I really am gobsmacked by muslims joining in this condemnation of the police on this issue! If you lot had any sense of decency, rather than a shameful desire to bandwagon-jump, you would, at the very least, keep quiet. After all you muslims are directly responsible for this poor brazilian's death - the shooting occurred the day after you muslims attempted to blow up hundreds of your fellow citizens on the tubes and busses, and two weeks after you succeeded, thus the police and the authorities were panicked and on high alert. Yet, instead of holding up your hands and saying "Sorry Guys, we shouldn't have tried to blow you up in the name of our particular sky-pixie religion, we understand why the police were panicked" you join in the police baiting. This is outrageous behaviour on your part. Shame on you muslims, shame on you.

According to the Populus Poll June 2006, interviewing Muslims older than 18:-

"13% of British Muslims think that the four men who carried out the London Tube and bus bombings of July 7, 2005, should be regarded as “martyrs”

7% agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances, rising to 16 per cent for a military target"

So, to suggest ALL Muslims are responsible for, complicit in or support suicide bombing in the UK - is wrong.

Only 13% would support it.

The police were 'spooked' by the actuality that we we under attack by suicide bombers. Their decision to shoot was right and it would be right in the future.

I guarante if you examine any police action in such detail you will find things that went wrong.

I think Blair should go because he's too PC, not tough enough- not because of the errors in the command chain lower down.

Why do you think Livingstone supports him? Because he knows he's 'soft'.

Zesto, your argument is illogical. The police were not right to shoot Jean-Charles since he was an innocent man and they would be wrong to shhot an innocent man in the future. Such mistakes do not inspire public confidence.

A court of law identified 19 separate categoric failures so the man who runs the system should bear responsibility. Separately from the shooting was the systematic lying about Jean-Charles which is well documented. The police are there to uphold the law not lie about their mistakes. They did the same thing after the Forest Gate shooting.

Blair's position is clearly untennable. As for you comment about him being too PC. Get real.

As a member of the Conservative party myself and British Muslim, I proudly support the commissioner and will encourage him to follow through on his policing strategy to make London the safest major city in the world. It is a complete generalisation to state that he has somehow lost the confidence of the public or his own staff, unless there strong evidence to suggest this is the case, it is better to provide evidence than the make sweeping generalisations!

I am sure as he maintains his position as Commissioner; he will help to provide the highest quality of policing to Londoners and ensure we all remain safe. As Len Duvall affirmed,” The case was brought against the Metropolitan Police Service, not against the Commissioner personally or any other officer." It is absurd to then blame the Commissioner for the mistakes at Stockwell. For instance, you would not remove the Chief Army General of the British Armed Forces for his soldiers mistakes, or the Chief Executive of the NHS for the blunders of certain nurses or doctors.

Those of us whom reside in London want more police patrolling and tackling all forms of criminality, whether it is anti-social behaviour or other yobbish behaviour. We want to ensure that we feel secure in our own homes and community and finally that we can feel confident to approach the police if we become victims of crime. The Met under Sir Ian contributed to making London safer and building a sense of trust in the London. We saw the introduction of the Safer Neighbourhoods, which has positively worked in communities across London by speaking with members of that particular local community. Under Sir Ian, we saw the introduction of PCSOs ensuring there is some kind of policing presence. We cannot ignore the fact that Safer Neighbourhoods, which comprises of a dedicated team of officers and police staff who will patrol every neighbourhood, has not help to make some difference to making our streets safer.

All Londoners want to help defeat all forms of extremism and remove the threat of terrorism. I commend the Metropolitan Police Service for the several attacks they have successfully prevented and secured the conviction of a number of radical militants, including Abu Hamza and other preachers. However, the police will have to do more to encourage people from the very many diverse communities which make up the racial mosaic of London, to join the police and contribute to ensuring that we can gain the confidence of the all the communities they serve.

It would certainly be appalling if the Commissioner was removed. He has a great deal to offer the Met and London as a whole. We should recognise that.

David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, has called on Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, to “restore public confidence” by sacking the commissioner. In a letter to Ms Smith, he said: “I regret to say that in view of the systemic failures that led to the death of Mr de Menezes, the public can have little confidence that Sir Ian Blair is the right person to ensure those vital lessons are learnt.

I disagree strongly with David Davis. The Commissioner has made an enormous contribution to London and his many successful achievements as Commissioner must be taken into consideration.

I am sure we all acknowledge the terrible events regarding the death of Brazilian plumber Mr de Menezes who was mistakenly killed at Stockwell Underground Station. Despite this appalling mistake, we cannot claim to have lost confidence in Sir Ian. I certainly recognise that due to the Commissioner being the head of the largest employer in London, he has to bear responsibility for this mistake. However, this has not changed my perception of him as Commissioner and wish him luck in following through his policing strategy. I agree with Ken Livingstone when he asserts so eloquently, "I wouldn’t put the irresponsible politicians attacking the police commissioner within a million miles of running the kind of anti-terror operations London has had to deal with...

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the logic that david has used is the same logic extremists use to commit crimes.
they say since it is christians from america and britain who invaded and attacked iraq then all the deaths are the responsibility of the british and american people.
just as their thinking is demented and perverted so is yours,you and the extemists would make good bedfellows.
you do the crime you do the time not your dad or son.

Taz, given the circumstances and no access to hindsight then the policeman who shot Menezes did his job to the letter of his training. He was NOT part of the chain of error.

Blair never lied. He made statements that he did not know were false based on latest information he didn't have at the time he made HIS statements.

The failure is far below Blair. Should the Home Secretary resign whenever a prison guard makes a mistake? Should the Minister for Health resign when a patient dies due to malpractice in a hospital.

I don't like Blair and think he should go. He's too soft and a wet liberal. Wrong type to run the police.

Mashfiq, I too am puzzled at the Conservatives calling for Blair to quit.

Saves sacking him when the Conservatives get in I'll bet.

I publicly disagree with the Conservative grassroots and senior members of Parliament on this matter. I hope Sir Ian continues to lead the Met in its increasingly successful efforts to reduce crime and to deter and disrupt terrorist activities in London and elsewhere in the UK.

Furthermore, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee should support Sir Ian, who is both a supporter of the Muslim community and has tried his utmost to work with the Muslim community. He out of all his colleagues will be attending this year's GPU event organised by Islam Channel.

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lol ur logic never fails to amuse me.

This is your logic:
You Americans raped 100s of women in Iraq.
You Americans killed 1000s of innocent civilians.
You Britishers demolished 1000s of civilian homes.
You Britishers abused 100s of prisoners of war in inhumane ways.

An instead of u holding up your hands and apologising you continue to do so.
If you lot had any sense of decency, rather than a shameful desire to interfere in other countries with your twisted foreign policies then this whole propaganda of terrorism wouldn’t have been evoked. So, while your troops are still in there blowing up Iraq to bits it is you who should keep silent. After all the bombings occurred after you Americans and British invaded Iraq with your troops to blow up hundreds of innocent civilians.
So, applying your logic, it is you who is directly responsible for the July bombings and this poor Brazilians death. Yet, instead of holding up your hands and saying "Sorry Guys, we shouldn't have tried to blow you up in the name of weapons of mass destruction, we under stand that was just an excuse for us being greedy wanting the oil,’ you join in Muslim baiting. This is outrageous behaviour on your part. Shame on you British and Americans, shame on you.

David, thank you for proving the agenda of media and police state because it sure brain washed you, hasn't it.

911 was never proven first of all that it was Muslims who did it. Let's get this fact straight. Secondly, the war on Iraq was also started with a lie and a lie, that every damn person on the planet knows the agenda for. You either live in planet mars or need to really start checking out, that "YOU MUSLIMS WHO STARTED IT" is actually a syndrome of ignorance and fear.

Out of each leader of so called USA that claimed there as WMD in Iraq, ALL not one, but ALL of them said, "well, we followed orders, I only followed orders and..."

Meaning, "yes, we got it wrong but we are not going to admit it."

The Polcie state works by enciting fear. So does the media. But it shows how impredictable some people are when they don't realise, that Muslims are not keeping quite because they know..

"THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS and everyone kept frigging quite and now they come for everyone but no one is around to stand up."

So David. Take a hike. You either stay in you box of, "it's your fault" or get out of the playground syndrome and really check out the facts."

Forget "MUSLIMS" blowing up. It's become a great tactic and actually part of British History and USA history to "BLOW UP BUILDINGS AND PEOPLE."

So please, let's grow up and really look into this and really see, that if people don't stop acting towards how the media and corrupt politicians want them to, which is, "its your fault" syndrome, then we will be fools and fall right into the trap.

The real TRUTH is - THE POLICE HAD NO RIGHT TO SHOOT HIM. Period. And this is FACT. And soon enough we're going to really see the real agenda.

It sure wasn't about, "terroism." More like enciting more fear on the people.

Maybe David, join Fox news.

Galaxy, this is MPAC UK. So, the thoughts of someone not British seem a bit out of place. Perhaps your comments would have some validity about your own country - but not ours.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the terrorism experienced on 7/7 and the policeman who shot Menezes acted correctly according to the information he had at the time.

If you want to get it down to "Muslims" then "Muslims" had just killed 52 people on the transport system and maimed 700.

Equally, Sauid Muslims perpetrated 9/11 under the orders of the Islamic Terror organisation called Al Qaeda.

Avoidance of fact is often a sign of denial of guilt and compolicity.

It is you who make a mockery of British values with ur comments. If people like u were to start judging who is the more 'British' there would be no morals left to fight for. I suppose u think it was very 'British' of the policeman to shoot down Menezes as he 'acted correctly according to the information he had at the time.' Pray tell is what was that information and does it justify the shooting of an innocent man? Pray tell us why the police who we depend on, who we hold as the law should make a big mistake as that and not be held accountable? Tell us whether someone in such a position of responsibility can afford to harbour such 'information' that leads to the killing of an innocent, tell us whether someone in such a position of responsibilty can afford to make such a big error in judgement.

Will the police be justified in shooting another innocent on the basis of such 'information'. Is that the kind of trust we have come to place in the police, that they cant get their facts right before taking such a big step? Is that the type of policing we should come to expect in the future?

It is your sense of 'Britishness' and thoughts that seem out of place.

Galaxy, you are clearly not British. I am not deducing this as an insult I am deducing it through your own words:-

"You Britishers....."

If you are in the UK then enjoy your stay and send us a postcard from home when you get there.

zesty zesto says 911 was done by muslims it is a fact.
sorry to burst your zionist balloon but the majority of american people beleive their president and vice president had a hand in 911.
todate zesto zionists like yourself have not answered one simple question,which is in the history of tall steel structures name one instance before and since 911 were buildings pancaked within 2 hours of impact by fire or by a plane hitting the building and causing a fire.
we await your answer to this and until then you can keep jumping from one point to another as you are trained to do so.

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'You Britishers' was in reply to Davids 'You Muslims' since he seems to like making categories in his head but why am i explaining this to you as u wouldnt recognise a British if one came and hit u on the face now would u.

I am not deducing this as an insult I am deducing it through your own words.

I wish you had stayed on-topic. However, since you insist on being a "Troofer" I simply re-state that 9/11 was carried-out by 19 Saudi Muslims. Everyone saw the planes fly into the Twin Towers and burn down.

Just explain how the 500,000 people within the chain of command who would need to know someone who knew someone who was asked to be complicit in 9/11 haven't sold their story for $1bn?

You are probably the sort of person who still insists that Jews were warned not to go to work on 9/11.

Go on make a complete fool of yourself.

zesto answer the question and we know like a good trained zionist you will never answer a questionj but with another question.
first you answer the question and then we shall respond,otherwise you can blog to yourself all day long.

Shan while it is clearly a private argument, can you name a single incident where a fully fuelled 747 has slammed into a metal framed tower block since 9/11?
Does this silly squabble have anything do with Ian Blair and whether he should resign or not.