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The proposed 42 days pre-charge detention is the equivalent of being locked up in prison for a three-month jail sentence (with release after half the time served) without any knowledge of why you are languishing there.
Only once you are charged can you begin defending yourself. So you are as good as guilty for this period before you can prove your innocence. The impact this has on the individual and the family can only be imagined. This is surely wrong. The fact that it will also act as a recruiting sergeant for extremism should be a secondary point in proving how counter-productive the strategy is: the primary point must be that it is an affront to our basic civil liberties in a democracy.
Since we don't have the benefit of a crystal ball, that shouldn't be how we legislate. The same logic would justify speculatively detaining people without charge indefinitely until some evidence cropped up that would allow them to be charged or released. Ministers justify the extension by using the scenario of three 9/11s happening simultaneously and asking whether the police would cope. That scenario is highly improbable, but not impossible. But there is already a provision in the existing law to allow for extension beyond 28 days with tighter judicial oversight in those "exceptional circumstances". All that is happening now is that those "exceptional circumstances" are being made less exceptional by watering down judicial oversight. That makes us all less safe. Source: Comment Is Free Readers have left 3 comments.
Jimbob:
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I don't know if you guys knew this, but there's already a legal method to extend the length of detention without charge, even before we start talking about the latest 42-day fiasco.
It's called the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, and it's a monstrous piece of legislation. Applying under this act, the police can detain someone for another 30 days on top of the existing 28. The main thrust of it though, is to allow the government to have 'emergency powers' in the event of another major terrorist attack on a UK city. This might involve declaring martial law, interning whole groups of people on 'reasonable suspicion' only, and a huge raft of draconian powers. If MPACUK isn't already aware of this Act, you guys need to know about this!
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2008-06-06 14:17:11
William:
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"If we slowly dismantle these freedoms in the name of combating radical Islamists then we will eventually end up with a state that may well resemble one they would happily set up."
MPAC seem to have missed the double-edged nature of this paragraph. I haven't.
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2008-06-06 14:27:00
oliver:
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william ames — salimBiblical Christianity or catholicism they're all the same. All of the actions were done in the name of christianity. Those millions who are dying now and have done in the past didn't think that oh these were catholics not biblical christians to them it was done in the name of christianity. ISLAM IS PEACEFUL in all apsects as i said before we have elements where some take it to the extreme which let the whole of the muslim world down. In rebuttal to Mr Salim's comments, I would like to start by reminding people that the 3 major religions Christianity, Islam and Judaism, which are based on the teachings of Judaism are not always peaceful when lived to the exact word of the book. There are good points to all three religions, however, when people live their lives to the word of these religions, they preach homophobia, violence towards other religions and sexism towards the mothers of our children. Arguably religion should be taken with a pinch of salt, they have useful moralic stories, however, they were written far too long ago to be fully incorporated into 21st century lifestyles in Western Democracies without harming other creeds, races and positions. You cannot subdugate the actions of governments to sterotype the entire population of America and the UK. Just because Bush is Christian, doesn't mean all Christian's are war mongerers. In addition it might be worth reflecting why USA has invaded the middle east (barring oil), clearly if you should be blaming anyone it should be the perpetrators of 9/11 i.e. Saudi and Afgan Jihaddists. Peace
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2008-06-07 18:26:42
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The non-negotiables in any democratic society must be the prohibition on torture, the right to dissent, the right to privacy, freedom of speech, no detention without charge and being innocent until proven guilty. If we slowly dismantle these freedoms in the name of combating radical Islamists then we will eventually end up with a state that may well resemble one they would happily set up.











