" if the Jews can create an oasis in the desert"

I think your aspiration should be to try and match the success and integration of Jews in the UK from a similar standing-point but much smaller number of people.

of course many jewish people are not of brown or black pigmentation , they are able to blend into wider society and redefine themselves .

do you think the anti semitic rhetoric directed at muslims that emanates not only from news media hacks but also all political parties on a daily basis helps to create cohesion and integration. as a guide - hint : 1930's germany what did that propaganda and subsequent demonisation - dehumanisation process result into for the jewish people and 'non aryans'.




have the jewish people undergone this process in the uk, have the government sought to change their religion?

the fact is jewish people have not kowtowed to government or public sentiment when it is a matter of faith.

whilst muslims are attacking one another from within the disparate forces without are all congregating to attack from without.

muslims change so that those who want to subjugate muslim peoples and lands , who want to steal resources can do so without any accountability, then play to the tune of the non muslim piper.

Wendy Mann's comparison between Islam and Judaism is fundamentally flawed because it overlooks the historical distinctions for these communities in relation to power.

For the most part of the greater Muslim community they have exercised autonomy, if not always entire self-governance (i.e. free of imperial government). Muslim institutions have developed over centuries in environments where Muslims have power. Thus their community has not had to adjust itself significantly to any other group. A large part of what the Muslim community is now experiencing is that adjustment to living as a minority in a society with distinctive values that sometimes clash with Muslim sensibilities. To compound this many Islanmic expressions presume a degree of authority which is not recognised in UK, and may indeed cause offence.

Jews on the other hand until very recently were a powerless minority living amongst others and subject to the rule of other communities. Even if individual Jews occupied positions of influence they did not have the level of security that the majority population had, and were subject to the capriciousness of arbitrary rule. As a community they had to evolve strategies to cope with this, and thus concepts such "The Law of this Land is Our Law" evolved. Unlike Muslims until now, Jews also had to struggle with the issues of race, relgion and nationality. Were German Jews Germans who happened to believe in Judaism or Jews who happened to have German passports? Throughout the 19th C and into the middle of the 20th C, Jews had to prove themselves loyal to the states they lived in. If you care to read a Jewish Prayer Book in UK there is a prayer for the well-being of the government and the monarchy. So much for Jews not kowtowing to British sentiments.
Muslims in UK and elsewhere in the notionally Christian and liberal West are facing the same challenge, and it is difficult. Unlike Jews they do not have to hand the ready solutions to their dilemmas. Undoubtedly Muslims will develop them exactly as the Jews have done. I pray that Muslims do not have to undergo the same traumas and tragedies that Jews experienced as a minority.

Very sensible Wendy. Since you can't beat 'em you can't join 'em.

Instead of doing better you want to separate to make you fee comfortable.

I'm sure that any member of the BNP would want you to be a strategist for Muslim policy in the UK.

Ever since Jews came to the UK their synagogue prayers have included the Government of the day and Royal Family. Why not try that in the mosque?