The reason it's acceptable is that Israel is a legitimate recognized state with a military. Someday Palestinians will have their own state as well. And that military won't be involved in operating against Israel. Maybe then you will start talking about issues that are actually relevant to British Muslims.

But, in the meantime, the British government doesn't recognize terrorism and fighting for non-state entities.

By all means, you're free to go. But you're also probably going to get arrested in Israel. Or, if you succeed, you will be like the first British suicide bombers, who killed innocents on the Tel Aviv beachfront at Mikes Place in 2003.

In the real world, people aren't applauded for terror. Apparently, in the MPACUK world, they should be.

Is it really worth asking stupid questions like this?

The answer to your question is simple and you know it.

The Palestinian "resistance" are all terrorist organisations because they deliberately target civilians for political purposes. The IDF doesn't deliberately target civilians, as MPACUK well know.

But, in truth, there is no law stopping any Muslims from going to the Occupied Territories to fight with the Palestinian terrorists. Just expect to be treated as a terrorist for doing so.

mashallah a very nice piece indeed, bros i have been saying that for yrs myself, if the zionists can go and fight for israel, muslims have the same rights, double standards the western governments practice as we already know, pity the muslims will get called terrorists and get locked up but not these scum nazi zionists


a very nice article and thanks :)

keep up the good work and inform us...

As I understand it, British Jews who go to fight in Israel become naturalised Israelis. That's their choice, but I'd be extremely concerned if they were allowed to keep their British citizenship. As far as I'm concerned, if you go to fight for a non-British force - Israeli, Palestinian, or any other - you forfeit your right to British citizenship.
So, the answer to the question is no - British Muslims should not be allowed to fight in the Middle East, and neither should British Jews. I think people who want to fight for forces other than our own should post their passport back to the UK upon their arrival "in theatre", severing all ties.

MPACK, the tasks you have under taken is the probably the greatest Jihad (striving for Justice). There are 2 social re-engineering that needs to take place.

1) First is the thinking mindset of the Muslims in the west. That this is our home. We will live and die here. Therefore, it’s critical that we get involved in every aspect of our society. Give active dawah to Muslims and Non Muslims; educate everyone about Islam and breakdown cultural barriers. The Other important part to this is, in order to establish Justice (Obligatory for every Muslims) we need to and have to get involved in mainstream politics.

2) This point is more specific to the article above. And perhaps more challenging. There is a shift in balance currently in the world at this point in our critical juncture of our history. And the shift I’m afraid is more towards extremism, whether this is by Neo-cons in the White House or the White Hall in London or Bin Laden in Tora Bora cave.

Hence you have an illegal state like Israel being funded and supported by the Western World. The Illegal wars and the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. These are under taken by extremists like Bush and Blair. The current status Quo is that if you support the people of Palestine or support the resistance in Iraq or Afghanistan you are seen as the Extremist.

So the balance of justice needs to be re-established in the world again. We need to change the Status quo to the opposite that if you support illegal states (Israel) or occupation of other peoples land (Iraq, Afghanistan) it is illegal and you should be labelled as an extremeist.

Now coming to your specific point in the article, the activity of Zionists going to Israel to kill innocent people children and women will be illegal in this country. But supporting the oppressed, helping Palestinians get their land and property back, helping the end the occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan is legal and moral. This mind set needs to be some how re-established again in the world, across the Muslim world and especially the western world because currently the power and strength of the world lies in this part or the world.

How do we do this is probably more of an important question. Well, I think opening up a debate is a start (therefore I commend Mpacuk). The other thing is that we Muslims need to actively get involved in Tactical Politics, have more just and good people in government, Muslims and non-Muslims. Currently Most MPs support Israel, We need to be in a position where Most if not all MPs declare Israel an Illegal State, no Funding or support is given to the Zionist state.

The result would be that the Media would not be biased towards extremism (Eg. does not supports Israel and Iraq war etc.) Public can be more easily educated and made aware of the truth about Israel. Maybe then we can start shifting the mindset of the world. British Muslims and Non Muslims will be able to go to Palestine to liberate their land and come back as Heroes.

where is the video clip gone?

IDF is a globally recognised and efficient armed force unlike Hamas or Hizbollah. Hamas or Hizbollah militants are not recognised armed forces of any State. They are just a religious fanatics trying to kill innocent women and children.

If British muslims fight for this rag-tag army and invite the wrath of the IDF in responding to this, then they can go and fight for them. Please donot ask for any financial compensation at the end of the day, if they come back in body bags, as is normally the case. Also donot say that they IDF chased the coward suicide bombers (when they got scared) and killed them and dumped their bodies into the sea.

Is it not the time that the British muslims tried to prove their mettle to their Jewish counterparts that they can also compete with them in every walk of life (be it education, science & technology, enterpreneurship, literature or media).

Grow up guys. Prove to the world that the muslims are not illiterate, unemployed fanatics living in ghettos. Prove that you can also dominate every walk of life in an open and liberal society like ours. Official data shows time and again that muslims are behind every other religious community in every walk of life.

I am sure this would not be posted like my previous postings. Because "Truth Hurts"

Sincerely
Truth Seeker

Double-standards by MPAC UK.

A British Citizen may have dual-nationality like many people across The World.

A Brit with dual USA/British Nationality may join the USA Army.

Hence a Briton taking dual Israeli and British citizenship may join the British or Israeli Army.

Since "Palestinians" isn't a state then you cannot have Palestinian citizenship. If Palestinians ever get a State then you may join a Palestinian Army.

Why do you fail to grasp this simple fact?

Surely, joining the Israeli Army is simply joining the Front Line in the War on Terror.

it is difficult to see what possible connection south east asians have with "palestine". there are enough british muslims altready fighting in kashmir.

Asalamo 3alaykom

Allah will punish all murderers inshallah and may allah help all the inosent were ever they are and who ever they may be.

yes i think any british muslims should be allowed to go and fight with palistinians if the the jews can then why cant we

thanks very much for this web sight may allah reward and help you inshallah

and please dont forget chethcnya

jasak allah

What is the difference between Hitler's men pushing women and children into the gass chamber and Olmert's men attacking women and children as they sleep. The end result is the same,DEATH!!!!!

If Zionists are allowed to go to fight for Israel then Muslims should be allowed to go to Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and any other Muslim country under attack. Sadly the self imposed world leaders, Bush and Blair would call those Muslims terrorists. Mind you, they say that now without you going off to fight.

If you have a British father and a German mother, you are entitled to claim a german passport. Were you to do so and go to Germany to work, you would be eligible (if male) to conscription. It would be your choice to claim German nationality and live there. Does this mean that you have to relinquish your British citizenship?
In the same vein if someone british had volunteered to fight alongside the Mujahadin in Afganistan, would they too lose their British nationality?
If someone were to volunteer to work for an organisation like PFLP to support their objectives in creating a Palestinian state and destroying the Zionist entity, does this person too lose their British nationality? If it does then the members of ISM are flying very close to the wind.
If someone promotes the idea of going abroad to join a foreign military force and thereby becomes a recruiting sergeant for that force, does this person lose their nationality?

Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy. This is what the western governments are good at. They keep silent against crimes against humanity be it in Israel, Iraq, Chechnya, etc. Yet some how think they have the moral high ground, yet the reverse true.

Shame on the the western governments ( including Israel ) and the western backed dictators for the inhumanity that you have unleashed on the world.

I can’t believe it, you Zionists are completely deluded, and not even you can accept the actions of the IDF that’s why you are coming out with ridiculous excuses to justify the slaughter of innocent women and children.

‘’Thinker’’ how about you think a little longer about this. If someone wears a uniform does this give them the right to murder innocent people?

Recognition of Israel?? There are a number of nations who do not recognise Israel since it was established just over 50 years ago. Just a gentle reminder that it was the Palestinians who provided Jews with refuge while the rest of the world was intolerant of them.

The actions of the Zionists are far worse then the Nazis and the former regime in South Africa, and in the future anyone who tried to justify or support Israel will be ashamed that they did so. Israeli Terror Must Stop!!!

In response to Jay.

What connection south asian muslim have in common with palestine, well the same conection britsh, russin, black jews have with Isreail. Judaism like Islam is not race.

On 27/11 it was announced that IDF imposed new rules which reduced the number of overseas volunteers eligible to enlist in its ranks. The new criteria, introduced without prior warning and effective immediately, resulted in more than 20 young men being refused enlistment just hours before they expected to be drafted. Several have since returned to their home countries. Since "Mahal 2000", a non-profit IDF recruitment venture, was set up six years ago, there have been growing tensions about it's role. IDF Spokesman stress that Mahal 2000 is not attached to the IDF and information provided by it is not approved by the army. Four years ago, when Mahal 2000 set up its web site providing detailed information on how to enlist in the IDF, only around a dozen overseas volunteers enlisted each year. At present, there an estimated 120 volunteers from overseas (mainly North Americans) who enlist in the IDF each year for a minimum service of 14 and a half months, with most serving in the Nahal infantry brigade. Over the last two years, there has been a dramatic reduction in the upper age limit for overseas volunteers, and a change from having only one Jewish parent, to only those with a Jewish mother. The IDF Spokesman's Office was unwilling to outline its criteria for overseas volunteers saying "The IDF encourages Jews to enlist [by approaching the Ministry of Defense] and sees great importance in their service in the IDF. The policy regarding suitability for enlistment changes from time to time in accordance with the IDF's policies and is known to the bodies that are authorized to deal with these matters." Finally, the IDF said that no changes in criteria related to specific incidents involving IDF soldiers from overseas. [This point contradicts various rumors circulating in foreign enlistment circles.] read Ha'aretz article in full: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=volunteers&itemNo=792187

Earlier today I posted information about the rejection of overseas volunteers for the IDF, but you haven't allowed it as a comment.



You should know that most Diaspora Jewish youths are now unable to enlist as a result of new rules.

I am completely sick of Israel being called a Nazi state, I just cannot understand why this simmilarity is being made. Until they work out their differences on both sides theere can never be peace. Israel isn't systematically killing off all Muslims in gas chambers are they. Israel in many ways is a haven for Muslims in the the middle east and unlike the Nazi state Muslims in Israel have all the rights the Jews and Christians enjoy. Whereas in practically all Islamic countries especially Iran and Saudi Arabia for any minority it is like being a Jew in Germany in the 1930s and 40s. Why exactly is Israel going to give up the land even if stolen to people who are literally destroying the Jewish precence in all their own contries. The Palastinions and the Islamic countries don't help themselves

And i just wanted to say that i am a British Muslims and not what you call "zionazis"

In response to Jan K,

Firstly people would stop calling Israel a Nazi state if it stopped behaving like one, they may not have gas chambers but I bet if they could get the Americans to fund them they wouldn’t hold back!!!

Secondly, last time I checked Saudi Arabia and Iran don’t have gas chambers either, nor do they bomb or try to occupy land of their neighbouring countries, which Israel has managed to do on countless occasions!!

My final point is that when you have your house bulldozed, and someone tries to tell you that you didn’t take care of it anyway so it doesn’t matter, then maybe you can comment on how the Palestinians should be treated.
And I couldn’t give a s*** about what your religious background is.