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A New Dark Age is Upon Us Print E-mail
Thursday, 15 November 2007

man.jpgJust how oppressive must a government become before we can justifiably say that it has turned a country into a police-state? Midnight knocks on the door? Security squads in black uniforms? The indefinite imprisonment of innocent individuals in prison cells and the immediate assumption of their guilt until proved innocent? Imprisonment for thought crimes? The use of torture to extricate information which may never otherwise be given? The permanent surveillance of a population at large?

If these were the criteria then there can be no doubt that Britain has become a police-state. Using the pretence of ‘Anti-Terror’ laws, themselves the product of an entirely fabricated ‘War on Terror’ which resulted from a false-flag incident involving the mass-murder of over 3000 innocent people, 911, and again 52 innocents in another false-flag incident involving Britain’s secret services, 7/7.

People have been dragged out of their beds in dawn raids –not only under ‘Anti-Terror’ laws but under immigration laws– by violent, often racist, thugs hiding behind police uniforms. Uniforms which are a shade closer to black than the supposed blue serge and caps whose peaks are more reminiscent of the Gestapo.

People (mostly people of colour or Muslims, or both) have been banged-up for long periods of time with most then being allowed to go free. At least two British Muslims, Mohammed Siddique in Scotland and another fancifully called the Lyrical Terrorist have been given long prison sentences for nothing more than thought crimes. And in the case of Siddique’s lawyer, Ahmed Anwar, even he is now being terrorised by the judge, Lord Carloway, whose behaviour and appearance is more reminiscent of a ruthless redcoat determined to control the judiciary of Scotland with an iron heel.

Torture is by export order and thousands of CCTV cameras endlessly surveil the public. And all this under the pretext of a security which the average prole has meekly accepted as something good for her and him. Aldous Huxley was quite right to predict that totalitarianism would come, not with a fight but by invitation. Using their insidious techniques, the British government has actually persuaded the average prole that these ’security measures’ are actually in his interest, that there’s a Muslim terrorist just around the corner waiting for him and so “we must step up security.”

“Stepping-up security” is the fatuous description that the talking heads on the BBC News gave it today in announcing our Stalinist Premier-by-appointment, Brown’s, announcement of a raft of draconian new laws which pull Britain even deeper into the depths of a police state.

The face of Britain will now be changed to look like a country under armed occupation. Now railway stations will be given baggage surveillance, hence making it at last possible for the State to know what every one carries in their suitcases.

Only the countryside, as in Orwell’s 1984, will seem to be free of surveillance.

First airports, now railway stations. But it doesn’t stop there:

Mr Brown said guidance would be sent to thousands of cinemas, theatres, restaurants, hotels, sporting venues and commercial centres, as well as all hospitals, schools and places of worship to advise them on how to keep visitors safe against terrorism. BBC

So, you see, it’s going to be everywhere. The whole country is to be turned into a super-Belfast open internment camp for the entire population. We are all suspects now!

But it doesn’t stop there for,

The prime minister also outlined measures to counter the influence of radical fundamentalists in Britain’s schools, universities, mosques, youth clubs and prisons, as well as on the internet. BBC

The long-expected attack on the freedom of the internet has thus begun. My predictions that blogs like mine will be banned and pulled-down off the Net within the next five years was, after all, perhaps optimistic. It could be very much sooner than that.

The legislation for just that kind of thing has been prepared in the US with HR1955. Like a nightmare unfolding predictably, chapter by chapter, the new fascist totalitarianism that was behind 911, Madrid, Bali and 7/7 is now rapidly gaining ground, moving fast at the speed that Hitler’s panzer divisions overran a bewildered western Europe in 1940.

As with that attack, the battleplans were laid a long time ago by people like Samuel Huntington, the guru of Washington’s neocons, ex-spook and writer of the seminal Clash of Civilizations, the intellectual cover for Islamophobia and the fake ‘War on Terror.’

Just as Bush and Blair agreed to attack Afghanistan and Iraq a long time before 911 (of course they did, 911 was the excuse they both knew about) so the plans for the implementation of police states in the English-speaking countries can be taken a long while back before the events which were calculatedly manufactured to terrorize and bully a passive western population into submission.

Utilizing a blueprint of commonality the tin-pot Atlanticist Hitlers and their quislings are working to a schedule to take our remaining freedoms and bury them in a deep grave before the next Oil and Resource wars are launched. It is no accident that only days ago, Britain’s Number One Traitor and Quisling, Gordon Brown, once again swore allegiance to his bosses in Washington DC whilst condemning all those who in Britain dare to criticise the death-pact of the Anglo-Saxon Alliance to be “anti-American.”

That death-pact is nothing less than the totalitarian gauntlet which Brown threw down not only to declare his unending allegiance to the dark forces in the White House but as a deliberate taunt against his own people, do as you’re told or I will punish you horribly! It was nothing more than an arrogant, rather overweight feudal baron making public his scorn for the peasantry over which he rules as a divine right.

And the new “stepping-up of security” announced by the lying Big Brother Cooperation (BBC) is only a further tightening of the fascist ratchet as per orders issued to the English-speaking countries by Washington DC.

It is no accident, either, that the so-called review issued by the idiot Lord West, Britain’s Sicherheitsminister, used the false-flag bombings of London and Glasgow Airport as the grounds for the new draconian laws. I have no doubt whatsoever that those incidents, using the classical methods of secret services’ entrapment, were deliberately caused in order to justify what has now been announced. Anyone naive enough to think I am talking nonsense should look at how all this was prepared-for and given a testbed in Ireland a long time before it started in earnest in mainland Britain.

The comparison with Nazi Germany is perfect, even to the everyday persecution of Muslims by both the police and by thugs on the streets. Not only Muslims are being attacked but so are all people of colour. A new wave of racist violence is growing in the USA, Britain and Australia where even the aboriginal people are under a fresh wave of attacks. In continental Europe, fascism together with racism has raised its ugly head once more.

And 8 million Muslims have died as a direct result of USUK imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 16 years. The comparison is complete.

The shadow of a New Dark Age is upon Us.

Source: http://chimesofreedom.blogspot.com/2007/11/new-dark-age-is-upon-us-just-how.html

Note: The opinions of the author of this article may not reflect those of MPACUK.




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Readers have left 37 comments.
wendy mann: Quote

i think it is instructive to listen to the shrills and mouthpieces of their masters. currently jon gaunt a writer in the sun and broadcaster on talksport radio has not only been given a lot of media exposure he also appears to have some contacts in high places not only in the conservative party but also new labour.

why do i mention him in particular because he is part of the nazification of our media, he is promoting the idea of internment of muslims and profiling not to mention an extension of detention without trial.

what is also of note is his take on the causes of radicalisation, not iraq or foreign policy but mad evil preachers and islam which he claims has no reasoning so that one cannot negotiate as the government had with the ira.

the point is , this is a man well connected and he is spouting this ill informed idea of the causes and seeks the demonisation of muslims leading to internment.

the question isnt why but when.
(1) 2007-11-16 01:18:08
jeff: Quote

The writer obviously knows nothing about Nazi Germany and occupied Europe. He or she is right about one thing though. N New Dark Age is upon us - historical ignorance.
(2) 2007-11-16 09:02:08
Zesto: Quote

Since you removed my first comment - here it is again.

You asked for comments. Here they are.

I like the photo of Asghar looking pensive - it adds gravitas to the article which is absurd.

9/11, 7/7 inside jobs.

Glasgow & Mayfair - False Flag.

Millions killed by the USA BECAUSE OF DRUGS!!???!?!

If you are competing for the most absurd article in defence of UK Muslims with Dr Bari and Ken Livingstone's recent report on Muslim's in the media (something he seems very embarrassed about) then I believe you have topped them both.

Its my comment. Don't remove it because you don't like it!
(3) 2007-11-16 09:21:52
Rob: Quote

We all know that what is happening is part of a deliberate plan to take away our rights and turn us into the serfs and peasants we were before world war one.
all the laws cannot change the fact that as long as we unjustly attack and occupy foreign nations and in the proces kill or maim millions there will be reactions to our actions.
the biggest threat to world peace today is from deceiving liars who have no regard for human life and dignity and being called warmongers and murderers is a badge of honour for them.
All the warmongers must wish they were born in certain western nations so that they could get to kill and rob and claim they are doing this to spread democracy and human rights.
The people have to wake up and fight for their rights,otherwise it will be a repeat of oppressive laws like in germany and under communism.
they came for the muslims i did nothing and one day they came for me and i could do nothing as it was to late to change the system.
we have to make sure that liars and deceivers who are elected to represent our interests remember this.
(4) 2007-11-16 11:40:54
RSD: Quote

What an interesting article!

WELCOME TO THE MUKHABARAT SOCIETY!

I am not entirely certain what MPACUK seeks to achieve by publishing rubbish like this.
(5) 2007-11-16 12:39:06
I Sidat: Quote

It's plainly obvious that since 9/11 the media has forged a hysteria on terrorism when the fact is that these kind of actions have always been around. The reality is that muslims are being targeted without any thought and any legal considerations and evidence.

Britain is plunged into a new age of terrorism on a new level because of the actions of this government, Brown, Blair and all those ridiculous politicans in the labour and conservative camps have contributed to 7/7 that is evident because before the iraq war we seemed to be on the same page now there is a very stark difference in society and that difference is by relious warfare so blame those in whitehall and bush along with the media. Thanks to these institutions the muslim community is in the same place as the european jewish community was during 1825-1965
(6) 2007-11-16 15:24:14
thomas: Quote

"Thanks to these institutions the muslim community is in the same place as the european jewish community was during 1825-1965"

i thought ww2 ended in 1945, clearly people here do not know the facts of what happened,n although, there was anti-semitism in European countries as the time it was only in Germany where they became marginalised, and once Germany begane to invade their views were then forced upon those countries. The only country where there was a massive resistance to the treatment of the jews was in fact Denmark.
(7) 2007-11-16 17:05:56
RaviM: Quote

It's plainly obvious that since 9/11 the media has forged a hysteria on terrorism when the fact is that these kind of actions have always been around. The reality is that muslims are being targeted without any thought and any legal considerations and evidence.

Britain is plunged into a new age of terrorism on a new level because of the actions of this government, Brown, Blair and all those ridiculous politicans in the labour and conservative camps have contributed to 7/7 that is evident because before the iraq war we seemed to be on the same page now there is a very stark difference in society and that difference is by relious warfare so blame those in whitehall and bush along with the media. Thanks to these institutions the muslim community is in the same place as the european jewish community was during 1825-1965
— I Sidat


That's like the rapist blaming his victim. "She was asking for it, your Honour"
(8) 2007-11-16 17:36:28
truth: Quote

How strange that the zionist's have even taken over the comments section on this site. Is there anything that they do not desire the control of.

Don't worry. The khilafa is very close, dont despair the muslims are awake,just See what is happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc. The muslims are starting to fight for their rights and allah's justice will be implemented.

salaams to all the zionists.
(9) 2007-11-16 20:26:31
Colin: Quote

I may have been the first to comment on this deranged article but I was overlooked so here goes again. MPAC, you do yourself no favours by giving space to the likes of tinyurl. Do you have even the slightest urge to share his belief that members of the Government organised and carried out the London tube bombing and then blamed it on four young Muslims from Leeds? If so, you forfeit the support and sympathy of the sane majority of the population, and gain their ridicule and worse instead.
(10) 2007-11-16 22:02:24
Seraphym: Quote

Truth said:

"See what is happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc."

You left out Iran, Thailand, Gaza, Lebannon and Afghanistan. Then you'd actually have a list of everywhere the disgusting principles of Islamic rule oppress and murder hundreds of thousands of fellow HUMAN BEINGS.

Maybe the author of this article might consider that it is ISLAMIC TERRORISM that is driving these changes. Only the truly stupid or willfully ignorant/blind even bother debating the point. It's called ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS, and you might want to learn it.

How about the recent milestone that over 10,000 ISLAMIC TERROR attacks have occured since 9/11. These are attacks that were specifically reported in the media, and the attackers were specifically Islamic in their motivation. Try analyzing the changes in Britiain with THAT information.

As long as free-thinking and rational people of the world exist, we'll continue to resist your goal of a world-wide caliphate. Even an athiest could agree, based on the author's complete lack of any rationality or logical thought processes demonstrated in this article, that you and your movement have nothing to be desired. No wonder you hate apostates so much... you're afraid of the first-hand knowledge they'll spread about your f-ed up religion or your completely worthless critical reasoning skills.

I can't blame you for being so useless at critical thinking... I've read nearly the whole Qur'an, and it's such a mess of illogical conclusions and barbaric warlord oppression that's it's depressing to think that any person with a kind heart or a functioning brain would believe that it was the unaltered truth directly from God. The Hadiths and Sunnah are even worse.

Jesus of Nazareth brought the true message of God's love for mankind. I know this because of the kindness and peacefulness of the message, a message that, if it were practiced perfectly, by everyone, would build a truly marvelous world of freedom of thought and kindness for each other, regardless of differences. The message of Islam breeds hate, violence, oppression, mistrust, and subjugation to conflicting "rules" about everything - even Muslims kill Muslims over minor differences because their holy scripture justifies them doing so. It's pathetic and awful.

Well, you're welcome to your warped ideology - just don't expect to foist it on the far-more-enlightened societies of the rest of the world. God provides a guide for our lives in this world... your kind would have us be slaves. Apparently, Britian isn't lashing themselves to the slave caravan fast enough for your liking.

Let's see if you've got the courage to leave this post up... but I'm not holding my breath.
(11) 2007-11-16 23:06:05
snakesavage: Quote

i find the authors comparison of the UK to nazi germany to be laughable! this is just more of the canned diatribes used by apologists to throw the blame on another. "attack and then cry victimhood". If the author truly was in a facist state, does he think he would have this forum to vent his lies? He'd be silenced and disappear, which , upon reflection, may be a new and effective strategy for him! question--who do you think your fooling?
(12) 2007-11-16 23:24:13
snakesavage: Quote

and by the way, did anybody notice the comment above mine wherein the author "truth"(how delicious) hints darkly of the coming caliphate? you can't make this stuff up folks.
(13) 2007-11-16 23:32:27
Mara: Quote

I would warn anyone who agrees with the writer that a site this extreme is probably a fishing site to identify supporters FOR later survailence.
(14) 2007-11-17 00:47:55
I Sidat: Quote

How strange that the zionist's have even taken over the comments section on this site. Is there anything that they do not desire the control of.

Don't worry. The khilafa is very close, dont despair the muslims are awake,just See what is happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc. The muslims are starting to fight for their rights and allah's justice will be implemented.

salaams to all the zionists.
— truth


Firstly RaviM if you don't understand what am saying then don't answer. As for Mr Thomas Denmark closed it's borders to a mass jewish community, infact they supplied thier craftsmanship to the nazi's so get your fatcs right.

Lastly Mr truth i don't think salaams to a zionist is welcome since thier continued oppression on muslims, the pakistan issue is very basis of stupid ideology it has nothing to do with religion, iraq is the new palestine and algeria are on the next level.
(15) 2007-11-17 01:28:40
cliff: Quote

Ah wishful thinking by lunatics.
You assume our ignorance by publishing this tripe.
Remember that by repeating the same lies and distortions doesn't make it the truth as you seem to think it does.
Shame on you.
I hope you have the guts to let this post be viewed.
(16) 2007-11-17 05:52:10
RaviM: Quote

How strange that the zionist's have even taken over the comments section on this site. Is there anything that they do not desire the control of.

Don't worry. The khilafa is very close, dont despair the muslims are awake,just See what is happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc. The muslims are starting to fight for their rights and allah's justice will be implemented.

salaams to all the zionists.
— truth


Mayvbe its BECAUSE people can see what's happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc that they aren't concerned at any Caliphate affecting the West and Europe. I've noticed the tendency to label anyone who has an alternative opinion to be labelled a "Zionist". What a shame you misuse the word into meaningless.
(17) 2007-11-17 07:29:14
RaviM: Quote

I may have been the first to comment on this deranged article but I was overlooked so here goes again. MPAC, you do yourself no favours by giving space to the likes of tinyurl. Do you have even the slightest urge to share his belief that members of the Government organised and carried out the London tube bombing and then blamed it on four young Muslims from Leeds? If so, you forfeit the support and sympathy of the sane majority of the population, and gain their ridicule and worse instead.
— Colin


LGF have already picked this article up which means it goes global. MPAC UK will do far more damage for itself than it intended.
(18) 2007-11-17 07:31:23
dave: Quote

Does anybody here actually know what a Zionist is? A Zionist is merely somebody who actively supports the continued existence of the State of Israel.

There are left wing zionists, right wing zionists, pro-palestinian zionists, anti-palestinian zionists, green zionists, jewish, christian and muslim zionists.

IOW "Zionist" is a very wide remit.

Most Zionists are moderate, however, forums like this use the "Z" word as if it implied the embodiment of all evil. That's just plain ignorant.

Unless of course you are the kind of nutcase that wants to see Israel obliterated - in which case the political distinctions are meaningless...but that's your own psychosis and has no relevance to the political scene in the Middle East.

And yes - I am a Zionist. A woolly, liberal, left of centre zionist who's a vegetarian, loves animals and children and would love to see peaceful co-existence with a Palestinian state.

(19) 2007-11-17 08:22:47
Rob: Quote

When the governemnt says we will not hold a inquiry but narrate what happened then you will get this doubt and confusion.
the only way to lay to rest any confusion is to have a public inquiry on the events of 7/7.
on the day in question by coincidence a drill was being carried out to see what would happen if bombs were let of on the underground,on the day in question the cameras on the bus were not working,just like the day princess diana died all the cameras on her route were not working either.
this is what puts confusion in peoples minds,when the people are polled politicians and journalists come out as the most untrustable people,yet joe public is expected to believe what the media and politicians tell them.
we need a independent public inquiry not a whitewash public inquiry.
(20) 2007-11-17 11:54:10
RaviM: Quote

Does anybody here actually know what a Zionist is? A Zionist is merely somebody who actively supports the continued existence of the State of Israel.

There are left wing zionists, right wing zionists, pro-palestinian zionists, anti-palestinian zionists, green zionists, jewish, christian and muslim zionists.

IOW "Zionist" is a very wide remit.

Most Zionists are moderate, however, forums like this use the "Z" word as if it implied the embodiment of all evil. That's just plain ignorant.

Unless of course you are the kind of nutcase that wants to see Israel obliterated - in which case the political distinctions are meaningless...but that's your own psychosis and has no relevance to the political scene in the Middle East.

And yes - I am a Zionist. A woolly, liberal, left of centre zionist who's a vegetarian, loves animals and children and would love to see peaceful co-existence with a Palestinian state.

— dave


Ah yes Dave, but surely you must be an "Evil" "woolly, liberal, left of centre zionist who's a vegetarian, loves animals and children and who would love to see peaceful co-existence with a Palestinian state". It simply isn't possible to be a Zionist without also being a supporter of Apartheid and of Genocide against the Palestinians people.

I know I'm right because I read that here. I'll bet you are a media mogul with lots of money and a secret Mason.

Unless they're wrong!

Hmmmm....!

Hadn't considered that. Must do research! Must do research! ......
(21) 2007-11-17 14:55:14
wendy mann: Quote

Does anybody here actually know what a Zionist is? A Zionist is merely somebody who actively supports the continued existence of the State of Israel.

— dave


modern day zionists are a political group of people who are of any faith , even none who utilise religious text for their personal agenda and greed.

there are zionists in the muslim world they are often referred to as islamo-fascists or such similar.

zionists arent too interested in israel as an entity , it is useful as a focus for all of their political aims and machinations.
(22) 2007-11-17 16:38:49
I Sidat: Quote

How strange that the zionist's have even taken over the comments section on this site. Is there anything that they do not desire the control of.

Don't worry. The khilafa is very close, dont despair the muslims are awake,just See what is happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc. The muslims are starting to fight for their rights and allah's justice will be implemented.

salaams to all the zionists.
— RaviM


Mayvbe its BECAUSE people can see what's happening in Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Morrocco, Algeria etc that they aren't concerned at any Caliphate affecting the West and Europe. I've noticed the tendency to label anyone who has an alternative opinion to be labelled a "Zionist". What a shame you misuse the word into meaningless.
— truth


It funny how when anyone who criticises Israel is labelled anti-semitic. Oh and by the way semitism really refers to yiddish community in other words the poor jewish community which the european jews adopted after the holocaust, in fact if i am right semmitism was used to describe a number of tribal arab communities which expanded to various other religions.

Ravi i simply don't know where you get your info from becuase your plain stupid nothing that you have said actually makes sense, i think that you have an ideology which won't fit in with the wider community and pretty sure there's something wrong with you, this is not a personal attack its my personal evaluation and its what i do analyise criminal minds i certainly see some form of hatred, am shocked to read your words especially the fact that its from someone who has the smae ethnic background to mine
(23) 2007-11-17 19:42:52
Cassandra: Quote

"first they will ignore you, then they will ridicule and discredit you, then you win!"

M.K.Ghandi

All those on this thread who ridicule this article I challenge you to come back in 5 years time (if this website is still allowed to exist) and make the same comments.

Totalitarianism always comes like a thief in the night. By the time you wake up to see the damage it's too late.
(24) 2007-11-17 20:39:02
Pir: Quote

Dave
You're a typical wooly liberal! all rhetoric, little substance.

How realistic is a Palestinian state that you "kindly" support? Would it not be more decent and practicable to promote a one state solution for Jews, muslims, Christians and others who live in the former Palestine? Leave all the settlers where they are, Right of return for all refugees..etc If they could all live together in South Africa post aparthied, then they can do it in Isratine (Gaddafi's phrase, I think).

What we really need is for the liberal types to stand up to the Melanie Phillips type fanatics.
(25) 2007-11-17 22:26:00
RaviM: Quote

@I Sidat,

You shouldn't insult me as being 'stupid' and then post something that illustrates the word 'stupid' perfectly.

You said (LOL!):-

"It funny how when anyone who criticises Israel is labelled anti-semitic. Oh and by the way semitism really refers to yiddish community in other words the poor jewish community which the european jews adopted after the holocaust, in fact if i am right semmitism was used to describe a number of tribal arab communities which expanded to various other religions.

Ravi i simply don't know where you get your info from becuase your plain stupid nothing that you have said actually makes sense,"

"Antisemitism" is racist hatred against anyone who is Jewish wether Ashkenazi, Sephardi or any Arab/African Jews. It applies to rich or poor Jews. The word had never applied to any Arabs - unless they were Jewish.

The word was invented in Germany some 40 years before The Holocaust.
(26) 2007-11-18 15:01:51
RaviM: Quote

Dave
You're a typical wooly liberal! all rhetoric, little substance.

How realistic is a Palestinian state that you "kindly" support? Would it not be more decent and practicable to promote a one state solution for Jews, muslims, Christians and others who live in the former Palestine? Leave all the settlers where they are, Right of return for all refugees..etc If they could all live together in South Africa post aparthied, then they can do it in Isratine (Gaddafi's phrase, I think).

What we really need is for the liberal types to stand up to the Melanie Phillips type fanatics.
— Pir


Does that mean Jews may return to Mecca and Medina so that Saudi will become a secular state?
Lets have all the Hindus move back to Pakistan and the Muslim move back to India so we can have two secular, non-religion- domintaed countries.

Lets have ANOTHER Holocaust of Jews by allowing back amongst them the very people trying to kill them for sixty years.

Let's take back Gaza as part of historical Israel.

Let's have the 800,000 Jews and their now extended families go back to Arab countries.

People who call for One State are just trying to finish the work of the Nazis.

Palestinian Terrorists spend their lives working out how to kill Jews and what you want to do is invite them into you home.
(27) 2007-11-18 15:09:03
I Sidat: Quote

@I Sidat,

You shouldn't insult me as being 'stupid' and then post something that illustrates the word 'stupid' perfectly.

You said (LOL!):-

"It funny how when anyone who criticises Israel is labelled anti-semitic. Oh and by the way semitism really refers to yiddish community in other words the poor jewish community which the european jews adopted after the holocaust, in fact if i am right semmitism was used to describe a number of tribal arab communities which expanded to various other religions.

Ravi i simply don't know where you get your info from becuase your plain stupid nothing that you have said actually makes sense,"

"Antisemitism" is racist hatred against anyone who is Jewish wether Ashkenazi, Sephardi or any Arab/African Jews. It applies to rich or poor Jews. The word had never applied to any Arabs - unless they were Jewish.

The word was invented in Germany some 40 years before The Holocaust.
— RaviM


Effectively what your trying to say is all academics who are trying to establish th real meaning of semitissim are stupid! Mate i get my info from non-muslim academics people who are respected in the world people who are trying to give illiterate people some form of common sense that's where i get my information from. And no its not theoretical these are genuine articles and books unlike yourn source the internet and sky news
(28) 2007-11-18 18:35:15
RaviM: Quote

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— I Sidat


Effectively what your trying to say is all academics who are trying to establish th real meaning of semitissim are stupid!
— RaviM


No! You are stupid for suggesting that any academioc is trying to decide what "Semitisim" is (spelt correctly!).

The word semite applies to people who have their roots in the Middle East. Of course I wouldn't tell you this if I thought it would then lead you to a false conclusion about the word "Antisemitism".

"Antisemitism" is a word invented in Germany to describe hatred against Jews.

If you want a word to express hatred towards Arabs then that word is "Anti-Arab".

I've twigged it now. You met someone called "Robby" and they convinced you they were really a "Rabbi" but you are so naive and ignorant that you didn't know this person wasn't actually Jewish or a Rabbi.

Oh well. You can only learn from this mistake.
(29) 2007-11-18 22:35:53
New Crusader: Quote



"Antisemitism" is a word invented in Germany to describe hatred against Jews.

If you want a word to express hatred towards Arabs then that word is "Anti-Arab".
— RaviM


You are right in identifying where the phrase 'anti-semitism' came from. Not that it was used incorrectly but in a limited way because, at that time, it was being used to describe the persecution of Jews.

It was always used as a political term, not an ethnic description. But the politics has changed now where the persecution taking place is against Muslim (and Christian) semites not Jews (who are themselves doing the persecuting).

Language always develops socio-politically so it is entire correct to use the term 'anti-semitism' to describe this new wave of persecution by the so-called Christian West.

According to the expert, Dr Gideon, Polya 8 Million Muslims have died in the New Holocaust over the last 16 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. That amounts to genocide and ethnic-cleansing.
(30) 2007-11-19 02:06:26
I Sidat: Quote

Ravi your making no sense at all, Semmitissim was a label used by a british academic to describe arab tribal society this included yiddish people and other forms of muslim arabs like the kurds, these were seen as non-europeans, and non-arabs they were seen as genetically inferior to all other races. I don't think you understand the history of the middle east and europe and the societal genetic science that has developed for centuries. this isn't new this didn't start with hitler this has gone on for centuries.
(31) 2007-11-19 13:45:28
YossiB: Quote



"Antisemitism" is a word invented in Germany to describe hatred against Jews.

If you want a word to express hatred towards Arabs then that word is "Anti-Arab".
— New Crusader


You are right in identifying where the phrase 'anti-semitism' came from. Not that it was used incorrectly but in a limited way because, at that time, it was being used to describe the persecution of Jews.

It was always used as a political term, not an ethnic description. But the politics has changed now where the persecution taking place is against Muslim (and Christian) semites not Jews (who are themselves doing the persecuting).

Language always develops socio-politically so it is entire correct to use the term 'anti-semitism' to describe this new wave of persecution by the so-called Christian West.

According to the expert, Dr Gideon, Polya 8 Million Muslims have died in the New Holocaust over the last 16 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. That amounts to genocide and ethnic-cleansing.
— RaviM


Did Dr Gideon Polya state how many of these 8 million Muslims were killed by Muslims?

We can do a quick estimate.

1m killed in Iraq/Iran war.

350,000 killed by Saddam

If the rubbish "1m killed in Iraq" is taken as true then we can factor some 700,000 Muslims killed by Muslims.

So that's 2m Muslims killed by Muslims.

So is it a self-Holocaust and self-Genocide?

Its no Holocaust.

I researched Dr Polya. His conclusion is NOT what you stated. The conclusions in his paper state this:-

"A major component of global "excess mortality" is that of preponderantly Muslim countries plus the Muslim proportion of other significantly Muslim countries, this Muslim holocaust totalling about 550 million since 1950. "

Clearly, this person is touched. But not with genius!

He also concludes:-

"In summary, using United Nations statistical data, "excess mortality" (essentially, avoidable mortality) has been calculated for all countries for the world for the period 1950-2004. While the total "excess mortality" for the countries of Australasia, North America and Europe totals 54 million, that of the rest of the world is 1230 million"

He needs a better seed for his random number generator!
(32) 2007-11-19 21:12:15
New Crusader: Quote

Oh, oh, here come the Zionist apologists. The 8 Million quoted from Dr Polya concern Muslim mortalities as a DIRECT result of the two Gulf wars by Bush Senior and Bush Junior and the sanctions imposed by Clinton inbetween (1991 to the present).

All your deceitful dodging won't cover that up. Oh, and if you dispute his figures, Yossi, why don't you write him directly?
(33) 2007-11-20 17:00:11
RSD: Quote

I Sidat: Can you identify the British academic who coined / used the word "semitism". As far I can discern this word has no meaning whatsoever. Semite refers to a person who speaks a Semitic language. "Ism" is a suffix for belief or thought. Thus the word "semitism" simply makes no sense as there is no idea of a semitic belief system or philosophy.
The whole codification of peoples by language derives from social-darwinianism which was one of the bedrocks of racist fascism. The idea being that people from certain language groups must be related. The languages of Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan and most of India are Indo-Aryan languages and as such are part of the same group as most European languages. Thus anti-semitism could not rationally be extended to describe a Islamophobia.
(34) 2007-11-20 20:56:54
New Crusader: Quote

Historically, Semites are an ethnic group of people from around the Mesopotamian region. The word 'Semite' most definitely describes an ethnic grouping.

On the other hand, the phrase 'Anti-semitic' appears to have been coined by a German Darwinist to describe the persecution of European Jews who are not ethnically semitic at all but who originate from the ancient kingdom of Khazar, now in southern Russia north of and between the Caspian and Black Sea.

At the time of its coining, the phrase had a limited, political useage. That useage has now been extended to quite properly describe the persecution of truly Semitic peoples from North Africa, the Middle East and western Asia.

It is, therefore, quite correct to describe the New Holocaust against Muslims as anti-Semitic.

Neither the ex-Khazarian Jews or the Zionists have a right of monopoly to the phrase, despite their chutzpah.
(35) 2007-11-21 03:17:20
Samson: Quote

I Sidat: Can you identify the British academic who coined / used the word "semitism". As far I can discern this word has no meaning whatsoever. Semite refers to a person who speaks a Semitic language. "Ism" is a suffix for belief or thought. Thus the word "semitism" simply makes no sense as there is no idea of a semitic belief system or philosophy.
The whole codification of peoples by language derives from social-darwinianism which was one of the bedrocks of racist fascism. The idea being that people from certain language groups must be related. The languages of Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan and most of India are Indo-Aryan languages and as such are part of the same group as most European languages. Thus anti-semitism could not rationally be extended to describe a Islamophobia.
— RSD


That is the best argument I ever read to distinguish between the word "Antisemitism" and the attempts to 'steal' that word to refer to Arabs or Muslims.
(36) 2007-11-21 08:05:12
I Sidat: Quote

Academics like Bengin and cohen, am not refferring to Indo-ARyan am talking about the arab population that are seen as outsiders, the above point about darwinism is an example he reffered to semites as outsiders. It's simple the word semite is used to propagate hatred it seem pretty benevolent that simple statements are taken out of context, if your gonna research do it properly and not inernet sources which seems pretty clear by what you are saying
(37) 2007-11-21 11:38:44
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