Well here is another example of American democracy in action.

Well the truth of the matter is the So called General turned to President saw the threat as for real and caved in to allowing the USA to carry out an illegal unfounded war on Afghanistan.

And as for being bombed in to the Stone Age, well everyone knows that Pakistan has never made it to the stone age, so if the USA were going to do that I would consider it as a bonus.

And why now does Pakistan start saying that the USA were making ludicrous threats. I mean 5 years later Pakistan decides to speak out.

Its like a saying

"Even the cat in its own back yard thinks its a lion"

this proves how much of a dispicable ditator musharruf is. even after knowing what america thinks of pakistan and muslims he still said "i am a staunch ally of america in its war on terror" and follows american command to kill his own people. this low life scum and others like him are the real problem the ummah faces. they strive hard to please the kuffar while totally disregarding there own people. we must work hard to remove leaders like this if we are not to meet the fate of our iraqi brothers.

But Pakistan is still stupid enough to support them.

Wheather they are with them or not, Pakistan will be the American/zionist target in the near future; isreal can't stand a Muslim populated nation with the atomic bomb!!!!!

This seems like a sound-bite designed to make the Bush administration look tough and not like the incompetents who let Osama skip over the border into Pakistan and get away scot-free.

The problem with the majority of Muslims, including a sinner like myself (May Allah forgive me) is that in our daily lives are full of contradictions. We have pick and choose attitude with Islamic teachings. We find it so convenient to leave (read violate) the teachings of the Qur’an that do not suit us. This attitude applies to Seerah of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). I hope readers of this website still remember the speech of Musharraf that he gave immediately after 9/11 in which he clearly said that Taliban had disappointed him. He said he had tried hard to convince the Taliban to change their strategy but they did not listen. Then he mentioned Hudabiyah and I remember some friends commenting on this, “Whenever cowards want to prove their point they bring Hudabiah.” Does it not mean that there is no lesson for Muslims in this important chapter of Islamic history?

Let the readers know that the first step of the strategy of US, Israel and India was to capture nuclear facilities of Pakistan. Would it have been easy for them? The answer may be found in Iyer’s, a former Indian diplomat turned politician, book. According to him during Gen Zia’s time, when Iyer was the first secretary, in Indian Embassy in Islamabad, some politicians came to him and requested him to persuade Indian Government to attack Pakistan. Their argument was that since Pakistan was involved in Afghanistan, it won’t be able to stand Indian assault and Pakistani army will be discredited. So this is the character of Pakistani politicians.

Obviously Musharraf knew his people and the Pakistani politicians. As for American threat it was very real. Let no one be fooled to assume that it was not real. Are the world events not enough to prove it? As it is Maghrib time I have to stop here.

The way the US has treated Pakistan is utterly disgusting. It just goes to show the US will not think twice about killing innocent people to achive thier goals. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush authorised the threats to Pakistan to go ahead.
Gen Musharaf was only thinking of his country when agreed to fight against freedom of speach. The US also asked Pakistan to suppress people that were oppossed to the US, which just goes to show that the US is a supporter of freedom as long as it favours the US.
A cant wait to read Musharraf new book! Should be interesting.

Dear editor,

IN LIGHT OF GENERAL MISTRUST AND ILL-TREATMENT OF MUSLIMS ACROSS THE UK, PLS PUBLISH THE FOLLOWING TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. THIS IS A RESPONSE I POSTED ON A FORUM IN RETALIATION TO JUVENILE AND STUPID COMMENTS

Wake up people...

the western media would love u all 2 believ that muslims are a bunch of murderous, deluded animals who will kill the non-believers for the sake of 72 virgins in paradise...

Ths is so far from the truth it is comical.

How many decades have muslims lived in the west before 9-11? Do you remember muslims being branded killers b4 then? Was there a muslim killing spree going on in UK and USA? were you or your families attacked?

Exactly...so 1 incident suddenyl makes us terrorists does it?

I am sure you have been to scholl, worked with, been mates even, with a muslim. Possibly. Did u ever get the feeling they wanted to hurt or kill you coz u were not muslim? did they beat u up?

Exactly.

Why do u believe the news ? are you so gullible u cannot analyse situations for yourself?

A corrupt US government who seeks short term wealth by pillaging the holy lands for oil under the guise of WMDs. Oppression of muslims the world over. There is evidence that the British Attorney General in the last century quite clearly stated that Islamic brotherhood had to be stopped at all costs. Know that Islam is one nation regardless of creed, colour, culture,sex. Hence the British decide to divide and rule, giving muslims labels...Turks, Kurds, pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshi, Saudi etc. You are the experts, you do the research and prove me wrong.

The Us and Uk didn't find WMDs in Iraq, there were none coz they blew them all up in the 3,000 bombs a nite killing spree they justified in the name of democracy. WHy? coz they sold up to saddam in the first place.

All they are after is the Oil and money that goes with it. How do they get it, blow up all the muslim countries and put their corrupt @democratic" mates in power. Get a Middle East stronghold and justify it by labelling muslims dangerous.All the oil and money in the world. Not for u hard working, honest folks in the uS but for these greedy faggots in power who want a penthouse suite and a cigar in the morning, before lunch, after lunch, and maybe 4 more before bed; for a lifetime golf membership and five star hotels every weekend.

Why is Islam such a threat to the West...because they know it is the truth. It prompts equality, kindness, brotherhood and unity all things alien to the capitalistic west.

What are you scared of..I challenge you to research all the so called religions out there and then you yourself will see that Islam is the only religion without contradiction.

There is a reason for everything...there is no other "force" that created this planet other than Allah. There can only be one God, that is the very definition of divinity. There has to be A God (think about this), BIG BANG is not scientifically sound. There is no need for many dieties, because by above defintion, a God should be all knowing and all powerful. Christianity promotes 3 gods, impossible; God cannot be simultaneously divine and a man (Jesus). Jews refuse to look beyond their own prophets although there is historical proof Jesus and Muhammad (PBUT) existed, Hinduism – have a think about it?)...anything else isn't mainstream enough to be a competitor to Islam. You can choose to believe in nothing, but then how did u get here? Only by reading about Islam can you really see its benefits, I cannot explain here, but pls folks take up my challenge - you might surprise urselves.

Back to my point about "muslims are a bunch of murderous, deluded animals who will kill the non-believers for the sake of 72 virgins in paradise"

Murder is forbidden in Isalm unless in self defence. A verse in the holy book says something like "if a man kills it is as if he has killed all mankind & a man who saves a life it is as if he saved all of mankind"

Killing is only allowed when you are oppressed and forced to fight..a muslim dying to save his land and people commits Jihad, not someone who blows up a bus (he is branded a murderer and a suicide case - both of which are banned - he goes to hell not paradise). However the poor guy blows himself up coz he feels like there is no choice but to fite the US and Israel. He sees his ppl getting blown up by a superior army, bullied, oppressed (research Israeli treatment of Palestinians over 30 yrs - proof complete), he loses a brother and mother (as an example), he feels hate. The only thng that is bettre than the hurt and the injustice is to kill himslef & he can get others through killing himself also; his motive is wrong but his cause is worthy - to help his ppl.Unfortunately the poor guy has misminterpreted the Qur'an and feels he is doing Jihad. Jihad measn striving for Allah's cause, Jihad is what I am doing now, defending my religion, not killing you lot. Muslims have been instructed to live ppeacefully alongside their neighbours respecting whatever they believe (remmber there is no compulsion, rather propagation which is what i am doing here). This is what has happened in most of the Middle East and rest of the world for centuries. What's suddenly changed? The greed of the Western leaders has; society has got more corrupt - do you disagree; society sees sickos, paedophiles, rapists. Find out about Islam and see how islamic law & capital punishment deters these sickos. compare US, Uk, Barazilian, Arab crime stats and prove me wrong.

The Qur'a says "there is no compulsion in religion". Man has been given a free will, but Allah has sent signs. He is not cruel, he has given guidelines so that wehn we die, if we followed his guidelines, we go to paradise (this is all of humanity, not just muslism). If we ignore the guidelines we go to hel. fair enough, it's not like we weren' t warned. So how is God cruel? We are here to folow God and sacrifice materila things which we leave behind when we die anyway. The real reward awaits us but there is a big enuff incentive to avoid the brutal hell.

To end my posting, I think I have explained why we are not murderers or deluded. Obviously Muhammad (OPBUH) was forced to fight for his religion, his God, his ppl . But he did not kill ppl because they wouldn't become muslim. You will not finda quote anywherr that says this.

And by the way there is the reward of virgin wives for those lucky enuff to deserve paradise, although 72 is a mater for debate. So don't believe everything you read or hear, find out for urselfves and u might never look back.

Cheers folks....and all the best with your findings.....

I think it was very courageous of Pervez Musharraf to say what he has said whilst he is touring America. At a time when New York is hearing speeches from the likes of Hugo Chavez and Ahmedinejad, it is only fair that one of America’s neo-colonial allies expose America’s thin veneer of alliance and friendship with the Muslim world where America routinely plots and assassinates Statesmen, leaders, thinkers, intellectuals and freedom-fighters. America has a consistent record of declaring countries and its rulers as its friends and allies before it bombs that country and assassinates or imprisons its leaders current examples of which are Noriega of Panama, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, Saddam of Iraq etc.

I think Pakistan’s position on the Afghan situation after 9/11 is vindicated after Pervez Musharraf has publicly verified the Stone Age President Bush’s already-known threats of bombing his “important ally” in the war on terror. It also serves to show the Anglo-Saxon attitude towards Pakistan and Afghanistan as America did after assassinating President Zia in 1988 and then leaving Pakistan to sort out the Afghan mess on its own whilst America inflamed the Afghan civil war.

It is disheartening to see that extremist circles of the British Muslim society have as much regard for Pervez Musharraf as they have disdain for Pakistan’s attempt to survive the tyrannical and genocidal Bush administration.

A lot of muck is raked at Pervez Musharraf for being a dictator but the level-headed approach adopted by Pervez Musharraf was better than what any of his civilian predecessors Benazir and Nawaz Sharif could have managed. It also serves to show that Pervez Musharraf is not an American CIA mole as people often claim but a sincere leader who is trying to save his country. British Muslims who have a condescending approach towards Pakistan, especially after enduring years of isolation, xenophobia and persecution in British society often forget that the Hindu-fundamentalist Vegetarian Cannibals of the BJP had tried their best after 9/11 to form an alliance with the US against Pakistan. Even further, in 1997 a deal was reached between Nawaz Sharif and the Clinton Administration to have Osama Bin Laden extradited to the US which would have been a greater betrayal of the extremist cause!

What 9/11 and the mental level of President Bush has also demonstrated is

1. The myth of Diplomatic Pressure on Pakistan
2. The failure of the War on Terror which has allowed America’s allies to lay bare their mistrust of the US and
3. That America may or may not have bombed nuclear armed Pakistan like it did our brothers in Afghanistan. What is more important is to know is that God helps His bare-handed warriors to fight the Tanks, Missiles and Jets of Satan. Therefore the defeat and humiliation inflicted upon the Israelis by Hezbollah, upon the Americans by the Iraqis and upon the British by the Taliban were only possible with God’s help.
Israel has only bombed Lebanon to the Stone Age a few weeks ago. In spite of that Hezbollah has emerged victorious. It seems that leaders have to make tough decisions and Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah succeeded where Pervez Musharraf might not have.

Long Live Pakistan. Ameen.

assalamu Alikum brother Iqbal i read your post it is very good ma sha Allah.keep up the good work.May Allah shower his blessings upon you and your family.

I think it was very courageous of Pervez Musharraf to say what he has said whilst he is touring America. At a time when New York is hearing speeches from the likes of Hugo Chavez and Ahmedinejad, it is only fair that one of America’s neo-colonial allies expose America’s thin veneer of alliance and friendship with the Muslim world where America routinely plots and assassinates Statesmen, leaders, thinkers, intellectuals and freedom-fighters. America has a consistent record of declaring countries and its rulers as its friends and allies before it bombs that country and assassinates or imprisons its leaders current examples of which are Noriega of Panama, King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, Saddam of Iraq etc.

I think Pakistan’s position on the Afghan situation after 9/11 is vindicated after Pervez Musharraf has publicly verified the Stone Age President Bush’s already-known threats of bombing his “important ally” in the war on terror. It also serves to show the Anglo-Saxon attitude towards Pakistan and Afghanistan as America did after assassinating President Zia in 1988 and then leaving Pakistan to sort out the Afghan mess on its own whilst America inflamed the Afghan civil war.

It is disheartening to see that extremist circles of the British Muslim society have as much regard for Pervez Musharraf as they have disdain for Pakistan’s attempt to survive the tyrannical and genocidal Bush administration.

A lot of muck is raked at Pervez Musharraf for being a dictator but the level-headed approach adopted by Pervez Musharraf was better than what any of his civilian predecessors Benazir and Nawaz Sharif could have managed. It also serves to show that Pervez Musharraf is not an American CIA mole as people often claim but a sincere leader who is trying to save his country. British Muslims who have a condescending approach towards Pakistan, especially after enduring years of isolation, xenophobia and persecution in British society often forget that the Hindu-fundamentalist Vegetarian Cannibals of the BJP had tried their best after 9/11 to form an alliance with the US against Pakistan. Even further, in 1997 a deal was reached between Nawaz Sharif and the Clinton Administration to have Osama Bin Laden extradited to the US which would have been a greater betrayal of the extremist cause!

What 9/11 and the mental level of President Bush has also demonstrated is

1. The myth of Diplomatic Pressure on Pakistan
2. The failure of the War on Terror which has allowed America’s allies to lay bare their mistrust of the US and
3. That America may or may not have bombed nuclear armed Pakistan like it did our brothers in Afghanistan. What is more important is to know is that God helps His bare-handed warriors to fight the Tanks, Missiles and Jets of Satan. Therefore the defeat and humiliation inflicted upon the Israelis by Hezbollah, upon the Americans by the Iraqis and upon the British by the Taliban were only possible with God’s help.
Israel has only bombed Lebanon to the Stone Age a few weeks ago. In spite of that Hezbollah has emerged victorious. It seems that leaders have to make tough decisions and Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah succeeded where Pervez Musharraf might not have.
Congratulations to Hezbollah and Long Live Pakistan. Ameen.

sorry iq_balz I have looked. islam can show you how to live as a decent human being (though I don't need religion to teach me this) but is also ambiguous & open to interpretation & the whole arab cultural imperialism thing is a major turn-off. Therefore I reject islam, christianity & any other organised religion that has too many rules & spends too much time reminding us of the hell that awaits if we don't follow the 'correct' path. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise; not even if allah herself appeared in front of me & commanded me to convert.

Actually, Condi "Uncle Toms" Rice when serving as National Security Advise to GW during 2001 actually threathened to drop a Nuclear Bomb on Afghanistan if Musharaf did not support the war. Muslharaf obviously did not see fit to disclose this bit of information. The full scale of arm twisting to the period leading up to the "illegal" invasion of Afghanistan will not be known fully until we press for greater transparency of the issue.

Peas Mushy (President Musharaf) is in trouble and he knows it. He seems to have toned down his critism of the US beligerence stance in the Region.

Mike: thats the whole point. You tried but couldn't agree to what others preach. I'd say, good enough. Only you would know if you tried your best. Faith is not an end in itself, its the means to the end (at least you'd agree that all of us die one day). What happens after that remains controvesial for now. If you disbelieve in what others preach, you are responsible for your actions/beliefs/choices. No one is allowed to kill you for that. Unless you, us, or anyone else harms society, they are not allowed to be prosecuted. But by no means can anyone justify the mass killings in Palestine, Lebanon, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, etc. If US and UK are partners in this so called war-on-terror that has created such a mess around the world, it has given an opportunity to idiots like Anjam Choudhry, Osama, etc to legitimize their actions of killing civilians. A lot of muslims agree to their stance, majority does not. If they did, the 3rd World War had already started.

About actions of Musharraf: we, as muslims believe in the quote of Tipu Sultan, "Lion's one day life is better than 100 years of jackal". If US had threatend to bomb Pakistan, we were willing to face the heat rather than being called cowards. But by no means, can any muslim justify, the death of an innocent civilian (muslim/non-muslim). How many lives have been jeoperdized in this war, how many generations will face the consequences, only time will tell.

Regards

Shehryar

Brother iq_balz you are right, in today’s world, everywhere you look their is evil, temptation everywhere ,the voice of the truth no one hears it anymore nor can't they see the truth. May Allah Help us with what we are struggling for! whether it is in our home ,our job our family or friends may we find peace at the end Insha Allah

Prove your allegations

Mr Dictator Mushraf

The man with a bad hair dye who plays on both sides of the fence

When will Pakistan get its free elections?

Prove your allegations

Mr Dictator Mushraf

The man with a bad hair dye who plays on both sides of the fence

When will Pakistan get its free elections?

Basil, * * * Richard Armitage has already confirmed that he had given Pakistan a severe warning if they did not co-operate in the war against Afghanistan. Also major news organizations has also reported the story.

Basil before you come out here making unattractive noises, you should research the story yourself. Try Google if you know how to use it.

i dont quite understand how you can write a whole article, and referance it as bbc.co.uk. Even students at high school no not to do that. THE BBC has more then a tousand pages, how on earth am i to find the actual source of where all the information you mention came from.