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But here is where the alarm bells start ringing for Muslims. Richard Littlejohn, who would be more appropriate as the subject of a documentary due to his unsavourary and right-wing opinions, particularly against Muslims, is actually the presenter. In this authored documentary, journalist Richard Littlejohn investigates the rise of anti-Semitism in modern Britain. We urge readers to watch the documentary airing on:
Richard Littlejohn on Anti Semitism: The War On Britain's Jews In an interview with Totallyjewish.com on 5th July 2007, Littlejohn made the following comments: Q: From what section of the population? [The reporter was questioning the reaction Littlejohn had experienced when it was revealed he was working on this documentary about anti-Semitism].
RL: "Well this is the thing. The bulk of the hate mail wasn't from people with Islamic-sounding names, although there was plenty of that. But these were from people who had English surnames. And this wasn't just anti-Israel stuff, this was anti-Jewish bile." RL: "No, I had absolutely no idea...when I went up to Manchester for this film; I saw that they were putting on patrols on a Friday night so that the Jews could go to worship without being attacked. It was like when the army had to escort kids to school in Northern Ireland. Except there, the world was horrified. Yet the situation in Manchester is ignored - it's not considered a story. If it was an Islamic school, it would be the lead story on Channel 4 and the BBC, and Panorama’s on about it every night of the week. Yet I didn't even know this existed. The media isn't interested in anti- Semitism." Q: What would you say to people who would just suggest that this is Richard Littlejohn attacking the left and the Muslims as usual? RL: "To borrow an expression, they would say that, wouldn’t they? Anything rather than acknowledge the truth. I couldn't care less. But watch the programme, read the parliamentary report, open your eyes. This is going on." Action For YOU To Take: 1. Richard Littlejohn clearly has a preconceived negative perception of Muslims, so it is in our interest to watch this documentary on Ch4 Monday 9th July at 8pm, titled ‘The War O Britain's Jews’ 2. Ring and email Channel 4 with your comments (be it positive or negative) and urge Channel 4 to commission a documentary on rising Islamophobia and its links to pro-Israel campaigners. Channel 4 contact details: To submit a complaint or positive feedback: Ring Viewer Enquiries: 0845 076 0191 Richard Littlejohn belittles Islamophobia and his comments often suggest that the Muslim community enjoy greater protection than the Jewish community. Try telling that to the hundreds of innocent victims of Police raids, such as brothers Mohammed Abdulkahar, 23, and Abul Koyair, 20, who were arrested in the 2 June 2006 terrifying dawn raid on their home, involving 250 officers. Mohammed Abdulkahar was shot in the shoulder and had thought he was going to be killed by robbers, as usual both were later released without charge or an apology. For those of you who would like an insight into the warped world of Richard Littlejohn here are some choice facts to keep in mind Monday evening:
1. "Islamophobia’ is just another of those catch-all, smear-the-messenger fantasies dreamed up to close down debate and stifle free speech." Daily Mail 'So this is what they mean by moderate voices' by Richard Littlejohn 11th September 2006. 3. On July 22 the Sun's regular columnist Richard Littlejohn came perilously close to inciting hatred against Muslims and Arabs. He justified ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians and made fun of the suffering of millions of Iraqis. "The Palestinians are the pikeys of the Middle East. If they must have a homeland, give them part of Saudi Arabia, because the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians and the Lebanese don't want them either". Immediately after the above paragraph, he writes: "No more hand-wringing. It's time for neck-wringing". 4. Nick Griffin, leader of the far-right BNP, describes Littlejohn as his favourite journalist. 5. Richard Littlejohn admits "that David Aaronovitch accuses his novel [To Hell In a Handcart] of being a recruiting pamphlet for the BNP.” (B Hagerty - British Journalism Review Vol. 18, No. 2, 2007, pages 13-20). 6. "He claims that "the fascist left" are "smearing" him as a bigot. His technique is to make an unambiguously bigoted statement, and then say it has "nothing to do" with bigotry. For instance, he says that in Britain, under "the Blair Terror", "Entire neighbourhoods have been ethnically cleansed - and it's the English who are getting out of town." Then he says - without missing a beat - "But as I keep stressing, this is not about race." I see . . . it's "ethnic cleansing", but it's "not about race"....His arguments crumble even before the sentences end. He claims that two million people leave Britain every year because they are appalled by "mass immigration". So people are so appalled at being forced to live among foreigners that they are . . . going to live among foreigners." Johann Hari's book review of 'Littlejohn's Britain' by Richard Littlejohn source: The New Statesman - 21 May 2007.
7. a) Johann Hari (Journalist and author) has described Richard Littlejohn writing as "far-right propaganda". He has accused him of lying about the b) In 2004, Hari appeared as a guest on Littlejohn's Sky News programme and challenged him about his claims that an asylum seeker could claim hundreds of pounds per week in benefits, stating that the true figure was just £37.77 per week. He later wrote: "I asked Richard how much a single asylum seeker is given in benefits each week. You'd think that a journalist who writes about asylum twice a week would, of course, know something so incredibly basic. His response was clear. He snapped: 'I have no idea'."
8. Richard Littlejohn comments on the recent spate of letter bombs: "I wouldn't lose much sleep if those wicked dupes, like Red Ken The Terrorist's Friend, who 9. His comments on events such as the 1994 Rwandan genocide, about which he wrote: "Does anyone really give a monkey's about what happens in Rwanda? If the Mbongo tribe wants to wipe out the Mbingo tribe then as far as I am concerned that is entirely a matter for them."
10. He has been found by independent broadcasting regulators to be homophobic, frequently using the word "poofs", and often makes disparaging references to gay
   Readers have left 156 comments.
wendy mann:
Interesting that channel 4 have been so open to so many anti muslim programmes and to obvious muslim haters such as martin bright and of course littlejohn.
curious how these people see the hatred of muslims and yet cant see that they are the mirror image of what they complain about. that they in fact encourage and incite people to hate muslims. im wondering why their incitement to hatred doesnt land them in jail , maybe that privilige is only for those who happen to disagree with UK foreign policy or Israels barbarity against the Palestinians.
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2007-07-06 23:29:05
Taz:
Richard Littlejohn's war on Muslims. Can you think of any journalist more unsuitable to cover a serious issue like anti-Semitism? You couldn't make it up.
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2007-07-06 23:45:45
Jewish:
Shut Up MPACUK, you'll use anything Jewish to get your useless causes heard, stop using us!
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2007-07-07 07:04:32
Darren:
It doesn't suprise me that Simon21 of BBC Messageboards has jumped at the chance of commenting about antisemitism given her racist performances there.
I would think that people more suited to make a program about Antisemitism would be Inayat, Asghar or Ken Livingstone. I really don't know why MPAC UK are so upset about this program if they say they are against Antisemitism itself. Why attack the presenter? Why prepare people to barrage comment to Channel Four? Why?
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2007-07-07 08:30:33
Darren:
Just look at one of your own posters on this thread titled "MPAC - Basically Two Brothers Above a Kebaba Shop.
What does Re-Born Jihadi say "He goes on to say/suggest that neither he, nor Nick Cohen are Jewish (which may be true..) when Its quite obvious that not only do they have jewish surnames, but that they are the biggest drumbeaters for the murderous zionazi entity in the ME..... .. ...maybe they are not jewish........but they definitely are zionist pigs" Clearly someone concerned with outing people as Jews based on their surname. As did MPAC UK itself by wrongly calling Fitsimmons Jewish, based on her policies but mainly her name. Put your own house in order! Do you DARE allow criticism of yourself to stay posted?
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2007-07-07 08:58:18
@ Daren:
lol. "Two Brothers"? Isn't it shocking to see Littlejohn resort to such baseless lies?
Regarding the comments of other individuals why should MPACUK be held to account for other peoples comments? I don't believe this documentary will be balanced at all considering this facutually incorrect statement by LittleJohn.
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2007-07-07 10:41:57
Muslim hating racist:
Muslim hating racist - how did he get this commissioned! Is like asking the Klu KLux Klan to d something on Blacks.
This is disgusting!
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2007-07-07 10:47:48
LittleJohn & Israel:
Honestly - how on earth can Little John be unbiased! He is well known in his support of Israel!
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2007-07-07 10:50:16
Darren:
I find it the height of naivety that anyone should comment " how on earth can Little John be unbiased".
Toys R Us are biased, presumably, because they don't sell groceries. MPAC is biased towards supporting Palestinians. We ALL have biases and preferences. So what? We do what we do and support what we support. We shy away from what we don't like. I wouldn't be hiring Inayat Bunglawala to make a program about Antisemitism - because he's biased! The simplicity of some people's thinking never fails to amaze me.
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2007-07-07 11:06:18
Beep Beep:
Lol MPAC would never be allowed to do a Documentary on Jewish Islamaphobia - so please give it a break!
Talk about pathetic comparison "toys are us are biased" - get life!
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2007-07-07 11:24:33
gerald:
Disgraceful that a well know Muslim hater can be allowed to get away with talking about the very people who he hates!
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2007-07-07 11:25:49
@ Daren:
What a joke!
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2007-07-07 11:39:17
Sam:
Darren - a few facts: MPAC and many muslims are anti-zionists, but the zionists try and as usual, falsely accuse us all of being anti-semitic, which is resulting in the real and abhorrant issue of anti-semitism losing credibility.
Littlejohn is known for his Islamophobia, homophobia and racism and on this basis it is highly inappropriate for such a bigot to cover such an important issue as anti-semitism as other commentators have already stated above. He WILL implicate muslims as being anti-semitic, given his prejudices against us. Hence I agree with MPAC and thank them for the alert as we need to be ready to stand up for ourselves and challenge his sweeping generalisations and propaganda against muslims. Ask him if Islamophobia doesn't exist why does no-one care when 40 Iraqis are being killed a day, as a result of the instability forced upon the country following the illegal invasion by the fanatical Zionists Bush and Blair. If Jews or Christians were being killed daily at such a rate, something serious would have been done to step the flow of blood.
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2007-07-07 15:34:35
confused:
I often wonder how people selected to make programmes by channels that are funded by the government can clearly see anti-semitism but can be selective in their own racism and the racism perpetuated against muslims throughout society and media.
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2007-07-07 17:17:59
al:
Littlejohnny is a son of a jewish immigrant. the fact he hates immigrants is besides the point. ability to camourflage allows him to coverty positon himself politically.
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2007-07-07 18:05:23
john:
the programme is not about muslims or islamophobia it is about anti-semitism;why organize against the programme before you have seen it?don't you like the fact that jewish kids have to be escorted to school?what was the reason for boycotting holocaust rememberance?not anti-semitic,only anti-zion/israel?who are you kidding.
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2007-07-07 20:26:57
shhhh:
"whilst MPACUK is anti-Zionist it totally condemns anti-Semitism"
MPACUK is not against the Jews. It is just against their right to hang onto their traditional homeland. It's rather like saying "I am against the existence of Italy, but I totally condemn anti-Italian bigotry". And God forbid, anyone examines Muslim antisemitism! I mean it would be Islamophobic to even mention it. I mean - sure, Iran holds big holocaust denial conferences with David Duke. Sure Ashgar Bukhari sent some cash to David Irving. Sure, you can find copies of the Protocols in any Islamic bookshop...but it would be wrong to mention these things.
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2007-07-07 21:54:30
daughter of patriots:
Perhaps we can ask Farfur the mouse's opinion on the matter? If anyone knows anti-semitism, its that rodent.
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2007-07-07 22:25:17
Lib Dem Voter:
I find it shocking that there is a documentary being produced highlighting antisemitism. What the hell about those Zionists who were dancing themselves celebrating the destruction of Lebanon or the Zionist Students who are going into Israel to kill Palestinian Children?
Will they do a documentary on that? Sure, they won't it would be anti-semitic!!
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2007-07-07 22:30:45
sam:
Here we go again, the zionists are everywhere, Iran organised a conference to discuss the holocaust, BIG difference and there were jews there, so clearly they didn't consider it a holocaust denial event!
No child whether muslim, jewish or catholic etc should have to be escorted to school and it's rich making the comment when zionists are responsible for systemmatic organised disruption of education for the Palestinian children. As for Israel being the JEwish homeland. NONSENSE, IS ALL GOD'S land and the chosen people disobeyed God and therefore never made it to the 'homeland'. How come no matter how much you search you just can't find any archaelogical artifacts to PROVE jews lived in Israel as far back as you claim. Lies and deception are the zionist and Mossad's code of practice. You hate muslims because most of us are not duped by your propaganda. May the proud and decent jewish people fight zionists who are destroying their reputation. Prior to the creation of Israel, the Jewish people used to support the oppressed (eg the black civil rights movement in USA), the zionists have made all decent jews, of which there are many, scared to condemn Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinians and have now become the oppressors. As a decent human being I hate oppressors whatever their religion and the biggest oppressors in the world are the Christian and Jewish zionists and the 'Muslim' dictators who oppress their people for fear of them chosing to live in Islamic states. Much blood is on their hands.
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2007-07-07 22:45:43
Lib Dem Voter:
Why is it that there is outrage to see Jewish individuals escorted by security people but no outrage when their fellow followers of Judaism attack palestinian children on the way to school.
Surely both should be condemned? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYyWg9Z8I7k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO28p-yaTVY Which one should be condemned? I say both but I very much doubt the likes of Louise Ellman would do that. I'll let you guys decide which one she would condemn.
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2007-07-07 23:31:25
Darren:
Interesting that the debate turned to Israel and "Zionists" when the program is about Antisemitism In Britain.
What you all demonstrate is that the Parliamentary Commission on Antisemitism chaired by Ian Duncan Smith earlier this year was correct in recording that the rise of Antisemitic attacks included those from Muslims and by radical groups on campus. Were they wrong too? That was preceded by the EU Report from two years ago that concluded the rise was due to Muslims from North Africa. Are they wrong? There have been convictions of Islamic preachers in the UK for Antisemitic hate (amongst other offences). Are the juries wrong? I note that LittleJohn is denigrated as "the son of Jewish immigrant". A complete lie because Littlejohn himself states he isn't Jewish. He should know! Someone thinks the program is "bound to be biased" even though it hasn't been broadcast. Read your collective comments and ask yourselves why they all record fear or attack. You will find that Galloway is the most rabid supporter of the Palestinians and hater of Israel. Yet I have heard him several times destroy Antisemites who call his program. Yes you can be Anti-Zionist but accept that non-Jews have no qualifications to determine whether something is Antisemitic. You can only determine your own intentions.
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2007-07-08 07:44:43
A Law against Religious Discrimi:
Richard Littlejohn, like much of the Daily Sun and whatever else Pervert Murdoch publishes caters to the mental level of Griffin's party and it is no wonder he is supportive of Jews who encourage the trash of British society to sacrifice their lives for Oil and Israel whilst living comfortably themselves in Golders Green.
Why is there no law in the UK against discrimination on religious identity in employment etc despite the proclamations of ministers? Each time an attempt is made to legislate the Jewish and Hindu lobbies ( such as Prof Desai of LSE) start ranting and raving against such laws since Jews themselves are protected by race-laws as are Hindus . Whilst Jews have perfected playing victim into an "art form" by coining perverse oxymoron terms such as the "fascist left" all Muslims are forced to do is to bear the blame from the poor "victim" Jews who get exposed and humiliated (not by Muslims unfortunately but by neutral Christian press and media ) for devouring the BCCI, for plunging the UK into the first and second gulf wars, for setting up fake attacks on synagogues, for trying to make a case against Pakistan for having the bomb and for pretending that Isreal's recent defeats in Gaza and Lebanon were actually victories. The poor Jews. What do they expect from us Muslims after openly committing genocide on Muslim children?
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2007-07-08 08:27:32
A Law against Religious Discrimi:
Richard Littlejohn, like much of the Daily Sun and whatever else Pervert Murdoch publishes caters to the mental level of Griffin's party and it is no wonder he is supportive of Jews who encourage the trash of British society to sacrifice their lives for Oil and Israel whilst living comfortably themselves in Golders Green.
Why is there no law in the UK against discrimination on religious identity in employment etc despite the proclamations of ministers? Each time an attempt is made to legislate the Jewish and Hindu lobbies ( such as Prof Desai of LSE) start ranting and raving against such laws since Jews themselves are protected by race-laws as are Hindus . Whilst Jews have perfected playing victim into an "art form" by coining perverse oxymoron terms such as the "fascist left" all Muslims are forced to do is to bear the blame from the poor "victim" Jews who get exposed and humiliated (not by Muslims unfortunately but by neutral Christian press and media ) for devouring the BCCI, for plunging the UK into the first and second gulf wars, for setting up fake attacks on synagogues, for trying to make a case against Pakistan for having the bomb and for pretending that Isreal's recent defeats in Gaza and Lebanon were actually victories. The poor Jews. What do they expect from us Muslims after openly committing genocide on Muslim children?
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2007-07-08 09:11:00
still confused:
I often wonder how people selected to make programmes by channels that are funded by the government can clearly see anti-semitism as racism but can be selective in their own racism and the racism perpetuated against muslims throughout society and media.
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2007-07-08 10:18:17
still confused:
There are also many palestinian children who have to be escorted to school in the land that is now occupied by their oppressors but they still get shot dead whilst on the way to school adn would do so even if their parents provided an armed guard.
True that children of jewish parents are not responsible in any way and should be allowed to go to school unhindered, but what is there to stop a person thinking that this is just a publicity sympathy seeking stunt?
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2007-07-08 10:23:35
Steven:
I find it utterly disgusting that Channel 4 placing him to make this documentary, with comments such as these
"Does anyone really give a monkey's about what happens in Rwanda? If the Mbongo tribe wants to wipe out the Mbingo tribe then as far as I am concerned that is entirely a matter for them." If he doesn't give a monkey about people killing then what monkeys does he give about antisemitism? I find it rather hypocritical.
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2007-07-08 19:54:53
tayab:
Littlejohn is a just a stupid bigot. I remember when he got wasted by HT's Imran Waheed and was left without a leg to stand on
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2007-07-08 20:29:30
RSD:
If MPACUK is committed to an egalitarian society in which everyone's human rights are respected then it should openly deplore the fact that Jews going to pray on a Friday night or during Saturday should be subject to violence, or that their property should be vandalised by anti-semites. None of this can be justified by references to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
For those of you far too young to remember, prior to the 1970's a significant proportion of religious Jews were critical of Israel, or in direct opposition to Zionism. But nothing silenced them or drove them into the arms of the Zionists more than the terrorist attacks upon them, especially attacks upon Jews during prayer services. As the programme has yet to be screened may I suggest that we all stay calm until we have seen it. None of us may find Mr. Littlejohn a sympathetic individual, but if what he reports proves to be factual then all of us must condemn the violence without reservation. If we do not do so then we can hardly complain about Islamophobic violence.
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2007-07-09 09:18:39
shhhh:
Sam said
"As for Israel being the Jewish homeland. NONSENSE, IS ALL GOD'S land and the chosen people disobeyed God and therefore never made it to the 'homeland'" On the other hand, the Qu'ran says "we said to the children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)" and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both up together to judgment." Either way, Sam, Jews have an undeniable link to that land. This isn't going to change because of your offensive religious beliefs.
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2007-07-09 11:31:14
DC:
The reactionary, nasty, rabid, fascist Littlejohn in a lecture to the nation about anti-semitism? Now I have heard it all.
Channel 4 - you can surely not get much lower than this. Shame on you. I won't hold my breath for a documentary allowing a comeback for everyone smeared and trashed, nor will I hold my breath for 'The War on Britain's Muslims'. That just wouldn't be following the right script, would it? Your agenda is transparent and it's getting very tired.
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2007-07-09 13:05:19
Africana:
@ Darren:
There have been convictions of Islamic preachers in the UK for Antisemitic hate (amongst other offences). Are the juries wrong? How many mosques have you attended? My best friend an Imam was expelled from Europe because the Pinocchio/pidocchio of Egypt - Magdi Allam went and told the newspaper that he was preaching extremism this Imam a well travelled theologian would say: " if you want to know about religion I can help anything else go to the administration". We discussed archetecture, politics, culture, tradition, sports, cars ..... and this imam was expelled Guess what did Magdi Allam get - Vice director of some hydra headed bitch media. If you want to talk about European juries go to the Flying Imam site and read the European Charter of Islam by some thug/moron called Solomon HILARIOUS Stuff
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2007-07-09 15:31:51
Taz:
The oldest Zionist trick in the book apart from lying about the history Palestine, is to conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Everyone knows this including all Jews (Zionists and anti-Zionists alike). Many anti-Zionist Jews have pointed this out themselves and are indeed some of the bravest critics of Israel because they are then labelled as "self hating". Littlejohn is a talentless half-wit whose crowning achievment was to be a Sun "columnist". A postion he used to espouse his vile rhetoric he then went on to work for the Daily Mail. This is what he said about Faye Turney, the captured British sailor...
"How long before the ludicrous Faye Turney pops up on Celebrity Fat Club? I bet they didn't let her get in the dinghy first. This is a woman who is capable of capsizing the Ark Royal if she shifts her weight to the wrong cheek." This explains everything you need to know about Littlejohn the man who single-handedly manages to shame even the lowly ragarded profession of journalism. Why should Channel 4 even entertain the notion of sullying their name by hiring this Islamophobic buffoon?
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2007-07-09 15:44:47
People of The Book:
Shalom-Salaam
Jewish, you say: "Shut Up MPACUK, you'll use anything Jewish to get your useless causes heard, stop using us!" Jewish - Richard Littlejohn is using we Jews to further his own 'exposure' and 'acceptance' - but he's not someone who cares equally across the board - he's homophobic, immigrant-o-phobic, asylum-seeker-o-phobic, Islamophobic, and, importantly, if Littlejohn had been alive and writing for the Daily Mail between 70-102 years ago, he would be have been Judeophobic. Every attack against Halal, is a concealed attack against Kashrut - we're not stupid - we've seen this before. Lehit PoTB
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2007-07-09 19:32:35
With Friends like Littlejohn...:
Shalom-Salaam to ALL
With Friends Like These... By FANIA OZ-SALZBERGER Originally published January 6, 2007 CE An Israeli gal like me cannot afford to be too picky about her friends, certainly not in Europe. Recent European polls proclaimed Israel the single most dangerous country on earth, the guiltiest monger of global conflict, and, to crown it all, the least desirable place to live. Most Israelis, busy with their thriving economy under a warm Mediterranean sun, tend to forgive such pronouncements coming from dismal Düsseldorf and snowbound Stockholm. But a new challenge has now cropped up. We seem to have gained new European friends, and not quite for the right reasons. These new pro-Israel voices base a love of Jews upon the hatred of Muslims. Last September the European Coalition for Israel convened in Brussels, its most prominent speakers lamenting the loss of European Jewry alongside the rise of European Islam. The tone was belligerent, the linkage crude: "The enemies of Israel are also a threat to Europe," delegates were told. And also: "In only two generations, most parts of Europe will be under Islamic law." Other self-declared friends grimly speak of Londonistan and augur the coming of the European Caliphate. Such statements may reflect genuine concern, but are disconcerting when made on European soil. Unlike the late Oriana Fallaci, whose commitment to the Jews stemmed from her heroic anti-Fascist youth, and whose harsh critique of Islam came from an enraged liberal soul, many of these new friends are Muslim-bashers first and Israel-backers second. Their blanket condemnation of Muslim communities on their continent rings eerily familiar. Their sweeping verdict against a whole civilization has that strange déjà-vu feel. And their rather sudden nostalgia for Europe's lost Jews is, I'm sorry to say, far too late and somewhat suspect. As the Mishna wisely warns, "Any love that depends upon some thing, when that thing is no more, the love is no more." You see, we have a very long experience with human relationships. I, for one Israeli, would be grateful to my newfound buddies if their sympathy for me did not rely on the trashing of another religion. Unlike them, I'm touched by the sight of young Muslim women in European university campuses. They remind my of my own grandmother, a student in Prague who had to flee after the Nazi rise to power, and of all the other young and hopeful Jews whose dreams and lives were shattered by the European culture they so admired. I will therefore not solicit support based on unqualified dislike of other human groups, least of all on the continent that kicked out my grandparents. To be sure, Israelis could use more friends in Europe: sober, reliable, critical friends. And Europeans who care to look find some of their own best ideas well-implemented in Israel, from the rule of law to the bright application of technology for human well-being. They can trace their own literary, artistic and musical traditions flourishing among the country's diverse cultural origins. Most important, they may realize that gaining Israel's ear can yield political fruit and bring Europe closer to Middle Eastern peacemaking: Ask the German government, whose sensitive involvement in the aftermath of the second Lebanon war makes good footing for future diplomacy.<br/><br/>Jewish people have a long memory, whereas the European Union often seems short of the asset. It may be our role to remind today's Europeans of the medieval past, the great centuries when Islam was young, tolerant to minorities and philosophically minded. There would be no Maimonides, no glorious Sephardi Jewish tradition, without the Arab world. Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad may be threatening the existence of Israel today, but no Muslim power has ever dealt the Jews such calamities as brought upon them by Europe. Israelis probably deserve a better European opinion, warranted by our history, culture, science and freedom. Not for being the targeted foes of Islam. Beware of Islamophobes bearing gifts. Ms. Oz-Salzberger is director of the Posen Research Forum for Political Thought and senior lecturer at the Faculty of Law and School of History at the University of Haifa Lehit PoTB
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2007-07-09 20:06:00
islam:
this guy is winging yet again, he is a well known pro-jewish activist supposed even handed journalist. over the years his journalism has decided to ignore racism on any other race, but instaed has only ever focuses on alleged jewsish racism. starnge isnt it for an alleged abti-racism concerend journalist ?
If he is so concerned of racism, why does he make broadcasts only about alleged jewish racism. why noy anti-muslim racism, or black racism ? hes obviously in another world of his own. He should be SACKED as incompetant In anycase where is that racism ? i dont see it.. where are the jewish gettos ? where is jewish unemployement ? there is none ! In fact it is the jewish racism upon US that we should notice. Notice how the jews own most of the business, notice how they own the media etc how come... answer by positive racism for themselves. that how.
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2007-07-09 21:03:32
azar:
This outrageous "program" just goes to prove how jews have been able to warp and hijack the Uk and US, and foreign policy dictated by big business ?
You could never recognise a jew because they do not have symbols of separation, their black clothes, beard etc are not are they ?. and you cant even criticise them for fear of losing your job ! ourageous ! and a soldier being kidnapped, ooh dear , a solider kidnapped by his enemy ? now that is bad.
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2007-07-09 21:11:11
Taz:
Just watched the programme. It was even worse than I expected. Littlejohn was using the services of a Zionist outfit called Memri which deliberately mistranslates the words of Arabs to foster hatred of them.
Did anyone else notice his assumption that there is a "latent anti-Semitism" amongst British Muslims? Is this not in itself a racist attitude? Because we are Muslim, we are actually anti-Semitic whether we realise it or not? He is trying to treat us like children. He mentions Israel without mentioning the countless human rights abuses carried out by the apartheid state. He talks to Lorna Fitzsimmons but doesn't mention that she is now the head of BICOM, another Zionist organisation. Do you think he forgot to do that? The segment where he talks about boycotting businesses that support Israel was cringe-worthy. I actually felt a little embarrassed for him. he really should go back to writing for The Sun. At least his readership would appreciate him then. Never forget that Littlejohn referred to the Palestinian people as "the pikeys of the Middle-East". He is an Islamophobe.
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2007-07-09 22:12:38
Shirin:
Salams,
To help Muslims counter such propagnda people should donate, no matter how small, to MPACUK. A small regular donation wouild be even better. There's no point in giving it to the MCB or BMF.
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2007-07-09 22:18:31
People of The Book:
Islam: "In fact it is the jewish racism upon US that we should notice. Notice how the jews own most of the business, notice how they own the media etc how come... answer by positive racism for themselves. that how."
You've been reading anti-Jewish conspiracy rubbish - and what's more, you can't substantiate your claim, because it just isn't true.
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2007-07-09 23:22:49
Andrew:
@ Taz - I'd be fascinated if you can point out a single Memri mistranslation.
They are certainly selective in what they translate, but if muslims didn't make the stuff they translate it would not be there to translate. Accuusing them of mistranslation is a very serious accusation, I trust you will back it up with examples.
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2007-07-10 00:07:53
Jav:
I am sad that Channel 4 decided to broadcast this, in many ways, a very biast, one sided programme. The most upsetting thing I found was that they decided to use a bigot, Richard Littlejohn, to present this sensitive issue. I take exception to Littlejohn trying to tarnish anyone who uses their right of freedom of speech to speak up for palestians as anti-semitism, I think this single point causes more anti-semitic feeling that anything else. He did not even explain that the arabs are semites aswell. I am sure there are people with antisemitic views and this needs to be highlighted but I felt that he tried to generalise about muslims. I am a muslim and I am involved in a radio station for jews and muslims called radio salaam shalom in bristol. There is also another british iniative - aleph alif UK which is a organisation of british jews and muslims. There has been a very sucessful jewish/muslim women's conference take place and many other projects - when researching for this programme surely Littlejohn should have come across this? Why didn't he mention this? I know a muslim family that live in a jewish area of manchester and they have nothing but good things to say about their jewish neighbours and told me that there has never been any problems between the muslims or jews that they know and they often pop into each others houses and share food. Having worked with Jews, some of which are Israelis I do not think that this programme reflected their views, as they are also critical of Israel - does this make them antisemitic? Life for muslims has become very difficult since 9/11 - muslims face daily abuse both verbal and physical, muslims have been attacked and killed on the streets of Britain, women have been spat at and their hijabs pulled off, and I worry about the future of my children in this atmosphere. Even the funny/strange looks you get when out and about have a detrimental affect on one's confidence -why don't the likes of Littlejohn and melanie philips highlight this, instead of muslim-bashing all the time? I do not feel that this programme has done anything to help jewish relationships with other communities in Britain - may be this is what they want so that british jews feel threatened and decide to move to Israel, as one of the interviewees suggested. I am sad that hate filled, racist people like Richard Littlejohn are given time and chosen to present such programmes.
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2007-07-10 02:04:26
shhhh:
Jav - I didn't hear him say - or even imply - that speaking up for the Palestinians is antisemitism.
If anything he gave too much attention to the totally unrepresentative "Anti-Zionist Jews" from the far left. Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism....but it is a manifestation of anti-semitism. Nobody who argues against the Jews having their homeland and defending it, can claim they aren't racist against the Jews. This basic logic can also extend to self-hating Jews and to those who hate Israel as a "fashionable cause" without really thinking about it. Unconscious anti-semitism and institutionalised anti-semitism are just as awful as any kind of anti-semitism. "Speaking up for the Palestinians" is not the same thing as Anti-zionism. Zionists can be left wing, right wing, hardline, moderate, progressive, reactionary, liberal, conservative, religious, secular, Jewish, Christian, Muslim or atheist. The only unifying factor is that they all support the right of Israel to exist. Many, in fact I dare say, most Zionists would love a Palestinian state to exist, if it was part of situation that ended war rather than further endangered Israel. Some may argue that the (re)establishment of Israel was unfair, but Israel was not the only country to be created at that time. It was the only country with a Jewish - rather than Arab majority, but it only represents a mere 6% of the Al Sham / Greater Syria region. Nowadays, the fact that 94% of the land went to Arabs has been obscured by the Palestinian Nationhood... not that a distinct Palestinian nationality was an issue before the six day war. Indeed the 1964 version of the PLO charter explicitly states that the Palestinians did not want the West Bank or Gaza (something they hastily changed when those areas fell to Israel). The invention of Palestinian nationalism was a masterstroke. Instead of the Arabs having 94% of the land, it was the Palestinians who had zero percent of the land. Another conveniently forgotten truth is that nearly half of the area we in the West historically called "Palestine" is in today's Jordan, Syria & Lebanon. The Palestinians, of course, only want the bits controlled by Israel, not the 79% of British Mandate Palestine that the British gave to Hashemite Arabs from Saudi Arabia. Is the boycott "antisemitic"? Yes - in a world where China, Cuba, Iran, Saudi, Russia & Zimbabwe are totally unmolested by boycotts, it is antisemitic to single out the (saintly in comparison) "Jew country". By the way, why do Muslims hate Israel more than Russia??? Russia has killed millions more Muslims in battle and occupies many Muslim lands. Think about that for a while! Okay - so Russia's treatment of Chechnya doesn't justify anything in Gaza, so what about the treatment of the Palestinians? All I can say is, that Israel & the Palestinians are at war. We can't sit back and judge their behaviour as though it was some sort of genteel cricket match. Yes the Palestinians freedom of movement is inhibited. Why? because before the checkpoints and wall, Hamas, the Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade & Islamic Jihad were attempting suicide bombs on a daily basis. Does Israel attack Hamas in Gaza? Yes - when Hamas fire rockets at Israel. Israel made peace with Egypt and gave them back occupied land. This happened when Egypt recognised Israel's right to exist and promised peace. The same will hopefully happen with the Palestinians. If they stop the terrorism and recognise Israel, they'll get a homeland annd both sides will get peace. Until then it's war for them, antisemitism for the Jews.
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2007-07-10 04:01:16
Paul:
Whether you agree or disagree with the program the issues raised from it are serious.
This being that what ever opinion/side you postion yourself with there is a lot of the 'pot calling the kettle black' on all sides. Until this is recognised and conceded then it is hard to make progress. For me, the comments on this blog clearly illustrate my point.
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2007-07-10 09:53:23
People of The Book:
al: "Littlejohnny is a son of a jewish immigrant. the fact he hates immigrants is besides the point. ability to camourflage allows him to coverty positon himself politically."
Littlejohn is not Jewish, nor is he a shape-shifting lizard. Littlejohn is a right-wing sleazy bigot. Littlejohn is a yobo, a minority bashing yobo. By contrast, Michael Winner is the son of Jewish immigrants. His opinion on Littlejohn in 1994 had to be *bleeped*: Michael Winne calls Littlejohn a rude word! wikipedia reveals that "Johann Hari accused Littlejohn of bein obsessed with homosexuality, joking about gay-bashing, and the murder of homosexuals and of comparing homosexuality with paedophilia and extreme fetishes. Littlejohn has not taken up Hari's invitation to sue. Newcastle-based adult comic Viz has, over the years, featured several satirical mock newspaper columns written by a journalist named "Richard Little****". The intended resemblance to Littlejohn is obvious, with the articles featuring exaggeratedly racist, homophobic and generally bigoted opinions and comments. One column implied that Littlejohn's homophobic obsession may be because Littlejohn is himself a repressed homosexual. On 19 December 2006, in the aftermath of the Ipswich murders of five women, Littlejohn wrote a column on the events which many, including usually loyal Daily Mail readers, found offensive and insensitive. He described the victims of the murderer as "disgusting, drug-addled street whores" and their deaths as "no great loss". He added that for prostitutes, being murdered is "an occupational hazard" stemming from their own "free choice" Wiki on Littlejohn"
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2007-07-10 10:12:40
K. Urban:
Richard Littlejohn is a right-wing thug a who, had he been around during Hitler's time, would be putting the verbal jackboot in to the Jews.
In short, he kicks those who are getting a knuckle sandwich from the world already. He has no time for the oppressed, the poor - he considers them losers. And he knows what to say to earn himself the most money. He sides with the winners. What he does not realise is that those who are standing up for the Muslims would also have stood up for the Jews when they were being killed by the Nazis. It's called having a conscience, something that the inhumane Littlejohn had amputated long ago. For more of an insight into this good-time bully read the very fair article on him in Wikipedia.
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2007-07-10 10:47:32
Dan the Man:
I admire the way the Jewish propaganda machine works. You wont find a Muslim on a Jewish site commenting on forums. During the invasion of Lebanon Israel students were urged to flock to forums around the world to try and show support for the invasion. You wont find a Muslim on the Jeruselum post but you will find Jews on Al Jazeera.
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2007-07-10 11:09:57
Paul:
Dan the Man illustrates my earlier point very nicely.
I suggest you go and look at groups on facebook. Both Jews and Muslims are gulity of what you point out. Please can we have some balance in this argument.
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2007-07-10 11:36:24
Dave Dunn:
The documentary was Just typical 'clap trap' from Little John.
It was basically a dig at Liberals, Leftists and Muslims. How surprising, he never once mentioned the pro-Israeli rallies that attracted over 60,000 Israeli sympathisers in Hyde park last year. Typical and totally one sided rubbish from Little John once again. Once again, he panders to his Jewish paymasters by making this propaganda video.
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2007-07-10 12:30:38
Sun Reader:
Seethe!Gnash!Writhe!What a revolting discussion! Some of the most unpleasant comments I've seen in a long time. I'm always shocked, but rarely surprised any more, by the racist venom poured forth from the majority of comments on this site. Is this a Jew-hating site or a civil rights group for Muslims?No need to answer: Don't you know G-d is watching and sees the hatred in your hearts?Yours, Disgusted of Brum
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2007-07-10 12:44:17
martin boyask:
I think the totally non-Jewish RL was both brave and quite mild, considering that he could have said things like Jews don't go around blowing up trains and airports all that much. Nor do they preach that their rival religions must convert of be killed. (Or in the case of the extreme right, should convert and still be killed.)I also think it is impossible to get representative truth displayed on a site like this becasue everyone just rolls out their own preformed, ready to swallow prejudices.
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2007-07-10 14:38:42
Fatima Noor:
All I can say is go for it MPAC its so obvious people are starting to see that Muslims are slowly gaining more and more power. At the end of the day if we get annoyed by comments from someone as pathetic and ill mannered as LittleJohn we wont get far. Let this give us the fuel to inshaallah move on to bigger and better things. But it is equally as important to complain C4 about airing these types of programmes. LittleJohn is blatant that he hates Muslims whereas C4 claims it does not have any faith issues so what justifys airing this.
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2007-07-10 14:43:07
Sun Reader:
“When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”
Dr Martin Luther King 1969
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2007-07-10 15:58:32
Jim:
He was kind to Asghar Bukhari.
Not revealing that he was a funder of the Nazi Holocaust denier David Irving.
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2007-07-10 16:11:00
Hari:
How dim was Asghhar getting caught by the cameras at the Rochdale count.
He really should stay way from microphones.
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2007-07-10 16:22:10
Taz:
"Hari" I don't think Asghar Bukhari got "caught out" on camera since this footage seems to be from the MPAC documentary "Operation Muslim Vote" and the camera crew were following him around. Why would he want to hide what he did? He managed to unseat a Zionist MP. Where's the shame in that. Now who's dim?
Fitzsimmons always goes on about the leaflet incident as a classic case of anti-Semitism. The trouble is I read MPAC had got the leaflet withdrawn by the local Muslims who produced it and they issued an apology to Fitzsimmons when they were told of the factual error. Now I don't know about you but that doesn't seem to be the actions of hardcore anti-Semites to me. It seems like a genuine mistake. That does not stop the likes of Fitzsimmons playing the "anti-Semitic card" but that says more about her than it does about MPAC. I'm glad they do what they do. We should all unite in combatting anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
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2007-07-10 16:44:13
Hari:
The new Rochdale MP has exactly the same position on Israel as the last one did.Ie Two State solution.
I tell you what. I've never been an Islamophobe. Nor have I funded Nazis or sent cheques to an anti semitic Holocaust denier. Dim Asghar did.
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2007-07-10 17:00:51
ROB:
The anti-semitism card cannot be used again and again when the truth of the matter is that 90 per cent of semitic people in the world are arabs.
around 80 per cent of jews in the world are ashkenazi jews who have no semitic blood in them,so why do people fall for this lie. if we use the majority perogative then jews are not a semitic race,arabs have more right to be called semitic than jews do. what is so sad is when a ashkenazi jew tells a semitic arab that he is being anti-semitic,its bad enough they have taken their lands and homes,now they are trying to take their racial identity as well.
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2007-07-10 17:05:45
Dillon:
Rob,
Dont be silly. Anti semitism has come to mean hatred of Jews. Words change there meaning all the time. Most black people arent black.etc etc.
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2007-07-10 17:09:09
confused:
Sun Reader: You are surpised by the racist venom on this website. Maybe you could give some examples. The only racism I have seen on this site and in the media is against the muslims.
Try as you might to portray the muslims as racists, the truth is that the real racists have always been and still are white.
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2007-07-10 17:37:06
Paul:
Wekk we didnt have to wait too long did we
A David Duke/Bruce Breedng Nazi site gets posted.
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2007-07-10 17:58:41
ROB:
sorry dillon you are the one being silly, it is a tried and tested trick when confronted with reality try and twist it to your way of thinking.
people are called black because their colour is of a darker shade. what you are saying is like a white man saying i am black and black have no right to the word black,so all the laws preventing racist abuse apply to me only,you are not black,even though i am white people consider me black not you. in anyones book that is twisted logic.
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2007-07-10 18:12:26
fingal:
Thank you Trev. Your letter to Ch4 as printed here confirms Littlejohn's points very nicely.
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2007-07-10 18:34:10
Paul:
Well Trev.
You seem to have made Littlejohns point for him. So many inaccuracies I dont know where to start. Suffice to say,any letter with the claim that Rupert Murdoch is a Jew will go straight in the bin.And rightly so.
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2007-07-10 18:35:47
hudson:
No comment on the train and hospital bombers then?
Ok, how come nobody has mentioned that the leader of the parliamentary committee, John Mann, and the entire committee itself,were obviously fully in tune with Littlejohn's thoughts? And had been so well before the programme was devised? How come nobody mentions that vastly more Palestinians/Arabs have been killed by other Palestinians/Arabs than by any Israelis? Hammas kills Fatah, Shite kills Sunni, Saddam killed millions. Hundreds of Muslims died in the Twin Towers and in Bali. God [that strange figment of the human imagination] knows how many Palestinians were killed by Jordanians and Syrians.
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2007-07-10 18:40:55
Helen:
"confused" said:
"Try as you might to portray the muslims as racists, the truth is that the real racists have always been and still are white " Erm excuse me Mr(s)Oxy-Moron.. you really don't get it do you?
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2007-07-10 19:10:52
hudson:
That is because of pure jealousy and envy. The land allocated to Israel in 1948 was 60% arid desert. Through sheer hard work and brains they made it blossom.(After fighting off 7 Arab armies.]
The equivalent in Arab-dom? When Israel pulled out of recently Gaza, a handful of US businessmen including Bill Gates[not noticeably Jewish, our Bill] bought the fabulous greenhouse business from the departing Israelis in order to give it, free, to the Palestinians. $13 million-worth. With a couple of days the local Palestinians looted and destroyed the greenhouses, which would have been a multi-million dollar annual income for Gaza. Real smart that! Israel produces life saving medicines and technology. The Palestinians produce Kassam rockets. Pure, unadulterated jealousy. The Palestinians live in run-down cities they call "camps"? Ask them where all the aid money has gone, that would have kept the towns in good nick. Try their leaders' bank accounts for a start. Yeah, blame it all on the Israelis - otherwise the Palestinians have to start looking in the mirror.
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2007-07-10 19:11:50
Taz:
Aren't the twin true ironies of the programme that Littlejohn is a racist making a programme about an intrinsically racist state that is claiming it is suffering from racism?
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2007-07-10 19:17:42
Paul:
There we go taz proving Litllejohns point.
"racist state that is claiming it is suffering from racism" It was about Jews and anti semitism Not Israel and anti Zionism. Confusing for you Taz?
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2007-07-10 19:20:49
trev:
love to know exactly what paul and finglas mean by i made littlejohns point for him. Which point is that. and where exactly are the inaccuracies paul. Everything in here I have checked time and again, any errors will be menial so I think you are just lloking to defend something without any reasonable defence with which to do so. Am I to presume that you are saying I am anti simitic, because I can safely say I am not. The fact that I choose to back up a particular argument against people from asny background that would suggest genocide in writing or otherwise does not mean I am anti their people. I dislike national socialist germany. Does not mean I am anti germany. i dislike Pol Pot does not relate to me disliking Cambodia. but if you pick apart anyones word enough you will find something you can pick on. I abhor right wing fascists. I do not attend the gay scene but I abhor homophobics. I am not attatched to a single mother I know of but I choose not to pick on them nor am I a friend of any particular asylum seeker I can think of but but I do not place blame at their door for everything but leeches like Littlejohn not only do all of the above but they are also granted airtime with which to impress their disgusting fascist opinions on young minds.
Now tell me where i make his point for him guys and moreso paul tell me in your infinite knowlege where my inaccuracies are. by the way Paul you're so knowlegeable on how much more syria wiped out than israel. does that make israel right. How about this in the first three years in Iraq we wiped out twice as many people in Iraq than Sadaam did in 25 years. Does that make what sadaam did right? does it make what we did right? does it make what israel did right?
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2007-07-10 19:25:42
paul:
Murdoch Jewish?
How many died in Armenia?
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2007-07-10 19:33:24
paul:
Murdoch Jewish?
How many died in Armenia?
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2007-07-10 19:33:37
hudson:
But when you say "we", you mean US and British serviceman? You seem to forget that most Iraquis are wiped out by other Iraquis or other Arab insurgents, claiming their brand of Islam is better than the victims' brand of Islam.
I can't recall a mob of United Synagogue members ever going on a murderous rampage against Federation Synagogue members, and then blaming the Hindus.
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2007-07-10 19:36:23
trev:
It has been said time and again that murdoch is Jewish and I am sure we have all seen the pictures of him in his jewish skullcap, also at the wailing wall, also his constant pro israel views that he loves so much to tell us about.
Erm paul read your history 12 million armenians wiped out. And regardless even if I was wrong on those two points, I rely on information in so called reputable sources like the BBC, ITV, Wikepedia, The national history archives, the terezin concentration camp archives (I have also been to that and several other concentration camps (can you say the same?, I'll bet you can't even tell me who invented the concentration camp), the times, financial times, should I really go on and still besides that if I was still wrong on those two points, I make littlejohns point for him where exactly?
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2007-07-10 19:44:52
paul:
Rupert Mordoch is not Jewish.
The highest estimate for the Armenian genocide is 1.5 million. Now go and correct the rest.
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2007-07-10 19:49:34
hudson:
The Brits invented the concentration camp, in Africa I believe.
However, Still no comment on my mention of the John Mann parliamentary commission independently being in full agreement with Littlejohn? Ah well, never let the facts stand in the way of a good Jew-bashing, eh!
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2007-07-10 19:50:43
paul:
By the way.
Who has said "time and time again that Murdoch is Jewish" An illustration of Littlejohns point I think.
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2007-07-10 19:51:06
hudson:
Technically, under Rabbinical law, Murdoch would seem to be Jewish, because his mother was an orthodox Jew and that is all that matters in Jewish law. So what? Hitler had Jewish blood him him too.
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2007-07-10 19:58:32
confused:
Helen
Are you trying to confuse me with words like oxy moron?
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2007-07-10 20:03:55
trev:
no hudson when I say we I mean the so called coalition of the willing. Our killings apply to half of that figure. The point is not valid. It is still because of our intervention that the deaths are happening. It is an old trick of invasion to have the population fighting amongst itself. it means long term occupation and therefore longterm financial benefits to the likes of haliburton, carlyle group. did you know that there are now more private contractors who did'nt even have to bid by the way in iraq than there are troops?
I don't understand your point about one group of jewish fighting with another, but history has it well documented about one sect or another of jewish murdering others. If i were you I would look up the history of the gush emunim for a start for just one example of one jewish sect fighting another. but I do not see the relevance of your point.there are plenty of examples of christians wiping out christians, muslims wiping out muslims, jews wiping out jews. the fact that you haven't heard about it only means you do not know. Paul you obviously have no argument because you have refused to point out the other alleged mistakes. The BBc recently stated that the true armenian figure is at 12million. there will always be people to disagree with figures. the hloocaust was reckoned to be six million but I remember being taught in school that idt was five million (the exact figure we were given was 5.25) back in the seventies but that jumped suddenly with the arrival of the 80's. there are people all over the world that do not believe it was more than a million. It makes no odds to the fact that it was still a genocide however you can deny any holocaust except the jewish one. The Irish holocaust claimed 5.5 million lives yet it is still euphamistically referred to as the famine. The only country in the planet affected by the potato infestans yet the whole world is stupid enough to believe that we only ate potatos for breakfast dinner and lunch and that was the only source of food. We were an island with up to 75 shiploads of food being removed every day to feed the british soldiers in the boer and other wars. We were an island. Did anyone ever stop to think why they didn't go fishing? because they were executed for doing so. they did not starve for pototos, they were starved of food. I know nothing of John Mann. As for paul, is ther anything being said by anyone on this page that is not an illustration of littlejohns points. You have no argument. Try formulating one before trying to bulldoze people with statements you have not bothered to substantiate. I have Substantiated mine and I have also checked and sourced everything, if it incorrect it is the source that is incorrect. How much better off we would all be now if Lord Goldsmith had stuck by his original advice to teflon tony about the war not being legal and tony actually sourcing the 45 minute wmd claim that they pinched from that schoolkid to pass off as their own (i.e sourcing documents as I have.) Now go and learn some history paul and stop trying to patronise people who have actually bothered to try and learn their history
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2007-07-10 20:13:22
paul:
Give us a source for your BBC quote.
Murdoch is not Jewish. Give us a source.
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2007-07-10 20:22:11
Rob:
How can MPAC not be racist when it supports holocaust denier David Irving and uses anti-semitism to unseat an MP; a tactic to accuse an MP of being Jewish when she is not as a legitimate tactic in stirring the Muslim vote against the MP?
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2007-07-10 20:27:16
Leon:
Having read some of the bizarre contributions by trev and other escapees from mental institutions, it occurs to me that their comments are remarkably similar to those expressed on the George Galloway Talk Sport radio show.
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2007-07-10 20:28:18
paul:
1/2 of Galloways callers believe John Lennon was killed by the CIA.
The other half believe Galloways wifes bank account filled up with Oil money by accident.
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2007-07-10 20:30:32
trev:
I am not jew bashing. I have no idea who jon mann is. I cannot know everyone but I will read up on him now that you mention hes name.
The concentration camp was indeed invented by the British in the Boer war. i am glad to meet someone who has read up on their stuff. I am not anti jew. I am anti extremist power and if that means radical christians in power then I am against that too. To just outright accuse someone of jew bashing just because i happen to mention jew in the same line as something unfavourable merely reitterates what I have been trying to get accross. This is probably one of the more race hate filled countries on the planet and that is fuelled by this parasitic media and merely gives those in power exactly what they are after. divide and conquer. Everyone has a diplorable history and I can tell you that of probably every nation on the planet, with few exclusions. I should be able to say with out fear of being called an anti simite when I feel the jewish have done something I disagree with. I have five channels on the Tv and every newspaper in the country to approach if I see a muslim practice I don't like. An even hand for all and a fair shake for all. NO EXCEPTIONS! I'm sure you'd like to tell us what source tells us he is not jewish paul and maybe what source you use to disagree with all the other points I have raised even though you refuse to point them out. There are many examples of pictures of Murdoch in a jewish skullcap. you think he was goiung to a fancy dress at the time? Maybe the pictures of him at the wailing wall are fakes eh? At least hudson helped me a little when he tells us of his mothers particular sect. Somehow though Hudson I don't think we're going to find archive footage of hitler with a skullcap though. Paul go and learn your history. Come back and waste my time then at least i'll enjoy this more. Hudson, at least we can talk. I may not be your friend but rest assured I am not your enemy. There are many other jews that disagree with Israel. I already took pains to point out some extremist christians so you do not get to pigeon hole me a a jew basher.
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2007-07-10 20:32:49
hudson:
If you don't know who John Mann is, you cannot have watched the Littlejohn program, or at least not with your brain switched on.
He is the leader of the government's parliamentary commission on the rise of British Antisemitism, and he was interviewed several times by Littlejohn on the documentary. Everything he and the committee discovered and stated confirmed Littlejohn's concerns 100%
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2007-07-10 20:38:22
paul:
There are photographs of George Bush in African dress.
He is not African. Give me a source for your claim about Murdoch. You're proving Littlejohns point. "I didnt know you were Jewish" Some Nazi sites have tried to imply this about Murdoch.What have you been reading. On Armenia. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You made a mistake.
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2007-07-10 20:39:30
Leon:
Trev, there are also many Jewish Nobel prize winners. Do you have any brilliant thoughts about that phenomenon?
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2007-07-10 20:46:48
trev:
leon,
have you never learned from the old addage that people will only resort to insults when they obviously have no rational argument. Why would you even mention a mental home. justify your argument with some rational thought or just go and read a book. I will bet that you are not even aware that it is george galloway who brought the plight of the romanian orphanages to the attention of the western world. I have no idea what his opinions on this issue are because I am not exactlyt a fan of champagne george. I can say that it was he who stuck up for the romanian jews and fought against their oppression. Still think he's hitler? Just because he turned up in a catsuit or he may have said something you don't like. Learn to rationalise an argument with some form of educated answer preferably not derived from politics extrapolated from the first three page sof the SUN. Hudson just because I don't remember everybody's name does not mean my brain is not switched on. Did I say yours wasn't when you only said africa and not the boers. Paul, what can I say. I am nbot wrong on Armenia. eorge bush in a african dress, i can see him doing that, but I do not see murdoch putting on a skull cap jut to impress ariel sharon. Again with the proving littlejohn's point statement. you really have no argument do you. Hudson himself just told you of murdochs mothers sect, you think he wore the skull cap just to impress his mum. If the writer Cohen is not jewish then he has changed his religion because Cohen is a Jewish name. Unless he changed his name to a jewish name. You have made the mistake on the armenian figure you have. And I do not read Nazi sites and obviously it wouldn't be so bad if I did because you've just told us you do.
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2007-07-10 20:49:19
hudson:
Although I enjoy these forums, even though they cover a serious subject, I have never yet found one where anybody changes or moderates their initial view. I’ve never come across anyone say, “Hey, I didn’t know that – I’ll go away and check it out from an independent source”, and then come back later with their viewpoint changed in some meaningful way.
David Wearing’s “Democrat’s Diary” was just such a pointless exercise. We might as well all shout at a brick wall. In a way, you can boil it down to one set of facts really. Islam orders everyone to be Muslim, or else. The extremists then go out and start killing people [including Muslims who support a rival team]. Judaism says, “We don’t particularly want converts. If you want to try conversion we make it intellectually difficult for you, to make sure your conversion is not frivolous. Other than that, just go away and leave us alone.” The extremists then go to the synagogue and pray. The others sit down and eat. p.s. re Murdoch Rupert's father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene.
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2007-07-10 20:54:00
RSD:
For those who want to know some truths;
In WW2 the total death for Europe was 45,000,000. Therefore 20,000,000 could not have died in Leningrad alone. "The ultimate number of casualties during the siege is disputed. After the war, The Soviet government reported about 670,000 deaths from 1941 to January 1944, mostly from starvation and exposure. Some independent estimates give a much higher death toll of anywhere from 700,000 to 1.5 million, with most estimates around 1.1 million." br /> The highest estimate for the numbers of Armenians killed by Turks, Kurds and Arabs during the genocide is 1,000,000 not 12,000,000. If it had been 12,000,000 there would be no Armenians alive today on either side of the border. Murdoch's mother is Dame Elisabeth Murdoch, born Elisabeth Greene, who was the daughter of an Irish Protestant father and a mother who came from an upper-class family of English descent. (It is sometimes asserted, usually by anti-Semitic groups, that she is of Jewish origin: this is untrue). Dame Elisabeth, at 96, remains a strong influence on Rupert, usually in the direction of moderation. Britain went to war against Germany in 1939 as it had a defence treaty with Poland. The Germans knew that this would be the possible consequence of them attacking Poland. It really is time to end this drivel and stick to real facts. BTW which Jewish archives are these that state that Jews have been victimised for 5000 years? Has anyone told the Jews these archives exist? As according to the literal reading of the old testament there were no Jews 5000 years ago I fail to see where this figure comes from - it's only 5767 years since the creation of the world according to the Bible.
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2007-07-10 20:57:56
hudson:
Sorry about the "brain switched off" comment. Unwarranted. What I meant really was that John Mann and his committtee work struck me as a significant part of the Littlejohn program, not only because of the insight into the committee's findings but because it showed Littlejohn was far from alone in his comments and deductions about what was going on. It was not just a Littlejohn rant "to be expected from a racist" as some on here have said. In the present cultural climate, it took a lot of guts for him to do that show.
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2007-07-10 20:59:17
Mr Little John:
Little John is islamophobic moron he will side with anyone to oppose the great religion of Islam!
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2007-07-10 21:10:24
paul:
And the Murdoch being Jewish stuff proves yet again how the "Anti Zionist" left and the anti semitic far right are increasingly close.
Stormfront and Jewwatch are the source material. Trev, You're very ill informed. The Murdoch and the "twice as many Armenians were killed as Jews" statements mark you out as not very bright,or, proving Littlejohns point.
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2007-07-10 21:11:17
hudson:
Cohen, oddly enough, is not necessarily a Jewish name. For some strange reason you find it in Gentile Welsh especially. But since technically [or, at least, religiously] Jewishness is inherited from the mother, you could actually have a Jewish dad called Cohen and a non Jewish mum, who is of course Mrs. Cohen. Their son, believe it or not, is not Jewish [unless he undergoes a personal conversion later on.]
But, in any case, if you go back far enough we all come from the same first primordial microbe, along with the elephants and the dandelions, so descent is irrelevant. Unless of course you met up with Hitler, when Germans who had no idea they were "Jewish" until enlightened by the genial geneologists of the Third Reich, found themselves joining up with their tribe in the gas chamber.
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2007-07-10 21:11:29
paul:
Hudson.
Please check your sources on the Murdoch stuff. Its a Neo Nazi myth peddled on hate sites. Some Jews changed their names to Welsh sounding ones fearing a Nazi invasion in 1941. I've never heard of the Welsh Gentile Cohens I must say
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2007-07-10 21:19:35
hudson:
RSD - It was Murdoch's paternal grandfather who was a church minister. Rupert Murdoch's father was an Australian newspaper publisher/journalist. His mother Elizabeth Joy Greene was an orthodox Jew. Her father was Rupert Greene whose first name Rupert Murdoch adopted.
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2007-07-10 21:22:46
Sal:
Thank You MPACUK for standing up against anti-semitism and for standing firm against Zionasism!
Please help MPACUK - make a donation!
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2007-07-10 21:24:26
paul:
Hudson.
Please stop using Jewwatch as your source.
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2007-07-10 21:34:23
trev:
leon,
That is a stupid thing to say. Credit must be given where credit is due. If there are many jewish nobel winners then my commendations to them. However the pulitzer prize is a prize that goes predominantly to jewish. why is that? Considering the Irish have won more literary award than the rest of the planet combined, does this not suggest something amiss with the 80% jewish pulitzer winners. especially given the name. Is it that you really don't like that I have given you so much information taht is so accurate espacially the boston jewish cronicle's advocation of genocide in Gaza, or the Gush emunims claim to the divine genocide of the palestinians. Of course god would give the jewish the get out clause in the torah from the commandment of thou shalt not kill? and your problem is that I think murdoch is a jew. you have no problem with genocide? or just palestinian genocide? Am I the only person prepared to back up my argument with fact here and not just insult people? Amazing one says murdochs mather was jew, one says protestant and the other can't be bothered to answer. The 500 year persecution comes from a Gush Emunim website. All recent documentaries state categorically that the russians lost 20milion people. I do not know where your figures come from but as stated before there are many estimates of every historic. I don't mind being second guessed on the Armenian thing either because I first wrote an article on that directly after reading about it. But like I say I don't mind you second guessin that as long as you don't mind people second guessing the jewish holocaust figure. Oh sorry that's just anti simitic isn't it even though just two days ago Spielberg admitted to being drtiven to make the film because of the worldwide disagreement with the figure. I have checked my figures time and again and No I obviously keep all sources to hand. However I have blatantly supplied you with the sourcing of some of it. Did you deny that ariel sharon said the world watched on as 6million jews died, no you didn't, did you deny that the boston jewish cronicle called for genocide in gaza , no you didn't, did you deny that the gush emunim called for genocide, no you didn't. no genocide is no bigissue, but the fact that you think I might be wrong about the religion of Murdoch now that really is a burning issue even though you can't even agree amongst yourselves whether he was or is or never was. That really shows initiative in prioritisation to me. you really have to give me the benefit of the doubt on the tue figure of the armenia figure because the figure has been disputed for a long time. The christians went rond the world forcing people to convert to christianity in fact more people have been killed because of christianity than all the other causes. we killed 400,000 were burned at the stake for being witches. and you're still going to go on about whether or not murdoch is jewish despite the fact you can't even agree it yourselves. Make your mind up guys. No one objected to the fact that blair was voted the 16th most powerful jew in the country despoite the fact that he is anglican. no one complained that we went to war in Iraq and butchered so many people on the wmd claim yet you were prepared to swallow that even though it was written by a schoolkid. Get your priorities right. I also say anti-christian stuff despite having been raised as one. Paul I have an IQ of 136. go learn more form your nazi sites that you tell us you like so much. Leon I do not visit nazi sites because I am anti nazi. I am anti facist also but I am sick to the back teeth of this anti jew thing being shoved down our throats all the time. We are not responsible for the holocaust but we have psychopaths like ariel sharon telling us we were even though he himself is credited with his own mini genocides in his days with commando 10 1 I think his regiment was called. I have actually mentioned the proper name in my letter to channel 4. I hate bullys of any sort and just because i point out why the muslims may believe the jewish are responsible for the iraq war when in fact I have (apart from your objections to murdoch and armenia, which really have no bearing in the argument either in my favour or against) listed facts as they are made. why is ok for the jewish to call us gentiles? But as you've heard leon paul does trawl a lot of nazi sites. Incedentally i do recall the case of a jewish anti zionist last year (i must look up that story again) that was reprimanded by the New york jewish society as being a anti simitic self loathing jew because he stated his opposition to israel. Look it up Paul you'll love it.
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2007-07-10 21:36:14
paul:
An Iq of 136 and you think Rupert Murdoch is Jewish.
Now that REALLY proves Littlejohns point.
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2007-07-10 21:42:30
Taz:
"Rob" is being Islamophobic because he is implying that Muslims would vote against an MP if that MP were Jewish. Rob is a racist.
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2007-07-10 21:59:40
trev:
paul:
An Iq of 136 and you think Rupert Murdoch is Jewish. Now that REALLY proves Littlejohns point. what? Littlejohn made a point of saying intellegent people think Rupert Murdoch is a jew! what? what? Every so often you are saying it proves his point. Do us all a favour will you paul instead of saying how all this proves Littlejohn's point can you at least put forward one rational point that you might actually prove littlejohns point. In fact better still can you actually give us even any remote intellegent argument at all that might even suggest that you can prove your own point or are you too busy going on to nazi websites building that chip of yours to such a point that you are insulting your own now. Leon are you taking any notice of this lack of reasoning. At least with you leon we can argue civily I think. I do not just make friends with people I agree with. in fact my closest friend is a jewish English male that I do nothing but argue with morning noon and night. Anyone who feels they can only make friends with people they agree with are either incapable of a rational discussion or a self ego stroking sychophants. excuse mis spellings. I'm watching TV at the moment and having a IM chat with a friend in Czech republic. By the way an interssting video is doing the rounds on youtube right now. I think it's called the angry jew or something and merely shows a young jewish guy abusing somebody saying "this is not your f**king land. This is My f**kin land. God gave it to me so f**k your jesus christ. we f**king killed him and i'll f**king kill you too." Any relation of yours Paul because he has generally the same persuasive type of rationale as your own. Go check it out for yourself you might know him. I don't know too many people with your type of argument.
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2007-07-10 22:03:02
Paul:
can you unsubscribe from this crazy site?
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2007-07-10 22:18:38
Leon:
"Leon are you taking any notice of this lack of reasoning.
At least with you leon we can argue civily I think. I do not just make friends with people I agree with. in fact my closest friend is a jewish English male that I do nothing but argue with morning noon and night." Hi, Just back from the pub and I see that there is still an ongoing feverish debate about the ethnicity/religious identity of the owner of the Sun (presumably he is someone of supreme importance in all our lives (lol). I don't see the point of denying that there is apparently a resurgence of antisemitism in this country and that it has been accelerated/propagated by events in the Middle East - that is unfortunately a fact. What is disturbing is that it is apparently necessary to take extraordinary measures to protect a Jewish school in Manchester from being attacked by criminal elements in our society - that is also a fact! So let's address that serious issue and others like it, and stop talking nonsense about Pullitzer prizes, Jewish influence in literature and the arts, the number of Jewish virtuoso violinists and the ancestry of some media mogul who contributes absolutely zilch to man's understanding of the behaviour of his fellow human beings. Goodnight!
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2007-07-10 23:34:23
william jennings:
IS LITTLEJOHN ANTISEMITIC?
Judging from his pooh-poohing of Palestinian suffering, it is quite apparent that Littlejohn is using this program as a means of venting yet hiding his latent anti-arab racism or to name it correctly "anti-semitism"- is ignorant (or racist-you make up your mind)Littlejohn aware that Arabs are in fact SEMITIC people? He sums up the whole Palestine/Israel problems by taking a map; sticking a pin in "Israel" (he doesn't bother to make any mention of the Occupied Territories! - I wonder why?) and saying that poor old, little, solely "democratic" Israel is surrounded by 500 million Arabs who hate her! That's it! No reason why they "hate" her! Of course, their just "anti-semitic"! He is a disgrace to his profession and a anti-arab racist!
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2007-07-10 23:52:19
hudson:
Gosh! So when I visited Auschwitz I didn't realise that it was really the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum - Silly me, and I thought those tracks were just a preserved tourist line into Chattanooga. Just shows how one can be led astray when informed by self-interested mental cases with weird agendas.
(Oh, and Israel wasn't "stolen" from the Palestinians, it was from the Apaches. Historians just got the spelling wrong. Just thought I'd put yah'all right on that. Goodbye!
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2007-07-11 07:28:05
Leon:
Previous heading should have read
"THE HOLOCAUST HAS BECOME A RACKET!"
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2007-07-11 07:33:12
Bigjohn:
Zionism Promotes Anti-Semitism
[www.jewsagainstzionism.com] Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.” Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.” Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority. In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge". Over the recent years there has been a dramatic rise in hate rhetoric and hate crimes targeted toward Jews: In Turkey...horrifying suicide bombings at two synagogues left 25 people dead and hundreds more injured. In Britain...Scotland Yard recently warned Britain's Jewish Community that it faced imminent terrorist attacks after police spotted and questioned a group of "tourists" taking covert videotape of the Jewish community buildings in London. In France...a caution was issued after an arson attack gutted a suburban Paris Jewish school--the latest incident in a frightening wave of French anti-Semitism. BBC - UK: "In recent weeks, a poll for the European Commission suggesting that EU citizens see Israel as the biggest threat to world peace caused outrage among Israelis." Anti-Semitic acts are on the rise across Europe and beyond. From Antwerp and London to Berlin and Istanbul, Jews are living in fear. On November 17, 2003 Zionist leader, Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, told Jews in Italy the best way to escape "a great wave of anti-Semitism" is to move and settle in the state of Israel. This has been the Zionist ideology from the beginning to the present time. "The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said. July 28, 2004: 200 French Jews emigrated to Israel following a wave of Anti-Semitism. They were personally greeted by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who recently urged French Jews to flee to Israel to escape rising anti-Semitism. On July 18, 2004, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon urged all French Jews to move to Israel immediately to escape anti-Semitism. He told a meeting of the American Jewish Association in Jerusalem that Jews around the world should relocate to Israel as early as possible. But for those living in France, he added, moving was a "must" because of rising violence against Jews there. "
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2007-07-11 09:29:06
Leon:
We can now all witness the utter contempt for reasoned debate that the editors and moderators of this rag have shown so far. They deliberately allow airhead spammers to copy and paste yards of obnoxious and hateful propaganda to thwart intellectual discourse.
So much for the integrity of MPACUK!
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2007-07-11 11:08:45
Sun Reader:
Enough already!
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2007-07-11 11:59:03
islam:
People of The Book:
re ("Islam: In fact it is the jewish racism upon US that we should notice. Notice how the jews own most of the business, notice how they own the media etc how come... answer by positive racism for themselves. that how." You've been reading anti-Jewish conspiracy rubbish - and what's more, you can't substantiate your claim, because it just isn't true. ) ISLAM: You would say that wouldnt you ! you joker! thats typical isnt it. It not a conspiracy because its no secret. Its a FACT. Of course its true, ive worked in UK for 20 years and seen it first hand, which planet have you come from ? second a top jew himself broadcast a 1hour programme on this very same topic on ch4 and laughed saying that he could say this even on tv and it would make no difference to that fact. third the foreign policy is warped becuase of this, how else is the neo-ziocon agenda able to ride roughshod over the public opinion and get away with it. fourth. just run through the media and govt u willse jews at the helm, using positive-racism for themselves.THEY are racist, being a Jew is itself racist becaus eyou cannot be one, you have to be born
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2007-07-11 12:28:34
Sun Reader:
Islam: Re your last post.
Why don't you go and lie down? You sound feverish with conspiracy theories - blaming others for your worldwide community's failings. Everytime you spit the word 'Jew' God hears. Didn't you know they speak Yiddish in Paradise?
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2007-07-11 12:37:27
Sun Reader:
Goy
Don't all orthodox/traditional/conservative interpretations of religions have a 'racist' view of others? You're 'goy', non-muslims are 'kafr' etc etc. They all exclude others and consider them to be inferior. For 'Zionist' evangelical Christians the Jews won't get to Paradise until they have converted, for example. Why is it that everyone expects vastly superior moral behaviour from Jews. Are they not allowed to be racist bigots like everyone else? You seem to be blaming Jews (orthodox or otherwise is not clear from your words) for anti-semitism on the grounds that they are exclusive and regard followers of other religions to be wrong, inferior or whatever. By the same token would you blame conservative/orthodox Mulsims for anti-Muslim sentiment? They too are exclusive, look down on others, think they are wrong etc etc. In fact re-reading your words you seem to attribute well-documented anti-semitism in pre-WWII era solely to bigotted forms of Judaism. Have you air-brushed out of history the forged Protocols, or Nazi propoganda or centuries-old Catholic Jew-hating? Why would you want to do that?
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2007-07-11 15:49:32
fingal:
Trev, Goy, Ab, "William Jennings" (ha ha), please stop SHOUTING.
Thank you. And to all of you, once again I thank you for confirming the points made in Littlejohn's programme. Elderly rabbis and small children in Manchester are threatened and/or attacked yet the response on this forum is to say, over and over, that it is the Jews' fault. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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2007-07-11 16:04:46
Sun Reader:
To **Christian Zionists Beware***
Do you get similarly upset by the supremacist attitudes of other religions? Or is it just the Jews who bother you? Feeling inferior, by any chance?
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2007-07-11 16:09:45
Leon:
"The deception, the mischeivous (please use a spell check, twerp) headlines, that we must attack Iran etc, are all but a great big con for the state of Israel."Never mind about Iran and Israel, lets talk about really serious issues.(1) Can Chelsea win the league this year? (2) Will Tevez go to Man United?(3) How many times a week do you change your underwear?
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2007-07-11 17:18:03
william jennings:
Poor old "fingal" (ha ha, yes-even funnier), nobody is fingal-ling (ha ha)the jews as being deserving of the criminal attacks on them!! They of course,can not in any way be blamed for the sheer racism of such attacks. The documentary was making other quite disturbing points.
One of the issues, if you'd bothered to read the comments carefully, is that littlejohn like the Israeli propanganda machine and its stooges in the UK and USA, always attempt to head off justified criticism of the genocidal and apartheid racist policies of the state of Israel by claiming that the criticisms are not legitimate but are solely raised by anti-semites masquerading as anti-zionists.
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2007-07-11 17:19:14
fingal:
Anti-Semantic: did you, by any chance, write speeches for Abu Hamza?
.: (I've never addressed a punctuation mark before so excuse me if I've got the etiquette wrong): you begin with a reasoned argument but your last paragraph is straight out of Der Stürmer. If you are afraid Jews see the non-Jew as "a dirty animal, a filthy dog and swine, who is available to be fleeced and conned", then I wonder who really has the victim mentality.
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2007-07-11 19:38:48
Elusive:
Andrew said" I'd be fascinated if you can point out a single Memri mistranslation.
They are certainly selective in what they translate, but if muslims didn't make the stuff they translate it would not be there to translate. Accuusing them of mistranslation is a very serious accusation, I trust you will back it up with examples" Sure,here you go... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm More examples availible on request.
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2007-07-11 19:44:56
everyone is has the same religio:
Sun Reader:
Your knowledge of religions such as Islam is zilch if you think that racial superiority is contained in either the Quran or message of the profit mohammed
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2007-07-11 20:20:04
Leon:
WATCH THIS::::::::::::::
*youtube* No thanks, I feel safer going by taxi!
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2007-07-11 23:36:35
Sun Reader:
Everyone is has the same religion:
Not so that my knowledge is zilch - but like I said elsewhere here: the conversation would go like this: I would quote you the verses of the Koran, hadith, scholarly texts etc etc. You would say they are taken out of context. I would then say they're not and explain. You would say that I couldn't possibly understand the real meaning because I'm not a Muslim - thus ending any possibility of dialogue. Let's not bother. It's easier to blame the Jews for everything.
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2007-07-12 08:58:39
CAR FOR SALE:
Mercedes Benz saloon for sale. Excellent condition - Comes complete with 2 mobile phones, a full tank of petrol, several gas canisters and a large quantity of nails. Bargain price for a DIY enthusiast - will haggle.
(124)
2007-07-12 10:04:27
JEEP FOR SALE:
Jeep Cherokee for sale. Bodywork needs some attention. Reluctant sale, but owner needs to raise cash for brain transplant.
(125)
2007-07-12 11:02:05
Sun Reader:
Chomsky reader (not a good start):
Less offense please. FYI: I might be a twit, but I'm not right wing. I don't think that Islam is blamed for the ills of the world to the extent that the 'Zionists' are/have been over the last period. You seem (like many others) not to want to allow the Jews to be victims, which is something I don't understand. Did I say they had been victimised more than any other group in history? I don't like apologists and appeasers - especially not that liberal lefty Western type. By the way your joke was rubbish. And does the fact that I have a differing opinion justify your mockery? 'Daddy'? 'Jokey wokey'? Do you think I'm a cretin? Stick to the ridiculous Noam Chomsky.
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2007-07-12 11:18:22
EXCHANGE AND MART:
Proud owner of fully functioning brain, recently overhauled and serviced by renowned Taliban neurologist (written guarantee of an IQ of 50), would like to make contact with owner of the Jeep Cherokee for exchange of brains and occasional use of vehicle for off road activities.
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2007-07-12 12:24:06
Chomsky Reader:
Please forgive my deranged outbursts of utter garbage. I must keep taking my medication.
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2007-07-12 13:39:39
Sun Reader:
Chomsky swallower
I'm not quite sure what I've done to deserve your abuse - 'autistic', 'pea-brained'? And what is your point about Chomsky? That he's Jewish? That he's not ridiculous? Do we all have to bow down to your 'intellect' because you refuse to accept that there are other points of view? Do you honestly think it's right to abuse those of a differing opinion to your own? I call myself 'Sun Reader', in part because I occasionally read it (yes, there are words in it - some of them are even quite long) but mainly for leaving posts on this site - the reason being that the intolerant people here (yourself included) usually pile on the abuse when they read something with which they disagree: 'Illiterate', 'Can't read','reads the Sun'etc etc. Hence 'Sun Reader'. Your 'autistic'is a new one. I didn't even know it was being used as a term of offence these days. Got any more? Dyslexic, Aspergers, ADHD, Alzheimers?
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2007-07-12 14:05:48
Sun reader:
I didn't write that piggly wiggly post. Someone has stolen my identity - the name is so popular.
son of Sun reader: What does that site prove? They have a membership of how many ? 6 or 7?
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2007-07-12 14:22:46
Anti-Semantic:
I really nust apologise to all contributors to this forum for copying and pasting all this antisemitic nonsense from these Jewish hate sites. I don't have much of an education, and that must be plainly obvious to all of you, so ignore the vile rubbish I write, together with any other crap I also write under many different aliases - I am absolutely bonkers - Please pray for me!
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2007-07-12 16:19:41
Anti-Semantic:
I am so bonkers I can't even spell
(n)must! without a spellchecker
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2007-07-12 16:26:43
Aunty-Semite:
Hi, It's me again using another alias - tee hee!
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2007-07-12 16:36:48
trev:
"son of Sun reader:
What does that site prove? They have a membership of how many ? 6 or 7?" On this site it is just 2. You and me.
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2007-07-12 16:44:17
Harvey:
Let me start by saying that it is very neccessary to differentiate between anti semitism and antizionism.
On the subject of Israel Anglo Jewry presents a complete spectrum of opinion .There are ultra orthodox Jews who see a divine right to all the land unto the Jordan river and thereare also ultra orthodox such as Nuturei Kartah who call for its disestablishment.There are antizionist Jews from the far left such as Naom Chomsky and Finklestein who would also see the end of Israel. For some British Jews it is a holiday and nothing more.They are completely assimilated and see themslves as British Jews. So what of antisemitism in Britain? I agree that Littlejohn was not my first choice or even my last choice to speak on the subject.The sensationist that he is ,he was hardly likely to present a definitive and scholarly report. However there were certain elements which ring very true. littlejohn highlighted a Jewish school in Manchester which was subject to stringent security measures. In fact this is true of every school ,synagogue ,community and function room throughout Britain.There is a clear and present threat to the Jewish community which requires intense security measures.This was not the case when I was growing up in the 70s.In fact it was quite unheard of.As Littlejohn pointed out it no longer the far right who are responsible for attacks on the Jewish community but an increasing number of incidents and threats from within the Muslim community This is due to young disaffected Muslim youth being radicalised by Imams who are able to indoctrinate them with various myths about the Jews such as the Protocols and the Passover blood libels.These heinous elements wereseized upon by the Nazis in their propoganda and persecution of the Jews. One must ask the question here whether it isthe intention of Muslims to adopt and adhere to the tenets of Nazism. These Imams are able to impart a visceral hatred of Jews to young impressionable minds by reinforcing their views with direct quotes from the Koran including Jews being the descendants of pigs and monkeys. Also from Ibelieve the 5th Surah O Muslim there is a Jew behind me come kill him . I acknowledge that the vast majority of Muslims do not subscribe to this hatred but I have yet to hear an outright condemnation from the elders of the Muslim community for this particular form of antisemitism. The MCB boycott of Holocaust also doeslittle to foster inter community relations. Holocaust rememberance is inclusive of all tragedies and not just the Nazi extermination of the Jews . It is not within the remit of this blog to go onto speak of the antisemitism of the liberal left who find themselves forming an unholy alliance with the Islamists.
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2007-07-13 14:09:57
hudson:
I hope all the "pro-Jews" who are "anti-Israel" never have to live in an era where they have nowhere else to run.
You think it can never happen again? In Nazi Germany, before WW2, the Jews fortunate enough to escape had to hope that more enlightened countries would accept them, and luckily many did escape by that route. Nowadays they know that Israel would welcome them if, G-d Forbid, it became necessary. As for all the America bashers, do you really think you would be living in a free Britain if not for the USA [for all its faults]. Without the USA, then and now, your rulers now would be whoever had won out of the USSR and the Third Reich.
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2007-07-13 15:16:58
Harvey:
Christians Zionists Beware
Just been scrolling through some of the above blogs and settled on yours for a moment. Christian -you are one sick individual Keep ironing the leiderhosen and remember to take your medicine. I fear a lobotomy may be your only redemption
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2007-07-13 16:01:41
hudson:
I was going to joke that I could help, having a very good chainsaw!
But what is really needed is bias-free education. And that is the hardest task ever given to humanity. Where can one find an authority that both sides can be brought before and will believe? Answer: nowhere. People seem to believe exactly what suits their inborn and received prejudices. And when irrefutable evidence opposing their views is presented? They refute it. How else can one explain David Irving.
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2007-07-13 17:38:32
People of The Book:
Oh Goody - MPAC is being targetted again by British Nationalists pretending to be 'Islamic' again, yes, British Nationalists that peddle Jewish conspiracy theories and secretly hope their vile theories will bring on that religious/race war they're so busy stockpiling fertiliser and rocket launchers for. Of course, they can't see that we can see they've swapped Judeophobia for Islamophobia - they're still antisemites, just hidlng behind the cloak of Islamophobia.
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2007-07-13 17:56:27
husdon:
Quote: "The chronic racism exemplified by these Orthodox Jewish groups, even today, underscores WHERE ANTI-SEMITISM HAS ALWAYS COME FROM throughout history. And this anti-goyim hatred is one of the foundations of modern Israel".End Quote.The big difference is that the vast majority of Jews, of any sort, do not want to go out and murder "non-believers". They don't even want them as converts if they can avoid it. They just want to be left alone, unmolested, to go about their daily lives. That, I'm afraid, is not good enough for extreme anti-Semites, whether Muslim, BNP or unaligned nutcases. Their prime objective is for there to be NO Jews.
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2007-07-13 18:32:17
People of The Book:
I must apologise to everyone in this forum for my inability to coherently articulate my sentiments in the English language. I use various aliases to disguise my identity and spare my blushes. Please note that my mother helped me with this email.
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2007-07-14 09:51:08
hudson:
Since Littlejohn was discussing anti-Semitism in the UK I don't see what any of the above has got to do with him not raising questions to be answered about Israel?
Why don't you now put a similar catalogue of Arab/Palestinian/Muslim atrocities on this thread to counter the above? Because if you did you would find most of them comprise cases of them murdering other Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians. And the numbers would run not into thousands, but millions.
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2007-07-14 20:44:52
hudson:
Further to the above, if you want some timetables:
From well before the early part of the 20th century up till 1945 the Russians, Germans, Poles and other central Europeans amused themselves with open season on the Jews, resulting in millions of deaths and millions more driven out. In 1948 the UN, via British mandate, gives over a lousy little bit of the remains of the Ottoman empire, mostly Negev desert, to become Israel. At about this same time, over 800,000 Jews are expelled from surrounding Arab states, and flee to Israel. On Day 1 of this arrangement the tiny fledgling state of Israel is jumped by at least 7 different Arab armies who, much to their amazement and resentment, got their butts well and truly kicked. From then on till the present day, Israel remained under constant and very public threat of extinction, along with the death of all its citizens. At various times during the 1960’s and 1970’s some Arab states decided they can finish the 1948 job but before they can do so they are walloped again, each time. However even away from times of open warfare Israel has to devise ways of maintaining security of its citizens, to avoid them being murdered in hotels, restaurants and buses. The methods it uses are called apartheid by charmers like George Galloway, as though to say Israel should happily ALLOW its citizens to be indiscriminately murdered. Throughout all this time, the 20% Arab population of Israel goes about its normal business even to the tune of having members in Israel’s parliament. They are allowed normal privileges of freedom and worship. Imagine any of that being allowed to Jews in Muslim states. When the Muslims took over Jerusalem, Jews were evicted. When the Jews won back Jerusalem, Muslims retain worshipping rights there. Every time Israel hands back lands captured during the conflicts, within days they are being bombarded and infiltrated from those lands yet again. As the old saying goes, Israel can only lose once - and it is not surprising they do all they can to prevent that.
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2007-07-14 21:26:02
hudson:
Your appalling language and offensive comments simply show you have no argument worth stating. You don't respond to a single one of the clear facts stated above but simply resort to name calling. You have lost the argument so all you can do is blow raspberries.
In fact, your type of attitude is probably the biggest single reason that there are these trouble in the world. I'm not an intellectual but compared to you I'm Albert Einstein [another Jew by the way!]
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2007-07-14 22:36:12
Leon:
I totally agree with Hudson. Unfortunately this forum has been hijacked by a bunch of Jew haters who rely entirely on copying and pasting venomous outpourings of lies and distortions from the multiplicity of antisemitic websites that disgrace the internet. The problem also arises that the editors of MPACUK deliberately turn a blind eye (or may be active participants themselves under the various aliases) to the yards of antisemitic garbage that appear in this forum. I am afraid that MPACUK have exhibited a gross lack of integrity. I will certainly not bother to visit this appalling website again. Let these antisemite idiots chatter amongst themselves!
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2007-07-15 10:47:05
hudson:
Thanks Leon - in fact the site moderator has actually deleted the comments I was reacting against, which would have been between the two bits of mine just above here.
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2007-07-15 12:21:46
Leon:
I an persuaded to respond to some historical assertions and inclusions about Khazars and our ancestry. It is not my intention to enter into a lengthy debate on the legitimacy of Jews to reside in their adopted homeland. It serves no purpose to challenge the heritage and authenticity of a people identified as Jews. It is fundamentally unimportant to me as to whether I am truly entitled to describe myself as a Semite. One thing is absolutely indisputable - I am British and my allegiance is totally to the country I was born in and reside in - but I recognise that my patriotic beliefs and loyalties are not embraced so readily by some of the anti-Jewish contibutors to this particular forum.I have copied and pasted a short paragraph from a website which gives an insight into their motives:A few writers have speculated that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are, for the most part, descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars. Since Ashkenazi Jews make up 85% of the world's Jewry, this view is often held in conjunction with the belief that modern day Jews are not the true descendants of the Ancient Israelites or that Anglo-Saxons are the Children of Israel in actuality and that contemporary Jewry has no rightful claim to the land of the State of Israel. This thesis began to gain popularity among the Holocaust denial movement during the 20th century, especially after the establishment of Israel in 1948.The website is:http://www.answers.com/topic/khazarsThis is a most interesting summary of the history of the Khazars and well worth a read - for those that can!
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2007-07-15 20:48:41
Leon:
"This 'documentary' does nothing to promote harmony amongst different groups and minority communities, just another moral panic created by a right-wing-gutter-rat, who wants to create more conflict and disharmony, and, ultimately, adding more fuel to the fire."
So do you think that George Galloway promotes harmony amongst different groups and minority communities, or is he just another left-wing-gutter-rat, who wants to create more conflict and disharmony, and, ultimately, add more fuel to the fire?
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2007-07-15 23:05:20
freedom fighter:
"Israel exists. And the whole world, including the Palestinian people, recognizes the reality of that existence. However, the mere existence of a State, or any other political entity, doesn't confer legitimacy, especially moral legitimacy. This is why the concept of "moral legitimacy," otherwise dubbed as "right to exist," doesn't exist in international law.
Indeed, if the mere existence of a State confers moral legitimacy, then Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa, to mention just two examples, should have acquired moral legitimacy and "a right to exist." But Israel is not a State like any other State. Israel is even more than a fruit of an adulterous relationship; it is an enduring crime against humanity, just as Nazi Germany was a crime against humanity. Israel has been a criminal entity from day-1, since its very existence came at the expense of the existence of another people, another nation, namely the Palestinian people. Israel is a country stolen at gunpoint from its rightful proprietors, the Palestinian people. Israeli towns and villages were built on the ruins of Palestinian towns and villages. Israelis themselves live on land that belongs to other people and many Israelis, even today, continue to live in homes wrested from their Palestinian owners. This is cardinal theft probably unprecedented in the annals of history; it is an act of rape, a continuous act of rape, no matter how numerous the cheerleaders who celebrate the legitimacy and morality of their criminal act. In fact, Israel can be compared to a sick man who murders an innocent person in order to use his heart and other vital organs for transplant. Does such a person have a right to exist? Israel not only has stolen the victim's organs, but also seized his property, and then denied having done any wrong. It is true, history is often unkind. However, Israel's cruelty is not a one-time occurrence. Israel didn't stop at carrying out genocidal ethnic cleansing in 1948-1949 during which the bulk of the Palestinians were expelled to the four corners of the world. In fact, Israel never ceased murdering Palestinians, stealing their land, destroying their homes and narrowing their horizons. Even today, Israel's Nazi-like approach toward its victims negates any moral legitimacy Israel may claim to have. In short, the Palestinian people and their leadership must never agree to recognize "Israel's right to exist" because the Zionist State simply has no moral right to exist, since this existence happens to be at the expense of another people's existence. Indeed, a recognition by the Palestinians of "Israel's right to existence" implies a whole host of "acknowledgements," including the following: that the extirpation of the Palestinian people from their homeland from time immemorial was right and justified; that the dozens of genocidal massacres of Palestinians perpetrated by Judeo-Nazis forces, such as Dir Yasin, Tantura, Dawayima, Kfar Qassem, Qibya, Jenin, etc., were also right and justified; and that the mostly Russian and East European Khazara Ashkenazi supremacists belonged to Palestine and Palestine belonged to them, whereas the real natives of the land, the Palestinians, are "Arab" squatters, while the real squatters, the Judeo-Nazi settlers, are the real natives of the land. In other words, in order to recognize "Israel's right to exist," the Palestinians would have to completely and unconditionally adopt the Zionist narrative from A-Z and transform themselves into "Muslim and Christian Zionists." More to the point, Israel is actually demanding that we recognize that Israel is a "Jewish State" that belongs to "all the Jews in the world," or, as one Israeli leader put it recently, that Israel is "a State of the Jews, by the Jews and for the Jews." In plain English, Israel wants the Palestinian people, whose patrimony it has stolen and whose national survival it has been seeking to end, to recognize that the Zionist State has the right to be racist, a thief, a murderer and a liar; racist, because the entire Israeli political and judicial infrastructure is based on the supposition that Jews are entitled to more rights and privileges than non-Jews, including those who are Israeli citizens. A thief because Israel stole in broad daylight Palestine from its legitimate proprietors whom it expelled to the four winds and those victims not expelled came to be viewed as "absentees" for the purpose of "legalizing" the theft of their land and property; a murderer because Israel continues to murder Palestinians for daring to oppose the Zionist narrative and for clinging to their homeland. In light of these facts, any recognition by the Palestinian people, especially Hamas, of "Israel's right to exist" will be an act of immense stupidity bordering on moral suicide since such a recognition would imply an acknowledgement that not only does Israel have a right to exist but also that all actions and crimes and behaviour Israel has resorted to safeguard and preserve that right were perfectly and morally right. Recognition of Israel's right to exist would thus be analogical to the Jews recognizing that the holocaust was morally justified and that the incineration of people in gas chambers was a moral act. There is no doubt that Israel is an entity not unlike the Third Reich. But it does exist and is politically and militarily strong, very much as Nazi Germany once was. But Israel has no moral legitimacy whatsoever because oppression can't be legitimate, neither according to the rule of man nor the laws of God. We are not suggesting that Palestinians shouldn't deal with the reality of Israel. However, dealing with Israel, even negotiating with it, is one thing, and conferring moral legitimacy on it is an entirely different thing." <strong>MPACUK Mod: Anti-Semitic comments are not welcome on this site and have been removed.</strong>
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2007-07-16 19:44:58
Leon:
You merely copied and pasted the following: DECLARATION ON PRINCIPLES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW FRIENDLY RELATIONS AND CO-OPERATION AMONG STATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS
http://www.hku.edu/law/conlawhk/conlaw/outline/Outline4/2625.htm (We all learned that at school - have you only just discovered it?) If you want to debate with me you have to point out exactly what you believe to be a falsification in any of my submissions to this forum. So what precisely is the point you wish to make? Speak up or shut up!
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2007-07-16 19:59:19
Leon:
Actually it would save space if you just posted the url of this article which appeared in the Palestinian Times: http://one-state.net/pt.html
I will respond to this article briefly (because I have to go down to my local pub and it is not worth wasting drinking time addressing everyone of the silly accusations that are made). I will, however, point out that a cursory glance at this blatant piece of propaganda totally excludes any mention of the Palestinians and Arabs from the neighbouring countries participating in any kind of armed conflict with the Jews. It would appear that there was an entirely unprovoked attack by these 'wicked' Jews, without cause and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, killing totally innocent, peace-loving unarmed Palestinian Arab civilians and driving them from their homeland. Pull the other one it's got bells on!
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2007-07-16 20:34:47
LEON DER LUGNER:
Movie Review.
LEON DER LUGNER. "In Littlejohns Britain, at the height of Israel being "wiped-off the map", impoverished Zionist Leon keeps hope and humour alive in the Jewish ghetto by reporting fictitious news bulletins about Israel to his fellow prisoners. Meanwhile, the British and other European people learn of Leons myths and lies and begin a search for the truth..." . Can the motto of the Mossad be any more incriminating? It reads: "By way of DECEPTION, shall we wage war." By the way, the Talmud says, "A Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian… The name of God is not profaned when lying to Christians" Baba Kama 113a, b; "Jews must always try to deceive Christians" Kohar 1 160a; "It is not permitted to imitate the customs of the Akum (Christians) nor act like them" Iore Dea 178, 1; "God rewards clever liars" Kallah 51a.
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2007-07-16 23:53:59
Leon:
Hi,
The article above entitled "LEON DER LUGNER" has been filched from the internet site of a loon who should be locked up for an indefinite period. This crackpot goes by the name of Pastor Mark Downey. His hilariously funny 'sermon' is not to be missed and I recommend anyone to read it whenever they have had a bad day at the office. Enjoy! http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews3.htm
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2007-07-17 10:04:50
LEON:
Blimey! Is this a warning from the Almighty?
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2007-07-17 11:10:36
LEON:
"Can the motto of the Mossad be any more incriminating? It reads: "By way of DECEPTION, shall we wage war."
This definitely has been filched from http://www.kinsmanredeemer.com/WhyWeHateJews3.htm It is the last paragraph on the page and the full text reads: Can the motto of the Mossad be any more incriminating? It reads: "By way of deception, shall we wage war." As we continue in our study of why we hate jews, we will see how this third element of the Big Lie in jewish behavior implements itself into the other 29 elements as well. If you are not yet convinced about the evil nature of jewry, our next study looks at something that happens to everybody: getting ripped off! ***If God rewards clever liars than these guys should be zillionaires!*** Oh the power of a GOOGLE search - thank you Lord!
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2007-07-17 12:55:07
LEON:
MOSSAD AGENT EXPOSED
Yep, I gotta admit it -- you guys are smarter than I thought.
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2007-07-18 18:57:06
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