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MPACUK Puts Women Power on the Agenda Despite Anger & Resistance Print E-mail
Tuesday, 31 October 2006

MPACUK yesterday put “Women’s power” centre stage, after seven years of fighting the mafia that run our mosques.

For nothing more then leafleting outside a mosque asking for their rights to pray and have  a say in the House of Allah, the committees have had their goons attack the sisters, throw eggs at them, call them names like “bitches” and even threatened to kill them.

With our own eyes we have seen the sisters cry, and then summon up the courage to fight again. May Allah bless them in this Jihad. 

This is the real state we Muslim are denying about ourselves. This is the evil that we have allowed to control our Mosques, the cancer that we refuse to treat.

Some amongst the community predictably took the easy “apologists” route out. They became apologists for the evil that MPAC are trying to tackle. Never themselves active in lifting a finger to give a woman her rightful place in the house of Allah, they attack MPAC for “its methods”.

By our methods they mean a simple leaflet outside a mosque? Or perhaps that we raised or voices to loud when we saw our sisters being attacked by a mob and then blamed by the Mosque Leaders for the attack. Only when pressed do they mutter a little “of course the mosque was wrong to do what it did” however as soon as this admission leaves their lips they again attack the sisters for “rocking the boat”. Their own guilt is the real driving force for these slanders; they are in truth shamed by their own inaction.

These apologists are the typical pacified Muslims who have never put their own necks on the line against a mafia like committee, for fear of being outcast by the community, family or even worse physically attacked. No, they want to keep their respect, their liberty, and condemn those who do sacrifice for some noble ideal so that others may get some liberty and perhaps some respect.

What right have these cowards got to talk of MPAC’s noble sisters when even the men of their family have not lifted a finger o protect the House of Allah from falling into the hands of evil men.

To  these Muslim men who now stand so tall saying “it has made our community look bad”, we reply “no your inaction, your cowardice, and your inability to stand up to thugs has made our community look bad, you allowed the evil and then blame us for treating it!”

We ask these brothers and sisters who are so quick to now condemn MPAC on behalf of the community, where were they the last 7 years when the MPAC sisters fought against our politicians and those who vilify us in the Media? When these same MPAC sisters spent their wealth and worked late into the night to defend the hijab and then Iraq, and Palestine and recently the niqab, where were they when these sisters stuck their necks out, giving their own money to rent a room to meet, or print a leaflet, while these same big mouth Muslims kept their money sealed in their pockets. Now they shout and comment at the top of their lungs as if they were defenders of the ummah!

Did these mealy mouth Muslims who condemn the actions of the mosques and then spend three times as long attacking MPAC, ever once think how scary it was for those sisters to have a hundred men surround them, push them, shove them and assault them? Did they ever think how heart breaking it was to know that these men were tasked by Allah to be their protectors not their oppressors!

Those who would condemn MPAC’ campaign for a REAL mosque that REALLY cares for our community, and allows ALL OF US to partake in giving something back, we say “Go back to the rocks from which you crawled, we stand united and we will not stop in bringing justice to the people who are oppressed and that includes the oppression we ourselves allow and unbelievable justify.




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Readers have left 27 comments.
ATEEQ: Quote

we don't mind your argument, but bad media coverage does not solve the issue. Dialogue, time, and persistent does.
(1) 2006-10-31 12:28:16
Rajon: Quote

Brother, you have made a lot of accusations that muslims who complain about your actions are inactive themselves and hence hypocritical. well the reality is bro:
1) just because you carried out an action, doesnt neccasarily make that action OK.
2)There are alot of groups and individual who work very hard in all communities, maybe even more thanyourself but they dont have a ch4 camera shoved in their face so dont get the publicity like yourselves. so please bro, yes you make efforts but dont claim to be the front-runner or only one that completely false!
3)Just like you have seen problems in the muslim community and raised your voice to criticize , so do others have the same right to criticize any action that you may do. thats an islamic duty and we should all accept this as we as individuals and groups will make mistakes.

4)The reason for criticism is for what we saw on TV, which may not reflect all of your work that have been carried out. But if the TV is right in highlighting this method of action as a norm, then bro you will lose alot of support and not from bros but sisters! because there were certain islamic boundaries(legitimate not cultural) that had been crossed! and then end never justifies the means.

but saying that we all make mistakes and im always ready to recieve criticism for any inaction or mistakes that i am guily of. i hope not to offend but give advice, solely because you are bros/sisters in islam and its my duty. forgive me if i offend anyone thats not my intention. w/s
(2) 2006-10-31 13:09:24
Ahmed Mohamed: Quote

I was really disappointed by MPACUK and the way they carried out this usefull agenda. Firstly, as muslims we should never wash our dirty linen in public and secondly, there are better avenues that could be pursued in the hope of changing the mentality of these mosque committees. Once again muslims were highlighted on prime time T.V as a bunch of chauvinists and headless chicken,non better than the other. I am sure so many muslims all over the country are trying to firefight the barage of negativity coming from their non muslim colleagues. Mr Bukhari, with all due respect, it's about time to cool down and think more strategically and have patience. Asalam Aleikum.
(3) 2006-10-31 13:21:53
rocked: Quote

MPAC rocked - as usual well ahead of others in reforming the community - thanks!
(4) 2006-10-31 13:53:36
Sameena: Quote

Well said mpac - dont let these "village idiots" pretend to defend the ummah - where were they when the mosques banned the women in the first place - now they come out complaining because mpac are demanding they be un-banned! LOSERS!

MPAC March forward!
(5) 2006-10-31 13:55:15
Heroes: Quote

I agree for once with MPAC - you guys (and of course sisters) did an amazing job! I would not have the guts to do it - but it needed to be done. Well done your brave - and it seems the community will never even appreciate your efforts. Turn to Allah then for your reward.
(6) 2006-10-31 14:02:21
Leila: Quote

if any thug punched the people on this website who seem anti mpac - lets see how much "adaab and respect" they would show.

Keep it up mpac - these people will never change until it is their sisters who are oppressed and not yours.

Allah is with you all.
(7) 2006-10-31 14:04:21
Aneela: Quote

I am emailing from Saudia Arabia - and want to say thank Allah for some brothers and sisters who stand up against this oppression. If we sisters did this hear we would be attacked and only Allah would stand in the way of our real harm. Dont falter - but be brave and keep the faith.

May Allah guide you. We are with you.
(8) 2006-10-31 14:06:27
Ahmed: Quote

I would like to respond to a couple of my brothers and sisters who seem to think that MPAC's actions were justified. Firstly, aggression would never win you any friends. Secondly, if the objectives of the campaign was to bring about positive change, then I am afraid Mr Bukhari and his cronies failed miserably because they only succeeded in painting muslims and Islam in a negative way. Finally, an overdue piece of advice, please try and initiate dialogues with these committees and inshaAllah good will come out of it.
(9) 2006-10-31 14:46:31
wendy mann: Quote

i wonder are these women still standing outside those mosques, or are they only there for when the tv crews and cameras are present?

will their shouting create a sensible debate and compromise? will people feel that they are dealing with intelligent mature minded individuals or the stupids, loud mouthed attention seekers?

mpac needs to be intelligent and mature in these issues the problem is that it is so very often loud mouthed and puerile. and its a shame.

why be used , why be owned as you are by those vested interests that seek to make islam into their image, as they have done to christianity.

islam is clear. it does not need you to create a new islam. there is a way and a manner in which one should approach these issues, unfortunately it is not in the way mpac chose to act.

read your Koran and UNDERSTAND what is written then seek your Jihad.
(10) 2006-10-31 14:55:54
thehook: Quote

Great work. Brave, march on. You will never please everyone, which is why you're looking towards Allah (SWT) for your reward. No one is going to stand up for the sisters but now they will, and more and more people will hear, listen and Insha-Allah join in to get this job done once and for all.
(11) 2006-10-31 15:20:21
GlobalPeace: Quote

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

With the utmost respect to MPACUK!

I am one of the many professional (brothers & sisters) who are working in our local community to benefit the Muslim Ummah. We have a full time Islamic schools, 2 weekend schools (secular & Islamic), recreational facilities and other activities which are unfortunately not “fully” accessible to the sisters as we would like them to be.

We do realise the problem and are working towards an amicable solution with the local Mosque committees and have made tangible progress on the issue during the last couple of years. Please note that these have not been driven by 9/11 or 7/7 (due to political motives or cheap popularity) rather due to the teachings of Allah & His Rasool; we are not blinkered and absolutely realise that we need to cater for Sisters who are a vital part of the Ummah.

We have made progress but it is slow because we have to break the cultural barriers of Muslims who came from uneducated (both secular & Islamic) backgrounds from India, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Having worked in 3 different continents as a consultant I can say that fortunately this is not true of most Muslims resident in Muslim countries other in Saudi Arabia. Saudees are chauvinistic in nature and their restrictions imposed on women should not be viewed as anything remotely close to the issue of women allowed to pray in the Mosques. Sorry for going off the tangent!

Many of our Muslim sisters are educated professionals and we are proud of them.

Stunts like the one pulled by MPACUK last night on national television saps our collective energy as at least on a local level I believe that it has undermined a lot of our work and we have to rebuild the relationship (particularly with the younger sisters: for the next few weeks me & others will be busy with a lot of younger sisters (6-13) explaining what the program was about!

In my experience almost all “reasonable” brothers & sisters agree with the MPACUK objective but the method was shoddy; this was a bad PR exercise for Islam. You may have the right intentions but you have scored a spectacular own goal (on the Ummah as a whole).

Thanks for hindering our efforts MPACUK!
(12) 2006-10-31 15:59:37
GlobalPeace: Quote

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

With the utmost respect to MPACUK!

I am one of the many professional (brothers & sisters) who are working in our local community to benefit the Muslim Ummah. We have a full time Islamic schools, 2 weekend schools (secular & Islamic), recreational facilities and other activities which are unfortunately not “fully” accessible to the sisters as we would like them to be.

We do realise the problem and are working towards an amicable solution with the local Mosque committees and have made tangible progress on the issue during the last couple of years. Please note that these have not been driven by 9/11 or 7/7 (due to political motives or cheap popularity) rather due to the teachings of Allah & His Rasool; we are not blinkered and absolutely realise that we need to cater for Sisters who are a vital part of the Ummah.

We have made progress but it is slow because we have to break the cultural barriers of Muslims who came from uneducated (both secular & Islamic) backgrounds from India, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Having worked in 3 different continents as a consultant I can say that fortunately this is not true of most Muslims resident in Muslim countries other in Saudi Arabia. Saudees are chauvinistic in nature and their restrictions imposed on women should not be viewed as anything remotely close to the issue of women allowed to pray in the Mosques. Sorry for going off the tangent!

Many of our Muslim sisters are educated professionals and we are proud of them.

Stunts like the one pulled by MPACUK last night on national television saps our collective energy as at least on a local level I believe that it has undermined a lot of our work and we have to rebuild the relationship (particularly with the younger sisters: for the next few weeks me & others will be busy with a lot of younger sisters (6-13) explaining what the program was about!

In my experience almost all “reasonable” brothers & sisters agree with the MPACUK objective but the method was shoddy; this was a bad PR exercise for Islam. You may have the right intentions but you have scored a spectacular own goal (on the Ummah as a whole).

Thanks for hindering our efforts MPACUK!
(13) 2006-10-31 16:01:20
aafreen: Quote

well done mpac we need to shake things up i know some people will agree with the mcb approach 'go and make friends with wives of mosque committee members' to affect change! but we do not have all the time in the world mosque need to be the best they can asap!!
(14) 2006-10-31 16:16:21
vexed: Quote

I normally can't stand MPAC, but on this case they are right. I have read the comments and have to agree that when MPAC gets critised it is always from those who have done nothing themselves.

MPAC i dont like you and never will but you raised the game with your media management after 7/7, the nikad, terror legislation and now with womens rights.

well done and may Allah Bless you.
(15) 2006-10-31 17:53:45
Muslim: Quote

To Mr Bukhari

Dividing the Ummah, is the biggest sin of all!!

I see you and your group have a few issues highlighted by your stunt on C4 your purpose of life.

Firstly I would like to point out, if your group cares so much about women, then just as the men have built the Masjids, why don’t you join the women you are campaigning with, and build their own Masjid, where you can accommodate as you desire. Why try to break other peoples hard work, even if it is below the standards of perfection that you may see.

I also suggest you go to some Islamic institution, preferably abroad, and study Islam. What I saw from the programme on C4, is that basic Islamic knowledge in utterly important.

Also regarding the point of women in Mosques. No one is banned, Islam has made it so easy for women, in that they can make their homes their Mosques. The argument that, ‘women at the time of the Prophet were allowed into the Mosques, and the three most holiest sites in Islam have women attending the Mosques, does not have any legs to stand on at all.’ This is where basic knowledge would help. Even Shaykh Sudais of the Holiest Mosque in Makka, advised to the women of the local area in one sermon, that it is better for them to pray their Salaat at home, rather than come to the Holy Mosque for Friday prayers. If Mr Bukhari does not believe this, I suggest he writes to the Shaykh himself to confirm this and request a few words of advise on this topic. If the Shaykh supports him, they hey, who is anybody to stop you then.

Also if Mr Bukhari consulted Scholars on issues that he would like to see changed, then their advise would be very beneficial. Especially before going on a Mosque crawl, which would only seem confrontational, even though it is only women handing out leaflets outside a Mosque. The question poses, what sort of a women would want to do this, if she has any understanding of the utter importance and obligation of Haya and Ghayrah in Islam?

We have seen the picture quite clearly now. A few stories about Palestine, and Zionists, will not work. It has always been the work of the enemies to work on the passions and sensibilities of the ignorant masses, all for their own gain.
(16) 2006-10-31 18:40:41
JB: Quote

I was really worried that after reaading some of the nonsense that was written on here by people regarding MPACs methods, they would stop in this effort.

I think if you look at countries (islamic and non) that have actively encouraged women to engage in the communities in all areas the society improves. Keeping women out of the mosque and in the homes limits their ability to integrate and seek aid. As you could tell from the women who had suffered domestic violence.

I am so glad the MPAC will be continuing this struggle. Do not be dissuaded by the individuals who are criticising your methodology; you attmepted dialogue and were rebuked and then you attempted peacful demonstration and were attacked. No one is condeming the men, and if they do then they say "they were provoked" that sounds all too much like when men beat their wives and say "you made me do it".

I am sicked by the attitudes of people who saw how the men behaved and then decide to exscuse their behaviour because of what they percieve as provocation!

Exposing an oppresion is not a PR activity it is breaking an oppresive silience!
(17) 2006-10-31 19:14:48
William: Quote

Now how about some action on forced marriage, domestic violence and honour killings?
(18) 2006-10-31 19:45:05
Umm Yahya: Quote

William you complete and utter idiot!
(19) 2006-10-31 22:55:08
J. Bro: Quote

Some points on the programme separated on the lines of ‘valid’ and ‘unvalid’ points:

Valid points:

Some mosque committees are too hungry for power and need to be disrupted

Unvalid point

Getting involved in mosque committees doesn’t happen overnight – which it seems what mpac wants. People need to put in the commitment and volunteer the hours – therefore it can only be done by local women (who can spare that time) and not women from elsewhere who wish to raise an issue and just walk away. Furthermore, how many men under the age of 25 do you know is in a committee? It’s not just a women thing!

Valid points

That some men in the mosque were rude and hotheaded, not very Islamic, and should have debated the issue calmly.

Unvalid points:

Whenever you ‘doorstep’ people, the response is never calm. Mpac’s action was rude and their subsequent articles here have continued to have the same belligerent tone.

Valid points:

Mpac raised the issue that women should not be forbidden from the mosque - as the prophet (pbuh) said - and that some mosques haven’t helped them out as much as they should by making more provisions for women - especially for those who may be away from home for whatever reason. The mosque will also act as a focus point so women can get together and socialise and strengthen their sisterhood.

Unvalid points

Putting to one side the prophet’s saying that women are better off praying at home, or comments made by hazrat Aisah or caliph Uthman on prohibiting women, there are other legitimate issues of practicality. On Friday’s some men don’t even have space to pray and they have to pray on dirty streets. Had there been space for women then some men may well have to go without. That was evident in the programme when one of the women tried to pray on the pavements – behind the other men who had themselves spilled out on the street. Friday prayers are obligatory for men, not so for women, so why would you make your demonstration on a Friday – knowing that it would be jam packed with little or no space – even for men??!

I didn’t go into any detail about the Quran and the hadiths above because I am not a scholar and therefore my views are not valid. If I have any issues, I follow the guidance of a legitimate scholar/(s).

So it begs the question. Whose scholarly advice does mpac follow? In respect to issues like this, we need to know where you get your justification from. Quoting the Quran and the Sunnah is not enough – unless some of the mpac members on the programme yesterday were Islamic scholars? If you do not have any scholarly advice and you are not scholars yourself then what right do you have to raise an issue, which has a lot of religious caveats to consider, like this?

I love it when mpac defends Muslims against the non-muslims, when asghar goes on sky news to counter their vile propaganda. But those issues are black and white. This issue, as I said, needs understanding and comprehension of Islamic texts. So what Islamic credentials, or which scholar, do Mpac have to formulate an opinion on this??
(20) 2006-10-31 23:10:48
anon: Quote

Can someone tell me how anyone criticising Mpac suddenly becomes a lazy oaf, who sits in his armchair doing nothing??

Is that because you're losing the argument - it would seem so by the comments on the varies threads here.



Please do not pass judgement on other people - only Allah knows.
(21) 2006-10-31 23:17:37
millham street mosque: Quote

On what basis do you call mosque leaders "goons" "mafia leaders"? MPAC you really are reaching desperately to create controversy where there is none. Your sisters were not touched outside millham street mosque and you know it. so grow up- stop attacking the houses of allah and stop attacking the scholars of islam. get yourself treated for ADHD. if it was up to you mosque's would be converted from houses of worship to houses of socialisation, gossip, intermingling and fun and games.
(22) 2006-11-01 09:53:45
Mr Police Man: Quote

Looks like the Milham street mosque guji mafia are out posting on this thread, @we havent touched the sisters honest! LOL

err i think the police report will disagree with you there brothers, i was outside milham that day and was the one who called the police after seeing them attacked!
(23) 2006-11-01 14:43:09
Kathy: Quote

Millham Street Mosque:

MPAC were right to confront this issue and I would be the first to admit that it is sad that it has come to this but if people do not want to hear the sisters then they must suffer the consequences. The behaviour and attitudes of the men outside of your Mosque was nothing short of disgusting. You showed yourselves as male chauvanist hypocrytes. You claim it is the House of Allah and yet you treat it as if it were a male only club. Most of your committee members are probably 1st generation immigrants from the subcontinent who have brought with them their cultural, rather than Islamic values. These are often the people who are shown as typical Muslims when the media wants to distort Islam.

Why, when in the time of the Holy Prophet, women were allowed to Pray in the Mosques and why are they allowed to Pray in the Mosques in Mecca and Medina and yet not at Millham Street? Do your Mosque committee put themselves above the Words of The Holy Prophet? It is time that some of these Mosque committees gave way to the younger generation of Muslims who may not be so steeped in their Asian culture as to mix it up with the teachings of Islam.

I see no reason why the Mosques should not play a role in the community as places where Muslims can meet and discuss problems with their peers and seek help if they need to. Especially in these days when so many are anti Muslim your communities need to support one another. The Mosque should be the centre of the community, all of the community. I do not believe that any one would disrespect the place, rather they would add to it. For God's sake, drag yourselves into 21st century UK instead of living 5000 miles away in the past.
(24) 2006-11-01 15:13:38
FightThePower: Quote

Whats the difference between a Mosque Committee and the Mafia?

The Mafia beat their women indoors.
(25) 2006-11-02 05:33:04
Aziz: Quote

Salaam,I think its deplorable that MPAC thinks its justified to call people who run this country's mosques "Evil men" or "mafia like". Whatever your views on mosque committee members, it is not place or islamically correct for MPAC or anyone else to label another muslim as evil, let alone those who work hard to keep mosques running. How many mosques have MPAC members built up and run? Do they propose to raise funds to help mosques create extra facilities? The aggressive use of negativelanguage and tabloid like coverage on this website is typical of MPACs approach to all issues.

The question of why MPAC chose Jumma namaaz as the time to engage in their actions is a clear demonstration of their intent to cause problems rather than engage in adult discussion. If you wanted to speak to a Christian priest, would you turn up in the middle of a Sunday service? of course not.On the issue of women entering a mosque, of course its preferable that all mosques have facilities for women. But this is the real world, not all mosques have space or resources to facilitate this. Priority on Fridays in particular has to go on men (where limited space is available) since it is compulsory for men to attend and not women. I myself as a man have had to read Jummah outside on the street at a number of mosques, there is nothing special about this.

MPAC members targeting mosques in areas where their members do not even live is again a display of political agenda and cunning, not a will to do good. If MPAC members want involvement in mosque committees and want to influence Muslim society they should work with people, suggest and work to implement solutions and not just highlight and exaggerate problems. Much of these issues take patience, time, money and effort to resolve.

Also, Mr Bukhari should learn to calm down and engage in discussions. Its almost laughable watching him in action. Is the pointing and wagging of fingers, shouting at people, lack of respect for other speakers supposed to reflect well on muslims? Would it be acceptable in any professional environment or in political engagement? Merely the sight of him sat in a serious meeting with a bluetooth headset on was enough to show that he has little respect for others. Basic etiquette seems to be missing from MPACs approach to people.

I really do hope inshallah that MPAC do take some of the comments people are making on board and change their approach. I fear however that they will be typically defensive and arrogant in their response.In the case of this documentary, one small step forward for Asghar Bukhari and MPAC seems to have been a giant leap backwards for British Muslims.

As a final point on the documentary, it was disappointing that one of the sisters made the bizarre point that it is unusual for muslim families to support daughters in study. This is creating a totally false impression. There are so many educated sisters out their (mashallah) that have full backing and encouragement from their families and the community. Does she think she is a minority or that she is an over achiever? It's hard to tell if this stems from her own personal arrogance and ignorance or a common MPAC trait, either way, it’s a damaging and inaccurate image to portray of the UK Muslim community.
(26) 2006-11-02 13:10:27
Kathy: Quote

Um Yahya:

That was not an intelligent answer to William's post. It is a fact that forced marriages, domestic violence and honour killings do exist in the Muslim community albeit perhaps amonst the less educated. Yes, before you point it out domestic violence is a British issue also, across all of our society.

Forced marriages are forbidden in Islam but many parents continue with this pracise, causing absolute misery to their children, usually daughters. Again, it is a cultural practise which becomes mixed up in the Religion. Dare I say it is a very Asian thing and it is also practised amongst the Sikhs and some Hindus. Honour killings are also something which needs to be dealt with by the community and in my mind any Muslim who condones honour killing should prepare to face the fires of hell. This again shows the attitude towards women, practised by some Muslim men. Their pride and family name is more important that the life of their daughter. These peole will surely burn in hell too.

These are the things which are seen as the norm for Muslims by the general population of this country and they are behaviours, no matter how infrequently they occur, that need to be addressed not responded to as you have to William.

Grow up young man!!!
(27) 2006-11-02 16:34:30
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