wow, it looks like the backlash is becoming global, i have never heard of the gorey muslim community, but well done you guys.

We need an international clothing law. Scarfs are allowed in the west, miniskirts allowed in the middle east. I thought Islam was clear about what you should do if you cannot follow as it should be.. move on.

Gorey is a small town somewhere down the road to Wexford. I wonder what the Muslim community in Dublin, which is much bigger and has a gleaming late-1990s Gulf-funded masjid, had to say about the issue?

i followed the links and saw that it is about a family whoes daughter wanted to wear a headscraf to school. this looks like a non issue and the press and islamophobic politicians are turning this into an crisis, about integration.

Oh just the usual again then eh ali akbar? Just another infidel islamophobic story of some innocent little muslim who wants to go to school covered from head to toe because its her human right to dress like a ninja in school. well this isnt iran ok. we have school uniforms here. Do you know what the word uniform means?
I guess mpacuk must be islamophobes then seeing they are doing exactly the same as the press.

I wouldn't say its a global backlash, rather it is a very European / Western phenomena. The same European people who are responsible for all the major wars, genocides and holocausts of the last few hundred years, have reverted back to their deep rooted and irrational hate for the truth. Allah says that some from the Kuffar will become 'deaf and blind' to the truth, and thats exactly what has happened to many Europeans whether they be Danish, the French, the English or the Irish.

strange point your making, its not uncommom for girls to wear headscraves in the UK, why is a problem in Ireland. At the same time its not a problem for girls to wear mini skirts in the UK where teenage pregancy is rife.

I and anyone else have a right to wear what we want and have our views respected.

we are talking about schools.
What is it with your backward way of thinking. What the hell has girls wearing mini skirts got to do with a teanager getting pregnant. Are you saying someone has no right to get pregnant?
These are rules we have in the uk in schools why should islam dictate what rules and laws we have.
Muslims do this because they feel that isla m should dominate and not be dominated. If they allowed this the next demand will be having somewhere to pray 5 times a day then taking pork off the menu because its offensive. It never ends until we have sharia.

So it seems wearing a scarf is against being irish,maybe someone should ask him since nuns were scarfs or veils or whatever they call them does he think they should take them off as well.
it seems racists and bigots are having a hard problem realising what freedom to speech and expression means,to live your life how you see fit.
gods knows muslims always get lectured about freedom of speech and expresssion.
I think its time the muslim nations woke up and switched those oil and gas taps of for a few months to any nation that victimises muslims based on their religious beleifs.

Let us for once have a little maturity here. Eire is a country with a small population struggling to maintain its identity against the overwhelming influence of the Anglo-Saxon world. It is a country that has only recently freed itself from the strangling grip of the Catholic Church. It is a country that prior to independence created a national myth which distorted their understanding of themselves and their neighbours, and they are coming to terms with that. Anyone who goes to live in Eire has to accept that outside of Dublin there will be ignorance and hypersensitivity, but equally anyone who goes there has to accept that the Irish have expectations that immigrants will assimilate to a large extent and not seek to project themselves as different. In a country that has had crnturies of bloody division over religion the answer is to find a quiet compromise.

Shan

you muslims don't actually produce anything.

The West explores for and finds the oil, gets it out of the ground, builds the refineries to purify it, builds the pipelines, ships it out, sells it and gives muslims a lot of money for doing sweet fanny adams. Gives you muslims a lot of money just because your camels happen to be parked on top of the oil fields.

How many years is it now since oil was discovered in muslim lands? 60? 100? yet still it westerners that do all the work.

You're all useless.

I don't think you'd know HOW to turn off the taps to deprive the West of oil.

And anyway, unlike you lot, we're intelligent and innovative and we work hard, and whilst initially it would be shock to our economies, we'd adapt, then you lot would find we didn't want your oil anymore and you'd be back to selling carpets, dates and pistachio nuts and riding your camels watching our planes flying overhead and getting angry cos we won't give you any of our wealth or toys like mobile phones or cars or whisky.

Any response?

First of all, apart from items like makeup and jewellery, a school uniform mostly comprises of what you SHOULD wear, not what you should NOT wear.

If no rules were in originally in place forbidding girls from wearing headscarves (in this particular situation we’re talking about hijab and not the full niqab), then to suddenly enforce it just because "Irish girls do not wear headscarves" is incredibly xenophobic and goes against ethos of what liberal democracies stand for, or does freedom of choice not apply to immigrants?

Secondly, your comments about Muslims "demanding" a place to pray and menus to be altered, really shows your ignorance and hatred. In schools and places of work Muslims usually take the vegetarian option for food, and pray during lunch breaks etc.

And finally, do not look to countries like Saudi Arabia or Taliban Afghanistan as examples of Sharia. Their corrupted implementation of Sharia is not even recognisable compared to what was practice in the early days of Islam. Besides, it’s impossible to implement Sharia in a country that doesn’t have a Muslim majority.

What's happening in Ireland is nothing near as placid as you would have people believe and the pace of change does not excuse the blatant racism that Muslims are now experiencing. We have argued that the hijab facilitates integration; it allows the woman to participate in society without compromising her belief. The removal of such will either force her back into the home or necessitate a compromise of her faith. Neither is desirable. The Irish, who themselves have suffered oppression should not so quickly assume the mantle of oppressor.

Thank you, Syed, for your observation - "Besides, it’s impossible to implement Sharia in a country that doesn’t have a Muslim majority." -as members of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim Malaysia and elswhere are discovering.

It was a leading thinker of the Catholic Church - I think an Irishman - who coined the slogan, "Toleration - if we are in the minority, we demand it: if we are in the majority, we reject it." As Muslim immigration takes hold in one Western country after another - it seems Catholic Ireland is only the latest - they will find the old Catholic slogan a useful tool - Demand full rights for yourselves until you reach the 50% tipping point, then you can start start taking them away from others.

A great Cathasia irtys are discovering
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Another example of the old Muslim tactic of pushing it as far as they can, being the agressor, then, claiming to be the victim.

But hey, it works, time and time and time again.

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colin, i live in golders green, and regularly see orthodox jews wearing their clothes, i see jewish women wearing wigs and I live in an area which is specically cordoned off so that jews can worship the sabbath on saturdays. I also have a friend who has gone to a rabanical court onver a family issue.

that said and done, i want to know when did jews demand that britian become a rabanical state? they didnt all they want to do is live, and be respected. the family in Ireland are not immigrants they are Irish and they have rights. So if the Jews of london can be respected and tolerated, so can the Muslims of Ireland.

If you can't see the parallels then the reason is your Zionnazi ideology means every Muslim you see is someone you have a knee jerk reaction against.

idiot, what is this about pushing for whats it worth? how is an 11 year old girl and aggressor? and what works, I can't remember the last time Muslims anywhere got a break from anything. your racist prick.

Hello Liam,

Do you have some constructive arguments to offer? You sound like you are one of the niave Irish struggling to come to terms with imported ideas of multiculturalism, and imported colonial guilt, imported directly from Britain, rather than thinking for yourself.

Muslims are not a race. Islam is not a race. Islam is a quasi religious, quasi political set of beliefs. Therefore, it is a "lifestyle choice". Opposing it is therefore not "Racist" but "Ideological".

Islamists across Europe are social agressors. They seek to push the politcal agendas of Islam, then when meeting resistance, hide behind "religion" as a basis of their motivation. Many westeners understand the concept of religion (you know, something harmless you do on Sunday) and do not realise the politcal agenda of Islam.

In this "velvet glove" approach, Islamists have used "soft" and "innocent" motives to further their agenda. Islamists use apparently innocent issues and niave stooges, such as children, to further more politically advanced aims.

And if you are having trouble understanding that, why don't you find out more about Shabina Begum of Luton when you are reading the liberal British media to find out how you should be thinking ?

You can't remember the last time Muslims got a break from anything ? Have you looked across the Irish Sea lately ?

Since 7 / 7 Islamist have demanded numerous things of British society, and they are getting them. Their tactics are working, and the niave Irish will soon be falling for this BS too.

Now, if you have some adults points to make, why not make them. Otherwise just stick your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes and scweem waaaysisssmmmm, while ignoring what is happening across Europe.

"you muslims don't actually produce anything".

David, you have revealed what many people here in te West suffer-IGNORANCE. You retard, when the rest of Europe was living in the gutter it was Islam that was phospering. Here some of the many discoveries made by muslims, a quick lesson, for the thickos like David out there.

* The alphabet is based on arabic numerals
* The 2nd Caliph Umar was the first person to introduce disability benefit
*State tax was introduced by the Calip Mansur (754-775)
*The concept of a college came from muslims
*The oldest university in the world, al-Azhar is muslim
*The Principle of Pendulum, which was used to measure time
was discovered by muslims
*Many of the principles of Isaac Newton were derived from Islamic scientists
*Terms used in Chemistry such as alchohol, alembic, alkali and elixir are of Islamic origin
*The muslim Al-Rhazes discovered the origin of smallpox

And after so many centuries, morons like you still don't wash their own backsides.

Kazamier: I grew up in a working class Jewish district of Manchester in the days before the curse of multiculturalism. As far as I remember those Jews were more Jewish and we goyim [kuffars] were more Christian than either of us are now. Many Jews were recent immigrants; some did not speak English. However, in no way did I feel any pressure from Jews to have me ‘understand’ or ‘respect’ the foreign ways and customs they brought to this country.

One small delight for us, though, was having two ‘Saturdays’ as it were, because on Sunday nearly all ‘Christian’ shops closed while Jewish shops were open!

What I want to say mostly is that the thought never crossed our minds that Jews were a threat. No thought of bombs in buses, trains or cafes; no news of trials of bomb plotters in court; no sign of street demos with masked Jews howling ‘Death to so-and- so”. In my world, the Jewish religion and presence – although I had no understanding of it then nor even felt any politically correct pressure to get to know about it - were peaceable. In time, I came to admire how Jews repaid British hospitality in a thousand and one ways. So, naturally, my knee-jerk reaction to Jews [in Manchester and in general] has been ever since then as you say Zionnazi, if by that you mean I fully support the existence of the State of Israel. I’m sure for that matter that there’s an appreciable number of grateful Zionnazis among non-Jewish Israelis who feel that way too, although they may be afraid to say that out aloud in your company.

Henry, You muslims just want to live in the past, constantly recalling, like old men in sleazy bar deep in your cups, reminiscing about the old times, the days of your youth, misremebering what actually happened.

Well, if you want to revel in the false past then that is your right of course, but forgive us here in the West if we want to live in the present and look forward to a breathtaking future.

We will wave to you all as we pass you by (again).

Queen of, (probably off)the ball. I do not pass my time in sleazy bars and I am not old, clearly you are speaking of your own experiences. That really displays how much dignity you have, not very much. You claim my statements are false. Well, why not undertake the research yourself. that's if you have the intellect to know how to?? The problem, with deniers like yourself, you will still try to deny the facts when they stare you straight in the face. And what I mentioned are FACTS! Did you know, St.George the man you venomly worship, was Turkish not English and never even visited this green and pleasant land of yours. You probably dismiss this is a false claim Westerners are the most insecure people I have ever known. Even more than the Germans, and they are linked to the Nazis. Your "Breathtaking Future??" You are plain stupid or having a laugh. Your decadent Western future is full of obese individuals, pram-pushing teenagers, white chavs on street corners imitating black people, people geeting pissed smashing up town centres, children telling parents to F**k off, pensioners being shoved into nursing homes because their own children are too selfish to look after them, invading other soverign countries, insulting, lets see you dislike the French, Germans, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Australians you think Italians are all corrupt and all muslims, and you will still be praying to a queen who has German blood whilst still not washing your own backsides.

Oh, I forgot this is the filthy present you already practice let alone your fairytale future

If there isn't an MPAC Ireland, there needs to be!

queenoftheball is now officially known as 'The Groom of the Stool'

Henry you obviously detest this country with all of your heart. you couldnt make it any more clear.
Why do you live here? Why not go and live in saudi or iran? Then you can enjoy all the sharia you like.and you dont have to put up with the sub human infidels here in the UK
As for ali abdullah saying If there isn't an mpac Ireland, there needs to be. Why do muslims feel the urge to live in places where they are not wanted? Its like you purposly look for places were you know the vast majority will be uncomfortable with your demands and all the religous rights you love to screem about. And then you move there.

Henry

If this was Nick Griffin writing about Muslims this way he would be up in court (again).

John

Markuk, clearly you hate being clever and love being stupid, because that is what you are...stupid I do not detest this country. I did not say that. I condemned elements of the society in this country Since you have the intelligent span of an ant. I will recall
FACT - Obesity is on the rise in the UK
FACT- Teenage pregnacies are rife
FACT- Many Brits shove their parents into homes to avoid responsibility
FACT-Britain has invaded a soverign country
FACT- Britain has invaded countries in the past to rape, pillage, loot and colonise (Jamaica, India, Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe etc, etc, etc, I am getting tired now)
FACT- Youth crime is a problem in the UK
FACT- Many Britains routinely mock the French (Are you jealous they dont worship a queen like you), Germans, Irish, Weish, etc, etc
FACT-Your hero St.George was not even English, or British
FACT- This country is not exclusively your's it never was, even though you are deluded enough to think it is. Go on read some history of Britain to learn about the history of settlements in the UK. Can you read though??
FACT- I did not say I want Sharia in the UK you retard, and seen as you mentioned maybe you want it

And Thank YOU for concluding the rest of the UK population as sub humans. I repeat, what I stated earlier, Westerners in the UK are so insecure and ignorant of history, culture, and knowledge, Either that, or they are just plain stupid. I know where markuk is positioned on that spectrum

Colin the proof is in the pudding,in britain the laws portecting jews and everything jews hold dear are so stringent that just criticising jews becomes a hate crime and you become labeleld anti-semite.
So why would jews need to go on the streets and shout and demonstrate,if you want to see how jews would react,invade israel and dismantle it and then kill-maim and make refugees milions and occupy israel with daily attacks and killings then we shall see how jews react.
Until then anything you say in this regard is mere wordplay,but if you wish to check the track record of how jews would behave ask the british dead in palestine,the stern-irgun and hagganah were not blowing kisses to british soldeirs or civillians.
As i said before do not patrionise us,we know a bit about history as well.

ALMOST HALF of people feel the wearing of hijabs or headscarves by Muslim students should be allowed in State schools, according to the latest Irish Times /TNS mrbi poll.

While 48 per cent agree with their use in State schools, 39 per cent do not and 13 per cent have no opinion.

A breakdown of the figures show that while a clear majority of younger people agree with the use of hijabs, older people are more likely to be opposed.

Green Party voters are among the most likely to agree (69 per cent), followed by Sinn Féin and Independents (57 per cent) and Fianna Fáil (48 per cent). Labour and Fine Gael voters are split evenly.

Women are more likely to agree (55 per cent) compared with men (42 per cent).

People are also divided on whether the Government should produce guidelines on the wearing of hijabs in State schools. A total of 49 per cent agree that the State should provide guidelines, while 41 per cent feel the State should not get involved in the issue and 10 per cent have no opinion.

The poll was conducted last Tuesday and Wednesday among a representative sample of 1,000 voters in face-to-face interviews at 100 sampling points in all 43 constituencies.
Source: Irish Times

The Irish Integration Minister's reasoned response to this hysteria over an innocuous piece of cloth is commendable. It is a constitutional slap in the face for aggressive secularism and welcomed by all fair minded individuals.

To markuk,

"Just another infidel islamophobic story of some innocent little muslim who wants to go to school covered from head to toe because its her human right to dress like a ninja in school. well this isnt iran ok. we have school uniforms here. Do you know what the word uniform means?"

dressing from head to foot means that you are a modest person. In Islam no one has the right to look at a women except other women, family members who are men and their husbands. Here in the West they wear mini-skirts and tight revealing clothes. Thinking that we want people to be islamphobic to us is just plain stupid. The fact is that 1 in 3 women gets raped in America every second: isn't that saying somthing to you?
I suggest you look up what a ninja means first before you go applying it and also think to yourself that if someone deprived you of your human rights, how would you feel? Islam says not to deprive anyone of their human rights. Islam says that women should be respected, The West promotes women revealing themselves. You're trying to tell me and my sisters to take our headscarves and coverings off and you think WE'RE barbaric?!

Before you have a rant about anything I suggest you look at both sides of the argument. It's something basic that they always teach you in school. I didn't go and accept Islam before I knew the truth about it and I didn't listen to the media or believe things that I heard.