Falsely identifying Islam as the reason for this murder will not help the cause of justice or prevent future tragedies. The important thing is that everyone - including mosques, and yes, including the BBC - spreads the message that Islam absolutely forbids and condemns 'forced marriage' and 'honour killing'.

I also heard this label 'muslim teenager' used in the BBC Newsnight report (11/1/08). Thanks for kicking me into action MPAC - I'll call up and complain to the BBC today insh'Allah.

Hand on heart, MPAC, would you be so agitated about this affair if the news report of the allegedly murdered teenager was the daughter of a Zionist?

Tahira - I'm intersested in your specific statement that "Islam absolutely forbids and condemns 'forced marriage' and 'honour killing'." Where can I find this interdiction in your scriptures?

I was shocked and dismayed to hear the same on the Midnight News. It was totally unjustified and i agree with Tahira. I have sent a complaint

Can people barrage the BBC with complaints.

It was totally unnecessary for the BBC to overtly emphasise Islam in this matter and we are left with the impression that the stakes are being again raised on all fronts against Muslims.
I am quite surprised by the apathy of highly intelligent Muslim students, more inclined to having a good time at college rather than standing up for their religion, for example by emailing, actions which would only take minutes but have lasting effects.

Erm.. What on earth has Zionism got to do with religion. Have you even understood the story. don't try to take this story off track. Everyone knows that Zionism is a political ideology and has nothing to do with the Jewish religion. The fact is that if Judaism was wrongly being implicated there would be an uproar but somehow you think it would be acceptable to treat Muslims like this. If so you are also an Islamophobe. I put it down to ignorance.

Now lets get back to the Subject at hand.

Good call MPAC! I'll defifnitely complain. The media are starting to take the mick when it comes to reporting about Muslims.

Drop this Islamophobic agenda NOW ! We refuse to be scape-goated.

The BBC report DOES mention that the victim is a Muslim and it comes from a quote by the coroner. It isn't in the headline so that is a good thing by the BBC.

When the BBC said "A coroner has said that a MUSLIM teenager apparently worried about being forced into an arranged marriage was murdered." they were quoting the coroner Mr Smith

Off course they were quoting the coroner,it is odd when coroners quote things involving other religious groups bbc and other media does not quote them fully.
around 6 months ago a gentleman in his fifties killed his wife as he felt he had been dishonored after he found out she was having a affair,the media never mentioned he was a christian or the deceased was a christian.
when a man killed his family and himself after suffering from mental stress and anguish of his wife having affair and flaunting the affair as well,it was called a honour killing.
when christians kill their girlfriends or wifes,its jealous husband or jealous lover it is never honour killing,as to the bbc they are aptly known as the british brainwashing corporation.

The issue of forced marriage is an issue in the community of people who claim to be Muslim, whether or not is it allowed by Islam, in a way that it is not in the Jewish or Christian communities.

Typically, MPAC is more worried by 'It looks bad for us' (call it Islamophobia) than it is by the issue itself and the women' lives it ruins.

This suggests that MPAC's feminism is skin deep.

In Surah Nisa Chapter 4, Verse 19 (4: 19)
“Oh! You who believe, you are forbidden to inherit women against their will!”

Colin,

Stop being so lazy: do your OWN research.

Many, many Jewish women suffer terribly from domestic violence. They also suffer when their husbands refuse to divorce them (orthodox Judaism does NOT allow a woman to divorce her husband; only the man can divorce the woman). But do you ever hear of this in the media?

Judaeo-Christian civilisation indeed!

Islamaphobia should be made a dismissable offence at the BBC.

Incidentally, in Western society too 'honour' killings (so-called) happen: they are called 'crimes of passion'. A father/brother/uncle beat up (or kill) a guy for going out (having sex) with a girl from their family (or making her pregnant) - not at an uncommon thing. But the perpetrators/victims are white, so it isn't called 'honour killing'.

Azaad
Strange. If I make a claim about someone, I'd expect myself to to provide the evidence, not the person who is listening!

I'm not interested in defending male chauvinist customs of any kind, Jewish or whatever.

Honour killings are not about 'protecting' women - they're the murder victims - but about male family members' right to control female members. You can't hide that among 'crimes of passion'!

There was no reason to mention the religion in this story. Full stop.

Complaint sent.

There are certainly some ORTHODOX Jews who find it difficult to divorce and I'll bet there's a Jewish husband who has hit a wife. But this thread is about an HONOUR KILLING, so-called.

In fact I do remember a high-profile Orthodox Jewish divorce getting to the papers last year.

Anything that is 'quaint' or outside the usual norms of our society will attract attaention, especially a killing for what may be a dual religious/cultural reason. On both counts the label is identified as "non-British in behaviour" and so attracts the media.

We don't label people as White or Christian because that is the default character of the UK.

The fact that it does not appear in the papers proves the point that Jews are not treated like Muslims by the Media. Israeli Orthodox Jews beat a woman senseless for sitting int he front carriage of a bus, where they claimed only men were allowed to sit.

No front page news for that story? No demands for reform and calls of Jews not treating women fairly? ...imagine if that had been a Muslim.

i've sent a complaint too

Barborrosa, now I seem to have missed this piece of devastating news about some Orthodox Jews attacking a woman on a bus in Israel. As far as I know you won't find Israel in Stamford Hill or Golders Green? I am sure that had it happened in the UK it would be front-page news.

The UK newspapers aren't interested in foreign trivia unless it happens on British soil and is counter-culture to the UK. Like honour killing, for example. They are alien to the UK and disgusting that a family would kill one of its children over marriage. That makes the news. Also, it was a coroners court in the UK.

Why are YOU so worried about how British Press treats Jews?

funny, whatever happens outside of britain in other so called 'islamic' cultures, the media label it islam and this 'foreign trivia' has definitely been broadcasted in the british media on plenty of occasions. If this bus incident had involved a pakistani or two it would have been in the british tabloids with some juicy headline about how Islam (not culture) subordinates women.

yes honour killing is disgusting and thats why it is condemned in Islam, which is why it makes no sense for the british media to point out the religion of the diseased esp since no one goes according to religion nowadays anyway.

The ridiculous aspect of the 'offense' that this story inspires is that the woman in question was a Muslim who ended up dead for defying the customs of her Muslim upbringing. Simple, really.

But instead of pursuing that threat to Muslim women, the Islamists prefer to chase after Islamophobic bogiemen in the BBC! Says a lot abou the mentality. Simply disgusting really

Colin etc

Don't get me wrong: I, like you, believe there is no such thing as 'honour' killing. Its just plain murder.

And it has nothing to do with religion. It so happens that, just as 20 years ago, the media would have always mentioned the colour of a criminal, nowadays they thrill at saying a 'muslim' did this or a 'muslim' did that.

Imagine if every paedo case was prefaced by 'Police have arrested a white man ...' or 'a white man was accused of sexually abusing children...'. Would they be justified in doing it? And,would you say it was accurate?

Thus we hear thicko's from Hicksville, USA, to
Chav-town, GB, come out with: 'I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists seem to be Muslims'. Just paraphrase that to 'I'm not saying that all white men are paedophiles, but all paedophiles seem to be white men'. Can you imagine anyone being allowed to say that on air?

As for honour killings how does this sound: in India, for a girl to be born at all brings 'disgrace' to the family. So, many girls are murdered at birth, or beaten/tortured/abused/abandoned by their OWN mothers and fathers. Do you hear condemnation of Hindus?

I thought not.

chrimble this thread is not about so called honour killing it is about the bbc labelling people muslims but not others by their religion.
everything thing that the media is doing is with full knowledge and support of the government and there are still so called muslims who support them.

Colin grow up.

You are acting like a child whining Muslims did this, Muslims did that. No matter how much you keep jumping up and down pointing your fingers at Muslims, the bottom line remains that honour killing, as are forced marriages, is prohibited in Islam and it’s a horrible tragedy that this Asian girl had to die. Had her family followed Islam and not been so culturally orientated as every Asian, European, black, white, blue, green person is nowadays, there wouldn’t have been any such tragedy. Simple really.

Azaad.

I love your logic. Who can possibly deny that what most paedophiles in the UK have in common is that they are white? That stands to sense in the white UK. But who can also deny that what most if not all ‘honour’ killers have in common is that they are not white and that their victims are Muslim women to whom they are as closely related as possible? Once you accept the logic of this, Azaad, you’ll perhaps begin to see where the real threat to Muslim women is.

I have also sent a complaint.

Colin

You've done it again: missing the point and ending up with nonsense.

As I have said before, there is so-called 'honour killing' amongst whites &/or non-Muslims too. Its just that it isn't called 'honour killing'. White men do beat up white women for going out with blacks/Asians. White fathers will beat/kill their daughters for having a child fathered by a black man. White brothers/fathers will beat up men for going out with their daughters/sisters, if they don't approve. But when this happens, it isn'r called 'honour killing', that's why you never hear the crimes connected in your mind with race/culture -- it is just 'crime'. BTW have you not heard of Hindus/Sikhs/Atheists killing/attacking for similar reasons? You haven't? That's because there is anti-Muslim hysteria in the air, and it seems to have caught up with your mind.

And I notice that you have failed to condemn the killing/murder/abuse/rape of girls by Hindus. Shame on you. And do but look into how Sikhs treat their daughters/wives/sisters.

As for paedophiles, again you miss the point. You hear of murder/stabbings/robbery/fraud/rape,and all these crimes have whites/black/asian perpetrators -- in an overwhelmingly white UK.

So answer me this: why is it that when it comes to paedophillia, the criminials are ALL white men? What's so specifc about white men that only they commit this awful crime? They even travel to Sri Lanka/Vietnam/Thailand and elsewhere specifically to abuse poverty-stricken children.

Have youi got the point this time?

I'm afraid Colin probably has no intention of getting the point. That would stand in the way of his onslaught against Islam/Muslims.