| Muslims Are The New Jews, Says The Times |
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By India Knight Very little makes sense in this business about Jack Straw, Muslim women and veils. Aishah Azmi, a teaching assistant from Dewsbury, Yorks, was last week suspended for refusing to take her veil off in class - she was allowed to wear it everywhere else at school, but, rightly to my mind, was told by her local education authority that her pupils, who are mostly learning English as a second language, needed to see her mouth when she taught. This seems entirely sensible. The rest of the whole sorry 'debate' is anything but. The white, male former foreign secretary said the veil was a “visible statement of separation and of difference”, and that he asks women who visit his surgery to remove it. And nuns? Does he demand to see their hair, too? It’s open season on Islam — Muslims are the new Jews. And the idea that Straw’s divisive statement should not only be tolerated but adopted on all sides, as it has been with a kind of bullying relish, troubles me. Especially since July 7, it has become acceptable to say the most ignorant, degrading things about Islam. And then we all sit around wondering why young Muslim men appear to be getting angrier and more politicised, or why “westernised” young Muslim women whose mothers go bare-headed are suddenly, defiantly, opting for the full-on niqab-style veil that leaves only a slit for the eyes. I am particularly irked by ancient old “feminists” wheeling out themselves and their 30-years-out-of-date opinions to reiterate the old chestnut that Islam, by its nature, oppresses women (unlike the Bible, eh,?) and that the veil compounds the blanket oppression. In their view all Muslim women are crushed because they can’t wear visible lipstick or flash their thongs. Does it occur to these idiots that not necessarily everyone swoons with admiration at the fact that they have won the freedom to dress like 55-year-old slappers? That perhaps there exist large sections of our democratic society, veiled or otherwise, who have every right to their modesty, just as their detractors have every right to wear push-up bras? But I’ll get to that in a minute. I should start by saying that my mother was born in Pakistan of a Hindu mother and a Muslim father. She was convent-educated and went on to marry two Catholics (not at the same time). I therefore — unlike some “offended” Wasp commentators — know what I’m talking about, a) because of my endless “aunties”, and b) through spending much of my childhood in India and Pakistan. Given the mish-mash of my ancestry, religious bigotry brings me out in hives. And what we are witnessing is religious bigotry of the most shameful kind. The words used in the context of the veil debate — “strange”, “spooky”, “weird”, “offensive”, “creepy”, “wrong”, “evil-looking”, “sinister” — are not words a civilised society should use about other human beings. People are made uncomfortable by all sorts of things: I find shaven-headed, tattooed men unpleasant, especially if they’re drunk. I’m not mad keen on hooded gangs of youths at three in the morning. Facial piercings hurt my eyes. My former husband and I once went to look at a house we were thinking of buying in a Jewish Orthodox bit of London. As it happened we were the only non-Orthodox people on that bit of pavement that morning. I noticed a group of Hassidim were walking around us in a peculiar way. “They’re avoiding our shadows,” the estate agent said, “because we’re unclean.” I didn’t think much of that, either. But we all need to coexist peaceably. The fact that I find the man in Camden market with bolts through his face, or the Orthodox woman dressed in a drab sack and wearing a bad wig, as “weird” — weirder, actually — than a woman dressed in black with only her eyes showing is neither here nor there. I don’t expect they think much of me, either. But I would have to be deranged, or consumed with hatred, to attribute random demerits to them on the basis of their physical appearance. A lot of people are made uncomfortable by disability, for instance — but because they live in a civilised society they don’t say it. Imagine if Straw had said, “There are an awful lot of autistic people in my constituency. I tell them to look me right in the eye, otherwise I can’t help them.” Would there not be an outcry? I’m sorry to equate Islam with disability, but I am doing so because an observant person’s religion is as integral a part of them as their genetic make-up. Oppressed women are everywhere: there’s probably one living in your street. She may be a Muslim wearing a veil, or a white woman whose husband beats her. She may be covered from head to toe, dressed like a librarian, or fond of micro-skirts. She may be your mother or your sister. She may be you — regardless of how you dress, what you believe or where you come from. And that is the point. Unhappy, abused people come in all colours, shapes and sizes. It is absurd to suddenly, appoint ourselves moral arbiters, and decree, very loudly, that a piece of fabric is an indicator of an unhappy, down-trodden life. Happy people come in all formats too. The concept of the men hanging out together while the women “work” in the kitchen may seem peculiar to a non-Muslim — though not that peculiar, given that a less formalised version of the same thing happens whenever you have friends round — but I’ve been to many memorable, jolly parties where gangs of Muslim women ate, gossiped and laughed together without seeming overwhelmingly oppressed, or indeed, oppressed at all. My experience of Muslim life is not that it is the patriarchal nightmare of legend, but that women are powerful, vocal and iron-fisted beneath their velvet gloves. This is a subjective viewpoint: I am not claiming that every Muslim woman in the world is gloriously carefree. They aren’t (who is?), and I am particularly offended by Straw’s comments because the women Straw described are by and large first-generation immigrants — ie, poor working-class women trying to get on with their lives. I wonder why none of the army of instant experts has pointed out that, by and large, middle and upper middle-class Muslim women do not veil themselves unless they have the misfortune to live in a country that insists on it. So Straw and his acolytes — the self-appointed sisterhood among them — are picking on the women who are most voiceless and least able to defend themselves. They should be ashamed.
Source: The Times Readers have left 24 comments.
Joe Smith:
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great article, if only other peace and freedom loving people wrote similar articles.
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2006-10-15 22:44:49
Thumbs Up:
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Sensible article with balanced observation.
It's from the Times? Are you sure? There got to be a catch somewhere. This is one in a million, which slipped the wide, constrained net of the Times editor. Rupert is not going to be happy.
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2006-10-16 00:39:01
Khadeja Khan:
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Excellent article.
It just goes to show how wrong prejudice is, even against The Times newspaper. ( Thus I declare defiantly, as I shield myself against missiles hurled at me by Guardian and Independent readers!) "Can the devil speak true?" ( Shakespeare) Yes. Sometimes.
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2006-10-16 05:57:04
William:
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The thrust of the argument is simply wrong. The wearing of niqab is on the increase in the UK, as a political and cultural statement of intentional separateness, by educated and politicised younger muslim women. Their mothers saw no need.
The violent enforcement of niqab or burqa in Muslim states is another matter entirely, though many of the "moderates" who support MPAC would no doubt like to see it here too.
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2006-10-16 08:04:09
abuyusuf:
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Good Article (unusual for The Times). The Title of this piece ("Muslims New Jews") is something that has been playing on my mind for a while now. The campaign of demonising Islam and its basic values by policiticans and the media has progressed unchecked and unchallenged and is now starting to be accepted as legitimate comment. I remember thinking at the time of the genocide in Bosnia, "you know what, this could so easily happen to us one day". It's scary to think that day could soon be upon us. We, the muslim community, have to take part of the blame for our current situation. Like in Bosnia, we have moved away from Allah and his Prophet and become preoccupied with the trappings of this world so as promised we will be punished accordingly. The question that needs answering is what can we do? Emigrating is one option, but those of us that were born and bred in this country have nowhere to run (don't be fooled into thinking we will be welcomed with open arms in our country of origin). Come on MPACUK, stop mumbling on about some vague "Political Jihad" and give us some real suggestions.
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2006-10-16 08:58:46
Asad:
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Yes, I would endorse most of what the writer has written ... any sensible minded person who doesn't have an axe to grind would.
If Muslims are the new Jews, then isn't it clear who the new Nazis are?
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2006-10-16 09:25:54
Kathy:
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William
I do not see how the veil causes separateness, especially if it is, as you say, being worn by educated young women. These same women work in our society and are mixing daily with us. It is the bigots and racists of this country who choose to read something else into the way these young women dress. It is their right and freedom to choose what they wear. The racist BNP supporters wear swastica tatoos, which I find much more offensive than a veil. Many in our society have facial piercings which quite honestly make me shudder but I do not deny them their right to do with their bodies what they want. This article is very well written and I only wish it could be copied into the likes of The Sun where it may be read by those people in our country who follow like sheep everything that is written there. You never know they may actually learn something.
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2006-10-16 11:19:21
Shazy:
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If the Muslims are the new Jews. Dies this mean that at the end of this current phase one in three Muslims will be dead in this latest Holocaust. Does this mean that Muslims will create their own form of Zionism in response? Does this mean that non-Muslims will call Muslims pigs and monkeys? Will Muslims have to wear special badges and be denied human rights everywhere?
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2006-10-16 11:34:44
Rick B:
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Well Shazy, it's obvious that the Europeans will have a harder time wiping out all the muslims because there a lot more of them than jews (worldwide). But it is possible that European muslims could be victimized and suffer terrible consequences from the current neocon agenda. Also remember that arabs (who obviously comprise a large number of muslims) are also semites - the same race as the jews so the same fascist tendencies could be at work.
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2006-10-16 16:17:46
Asad:
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To William,
Words are cheap. How is a Muslim woman wearing a veil at the same time as visiting an MP's surgery being a separatist? How is a Muslim woman wearing a veil and willingly wanting to work in a school being a separatist? It is ironic that 'their mothers' whom you are quick to promote were, infact, closer to being separatists for various reasons than these young educated women whose actions clearly suggest otherwise. Can you explain please?
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2006-10-16 16:31:58
Hijra:
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Most Muslims living in Britain are of Pakistani Origin. I was not born in UK but I lived there for 10 years. I am as british as any of you Pakistani Origin British Borns are.
Done it all and even ate fish and chips. In fact I may say that I am more british (if that makes any sense) cause i hung out mostly with white people whose ancestors have inhabitted that land for quite some time. Hated bangra and the asian rude boy scene......but had great Asian friends too. Its time you packed up and came back to the land of your ancestors. I know no one is going to give you a reception like as if you were returning from Hajj/Umrah. There are many hardships here but I tell you will feel more at home here. With all the bad, no one can deny that the teachings of Islam are still visible more so than the UK. Pakistan has a population of 150,000,000. If even 10% of these are 'good muslims' thats 15,000,000. Thats a lot more than the 2 million in the UK even if 100% were momins. Come back. Lots of dawa to do here. What the Kuffar conceal in their hearts is worse than what has already come out of their mouths. Lets make this place better, your parents went their for economic reasons. Time to come back for Islam. The show must go on! And soon its really gonna ROCK!
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2006-10-16 21:17:17
Shazy:
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Ricky B. Even though a lot of people like sounding off about Islamophobia nothing that Muslims are facing in Europe, the USA or the Middle East is anything like the ghettoisation, denial of basic human rights, forced conversion, pogroms, forcing them to wear special and distinctive clothes and badges and so on that Jews experienced almost everywhere they lived. The only real exception is China. So long as everyone keeps claiming that what is happening to Muslims is the Holocaust and the Israeli-Jews are Nazis, then these claims can be ignored. We use these terms to claim parity with the victimisation and suffering of the Jews over the last 2000 years and to hurt the Jewish Israelis. How stupid can we get when we are trying to get these same Israeli Jews to listen to our pleas.
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2006-10-17 07:20:49
Khadeja Khan:
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I have just been sent a copy e mail of a post on here by Shazy that seems to have been expunged from the website.
This is sad because Shazy is speaking the truth as far as Muslims suffering under their own governments in Europe, USA and Middle East are concerned. What we might call "civil" oppression of Muslims is nowhere near what has been done for centuries to the Jews in the past. We must face facts. Nor can the crusades against the Muslims 1000 years ago begin to compare with the Albigensian crusades against the Cathars in Southern France. Nor can the Spanish Inquisition begin to compare in utter cruelty with the original Roman Catholic Inquisition against the Cathars. Read "Talisman" by Bauval & Hancock.(Find out what happened to the people who lived before.) True, the military aggression against majority Muslim states in this day and age is unjust & appalling devastation, illegal under international law and the Law of Allah. The open military & creeping hypocritical underhand n-zi-like oppression by the Isra-l- state against its indigenous people and its neighbours, is one of the biggest disgraces of this age and totally opposite to the Torah and true teaching of Moses/Musa. That is a situation truly serious and truly urgent. Even so-called "white so-called kaffirs" can see that . Some are even dying in their efforts to help free Palestine. What are we doing? Whingeing about "Islamophobia" when Allah says in Qur'an, 29:2," Do people think they will get away by saying:'We beleieve', and they will not be tested?" So let's get a sense of proportion. Work diligently against the real wrongs being suffered by people here in UK AND across the world but don't exaggerate minor inconveniences in UK. That is the behaviour as of spoilt children and helps no one. We ALL have to answer to Allah.
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2006-10-17 08:28:16
FARAH:
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This article is devoted to the likes of Shahid Malik, whose disgusting remarks have struck me and led me to an attempt of using the ever enforced ‘freedom of speech’ and expressing my views.
Shahid Malik is a classical example of an apparent ‘moderate Muslim’ one who seems to think giving up a part of his religion would make him ‘Moderate’ in ghetto terms (a coconut) it can safely be said that these people give up a part of their religion, or deny it to fit in as ‘moderate Muslims’ and are almost uncomfortable to be known as Muslims. ‘I love Christmas lights’ was the remark of this MP, who openly defended the right to wear a cross, yet he stood beside Straw’s comments on degrading the niqab? Maliks views are very accumulating to those of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, those who are happy to be Muslim in private places but westernised and British in civic place. Another daunting comment by him was on the dear sister Aisha Azmi (may Allah swt help her through this trial) where the sister was happy to ‘unveil’ herself in front of her class, but to cover in front of male colleagues, this particular ‘example of modernity’ went so far as to twist her words, and claim that this could not be done in a mixed school, despite the fact that the sister did not demand the males in the school to be sacked, but have the right to cover herself infront of her male colleagues. But Malik seemed to have an urge to go one step further, where a sister was being attacked already; he seemed to feel it was his duty to attack her further. I myself like, him am fully for the cross, the turban and the Kara, but equally well I am more than comfortable in supporting the Muslim women’s right to modesty. I feel it’s my duty as a Muslim to protect this noble ‘symbol’ and alhamdulilah I still consider my self a moderate Muslim. He seems to think that Islam is getting ‘special treatment’, and with all due respect it is, but special treatment as in our women degraded, our scholars labels and stigmatised. If Hindu’s and Sikhs want this special treatment…. Ahlan wa’sahlan. The media brainwashes the obtuse minority who base their facts on what they see in the media, and so trigger the attacks on our sisters, who wear the niqab for one reason and one reason only…… to please Allah swt. Is that so wrong? And even if you think the niqab is dodgy as some other ‘Muslim brothers’ have expressed, it’s your duty to protect it for that sheer reason…. The pleasure of Allah swt. A rushed concern!
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2006-10-17 11:59:32
Caroline Jones:
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A well written and reasoned piece. But there is no getting away from the fact that the wearing of the veil is not appropriate in some situations and professions. Teaching and nursing, for example, where communication is vital. As several commentators have remarked here, the wearing of the full veil is perceived as a statement of radicalisation. Is this helpful in a secular society? It signals apartness and a rejection of society, at least that is how it looks to those of us who are not Muslims. We want to understand, but there seems to be a high degree of paranoia, on the part of some Muslims, that anyone who questions is part of some Zionist conspiracy. We need to live together. It requires tolerance on both sides.
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2006-10-17 13:01:00
Guard the Guards:
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OFFENSIVE, SIMPLY OFFENSIVE:
Muslims are the new Jews, how can we even accept this extremely ill conceived heading for an article. First of all, Muslims numbering over 1.5 Billion (Billion not million), and growing, are a much stronger force, economically, militarily and professionally. Muslims are merely going through a difficult period in the West, a wake-up call really to unite and stand up for the weak, hungry, tired, young, old, black, white or brown. This is just a hiccup in the greater scheme of things. In actual fact, the West is shooting itself in the foot really, by targetting the Muslim Umma, they have done more to unite than divide us, it is a slow process, but an ongoing one nevertheless. Example, by removing Saddam Hussain from power has given the Shias real political power in Iraq and in turn has strengthened the Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon axis. By getting bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, the West has allowed North Korea and Iran to develop their Nuclear fuels, for weapons or power is irrelevant. More countries to follow within the next 5-years. The Bush-Blair "War on Terror" has pushed young intelligent Muslim women living and educated in the West to show their distate for Western aggression by doning the Niqab/Hijab etc., in increasing numbers. This has been going on since the 9/11 incident and growing by the day. More Muslims are now increasingly getting involved in Politics and aware of what the UK and US Parliament/Congress/Senate are upto then ever before, this has very specific and meaningful implications for the future of Politics and Politicians. Muslims are a powerful force, we are so unlike the Jews, so please.
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2006-10-17 15:21:01
Karim Khan:
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Can someone please tell me, how Muslims are not intergrating in British Society? Please William or any other non-Muslim on this forum, answer that question for me. And if you have the time can you answer the following questions too.
1) Define being British and Intergrated? 2)How are Islamic values incompatible with British values? I will really appreciate it if some non-muslim can answer these questions for me.
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2006-10-17 16:53:13
Shazy:
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Khadeja Khan: Thanks for your words. It seems to me that too often we cry out Nazi, genocide, holocaust or islamophobia when none of these really apply. We are just crying wolf, and we have done it so often that no one listens anymore.
I quote this from the founder of the only Arab museum dealing with the Holocaust: Mahameed believes contributions such as his are necessary to the Mideast peace effort. Said Mahameed: "Understanding this and the fact that personal security is perhaps the major concern of Jews in Israel and elsewhere, as a direct outcome of the Holocaust and the feelings of persecution, is extremely important. "If we, as Arabs, can dissipate these concerns and show understanding over what happened it will help create the climate for real dialogue in which Israeli Jews and especially decision-makers will be able to have a greater understanding of the suffering of Arab citizens and the Palestinians. "This, in turn, would hopefully lead towards a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and an end to discriminatory policies towards Arab citizens and the acceptance that they deserve equal rights." Mahameed is not without his critics, not only among Arabs who say that Mahameed should do more to draw attention to the situation of present-day Palestinians, but also representatives of the Israel office of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League (ADL), who have stated without visiting the museum that they consider some of the attitudes expressed on Mahameed's website to be anti-Semitic. If we continue to use the Holocaust and the term Nazi to hurt the Jews, it's no wonder they turn their back on our suffering.
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2006-10-17 17:48:41
Karim Khan:
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To William
"The veil IS being used to express deliberate separation- according to some of the women themselves!" If some women are using the veil as a way to show their rejection of the western way of life thats their problem. I can't force my opinion on what the individual wants to do. However I don't agree with it, but I want to know in what context did they mean rejection of the Western way of life. I for one don't see the need to see someone's face when I talk to them. I am a sales manager and i talk to customers all the time over the phone. We have been supplying some of the customers for years and i have a very good relationship with all my customers, but yet I haven't seen none of their faces. Getting back to the point, you still haven't answered my questions. 1)Define being British and Intergrated? 2)How are Islamic values incompatible with British values? Please answer the above questions.
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2006-10-18 16:20:05
Asad:
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William,
Firslty, can I thank you for putting across your argument in an honest manner which, I can see, you clearly believe in. Of course, you can pick out certain individuals and use it to support your point. If these women are saying they wear the veil to 'separate' from the rest of the community then they are clearly in the wrong in my opinion. However, if they are saying they reject Western values such as pubs, clubs, binge drinking, dressing in scantily clad clothes etc, etc then I would support them as would many non-muslims. Also, I personally know women who choose to wear the veil so that they can participate in the wider community. They believe that this gives them the freedom to do so. What would you say to these women?
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2006-10-18 17:42:43
mohsin:
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Hijra :
you a "wannabe" British type ? lol. living in a country for 10 years, and eating their fish/chips makes you british ? Oi did u know, Curry is the UK national food now ?lol. Im British born asian, (ethnically paki/scottish) and lived in Japan for 10 years, lol, so am I Japanese ? Oh I also had Japanese friends, and eat loads of Sushi. Im a Japanese Scot, hhehe, lol. "Hijra" = "Tunnel Vision". ahaaaaa, globalization !!
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2006-10-18 23:00:26
Darren Sharrocks:
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HiTo the author of the article yes lots of educated middle class muslim women do were the hajab and some wear the nikab. To wear them does not equal backwardness or opression. In fact it is a symbol of freedoom. My My what short memories we have, the anti muslim bashing did not start with the straw coments, its been there every day for over 10 years with constant news stories of mulims terrorists. Yes we all know the Palistinians are muslims and Obl is one was well, muslim bashing was well in season before 911. So lets be clear its nothing new
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2006-10-22 22:43:58
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