded bro who like to go to saunas etc etc, or a non bearded bro who shows high levels of piety and humblness. however MPAC seems to be contain a high number people who show not the external and perhaps this indicates a defficeny in the internal process that one would say is a prerequiste of being 'pious'. And that some would argue is sypmtomatic of the emulation of a secular organisation AIPAC in both their methods and tone. Quite a sorry state really. Hold on, first you're saying that you can have someone who might not keep a beard, but still be pious and humble. Then you go on to say that no, the first is a pre-requisite of the other. And then because they don't keep a beard, it means they're secular. Forgive me for not agreeing with the stupidity of your argument. The struggle for perfecting one's own character is on-going in Islam. However, it doesn't exclude you from taking part in the external struggle - that of helping the Ummah and doing good for our community. From what I've seen of MPACUK, they might contain a lot of Muslims who you would class as secular by your definition, and yet they are the ONLY major organisation in the Muslim community actually practically doing any good for our community. They don't just talk the talk - they lead the others who walk the walk. You're right in one thing though.. your thinking.. quite a sorry state, really.
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2008-06-30 15:01:38
Non hijabi sister:
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The external markers tend to give away the internal state, and thats why they are deemed important. — Jarrar MughalNOW thats not to say both are mutually inclusive, eg you could have a Bearded bro who like to go to saunas etc etc, or a non bearded bro who shows high levels of piety and humblness. however MPAC seems to be contain a high number people who show not the external and perhaps this indicates a defficeny in the internal process that one would say is a prerequiste of being 'pious'. And that some would argue is sypmtomatic of the emulation of a secular organisation AIPAC in both their methods and tone. Quite a sorry state really. You seem to have a high opinion of those who dress in a certain way, can you back this up and tell me which group that represents these 'religious great men' is taking the Zionists on?
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2008-06-30 15:27:35
Sister:
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The external markers tend to give away the internal state, and thats why they are deemed important. — Jarrar MughalNOW thats not to say both are mutually inclusive, eg you could have a Bearded bro who like to go to saunas etc etc, or a non bearded bro who shows high levels of piety and humblness. however MPAC seems to be contain a high number people who show not the external and perhaps this indicates a defficeny in the internal process that one would say is a prerequiste of being 'pious'. And that some would argue is sypmtomatic of the emulation of a secular organisation AIPAC in both their methods and tone. Quite a sorry state really. Just because someone does not display some of the external markers of faith eg have a beard/wear a hijab does not mean that they do not pray 5 times a day, fast etc etc. Each person has elements of their faith that they struggle to practise. Just because they have not overcome one of those things is no justification to disregard what they say. In fact this is quite a foolish thing to do. Of course its not ideal but its parts of our test to see how we resolve such conflicts. Do we judge them harshly or think of them kindly in our prayers? I have met quite a few MPAC members and the most noticeable trait is their genuine sadness at the state of our community. But what sets them out from the rest is that they work tirelessly behind the scenes to redress this balance. I remember them in my prayers even if they are of the secular type because we have a lot to learn about what it means to be a good muslim.
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2008-06-30 16:00:37
Mumtaz:
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How can a sister who does not wear hijab preach to anyone? If she does not do the basics of Islam, how can she ask us to do things like 'politics' and 'media'.
Do the basics first!
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2008-06-30 16:08:44
Goalshan:
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Quoting Mumtaz:
"How can a sister who does not wear hijab preach to anyone? If she does not do the basics of Islam, how can she ask us to do things like 'politics' and 'media'. Do the basics first!" I think we can learn a lot from our non-hijabed sisters. We can first ask them why they are not wearing it. Perhaps we can learn from them where and why Islam is and Muslims are going wrong, stressing more on outwardly themes rather than spiritual matters. Perhaps a non-hijabed woman will be showing her passion towards Islam in other areas of her life. She may have a valid point We must be more inclusive rather than exclusive.
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2008-06-30 22:35:37
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As a relatively new member of MPACUK, I am incredulous as to the lack of reasoning that so many
people seem to display. I have read numerous comments in our articles
section which seems to demonstrate how hung up people are with external
markers of faith and piety.
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