| Hassan Butt-Al Qaeeda Or Mi5? - You Decide! |
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| Thursday, 27 March 2008 | |
Some of you may have come across this article in the News of the World
earlier this week that details the claims of Hassan Butt, an “Al-Qaeda
supergrass”.Butt claims that “thousands of young Muslims are preparing to unleash fresh terror atrocities on Britain’s streets.” He says that, “Saying thousands of British Muslims support terrorism is no over-estimation. I know because I used to raise money from them. Doctors, teachers and businessmen would all chip in—and they knew it was going towards terrorism.” Talking about his time in Pakistan he says, “It may sound sick to outsiders but I genuinely believed I was fighting a war. That’s why I was photographed with a loudhailer calling for Muslims to attack the British and Americans when I was in Pakistan.” The article states that Butt bought guns to be shipped to fighters inside Afghanistan, met the ringleader of the 7/7 London suicide bombings, Muhammed Siddique Khan, met the New York born Junaid Babar, who later became star witness against the fertiliser bombers who plotted to kill hundreds of clubbers at London’s Ministry of Sound and thousands of shoppers at the Bluewater complex in Kent. Now, Butt has allegedly had a change of heart: “But someone’s got to make a stand. What I’ve come to realise is that killing in the name of Islam for the sake of killing is completely prohibited. It’s a very dangerous cancer in the Muslim world and it needs to be dealt with.” In an article in The Times a couple of weeks back, Butt openly admits to recruiting people for terrorism and collecting money for terrorist purposes. Back in 2002, Butt told the BBC that he had recruited 200 British volunteers to fight for the Taliban and that he would now personally encourage attacks on political and military targets in the UK. At that time Muslim groups described him as a “fantasist”. At the time a Metropolitan Police spokesman said the Met was working with the Crown Prosecution Service to examine the comments on the radio, to establish if any offences had been committed. After reading all of this, I question why Butt has not been arrested. By his own admission he sent arms to the Taliban, he organised training for 200 British Muslims to fight in the Jihad, he collected monies for terrorism, he incited others to terrorism, he encouraged attacks on political and military targets in the UK and he associated with the 7/7 bombers Just because he has had a sudden change of heart and is now writing a “kiss and tell” book, surely this does not exonerate him before the law. If Harold Shipman had said when he was found out that he had regretted his previous actions, would he have got off scott free and been able to sell his stories to newspapers and publishers? The fact that Butt’s proclamations, fantasies or not, would appear to be consistently overlooked by the security services or the police suggests either a) we’ve got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services or b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Butt may have been working for the security service. There are many reports in the news media of people who were close to Butt having their houses raided and being arrested. While Butt claims in these articles to now be living undercover and to have been stabbed, assaulted and threatened, a few informal enquiries in the local Muslim community in Manchester suggest that he is living his life quite normally. I believe that the true purpose of Butt’s new found conversion is to instil fear in the masses so that they believe that there are tens of thousands of Muslims who are willing to become suicide bombers on the streets of Britain. This will strengthen the government’s global war on terror and allow it to continue to erode liberties through ever more draconian laws. Interestingly, Sir Richard Mottram, Permanent Secretary at the Cabinet Office, admitted last week, in comments that were not well publicised, that terrorism was not the biggest threat to Britain. He argued that climate change was a bigger long term risk. Source: theislamist.wordpress.com Plus visit the MPACUK Forum discussion on this very topic by a brother who believe he is an undercover plant!!! Readers have left 15 comments.
Clifford Ishii:
Islamic terrorism could increase adherents to Biblical Christianity in the UK & elsewhere.True there are not much followers of Biblical Christianity in the UK and Europe, but who is to say there won't be more after a terrorist attack based on Islam?. There is nothing preventing it from happening.
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2008-03-28 04:06:23
K. Urban:
Sir Richard Mottram's comments and those of some US generals gives credence to the fact that Blair and Bush have ''bigged up'' the ''war on terror'' to make them look like swaggering heroes, self-made at that.
Hassan Butt is the same, a bully like the comely Melanie Phillips of the Daily Mail. Bush and Blair should have taken on the mighty Russians or the Chinese. By avoiding the real and big threats, Blair and Bush may have stored up probems for the West for the future.
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2008-03-28 06:38:49
ben dover:
mi5 got a good agent in mr butt looks like he talks out of it as well.
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2008-03-28 09:07:07
mayusufzai:
Only when Hassan Butt's backers realise that the truth may come out, he will be arrested like Anu Hamzah was. Until the US did not ask for his extradition he was given full freedom and police protection to occupy the Finsbury Park Mosque and then to block the road outside on Fridays and incite the youths under police protection with masked men (one wonders if they were police men too) around him.
As for the MI5, the police and other services, we will continue to face these problems until we remove our self-imposed ban and join these services with full commitment to protect this country and our community from the threats of terrorists and the conspirators. We have to overcome our reluctance and stop seeing these services with suspicion from outside. After the mutiny of 1857 Indian Muslims imposed such bans upon themselves and paid heavily for this blunder while other communities learnt English, joined services and prospered. It was not until Sir Syed Ahmad Khan started his Aligarh movement that Muslims came out of their slumber. So if we really want to overcome the problem, stop people like Abu Hamzah and Hassan Butt misguiding their backers as well as our youthes, we have no option but to join these services and work with full honesty and with the Islamic sense that for any dishonest and selfish act and harm to any human being one day we will have to answer before God who is all watching and all knowing.
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2008-03-28 11:40:55
William:
"I believe that the true purpose of Butt’s new found conversion is to instil fear in the masses so that they believe that there are tens of thousands of Muslims who are willing to become suicide bombers on the streets of Britain."
We already know that at least 10 were willing. 4 succeeded-Mohammad Sidique Khan,Shehzad Tanweer,Germaine Lindsay and Hasib Mir Hussain-while 8 failed- Reid,Muktar Ibrahim, Yassin Omar, Ramzi Mohammed, Hussain Osman, Manfo Kwaku Asiedu,Kafeel Ahmed and Bilal Abdullah. There are undoubtedly more. A Muslim who has the courage to say so should be supported but of course is instead vilified by the Muslims-as-victims lobby for rocking the boat. The venom and bile spat at Hassan Butt suggests that he has hit a nerve.
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2008-03-28 18:23:43
Butt Doctor:
Butt must've had a good back hander in the back door from the MI5. He must've enjoyed it much. I'm sure the MI5 are riding him like ***** and he's obviously enjoying it.
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2008-03-29 09:58:49
MC:
We all know that this goes on and I'm glad you're discussing it - what do people think MI5 and other so-called intelligence agencies actually do? And remember they have been on a drive for more Asian recruits, for exactly this reason. If we knew even half of what they got up to we would be shocked.
Whenever I read or see anything in the papers that is intended to stir up Islamophobia I immediately question it. For example, the guy on the cartoon demo dressed like a suicide bomber and another few holding placards saying 'behead those that insult Islam' that of course was splashed all over the papers - who knows who these people really are and in whose pay? (and these are only the minor examples) Well done MPAC for not being scared to say it like it is. There are many people out there willing to be useful idiots to make a quick buck and sell us all down the river. One day it will all come out but in the meantime we should question everything and show them that they can't fool us.
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2008-03-29 15:34:23
Shan:
clifford ishii we can see christian terrorism in its glory every single day in iraq and afghan.
so for every act of terror you blame on islam a thousand can be blamed on christianity,if you read the history of christianity it is filled with slaughter of humanity to the tune of hundreds of millions of human beings. butt-bakri and co are secret service assets,that is why they are given prime time to give muslims bad press.
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2008-03-29 15:43:31
Colin:
MC and Shan
If you think the bombers and beheaders in London are fake Muslims in the pay of MI5 - why not take a holiday to Pakistan? You'll be besieged by the real thing - unless of course the MI5 can afford to employ all of them too! How long do we have to put up with this nonsense?
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2008-03-29 18:09:32
Colin:
MC
You forgot to mention the Zionists in disguise as Red Army soldiers - in the pay of MI5, obviously - who entered Tibet recently to draw attention away from what the real Zionsts are doing in Gaza.
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2008-03-29 19:22:04
wendy mann:
Islamic terrorism could increase adherents to Biblical Christianity in the UK & elsewhere.True there are not much followers of Biblical Christianity in the UK and Europe, but who is to say there won't be more after a terrorist attack based on Islam?. There is nothing preventing it from happening. — Clifford Ishiibut its not terrorism based on islam , it is a reaction to the invasion and terrorism that is being perpetrated against iraqis and afghanis . there is no link between the koran and terrorism (islam in fact forbids terrorism) however there is a proven link between our uk/usa foreign policy and terrorism.
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2008-03-29 21:38:44
Colin:
Wendy Mann
It's a pity MPAC didn't fund a mission by you to Iraq to explain to the bombers who perform in the street markets there that's it's not really Islamic to blow themselves up in close proximity to stall holders and customers. I'm sure everyone involved would have been very grateful to learn that. Then Wendy, on your return to the UK you could perhaps have been sent to Leeds among other places. If successful, you'd have been in great demand all over Europe. There's an awful lot of mistaken Muslims about.
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2008-03-29 23:08:47
Paul M:
Colin - don't forget that the Shias killing each other in Basra (nearly 500 dead over the last few days, but no mention by MPAC, never mind pictures of dead babies) are being paid to do so by Mossad and the alliance of left-handed cyclists.
As you will see in comment on the 'Vote Ken' article, Mossad have also been 'proven' to have been responsible for 7/7. And in Somalia and Darfur, the massacre of Muslim by Muslim is all the fault of the CIA and the Palmers Green knitting circle. With friends like Wendy Mann - always reassuring them that, however horrendous their actions against each other and others, someone else is normally to blame - the Muslims hardly need enemies.
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2008-03-31 10:11:30
Barbarossa:
Wendy Mann — ColinIt's a pity MPAC didn't fund a mission by you to Iraq to explain to the bombers who perform in the street markets there that's it's not really Islamic to blow themselves up in close proximity to stall holders and customers. I'm sure everyone involved would have been very grateful to learn that. Then Wendy, on your return to the UK you could perhaps have been sent to Leeds among other places. If successful, you'd have been in great demand all over Europe. There's an awful lot of mistaken Muslims about. Well we dont really know who is doing the street market bombings - however we do know who is doing the bombings of Palestinians - thats right the good old child killing Zionists. You might want to fly out there, kill some children of a Muslim woman and then come back to the UK - lets say Manchester - actually thats what thousands of young jewish zionists do already?
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2008-03-31 10:58:28
Shan:
The proof is in the pudding when occupations of muslim lands have ended and they have been allowed to develop onto stable societies without devious evil people whose motto is through deceit thou shall wage war then you can pass judgement.
Until then no occupation means no violence.
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2008-03-31 11:35:51
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Some of you may have come across this article in the News of the World
earlier this week that details the claims of Hassan Butt, an “Al-Qaeda
supergrass”.

