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MPACUK vs The Muslim Establishment Print E-mail
Sunday, 06 August 2006

MPAC’s world view is simple. We are at War. MPAC believes every Muslim man woman and child is a target in that War. And we believe that it is FARD upon every capable Adult to defend the Ummah.

We also adopt the position that every Muslim who does not participate in that war is committing a crime against those they allow to be murdered, raped and persecuted and against his or her Lord. Islamically in short it is a major sin that they will be held accountable for on the Dreaded Day of Judgement. Whether or not the failing to take part in Jihad to protect the Ummah leads one into hypocrisy and out of the fold of Islam is something we have not found the answer too. We will be consulting scholars on from all different schools of thought.

When innocent people are murdered one has no option but to act with time or money to fight the Jihad. This is beyond any reasonable doubt to any thinking man, let alone a human guided by the Light Of Muhammad (PBUH).

We are in real danger. The enemy has a billion Dollar industry working against us. It does not sleep. It is highly active. It is secretive. It will not rest. Until you are destroyed.  Knowing your enemy is half the battle but their secretive ways makes this a difficult task. Most Muslims are unaware of the threat until it is too late. Bosnia, Palestine and now Lebanon are an example of this.

We Must Defend Our Ummah

However we cannot fight back in this pathetic state we are in. The enemy is too large, and too powerful.

Those ACTIVE Muslims who will give their time to the Jihad, or their money, are few in number, and no single organisation can take these enemies on.

The few willing to fight are poor, under funded, man power starved Muslim organisations and they cannot compete. There is a capability Gap between the enemy and us. A Gap that must be bridged if we have any hope of protecting ourselves.

The only way to fight back and win against such a powerful enemy is if the Muslims within this country start to become ACTIVE in defending themselves. A complete change in mindset is needed. A turn around from the masses of neutralised Muslims we now have within the Ummah.

This will never be achieved unless the institutions that create these neutralised Muslims are re-created and changed, and where they refuse to change and teach ACTIVE Islam they must be challenged.

For we realise that unless the current Muslim establishment rapidly moves into this century using modern management techniques and become result driven organisations, run on business lines in the defence of the Ummah, and accept whole heartedly that they are directly responsible for the success of this Jihad, to protect the Ummah we will never be free from threat. There will be no revival of Islam and in time the noose around our necks will be pulled tight. Bosnia is just the beginning for Muslims in the west. It has already started for those of us In the east.

Time is not on our side. The enemy is on the move.

The Media demonisation of us is just the preparation for the coming onslaught. There are 7000 Muslim organisations in this country that produce hundreds of thousands of neutralised ignorant Muslims incapable and unwilling to act to defend even themselves. In most cases all it takes for these Organisations to become active is a new up to date management structure, good staff and management training and an understanding of the Jihad they are embarking on. Sadly even this is too much to ask these groups.

Thus the enemy can move with immunity both covertly and overtly in the full knowledge that Muslims are too neutralised to react.  The institutions from Mosques and Dawah groups to the Student Islamic Societies have created, what can only be described as ‘Muslim Zombies’. Muslims who can spend their whole life thinking they are behaving Islamically but never taking part in any from of Jihad to stop their brothers being massacred. This zombie like state is the product of years of neutralisation by the Mosques all the way through a bankrupt Muslim establishment in decay.

The enemy even when in the open is immune from any counter action by the Muslims, such is the deep coma these institutions have put us in. This can be seen no more clearly then in the case of powerful members of Parliament backing Israel. These men are comfortable, they  know that the thousands of Muslims that elected them are so ignorant and comatose that they can attack Muslims without any form of action or challenge by the Muslims and their institutions. This is a fact, and can proven by the election of the Vice Chairman of the friends of Israel by 15000 Muslim zombies eight years in a row. Not one Muslim has taken it upon himself to remove him. This highlights more then any other the Zombie like state we are in.

The reason is simple the Establishment that taught these Muslims Islam, in fact did nothing more then put them all to sleep. A poison could not have been worse for the Muslim mind. This is the result of the Islam they claim to teach us. A theological sleeping gas.

For these neutralised Muslims the 5 pillars are the key to heaven, everything else is negligible and not obligatory.

The Establishment is to blame. They have educated these Muslims. The buck then rests with them. They must change or be challenged. There is no easy way to do this. Many of these groups and their members will challenge MPAC. They will resist change for their own narrow interests and loyalties. Putting their group above the Ummah.

No Muslim group has ever attempted such a bold social re engineering program. No other group has come under fire as MPAC has for its fight to change the system. No other group will change the way we think, as much as MPAC will in years to come.

We will not buckle nor swerve from our destination. We will fight so that every group will improve and are forced to teach active Islam and take part in the jihad. There are no sacred cows, no one is immune. If you fail to act to defend the murdered children around the world MPAC will not spare you, there is no hiding place. No more and never again will we allow groups to teach you everything bar how to protect your raped sisters and mothers while they teach our children to sit and debate theological points.

There is only one solution. That Muslims must become active in defending themselves and their brothers. That they must be taught how, and they must be taught that it is FARD to do so. From the moment they step into a Mosque age four till the day they die.

This message must be re-iterated to them all the way through the system, from Mosque to ISOC, to ISOC to Dawah group to small Circles at people’s homes, every group must take part in ACTIVE Islam the same way they ingrain Salat into the Muslim mind. If this is done, the product will be active Muslims instead of the excuse making, ever debating neutralised Muslims the system produces now.

Neutralised Muslim zombies  who will do anything but lift a finger to protect themselves let alone the raped, murdered and tortured Ummah they pay lip service too. This is the beginning of the end for those groups who will not change. We have failed our brothers for far too long, and made excuse for those who allowed them to be murdered. We are a product of a failed and bankrupt establishment and it must now change or die.

WE MUST CREATE NEW ORGANISATIONS, RE-ENGINEER THE OLD AND CREATE A NEW  ACTIVE UMMAH. TO DO THIS EACH ONE OF US MUST HAVE THE COURAGE TO CHALLENGE THE ESTABLISHMENT SO THEY ARE FORCED TO DEFEND THE OPPRESSED AND TEACH AN ACTIVE ISLAM TO THE YOUNG.

EVERY MOSQUE, GROUP, CIRCLE, DAWAH MOVEMENT AND INSTITUTE MUST BE CHALLENGED BY US.

THIS IS OUR JIHAD FIRST AND FOREMOST. WHEN OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE ACTIVATED THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN OUR  ENEMIES BE COUNTERED AND THE FIGHT BACK COMMENCE. LET THE REVIVAL OF THE MUSLIMS BEGIN AND

MPACUK – Bringing About The Social Jihad




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Readers have left 31 comments.
Shirin: Quote

If you can't spare the time to help don't just sympathise with MPAC, make a donation. At very least on the day of Judgement you will be able to account for yourself in someway.
(1) 2006-08-06 23:30:54
Anon: Quote

I have finally been able to get my own father to accept the fact that our mosque comittee are a bunch of hypocrites and idiots.

He has finally accepted that these mini Arafats are a microcism of the wider so called muslim uncle tom leaders of ours that surely should be swinging from lamposts.

These 'elders' are scum.
(2) 2006-08-07 06:10:41
Jimbo: Quote

Questions for you

Who are your enemies? Are you saying all non-muslims are your enemies , are you saying all those who do not agree with your point of view are your enemies or those who have a different view of islam to you are your enemies?

What form is your "war" going to take? Are you seriously condoning violence to get your way ? Or is this pressure groups.

What are your objectives? Are they to impose your "Ummah" on the residents of the UK? Will all women have to wear the jibab, hijab or burqa?

It seems to me as the rest of us in this country have to tolerate you and your religion , which not part of this countries traditions , the least you could do is tolerate us and live with us in peace
(3) 2006-08-07 20:35:26
A. Dia: Quote

Even though I agree with a lot of things MPAC say and do, I do not agree with the venom and style of its public criticism of elders. It feeds into the mainstream idea that mosques somehow foment extremism - because they are run by dogmatic old people. That is certainly the impression I got from MPAC's participation in the despatches programme.

Since this article is littered with Islamic pre-requisites, may I remind you of two other do’s:

Islamic addab - the Prophet (pbuh) spoke passionately and yet with grace and without insults. Also we are told not to disagree - air our dirty laundry - in front of kufr's. So if you disagree with ‘mosque’ committees do it with humility and certainly do not air these quarrels in public

Other than this minor issue, I applaud everything else MPAC does.
(4) 2006-08-07 20:56:07
Jimbo: Quote

I posted something last night asking who exactly in UK you are at War with. Why don't you post it , or is it that you can only post things that agree with your point of view or is it that you don't want to discuss such things witha a "Kufir"?
(5) 2006-08-08 09:09:38
Abu Abdul-Haqq: Quote

Why does Mpac always think that they are the only 'Active' Muslims out there?There are many obligations in Islam outside of the 5 pillars - please tell me is Mpac engaged in every aspect of this?

This ranges from Da'wah (Calling people to the truth of la illah illala)

Calling the masses of Muslims who are not practising the deen (especially the 5 pillars, as this could take someone outside the fold of Islam)

Dealing with the many social problems we face i.e.
Youth
Domestic violence

The point is that yes Mpac is doing a good job in one of these aspects, and there are others who are doing a good job in other aspects. It is about recognising this and then engaging in constructive criticism, and to co-operate on areas where we are all falling short.

Lastly, i don't know who wrote this article but i would definately agree that Muslim organisations, if they are to take up the challenge that the modern world presents need to work along business lines.

I would say that to make cheap comments that 'Mpac will not spare anyone' is an extremely arrogant position to adopt. As a Muslim i don't fear Mpac, but Allah (swt).

You may think your rudeness makes you reach results, as your leader Asghar Bukhari once remarked to me that ends justify means - it doesn't - as the supreme success of a muslim depends of Allah (swt) accepts his deeds even if they don't bring any immediate results (though of course the aim is to)

With regards to the current conflict we should all try and do what ever we can to the best of our ability. Whether that is to correct the media misinformation, bring relief to the Muslims suffering there, to putting pressure on governments.

This is a test from Allah (swt) and we must remember to make du'a and fulfill the rights we owe to him, as perhaps it is due to that we are facing this calamity.

Abu Abdul-Haqq
thinkingconcepts@hotmail.co.uk
(6) 2006-08-09 11:51:47
arif: Quote

Hear hear!! There are too many muslim "leaders" out there all interested in boosting their own profiles. There should be a consolidation of all the groupings. When Bliar met muslim leaders after 7/7 there wasn't enough room for the number of people who claimed to speak for muslims in Britain. Who elected them anyway?!!!
(7) 2006-08-10 22:27:02
Kathy: Quote

The Muslim organisations in this country need to unite and speak with one voice. They need to forget their petty cultural and political differences because this is what weakens them and this is what will be used to destroy them just as the Sunni/Shiah differences have been used by the American and British invaders in Iraq. Look at how it has worked and broken a whole country.

If you cannot agree between yourselves then you will have no chance against the outside forces which see your differences as a weakness to exploit. It has begun already courtesy of John Reid and Jack Straw and their efforts to divide your community. It is time that the scholars and leaders came together and looked at what is happening before Islam is destroyed and mocked at, just as many do now with Christianity. It is the responsibility of those leaders to show what Islam really means to the people of this country and then perhaps you will gain more respect. Please do not think that running to Blair will get you respected for he is the biggest liar in this country at the moment. He says only what suits him at the time.
(8) 2006-11-02 10:15:20
William: Quote

Hysterical rubbish. Who is your "war" supposed to be against? This is the sort of ludicrous ranting which will have people like the BNP rubbing their hands in glee.Childish, whining nonsense-unfit for any serious organisation.
(9) 2006-11-02 10:46:20
zamira: Quote

I admire MPACUK and there is no doubt that it is leading voice for commonsense on many issues but when you use the words 'Jihad' in such an explicit and angry way it can misslead young people as command to take part in terrorism.
The way you write one would think that there was some co-ordinated world attack by States on Muslims per se which is not true; that is not to undersetimate problems for worldwide umma.
Are you supporting Mujaddin blowing up innocent women and children in markets in Iraq eveyday?
My reading of your position is you are democrats who believe in freedom, choice, womens rights and essential need for British Muslims to own this country as much as everyone else and to help all Muslim around the world to succeed in being free and successful through peaceful intellectual and political development.
But that perception is contradicted by other statements.
For instance do you want State of Israel wiped off map? or do you support two State solution?
Do you want to clear mosques of elders to replace them with al Quaida supporters?
Please be more clear.
(10) 2006-11-02 12:14:23
thehook: Quote

Jimbo, so many times, MPAC has been saying, if you want to know our objectives, what we do, and how, please go to the page which explains MPAC objectives.

I don't know why people just can't understand that.

Secondly, and no, not all Non-Muslims are enemies. That is common sense.

You got to admit mate, that the media is banging on everything it can gets its hands on latley on Islam and use it to promote racisim and Islamphobia.

There are many ways to fight a war. One of them is raising awareness of how powerful votes are, and what social degradation and political motives, and actions been taken around the world and combat it with action within the system, in the right way.

No one is talking about guns, bombs and all that. Come on, be realistic here. People go over the top due to their perception they see in the media.

I do understand you want to know ahat MPAC stands for, fair enough but logical answer is...go to their page that explains that or email them.

Simple really when you think about it. But great to see MPAC doing a great job an Anon...brillaint work!

I am glad your father now sees what so many believe but like to hide it because they don't want to be drifting away from the ignorant crowd of idoits who just can't see if nothing is done, we're going to be in real trouble and youth are already caught on years ago how these mosques are run by small uncle toms.

Wassalaam
(11) 2006-11-02 12:36:21
rani: Quote

MPAC I hope you are proud of yourself for inspiring so many hot-headed youths who are after "quick fixes" to become "elder" bashers! It has become so easy to blame the elders for this and that and I'm noticing so many people coming on your website and forums and blaming everything on the elderly. For the sake of Allah, have some shame and don't forget your moral responsibility to this ummah, to human beings, to treat one another kindly and with respect. Your arrogance is outstanding especially you Asghar Buckari!!
(12) 2006-11-02 16:37:14
Guard the Guards: Quote

The problem is that Muslims still do not believe that we need to unite in terms of Economics, Education, Mentoring, etc., among ourselves.

JIMBO, Mate, we Muslims are our own worst enemies, so you the West have nothing to worry about. Except, this is the important caveat, so listen carefully, by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, the West has woken a sleeping lethargic giant that was quite happily in slumber for hundreds of years.

WHO GUARDS THE GUARDS
(13) 2006-11-02 17:05:43
Omar: Quote

Asalam Aleikum.

The issue of reform is admittedly a difficult one, but it can be approached successfully. The problem that repeatedly surfaces throughout history is that some of our brothers and sisters become so enthusiastic about their religion and ideologies – so over-eager in their calling to it and seeking reform– that they push forward blindly without having the ability to achieve anything productive. In this way, they bring themselves and others to destruction.

Kings and nations are strong and their power is firmly entrenched. They cannot be removed or toppled except with a powerful opposition backed by the strength of the tribes and clans, as we have been witnessed before.This was how the Prophets (peace be upon them) had to deal with the tribes and clans when they called people to Allah, and they were supported by Allah – with the entire world if He so wished. But Allah allowed the events surrounding them to unfold in the normal manner, and Allah is the All-Knowing, All Wise. Many contemporary experiences in the Muslim world and here particularly in the UK reflect what major scholars like Ibn Khaldûn had written. The people involved only considered the correctness of their position and the strength that they themselves possessed, without taking into consideration the strength of what they were confronting. They were struck down by the hard facts of reality that cannot be changed except by those who possess experience and great patience. Beyond this, the nature of reform requires a deep knowledge and understanding of the Qur’ân and Sunnah and the lessons of history.

MPACUK's Obsession with one particular aspect of a situation and the belief that reforming it is the answer to all problems is an error in thinking and a gross misunderstanding of the issues. This outlook completely disregards the various and complex aspects of society. The best approach is a holistic one that seeks to develop every aspect of society in accordance with Islamic norms and values. It is an approach that must put its ideas to practical use, which is the test that most purely theoretical ideologies fail to live up to.Islamic Law comes with clear and specific principles and rulings, it recognizes that for these principles to be practically applied, the circumstances and opportunities afforded by the real world must be taken into consideration. One way it achieves this is by making all of its injunctions contingent upon the ability of the one who has to carry them out.

This idea propagated by this article that we would be held responsible for the carnage let out on muslims accross the world is utterly baseless;

Allah (SWT)says: “Fear Allah as much as you are able.” “Allah does not place a burden on a soul greater than it can bear.” “…whoever is able to do so.” The same pattern is reflected in texts of the Sunnah. “…and if you are not able…” “Pray standing, and if you are not able to do so, then pray seated.” Ability and inability are factors that must be taken into consideration on the individual level and on that of society.

Determining the extent of one’s abilities requires the consideration of many contingent factors. It requires broad vision, a thorough understanding, and a keen perception of the circumstances surrounding – and the consequences resulting from – any given action.

The experiences of contemporary and traditional efforts in propagating Islam should be studied in an objective, balanced, and impartial manner. Personal dislikes should not lead one to iniquity or prejudice, whereby the virtues of others are turned into vices.

I would like to conclude by asking Allah (SWT)to help the Muslims in their dealings with each other and give them patience in their weakness and make them aware of their faults before it is too late. Allah knows best..
(14) 2006-11-02 17:16:47
Africana: Quote

I do not agree with you, completely. Of course you have to come down hard on those you do nothing to protect the Ummah from the vile barbaric butchers and butcher god worshippers. But I think the approach by A Dia is the absolute and right path.


We have a rich tapestry of nations who are in the Ummah. A truly wonderful gift we have. Sadly most of these nations are and have been bastardised by west with their “moderate torture franchise kleptomaniac despots”.

You are right when you say zombie state but surely you cannot expect to overturn decades of abuse by these “scum bag thugs like the Sauds, Al Khalifa, al Sabah ….. Mubarak, Musharaf, that thug of Uzbekistan, Karzai …..

I wish there was a magic formula but than a lot of Muslims are not sitting around being lame ducks they are active and as your reader Anon has pointed out (though Anon I do not agree with you name calling someone who is not around to defend himself. In Islam we do not attack the dead).

You have done and are doing a great job and the Muslims are taking notice. The proof is in the vicious attacks on you!

By all means, do not let up but do it in an Islamic way - with grace.
(15) 2006-11-02 21:02:58
M: Quote

The British people, and indeed the European people, will only stand for this kind of nonsense for so long...
(16) 2006-11-02 22:10:04
sean: Quote

You guys worship an ethnic cleansing, racist paedophile...nuff said. I welcome war against you Klingon twats
(17) 2006-11-03 12:36:25
Zak: Quote

You people are paranoid and sound deranged.

You have the biggest victim mentality chip on your shoulder and it shows. It is very ugly.

Who saved Muslims in Kosovo? In Bosnia? Which nation on earth gave more aid to Muslim victims of the Tsunami than any other?

Which countries on earth have welcomed Muslims as citizens and allowed them to build Mosques, whereas a church or synagogue or Hindu temple could never be built in Saudi Arabia or many other Islamic countries?

Step into somebody else's shoes for a minute. Open your closed minds. What does the world look like from the perspective of an Israeli? Who looks like the agreesor now?

Is it even possible for you to step outside of your own shoes and look at the world a little more fairly?

You wonder why people mistrust Muslims. Imagine yourself a non-Muslim and read the rant and the messages here.

What is in your heart? What are your aims for the West?

Maybe non-Muslims have a right to suspect you. Change your behavior, and the suspicion will disappear.
(18) 2006-11-03 14:37:48
Paul: Quote

Stop trying to impose your culture on us. We well not be dictated to! Keep your religion at home, or at least within the few cubic inches in your skulls. Dialogue for you means the other party has to back down and give in to your demands. We are fed up with your whining about perceived insults. Being offended is part of the rough-and-tumble of living in a democracy. If you want to live the life you want, go to an Islamic country.
(19) 2006-11-03 19:17:50
dan: Quote

Hi,

I am a non-Muslim, and I read MPAC's site regularly.

I found the article posted at the head of this discussion unsettling in the extreme. As some contributors have pointed out, the language will be comprehended by many readers as envisioning a state of physical war between Muslims and as yet undefined enemy. Again, it has been observed that forces like the BNP will welcome this.

I believe that currently there does exist a minority within the British polity who have a "Get Islam" agenda. Polling would indicate that, worryingly, the appeal of this camp may be growing. This is a critical and dangerous time for cohesion and unity in our society. My fear is that the kind of article published here will only serve to convince British non-Muslims that their Muslim compatriots are some find of Fifth Column, that is at war with them. Voices on the margin of the non-Muslim and Muslim communities that affirm this are pouring fuel on the fire.

For many non-Muslims like myself our main experience of British Islam is with friends and colleagues whom we love and respect. I can never see Khalid and Soraya and Abduljalil as "the enemy".
(20) 2006-11-03 20:13:09
Filthy_Kufir: Quote

I love it.

Keep publishing these calls in English. It becomes harder and harder to practice taqiyyah or kitman when the Islamic totalitarian agenda is exposed by the very words of its supposed moderates.

The ignorance of Westerners about the violent, bigoted, supremecist ideology that is at the center of Islam is fading in the light of the new world of information and the internet.

We are aware of your Dar Al'Harb And your Dar Al'Islam. We know about your hudnas which only are agreed upon to give your head choppers time to regroup, and re-arm.

Please, by all means, jihad the Western governments. Anything at all to shake the forgiving, tolerant, and sometimes blind Western civilization awake.
(21) 2006-11-03 21:49:06
Carol: Quote

If the West is at war with Islam, how come Muslims aren't moving out of the West in droves back to Muslim nations that share your values? If Islam is so wonderful as a religion and as a government, how come so many Muslims immigrated to the West in the first place?How come Muslims don't condemn Hamas and Fatah for brainwashing their youth into believing that a good life will come after strapping a bomb onto their bodies?The fact is Muslims are killing other Muslims. The West isn't your enemy. Radical elements in Islam is.
(22) 2006-11-03 21:53:09
Grumpy: Quote

This sounds good: "MPACUK is aiming to politicise Muslims and encourage them to get to know their Members of Parliament, and to feel confident in raising issues with them."This sounds like disgust at the lack of assassins: "Not one Muslim has taken it upon himself to remove him (Mike Gapes, MP)."So now I'm confused...
(23) 2006-11-04 02:07:50
David: Quote

These comments just go to show the Nick Griffin, chairman of the BNP was correct when he called Islam "wicked and vicious".

I am not a Muslim, these comments by Muslims make me worried! If you don't like the way that we live in the UK, then go to a country that you will like!
(24) 2006-11-04 12:14:35
Radoult: Quote

Zak

Your post seems very accurate to me.

Why do Muslims claim persecution at every step whilst reacting with violence to perceived slurs?

Pot, kettle black.

Look at yourselves and the way you act, we accept all in Britain, but tolerance is a two way street.

You as Muslims have far more rights here than we would in a muslim state, you know how to work our fairness against us too.
(25) 2006-11-04 12:31:32
Caroline Jones: Quote

I don't agree with David who quotes the BNP as saying Islam is wicked and vicious. The religion is not to blame, but some of its followers are giving out very worrying signals. Why not express messages of reconciliation and a desire to live in peace with your non-Muslim neighbours? You cannot blame us all for the sensationalist nonsense some newspapers publish. Rise above it and do not take the bait. The wrong way to counter adverse publicity is to play into their hands by posting stuff such as the 'challenge' you have issued here. I just makes you look paranoid,hysterical and immature.
(26) 2006-11-04 14:11:52
dayal: Quote

sir, My question is that what this muslim thought about themselves on what ground they feel they are great. If they are serious about their religion code of conduct men shuould also wear viels why they are seeing other religion women breats and buttucks. Why cant they change their blood to green instead of red their sentiment is idiotic first they should known they are human beings like other community they also eat from mouth and shit every day drink water for their thirsty nothing else if they are something special let them eat from else ware part of the body and drink blood instead of water will they it is purely idiatic that there is no religion in this world only men and women two sects. on the world foolish people made all this mess.I love human being not the religion I have donated my blood to all the so called religion as a hindu can they justify that after taking my blood which saves a life as jiddah or human being I could under stand even educated people act funny to establish them as greate muslim it is shear shame for the entire human community. let their sence rewind them and think positively since world moving in a positive growth , I wish them to change a shrtsight view . No body in this world claim is is muslim hindu or christ etc., even he doent known his previous history let we not think of religion we think as human being and find future for our childrence
I hope I touched your inner sence.
bye dayal with open heart
(27) 2006-11-04 17:56:54
Grumpy: Quote

Dan,

What you said about a growing "Get Islam agenda" among a minority is, sadly, also true in the US. Other countries, too, no doubt; I believe there were fatal attacks in 17 nations during Ramadan?
(28) 2006-11-05 05:22:45
chaotic1: Quote

my my, first observation after reading through all these posts is a broad one: It concerns the frequency and positioning of those who seem to favor the initial MPAC statement. Where are the promoters of this site? Do they not monitor their bit of free speech?
(29) 2006-11-29 05:19:56
chaotic1: Quote

The first posting in response makes a plea for donations (surprise, surprise), the second some heartfelt consideration and maybe one or two similarly following further down the list. The vast majority of the postings rebuke these Islamic sympathetic calls for action. hmm...where all the counter posts to these fair, delineating, respectful (in most cases), and above all, logical, inquires to your f'ed up "call for action? Do you not the know the age to come?
(30) 2006-11-29 05:21:00
chaotic1: Quote

You live in a democracy, fool - in many cases out of choice. Deal with what it takes to live in one.

After reading this bit, there is one more person who may buy into the stereo-typed, anti-Islamic rhetoric, being slowly but continously spread over our naive minds. I feel a calm of brevity as I'm slipping into a view opposed by the original insight crafted by the minds of our tolerable, equality-promoting and democratic founders. How ashamed they would be.
(31) 2006-11-29 05:24:48
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