Palestine will never be free, due to the illegal oppression of Israel.

"That Resolution partitioned British Mandate Palestine into two states: a "Jewsih (sic) state" and an "Arab state" - without Palestinians being consulted about their land."

That would be because there were no such people as Palestinians. Anyway, the Mandate split was without consultation with the Jews and also stole land they were given under the original League of Nations mandate.

"It also set in motion the dispossession, oppression and forced migration of millions of Palestinian people."

Well if you will start wars and massively lose them then you are going to lose land too. Here we have attacks designed to steal land from the Jewish People and you fail. Then you complain at the outcome that would never have happened if you had not been so greedy.

"Will he finally pressure Israel to act reasonably?"

Will he finally pressure the Palestinians to fulfil the first requirement of The Roadmap, to immediately renounce terror and incitement.

The Palestinians never did it when the signed the Roadmap. Can they be trusted to carry it out?

Hamas never offered peace with Israel they offered a Hudna. That is entirely different.

OK then. Persue plan B. Resistance is obviously futile so try peace.

palestine will be free as oppression cannot last forever.
resistance is never futile,no nation has received freedom from occupation on a platter.

In reference to 181 the problem that the Palestinians faced in 1947 was that their self-apponted leader, Amin El-Husseini, could not attend the UN to argue their case as there were two international arrest warrants issued for him for war crimes in Yugoslavia. It is incorrect to say that prior to WW2 that there was no consultation as evidence of the Peel Report indicates. The stated war aims of the Palestinian leaders and their associated policies served to further alienate them from the international community. In the 1948 war 653,000 Palestinians registered with UNRWA as refugees, this number has been augmented to 800,000 to include those who left prior to 1948. (The inflated figure came into use as Israelis cited the numbers of Arab Jews that were driven out of their native lands and found refuge in Israel.) It could not have been millions as the total 1948 population of Palestine west the Jordan River was only 1.5 million people, of whom 500,000 were Jews.

The key question must be what do the Palestinians ultimately want? If they desire a single state under their control which encompasses Israel, West Bank and Gaza and they are not willing to compromise, then these negotiations are pointless. If they are prepared to compromise and work towards co-existance with Israel then these negotiations have purpose. The election of Hamas to the government of the PNA is outwardly indicative that the majority of Palestinians reject compromise and elect to continue the conflict with the hope that they will ultimately win the conflict. If the election of Hamas was a protest vote against the corruption and ineptitude of Fatah then it is up to the Palestinians to demonstrate this clearly. It is not up to the Israelis to interpret this in any way other than the former overt expression of Palestinian national aspirations.

Bush can compel the Israelis to withdraw to the 1949 ceasefire lines without the Palestinians making any concessions, but to what end. As has been made painfully clear should this occur then there is no obligation upon Israel to open its borders with Palestine to allow the movement of people or goods. In theory the Palestinians could use the crossings with Jordan & Egypt but as both severely restrict the movement of Palestinians into their countries this is unlikely to be of much help. A return to the 1949 ceasefire lines would require the Israelis to re-enact the sectarian expulsions that occurred in 1948 against Jews and Samaritans. This would certainly end any willingness on their part to cooperate at any level with the nascent Palestinian state. Unfortunately for the Palestinians they need Israeli cooperation if their future state is to be successful.
What we all need to bear in mind is what happens once the occupation is ended. Will it all fall apart as Fatah and Hamas battle it out on the streets as they have started doing? And what will be the excuses then?

Shan
You would do much better if you followed RSD's methodology in approaching an issue. Read around your subject: for and against. Draw a line in the midle somewhere and reach INFORMED conclusions.

Shan, resistance can be futile and it can be in a number of forms. The violent resistance of the Palestinians is futile because it has no chance of success and serves only to impoverish the Palestinians further.
If it weren't for the stupid propoganda that abounds the Palestinians, and others, might have noticed that the Zionists worked from within prior to 1948 to build the machinery of state. The British hated having to deal with this systen but were given no alternative by the Zionists. So in 1948 then they declared their state that had a ready-to-go administration unlike the Palestinians. This allowed them to assert themselves and establish their state. What is most striking is that the Zionists left creating an army to last, they had everything else running beforehand. The Palestinians on the other hand strated out with an army and hoped that the rest would follow once they had won the war. The outcome of 1948 is an evident judgement upon the efficacy of each approach.
It could be argued that violent resistance by the Palestinians is not actually resistance but compliance as it serves the hard-line Zionists perfectly while keeping the Palestinians oppressed by both sides. Do never forget that while the brave fighters blast off bursts of machinegun fire as children starve, that each bullet costs more than a loaf of bread or a litre of milk. What is the value of the killer hero when all your children have died of hunger? Never forget also that the hero fighters fear peace because when peace comes no one wants them anymore, and they end up as sad figures in cafes begging for pennies.

Mr.Rsd it seems you have a very bad memory,so the stern-irgun and other terrorist groups were building the state machinery by planting bombs and killing people.
if that is what you meant by building the state machinery then i suppose you could say the palestinians are using the same methods.

Isreal build this big horse, walked right into Palestine as though they are doing so with peace and when Muslims were asleep, which they still are - they came out of that horse and with the armour, funds from USA and backing of UK took the country.

Butyou know what - we all know this. We also know, though one can blame an enemy or opposition - they must also admit to their own feeble nationalistic rubbish that has destroyed the Muslims in the Arab world.

We as Muslims are also to blame. We can't just blame Isreal. We can't just blame America administration. Yes, I see them to also be part of it big time BUT...it's time we have a reality check too.

To the article regarding when Palestine will be free - it seems my fellow Muslims all ove the world and have this tendency to fall in love with pain, struggle and want peace and victory but do lip service.

Palestine will be free but not with the pathetic billion Muslim of today. Many of our Muslims today are the most corrupt in business, the most lazy in salat, the most hypocrite in living Islam, the most wishful thinkers in wanting Islamic State and the most hysterical and emotional bigots who can't control their emotions within a debate.

And we can stop blaming puppets. The puppets exist because the people, helped them to get where they are and they keep helping them in diverse ways.

They are so scared of losing their wealth, their monies, their jobs, the time with their children, the bed with their wife or husband to even care enough to once and for all live for Allah SWT.

That is the reality and anyone Muslim says is not, lives in some box, and doesn't know what they are talking about OR they are the very Muslims I am talking about here.

So, if Muslims want Palestine then they need to focus as ONE or stop playing with each other's hearts to write more nasheeds on how we are at loss.

Yah Ummah! You LOVE LIFE MORE THAN THE HEREAFTER!

That's have become a fact. You know it and I know it.

Wassalaam

The only palestinian that is free - is a dead one. The Palestinian plight is similar to the movie THE RUNNING MAN - where prisoners are promised freedom if they complete the course, the truth of the matter is no one ever completes it. Even if they achieve freedom - they will still remain prisoners. OUR UMMAH makes a valid point - we are internet babies and the truth of the matter is MPACUK is loosing the plot - BIG STYLE. The one time Muslim Jihad Giant is now a poodle of the West - I think You Tube and publicity have got to them.....

Quite wrong. Stern and Irgun were not any official government in waiting they were terrorist groups. There was no Irgun or Stern party who formed the Israelo Government - they were outlawed and told to renounce terror, to hand in their arms.

Hardly a terrorist group like Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah who want to become governments.

You have been given a coherent and brilliant lesson in history by RSD, the size of a battleship and your riposte comes back the size of a flea.

We have tried peace you people start killing so they decided to defend themselves, don't be so stupid, Israel started off the violence by kicking out millions of palestinians out of thier homes, including poor, chrisitans and muslims grow up

Even if we ignore the violence directed against Jews in the 18th & 19th centuries in the region that became Palestine, it cannot be said that Israelis or Jews initiated the cycle of violence. There were no violent acts that were the precursors of either Hebron or Jerusalem massacres of the 20th century. These events were inspired by the Palestinian leadership and carried out by Palestinian Muslims against communities that were even Zionist. The only attempt by Palestinians for compromise and peace prior to the failed Oslo process was some dialogue led by the Nashibibi clan around WW1. Unfortunately this clan was cowed into submission by assassinations ordered by Amin El Husseini. From 1925 any opportunity for peace was at an end.
As you should know the Atalena incident ended any opportunity the Irgun had for independent action and they were forced to integrate themselves under a single Haganah command in 1948 when the state of Israel was declared.
As for ethnic cleansing both sides committed such acts, but the Palestinians were far more effective achieving the expulsion of 100% of all Hebrews in the areas they controlled, regardless of whether they were Zionists or not.
Until both sides start facing up to their own histories and owning up to their wrong doings there will never be any chance for peace. Thus it is time for everyone to stick to facts, and not propoganda. No group has impoverished and weakened the Palestinians than those who claim to be their friends and allies.

Our Ummah Knows: If you were to read some contemporary media reports you would see that the Muslim world was aware of Zionism. It wasn't that the Arab / Muslim world was asleep, it was grossly self-deceptive. The Arab nations simply could not bring themselves to believe in 1948 that a bunch of Jews could or would fight, and certainly not be able to stop any Arab army. To some extent this is understandable, Jews lived in the Arab lands as a tolerated minority subject to the capricious rule of the various governments. Jews were regarded as being cowardly. Even in Europe people believed that Jews were incapable of being effective warriors.
These ideas arose simply because people had never seen Jews fight back against daily abuse. The Arab nations portrayed themselves as warriors inheritors of an ancient tradition, and thus believed in their own omnipotency on the battlefield. Their leaders then talked themselves into a war that their standing armies were not capable of carrying out. Even though the RAF flew sorties in support of the Egyptians they showed no stomach for battle, and at one point were brought to a standstill by a handful of Zionist infantry. The final point that is often overlooked is that the Zionists had nowhere to retreat to.. there were no Jewish states nearby, and so they fought tooth and nail.
Trying to discern the truth of events through the fog of propoganda and outright lies is hard, but comtemporary observers note the degree of shock throughout the Arab world in 1948 when the Jews held and then forced back the Arab armies. It is a shock from which the region has yet to recover and come to terms with.

No it started when Arab's attacked Israel in 1948 and 1967 and then were massively defeated. You ran away hoping to avoid the conflict and return to land stolen from the Jewish people. Instead you lost and found yourselves with refugees. You had a chance to negotiate Res 242 but chose killing of Israelis instead.

The idea that Israel "kicked out millions of Palestinians" is simply UNTRUE. Even at the time of 1948 and 1967 the vastly inflated refugee count was much less than a million. Even with inflated adding of people never born there it isn't even a million so using the word "millions" is false if you are ignorant or a lie if you know the truth.

In fact Israel absorbed MILLION of Muslim/Arabs as citizens of Israel.

You are spot-on RSD because it was the idea that Jews couldn't defend themselves and weren't militaristic that led the Egyptians into a false sense of superiority. What amazes me is their compounded stupidity in 1967 when Israel was even better equipped to defend itself, as evidenced by the swiftness and comprehensiveness of its victory. In those days the media was "Bad Arabs - God Old Israel for smashing them in a stunning victory". How the self-perpetuated victimhood of the agressor has now become the mood.

the arab world was under occupation and the one that was not under occupation did not fight as they had secret deals with the british and americans.
1967 the israelis attacked egypt not the other way around,but when egypt applied its mind to get its land back the israelis realised the game was up in regard to egypt and the sinai was returned.
the jews who came to israel had taken part in world war two,these people had seen combat and were prepared for it.
the day israel is not armed and financed by western nations,you will see how brave and strong they are.

Ha ha ha ha ha you really do live in your own little world don't you, history has stated that millions were thrown out and still are, Israel have never embraced muslims, chrsitians and poor jews as thier citizens go and see the demographs you fool

You really are "away with the fairies" on this one. Egypt were prepared for War and all its bellicose words and closing of the waterways was already a de facto declaration of War. Shows how pathetic the Egyptians were because of how quickly they were destroyed. Israel made a pre-emptive strike to win the war. Are you cwying at how unfair this is (I can see you stamping your foot as I type).

Israel is a Nett producer of military hardware that the rest of the World buys. It has its own tanks, missiles and other armaments.

In 1967 the Arabs were supported by the might of Russia and Britain had no hardware support from any nation - and the Arabs STILL lost.

Israel has nukes. I don't see Israel ever falling but I do see the complete collapse of the Palestinians who cannot sustain themselves without taking money from all our pockets in aid. In some senses they have already collapsed with their own two-state solution. West Bank and Hamastan.

Simply refer me to an independent article that says "millions of Palestinians thrown out". Sorry I cannot share what you dream about.

In the last few days on the news media while discussing thre palestine issue and what was happening at annanoplis conference,they stated there were 4.5 million palestinian refugees.
so if the news media like sky-cnn and bbc is telling lies then who else can we refer you to.
israel has nukes and at one time only america had them but today around 10 nations have them,so it is only a matter of time.
israel is nett [producer of weapons that is why afetr 3 weeks of war with lebanon america had to rush in supplies.

Israeli's throw out Palestinians you want proof? Ok here it is read the follwing books:

The Revolt by Begin M
Zionism in the age of the dictators: A reppraisal by Brenner L
Palestinian Liberation Organisation: people, power and poitics by Cobban
The question of palestine by Said Edward
Palestine/Israeli peace or apartheid: prospect for... by Bishara M


Read these and i'll give you more articles and books to show more proof.

Israel doesn't manufacture all its weapons but it manufactures enough of the weapons it does manufacture to have a large export business. Therefore it is a Nett producer of weapons. Producing more than it uses. I thought I had written this in simple English. Apparently not!

palestin will be free...ameen
avery soon...
ill keep prayin 4them to Allah tala...

all the power is in Allah tala's hands...

what is israel to Allah tala...
nothing...