There was no armenian holocaust that was carried out with the intent to wipe armenians from the face of the earth,propaganda is nice and cheap but reality is diffrent.
when turkey was under attack by the british-new zealanders-australians and russians it was fighting a war of survival,the armenains who had lived under turkish rule for 500 years were enticed to committ treason and rebellion against turkey as according to the british and russians who informed the armenians now is your chance to strike and gain freedom and more lands for your armenian state.
the turkish army was attacked from the rear by these traitors in response patriots sided with the army to fight the attackers and the traitors within,in the ensuing chaos around 400,000 armenians-turks and kurds wee killed,it is quite rich for armenians to claim innocence but they were traitors who had allied themselves with foreign powers attacking turkey and carried out masscares of kurds and turks and when the outside threat was defeated, the turkish state wanted to deal with these traitors but knowing what they had done they left in large numbers to go to armenia.
if you want to see the real genocide it is happening in front of your faces in iraq and chehcnya yet nothing is being done about it.
if you want to know what real holocausts are check the history books and it will show you hundreds of diffent races of native americans were wiped out in a systematic method,were womens stomachs were cut open and babies killed and their heads taken,as this was the method used to pay the killers,the more heads you bought the more you got paid.
if Mr.Bukahris knowledge of history is weak he should check the real history not the one written by people who have a axe to grind,what happend in turkey was classic divide and conquer but the turks were upto the job to defend their homeland.
as regards religion kamal attaturk was secular extremist who banned azan-arabic language and the praying in arabic so even if they tried to blame this on muslims it does not hold water,as armenians had lived under muslim rule for 500 years,so why would they try to kill them when they were fighting a war of survival against outside attackers.
lets talk about holocausts and genocides,the british carried out genocide agaisnt he african people in which tens of millions were enslaved or murdered,around 29 million indians were massacard to starved to death during the occupation of india,this information i have gained from british writers on history,the european holocaust were more than a hundred million natives americans were exterminated.
the french genocide in algeria were around 3 million people were exterminated-the russian genocide were more than 2 million afghans were exterminated-the russian genocide against the chechens were 40 per cent of the chechens have been exterminated-the rwandan genocide-the bosnian genocide-the ukranian genocide,the ongoing genocide in iraq were to date 2.5 million iraqis have been exterminated.
the list goes on and on the day all of these holocausts and genocides are rememebered and enshrined in law that anyone denying these crimes will be punished, should be the day mpac and others should agree to attend special memorials for all the victims.
not just the chosen ones who happen to hail from the same area of the caucases by which i mean khazar ashkenazi jews and armenians.

The "First Holocaust" against the Armenians was carried out by the Ottoman Imperial Army and various militas from various ethnic groups. The officers and troops involved were not exclusively ethnic Turks, but drawn from across the Ottoman Empire. Hajj Amin El Husseini, former Mufti of Jerusalem, is a notable example of non-Turkish officers. (He as other officers and politicians eluded punishment for their crimes.)
The Armenians as Christians became an object of hatred as non-Muslims who appeared disloyal to the Muslim Ottoman Empire in seeking independence and a separate state. There is some truth that the Armenians had allowed themselves to become pawns in a territorial games driven by the Russians to break up the Ottoman Empire and seize lands from it. The same occurred in the Balkans and elsewhere, and this was the driving force for the British to urge the Ottomans to implement Tanzimat in the early to mid 19th century.
While it is the responsibility and duty of the present Turkish state to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, it is dishonest of others in the region to deny their own involvement. It is also dishonest to fail to mention that the Turkish goverment did attempt in 1919 to try the leaders of CUP party who were responsible, and many were found guilty and sentenced to death in absentia. However in the chaos of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the post-WW1 era and the invasion of Turkey by Greece it is not entirely surprising that their efforts were unsuccessful.
The genocide of the Armenians and the failure of the world to remember it or take action was used by Hitler in his justification for the proposals to annihilate the Jews across the areas controlled by Germany during WW2. Sadly some political figures in the Middle East did not learn from the Armenian genocide and reject racist and sectarian hatred, and instead allied themselves and emulated the Nazi party, as is the case for the Baath Party and the Lebanese Kataab.

The above a a load of rubbish - the Armenian genocide is nothing but propaganda. The Armenians sided with the Russian, this is a fact you cannot compare this to the jewish holocaust

The Armenian issue is supoorted by those who are anti-turkish and anti-muslim, just look at France, it is one of the biggest supporters of this issue, it also played a crucial role in destroying the Ottoman empire.

Also take a look at what the Armenian's are doing to Azerbeijan - is this not genocide?

They have destoyed entire villages, burnt mosques and have split the country in two.

Why doesn't MPACUK condemn this.

You should obtain all the facts before you post stories on your site

What has the Armenian issue got to do with MPACUK and the Muslim community in Britain today?

what is the matter mpac my viewpoint has not been put on the comments.
as i mentioned before it is wise to check historical facts instead of going along with propaganda.
repeating a lie over and over again does not make it the truth and it would be better if all concerned got two sides of the arguemnt.

What a silly debate! Could those who either say there was an Armenian genocide and those who are against cite sources to bring some maturity to this discussion please?

Some corrections are needed to the comments made.
1st the Ottoman Committee for Unity & Progress (CUP) party did expound the idea of genocide in public and private statements. However this did not develop into the same policies as the Nazis.
2nd the Jewish victims of the WW2 Holocaust were not limited to Khazari Ashkenazi Jews but included Sephardi, Mizrachi and Karaite Jews.
3rd the Ottoman Empire had been under attack for the preceding progressively losing territory. The CUP was a reactionary party resistant to the modernisation which would have prevented the break-up of the Empire. CUP collapsed after WW1 and their leadership fled to avoid prosecution. Pro-CUP officials across the Empire led ethnic / sectarian violence e.g. Jaffa massacre 1915

This is a typical piece, highlighting the naivety of MPACUK, it’s constantly used by scrupulous individuals/ organisations for there own gains just for MPAC to get a platform for there haranguing.

Smarten up MPAC, it takes years to build up goodwill and seconds to lose it.

it seems that most of the comments here are critical hasnt acknowledged that some of the Armenian leadership where in league with the Russians?

I can't help but think, so what has got to do with the hundreds and thousands of innocent people who were killed? kill or trial the leaders.

and to take that parallel, if an extremist or a zionist agent pretending to be a muslim gloats at the death of 7/7 does that mean that british muslims can be targets of ethnic cleansing?

don't be so stupid, islam forbids the killing of innocents and there is no concept of collective guilt.

well done mpac.

If we talk about here and now armenia has attacked and occupied 16 per cent of azerbaijans territory.
whent he armenians attacked they murdered thousands of azeri civilains and ethnically cleansed around 500,000 azeri men-women and children,who to this day are living in abject destitution.
it is about time people in asia-africa and americas started enacting laws which make the holocausts and genocides carried out aganist them by european christians a offence if some one tries to deny the facts.
its about time turkey took notice of genocides comitted by the french.

Shah do bother to check the facts before calling other peoples views stupid.
the armenians were not killed for being armenians,they helped the enemies of turkey attack it,during the war turks-kurds and armenians died in massacres carried out in revenge and counter revenge,this is what happens in civil wars.
in 1914 there were 1.3 milions armenians within the borders of turkish rule,during the war and the following chaos around 400,000 people died,out of which 300,000 were armenians,in 1918 armenian propagandists claimed it was 600,000 later they said it was 800,000 followed by 1.2 miilion-1.5 million-2 milion and some even say 3 million,they can tell as many lies as they want but reality points in the opposite direction.
if you check the record of armenian massacares of azeris for the last 200 years you will see who has been carrying out genocide against whom,the number goes into the hundreds of thousands of azeris slaughtered,just a decade ago armenia attacked and killed thousands of azeris and ethnically cleansed 500,000 azeris who are living with the hope they will go back to their homes.
it seems the armenians assume that since for the last 60 years the israelis have used the victim label even though they have been killing palestinians in cold blood,they too can create the victim tag and go about killing and robbing other peoples lands.

Shah your statement is ignorant.

The Ottomans never went out to massacre civillians, they died in a mass movement of people froma a war zone to a safe zone, the Armenian population was actively involved in supporting the Russians and ethnic cleaning of Muslims, they were burning down villages etc. You can go to Turkey and see the mass graves for yourself. If the Ottomans wanted to kill the Armenians they would not wated 400 years.

Shah

As for comparing the Armenian treachery with the 7/7 attacks and any possible massacre of Muslims is also incorrect. Firstly 7/7 hasen't threatened the british empire, secondly the attacks according to the confession video of the attacker was retaliation to the Iraq war (which is a holocaust itself) it is not part of a Islamic invasion of Britain therfore comparing this to what the Armenian did and are STILL DOING to Azerbeijan is wrong.

The west, especially France, the Vatican State and the Orthodox church want to destroy Turkey, one of the main Muslim countries, they want to reconquista Istanbul and the Armenian issue is one methods they are using. Interestingly recently a Greek-Orthodox army training video was posted on Youtube showing a Greek unit shouting about conquering 'Constaninople' as part of their training - the Cyprus issue is another weapon used to destroy Turkey.

"islam forbids the killing of innocents and there is no concept of collective guilt."

This depends on the circumstances, sometimes exceptional circumstances require exceptional responses. Generally your statement is correct, but there is a precedent, the Prophet Muhammed(S) in Medina exiled three Jewish tribes on three different occasions when they betrayed the Muslims in war. But this is not the norm in Islam therefore I have to agree with your statement above.

What no one yet has noted is that the Armenians have a very effective lobby in the EU and USA, as do groups such as Cuban, Greeks, Irish, and Jews. However none of the others have such broad effectiveness.
The violence directed towards the Armenians by various ethnic groups in the Ottoman Empire has to be understood in the context of WW1, Armenian violence against Turkomen and Kurdish communities and Russian activities. The violence was primarily inter-communal violence and very distinct from the industrial / mechanised violence of the WW2 Holocaust against Jews and Gypsies in which the Nazis sought to exterminate a people who had in many cases been very loyal German subjects (German Jews in WW1 were awarded 12 times per capita more Iron Crosses for bravery than ethnic Germans. Proportionately far more German Jews volunteered for the front than ethnic Germans) A large proportion of Polish Jews had been German citizens until the creation of Poland after WW1.
The influence that the expatriate Armenian community wields in the USA and EU has repeatedly achieved policy changes which countries like Israel could only dream about. Combine this with the prodigous Greek lobby and you can readily see why Turkey is so easily isolated and pilloried over this and other issues. One can then readily understand why considering the tangible contribution that Turkey provides and provided to international stability and the NATO alliance that Turkey expresses anger and frustration.