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Talk to Taliban, if it saves British lives! Print E-mail
Thursday, 07 September 2006

Hamid Karzai admits what our leaders can't: to achieve security in Afghanistan, he must do a deal with the Taliban

Simon Jenkins
Wednesday September 6, 2006
The Guardian

This time there are no excuses. Every scrap of intelligence warned the government not to fight a war against insurgency in south Afghanistan. Ask the CIA, MI6, the former service chiefs Lord Inge and Lord Guthrie, and Nato allies who thought the then defence secretary, John Reid, was mad. Ask the Americans, who were losing more men than in Iraq and were wisely withdrawing. Read the reports published throughout 2004/5 that the Taliban were back in strength. These were veteran guerrillas, well armed, who could count on the tacit support of tens of thousands of tribal militias. What made Tony Blair think he could beat them with just 4,000 soldiers? The Soviets lost with 120,000.

This expedition ranks among the stupidest in recent British history - and there is serious competition. It was undertaken under the aegis of Nato, designed for a different purpose and notorious for incoherent decision. This meant British forces would not be masters of their fate but at the mercy of a caravanserai of some 36 nations in Kabul, most with no intention of getting hurt.

When I met the effervescent Lieutenant General David Richards, currently head of Nato operations, in June, I shared the view of all who visit British troops on the ground. I was impressed by their morale and technical competence. But such visits (which rarely stray off base) risk buying into the dangerous assumption that military competence can compensate for political folly. These British soldiers are not fighting "against terrorism" or dying "for democracy". They are dying because the Americans wanted out and George Robertson, the political head of Nato, craved a purpose in life. (The same Robertson, as defence secretary, protected the Eurofighter, aircraft carrier and Trident budgets at the expense of less glamorous kit now desperately needed in Helmand.)

What baffled me was Richards's naivete about the Taliban, on whom there was already a copious and alarming literature. He was full of "Malayan inkspot strategies", winning "hearts and minds" and not fighting the American way, such as bombing and strafing civilians. Richards said he had enough troops to do the job and was gung ho. I left his office in a daze. Was this how the British set off to the Dardenelles?

None of the objectives set by Reid in January was achievable. Commons bombast about gallant troops driving the "remnants of the Taliban ... into their last bastions", eradicating poppies and building schools, clinics and democracy, was drivel. So was Reid's talk of the "fundamental difference" between US counter-terrorism and British reconstruction. Semantics about rules of engagement and "not firing a shot" was equally hollow; in Helmand the British are consuming ammunition faster than at any time since the second world war.

British ministers involved in this war are way beyond their pay grade. Asked by Lord Astor last year about the troop balance between Iraq and Afghanistan, the defence minister Lord Drayson (recreation: sword-fencing) replied dismissively: "My lords, I am sure that noble lords will want to join me in congratulating the noble lord on his birthday." The aid minister, Hilary Benn, denies that British troops are waging war, "but supporting a process of reconstruction". Kim Howells of the Foreign Office wants to "defeat the drugs trade" and plans to waste £270m doing so. Armchair generals are bad enough, but armchair ministers are a menace.

Within three months of their full deployment, British troops have reportedly had to abandon the "platoon house" strategy of securing bases in isolated towns and villages. They were being pulverised by Taliban mortars. The publicity attached to the Nimrod disaster at the weekend was excessive. Any plane can crash. Death tallies, on both sides, are merely a sign of failure. To have to kill 200 young Afghans to secure a village for a day indicates that hearts-and-minds is not working. This is classic Vietnam syndrome, the military fantasy that war is a setpiece battle against a finite enemy (in this case "1,000 terrorists"). It implies that when 1,000 are dead, you have won.

The Afghans beat the Soviets in the 1980s by generating exactly the spirit of nationalist insurgency now fuelled by the brutality of the Nato occupation, especially its casual use of air power. When the Taliban seized control in 1994, they offered the country a sort of order, and even prosperity, based on opium. There is no doubt that they will return, at least to the south. Kabul cannot stop them. Nato certainly cannot. For Blair and Reid, architects of the current deployment, to lump the Taliban in with al-Qaida, 9/11 and the Sunnis in Iraq is an invitation to false strategy. British troops in their £1bn camp in Helmand are as trapped politically as they are militarily. The government is in denial.

Finding a way out of this morass is near impossible. British policy is in hock to Blair's Nato machismo, and early withdrawal is hard to imagine. Since British troops cannot conceivably "defeat" the Taliban, sending reinforcements will merely add to the latter's target list. The present retreat from hearts-and-minds to search-and-destroy may be important for troop morale, but it is the same failed policy adopted by the Americans in Iraq's Sunni triangle. And the Taliban make Iraqis look amateur. They fight as units, are better equipped and have rich allies over every border.

Karzai, besieged in Kabul, knows one thing. He must do a deal with the Taliban as he has with the northern and western warlords. His spring appointment of gangsters and drug-runners as police chiefs and commanders may have appalled his foreign paymasters. But Karzai has only one way to survive outside his capital: buying support from those who can repay with security. In the south that is commanders in league with the Taliban, even if it means Mullah Omar returning to Kandahar. The British could then argue that they have roughly honoured the pledge to achieve security. Either way there is no alternative to negotiation.

This is not a war that can be won on the battlefield. A prolonged campaign of attrition, as proposed by Des Browne, Reid's successor, would demand a terrible cost in lives and money. The Taliban can fight for ever. It is no good politicians in London shouting: "We cannot afford to fail in Afghanistan." Such chest-beating at the expense of other people's lives should be actionable. Blair and his colleagues have willed on the army a war they knew it cannot win. The least they owe it is an exit strategy.

simon.jenkins@guardian.co.uk

Source: The Guardian




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Readers have left 11 comments.
Sam: Quote

In the first paragraph it says that Tony Blair expects to beat the taliban with 4,000 men when the soviet lost with 120,000.
Well the soviets didnt have the modern technology that we have and more to the point they weren't British! The British Army will destroy the Taliban Terrorists in time just watch!
The British Army can take on almost anything they are more than a match for a group of terrorists!
The taliban will be totaly forgotten by 2016 they probably won't even last another 2 or 3 years!
(1) 2006-09-11 15:53:07
Mullah Din: Quote

Sam,

You are very wrong. Your Russian fathers failed to kill the Taliban and the British army will fail too. Your American fathers with all their might and technology have failed to catch the Taliban leader, His Rt Hon. Mullah Umar - get a grip; you are losing an illegal war!
(2) 2006-09-11 19:24:42
Basil: Quote

I agree with you Sam

And every time a british soldier dies we just send another one

Perhaps you can volunteer to replace the next dead soldier and serve a tour of duty in Afganistan and save another poor British mother's grief for her boy
(3) 2006-09-11 20:30:34
Khadeja Khan: Quote

1) Whether we like them or not, the Taliban will never be forgotten.

2)The British Army, in my view, is one of the most honourable armies in the world. They are skilled and they don't go anywhere to kick a*s etc. like their far more unpleasant so-called ally. They are lead to believe that they go places to help people. Yet they are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan based on a pack of lies and half truths.
If English grandmothers could see what was coming, why can't T. Blair and Co?
The Bitish forces should be recalled. They should not have to kill and be killed because of hypocritical and stupid politicians most of whom have never had to do a truly man's job in their lives.
3) Recently a great success was announced on TV. 22 Taliban were having a meeting in a house and they were all killed. Splendid!!!¬ What did this really mean?
What it meant was, 22 Afghani men have been murdered in their own home.

4) I do not deny that the Taliban come from tribal groupings who are given to internecine warfare. If that is their way, leave them to it. I do not want the taxes I cannot avoid paying used to kill the fathers, sons and husbands of a brave and suffering people who live half way across the world and have done us no harm, leaving grandmothers, aunties,sisters widows and children to fend for themselves. Pharaoah used to do that too, didn't he?
5)(It WAS the Taleban, remember, who instigated the destruction of the opium poppy fields.) This was interrupted by the US invasion of their land.

6) I do not deny that the Taleban have a narrow view of Islam, but this is no business of the US or UK, and is no reason for being there killing them and further destroying what might be left of their infrastucture in that harsh land.

6) The UK and the US governments are like the Romans all over again. They say they bring peace, but they bring devastation.
(4) 2006-09-11 22:01:18
plain: Quote

Afghanistan is known as the 'graveyard of the colonialists', and nothing will change in the near future, inshaAllah. The British and their allies should be nowhere near Afghanistan anymore. It is tragic that these soldiers have dedicated their lives to such a pointless and immoral war against the Afghani people. The headline of this article should be 'Get out of Afghanistan and let the Afghanis run their own country'. May Allah help the Afghani people to remove the puppet Ameri-Karzai regime. Liberate the Muslims lands from the colonialist oppressors.
(5) 2006-09-11 23:52:05
Abu Adill: Quote

to Sam and Basil..just remmeber this.. when before the soviet invasion the British tried.. it is written that after an British ataack on a village which killed most of the men.. the British Officer watched from the hill-top and saw women coming out of villages. He noticed 1 woman walking around dead afghans some she laid straight and faced them towards Makkah and some she would kick.. when the officeer went down to ask her she replied the ones that are shot in the chest she is facing towards Makaha she considered them Martyrs and the ones shot in the back she kicks them in disgrace.. the british officer said we cannot defeat an enemy when there women are thinking like this.. the British have forgotten the Lesson !!
(6) 2006-09-12 09:51:05
Basil: Quote

To Abdul Adill

Thank you

In reply; I have to say that I am saddened by this story. It demonstrate
your state of mind or lack of it. My advice to you, and you can take it or
leave it, is to seek guidance from the Holy Quran.

MUSLIMS DO NOT KICK DEAD MEN, WOMEN OR CHILDREN, MUSLIMS DON'T KICK THEM PERMANENTE

And in as far as fighting the enemy fight to live and not to die so that you may fight another day fight the MPAC way with the SWORD of TRUTH and not violence

Peace be upon you
(7) 2006-09-12 20:02:09
Paul: Quote

Oh Basil! So everything in the Qu'ran is always obeyed by Muslims? Well maybe according to you Mulims don't kick the dead presumably it was the Quakers then who burnt mutilated and hung bodies from a bridge in Fallujah!
(8) 2006-09-20 09:53:37
Basil: Quote

Paul or Saul

Just like your name your statement is nothing more than an interpolation.

But where Saul has an origin your utterance lack foundation

Quakers are Quakers and Zionist are terrorists

Yesterday the news blew the top off Israelis commandos’ involvement in north Iraq in training Kurdish partisans in "secret"...Hahah we knew these zionist terrorist were in Iraq with the invasion that was planned by their cabal

Where else in Iraq and what else these Zionist terrorist are up to?

Answers to be posted here PaulSaul
(9) 2006-09-21 22:14:28
Paul: Quote

Basil, what a silly man you are! You make a claim that I am in fact called Saul? I know you hate Jews but just because I disagree with your hyperbole does not make me Jewish! I noticed you didn't answer any of my questions so I will point out your answer to you, you claimed Muslims never kick dead bodies as this is prescribed in the Qur’an right? Well it was Muslims who burnt and mutilated bodies hanging them from a bridge in Fallujah. Very simple to understand that, I could go on but your predictable answer will only be denial and then finger pointing at those you label Zionists. I will post answers to questions you pose and engage in meaningful dialogue, but first you must realise that what you said was rather foolish.
(10) 2006-09-22 19:22:32
Basil: Quote

Sorry pal but you have just demonstrated your ignorance and lack of comprehension. LOL

Paul is an interpolation of Saul! You dig you not so silly man. LOL

I never said that you are a Jew and hey a Jew is better than you since you are a Zionist. LOL

Hence I do not hate Jews . . and how do you know that I am not a Jew?

You do not know; so don’t say that I hate Jews. Next thing you going to say is that I am an extremist then an Islamist Fascist then a terrorist and have me shot . LOL you fool

What is a Jew? Despite what they told you a Jew is Son/bin of Issac son/bin of Abrahim from Ur Iraq/ARABIA

not Germany, Russia or even England for that matter

So just like your name Paul is interpolated from Saul which is Middle Eastern/Arabian (for fear of repeating myself so that you dig it) a Jew is an interpolated culture origin from IRAQ/ARABIA

AND

Who is Issac's older brother? Ishmael the ARAB

and where did Abrahim Issac’s and Ishmael’s father live? With Ishmael in Mecca/ARABIA where they build the Kaba

How can I hate Jews you ignaramus faranghi ... your European Zionist using the name of Jew as if the Arabs can not draw the distinction between cousin and enemy.. You are the latter zionist or no zionist
(11) 2006-09-25 00:12:58
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