If islamic taqiyya is anything to go by, we can assume that muslims will claim they're being falsely arrested and persecuted as a matter of course. The sooner you "rise against the tyrrany" (sic), the sooner you can be arrested or deported, like those sick deathmongers who protested the Danish cartoons with threats against British society. What is wrong with islam today that harmless cartoons are met with riots, but videos of innocent men and women getting their head sawed off in the name of allah doesn't produce any protests or outrage whatsoever. No wonder people are starting to feel that the Koran is simply a crude, simple-minded predecessor of Mein Kampf - a book that is a best seller in many muslim countries for obvious reasons.

Let's hope that the 'sleeping muslim community' will also 'rise up'& report those fellow 'muslims' who have hostile intents towards this country. The UK is far too tolerant towards these radical groups who have no place in this nation. Until they are gone I could care less if a few innocent muslims are caught up in police raids etc. Bad luck. Even a quick look at most of the regular contributions to the MPACUK site shows where their loyalties lie...& it ain't with Britain. I support the security & intelligence services 100%.

Obviously Mike you don't have many Muslim friends.

When innocent people get caught up, its always a tragedy. And that is NO DOUBT the case with Anti-Terror arrests here which have always caught headlines on arrests; and eluded papers on releases.

MPACUK have always condemned terror attacks and promote working within the political system of Britain...unless you're saying that to be British one must vote for a particular party?

Arrests were even worse before 7/7. Perhaps Blair realises that such atrocities only increase sympathies for terrorists.

"we can only hope the sleeping Muslims of East London will wake up and rise against the tyrrany being perpetrated against our youth in the name of combating terrorism."

Sounds like a threat of riots to me. Perhaps you should wait until the facts are clear before calling the British muslim masses to riot. Shame on you.

Bob

My first thought when I heard about this shooting was about Jean Charles. What if Jean Charles hadn't been killed but merely wounded - what would have happened to him? Would he have been arrested and charged and locked up on remand? And remember the so-called "ricin plot" that never was? Remember the scaremongering by the tabloids? And when it was revealed that there was never any plot, the story was barely covered in the papers. Most people still think it really happened. I might sound cynical, but I have good reason to be, don't I?

so "such atrocities only increase sympathies for terrorists"



so i guess jailing a man wrongly convicted of murder or rape increases sympathy for rapists and murderers

Nice reasoning, Nice mindset, surely one that promotes "inter cultural dialogue" and surely one from a "religious" soul

Any justification for the wicked, inciteful sentiments that riddle this article will no doubt be slick with sophism.

But the truth is you're just seeking to add fuel to the flames, turning young people further away from the state they live in and particularly from the rest of the community.

You focus on the tragic death of Menezes but, typically, fail to mention the 52 of 7/7.

You kid yourself you have a duty to bring "Jihad" to the masses. Actually you're just hooked to all the benefits this society brings. And despise yourself for it.

If you really believed in what you preached you would live in Saudi, or some other oasis of hardline Islam fat on oil dollars. But of course no Islamic society would give you the same licence to preach your hatred.

Hypocites.

"the ricin plot that never was" ?

so the dead police officer at the scene "never was"?

as long as the Muslims always deny any wrongdoers among them, there will be more innocents arrested from time to time, it is sad but as long as they see the British State as the ennemy, they will be seen as the same.

Charles Martel, with your reasoning, we can't rule out that you may be one of the terrorists using so-called tuqiyyah to hide your identity as a Muslim fanatic.

Bob, how dare people 'riot' on the streets against the War on Iraq! Shame on you! You Sun reader you ;)

Watcher I think you're the one who needs lessons in logic.

June Collins, if only all people were as cynical as you :)

Whenever something like this happens, the BNP racists and zionists always crawl out of the woodwork, like they have here. The message for Muslims in all this is clear - the Police should be given no support and should not be helped in their victimisation of our community. If they want to repeat their experiences of the Irish and black communities, if they want riots and if they want tension then by all means they should go ahead and carry on their policies. But from now on and as far as I am concerned, they're the enemy.

There is only one conclusion left, for any sensible person.

Islam -- the sick cult created by Mohammed and his immediate followers -- will have to be destroyed.

In fact, Nostradamus predicted this long ago. Islam is going to be destroyed. Every last vestige of it. It was never a religion ... just a personality cult, created by sick people from the desert.

Your call for Muslims to "wake up and rise against tyrrany" (sic) will ironically increase the very distrust of Muslims that leads to raids such as this in the first place.

One would almost think, through these calls to "rise up", that Islam wants to inflame the west. How it forgets what an inflamed west can do...how it forgets a Caliphate stopped at the gates of Europe, thrown out of Iberia, and humiliated to the point of irrelevance for 500 years. Perhaps Islam should think twice lest it find itself at the business end of a lance, again.

Who's knows Bilal, maybe next time they'll even shoot you! We live in hope..

I will NOT be inviting Allah round for tea. If what his followers get up to in his name is anything to go by, he can play on his own

Why are there terrorist problems here but not Poland ? Do you think their police are better or it could be another factor, lets call it factor "M" ?

The only BNP member here Bilal is you.

"so i guess jailing a man wrongly convicted of murder or rape increases sympathy for rapists and murderers

Nice reasoning, Nice mindset, surely one that promotes "inter cultural dialogue" and surely one from a "religious" soul""

it doesnt increase sympathy for rapists but it creates animosity towards those that make the false allegation. it increases the doubt against an alleged rapist. there is less sympathy towards those who claim to have been raped.

"You focus on the tragic death of Menezes but, typically, fail to mention the 52 of 7/7."

should they also mention the 128 000 dead iraqis and the lies that our government told us that puts in this place today?

No, naturally no British Muslim would ever be involved in a terrorist plot.

I suppose the disco-bombing tapes were forged, right? And 7/7 was actually an MI5 operation?

Newham Respect will be holding a public meeting on tuesday 6th june 2006 at 6.30pm in Harold road center on Harold road in Plaistow London E13, to decide how local ppl should come together to react to this terror raid and how to protect local residence from further such islamophobic raids based on faulty intelligence

No doubt another ridiculous plot by MI5.Oh maybe a birdie dropped a castor oil seed & it grew to a plant, or was it that someone reported a Yew hedge in their yard?? I mean, come on people, a 20 and 23 yr - do you seriously think they'd be able to synthesize any serious biochemical in their home??!! Really!! It takes years of experience and a great deal of specialist knowledge to get that far. This is just another bad piece of poor judgement. Oh don't forget the pigs might plant something themselves if they don't find it - wouldnt want it all to be another display of MI5/police buffoonery would we?!!

Sleeping muslims will wake up you say . Just about sums you all up doesnt it. The VAST majority of people do not want your sort in this country and are slowly but surely waking up to the threat you and your deluded followers pose to democracy.You have been able to hide for far too long behind misguided liberal left but not any more. Your barbaric interpretation of your religion has been outed and now we will see more and more of the same operations against you. If you truly hate all this country stands for ,please leave and remember you will not be missed .good riddance.

What took Respect so long? Never ones to miss the chance of stirring up a bit of religious tension, they seem to have been a bit tardy this time around...

I feel so sorry for ordinary, sane people of Muslim heritage. How depressing to live in a society where your chief spokespeople are fascists and barbarians, homophobes, racists and misogynists.

One could ask why spokespeople for the majority of decent folk do not step forward, but its easier said than done given the lengths some of these thugs will go to to stifle debate. I mean, democracy is a dirty word to the MAB and SWP isn't it?

Looks like the Barking and Dagenham branch of the BNP have been busy on these boards.

Old Hoborn; Out of all the comments your comment was the most absurd and out of text. The article is based on a raid at an address in London. I will keep it sweet and simple, what makes you think that The Creator of everything would take up your invite anyway.

The following line says it all
chapter 112 "The Unity"
Verse 3 " He begets not, nor is He begotten. "

So please read the article and make your comments related to the article.

What people fail to realise is that these people are British citizens are are entitled to the same rights as other British citizens such as Charles, Mike and Bob here on this board.

Lots of people here are very quick to judge muslims here without knowing anything about the individual person. This is racism i.e. judging people because of their race instead of the person themselves.

Regarding the Cartoon riots then im sure youve seen the riots held in Pakistan and India by Christians there - this shows that it has nothing to do with religion but has everything to do with the reigion and the culture.

FUnny people are supporting the security services '100%' without having any details of what happened. As we all know according to the security services, Jean Charles ran into the station, leaped over the barriers, rushed down the stairs into an awaiting train when they police bravely disabled him. Whereas in reality Jean walked in, grabbed a metro, walked down, waited for the train, walked in and quitely sat down before the police came and shot 7 bullits in head.

Excuse me if people are a bit suspicious about what information the 'Securtity Services' give us - they deserve the lack of trust which is being shown.

nice one Galloway, whip up some more victimhood feelings.

here we go again, the police are to blame muslims did nothing wrong,george galloway is a saint.
we really need another Charles martell just now.
why ever we allowed this to happen in our land is crazy.
all anyone had to do was check out islamic history to know what they were and are.
from banna nazis of the brotherhood, to the muslim ss troops in ww2.
to the terrorists on our streets to day they will never change. londonistan is a reality a terror state here in britain.

I am surprised to read some of the posts by certain individuals here whose seething islamophobia is evident from their message.

Yes, erring on the side of caution is necessary to prevent the likes of 7/7 happening again. But terror raids carried out whenever labour support dips is something else, shooting at innocent individuals, and spreading lies in the media are certainly not helpful.This would only create more disillusion amongst the Muslim youth and a feeling of isolation and victimisation, which is the last thing anyone wants.

Those who have highlighted a few words from this article without realising the thrust of MPAC's work have obviously missed the point. I am aware too that some high-profile Islamophobics have published the same sort of propaganda on their websites. One only needs to look back in the archives to see that MPAC had called for the arrest of those individuals with the offensive placards during the cartoon fiasco.

In response to "St James" I'd say that the same logic can be used by minority groups; the victimisation of the Irish, the proven institutionalised racism in the met. police over the Stephen Lawrence case and more recently Chris Alder case amongst many others proves that the metropolitan police cannot care less about the safety of anyone who is not white. Thus, a shot in the shoulder or emptying eight cartridges in the back of a Brazilian is no issue for the police.

To date, over half of those arrested under the terrorism act have been released without any charge - this sort of targetting without any firm evidence beforehand has become a type bullying the Muslim community. We need our safety assured from the very people who are supposed to be protecting us. The Muslims have every right to then protest against being treated like third-class citizens.

Dear Mad Mel,

Since its obvious you read this website, I will direct this riposte to you personally.

"If British intelligence is anything to go by, we can only hope the sleeping Muslims of East London will wake up and rise against the tyranny being perpetrated against our youth in the name of combating terrorism."

How is this incitement? If British intelligence is wrong and this family has been unfairly attacked than it is tyranny and we should rise against it by posting on WebPages like this, writing letters to our mp's and writing articles on the issue in order to change it. What’s wrong with that?

Also a few points from your recent article on the New York Post:

"The mainly left-wing media daily pumps out a highly distorted and inflammatory version of events in Iraq and the Middle East."

As opposed to the tainted, biased diatribe you write on the right-wing press. Tell me mad Mel, look at the killings in Iraq and tell me whether is all hunky dory and whether the 'mission’s accomplished'. You’re the one with the 'distorted' view of Iraq.

"The problem lies in a refusal to acknowledge that Islamist extremism is rooted in religion"

Is that not incitement from you? It's incitement like that which sees the rise of Islamophobia. Muslims embody Islam, if you attack Islam, you thereby attack Muslims. What if I asked for people to read the Talmud and say certain misdemeanour’s are inherent to religion? Would that not be unfair? Of course it would be, it wouldn’t be directed at Muslims!

Wake up oh muslim ummah!!!!!!!!
today their raiding this brother, tomorrow their going to throw a bomb on your whole family is that when you'll wake up!!!!!!

Has anyone seen the response from Shahid Malik ( labour MP ) on todays channel 4 news (05/06/06). Surely if any of his family got treated like the two brothers did I am sure he would not come out with the rubbish he blurted out on tv. Another traitor on Tony bLIARS pay roll!!!

CHANGE FOREIGN POLICY AND THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THIS CRAP GOING ON PERIOD.Its a simple as that.
Until such time the West realise they have to stop ruling and divinding countries- JUST BE FAIR with the Muslims and stop taking the blatant P*ss otherwise This will GO ON AND ON AND ON. THe more the West carry on abusing, lying and treating Muslims around the world unfairly The more Bin Ladens they are creating and the more hatred they are creating. All the comments written here by non Muslims are total crap not to the point bull. They know damn well Muslims around the World are getting a RAW deal- Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir- then ask yourselves WHO CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS?

'Wake up and rise against tyranny'? Don't you think this might be a little bit of an overreaction, not to mention a call for treason and a disgraceful thing to say against this country?7 July 2005: 4 British Muslim suicide bombers murder 52 people and wound hundreds of others in London21 July 2005: 4 more Muslims try the same thing in London but fail22 July 2005: An innocent man, who is not a Muslim, is shot dead by police who mistake him for a terrorist2 June 2006: In a police raid on a house, a Muslim man is shot and woundedWow, what terrible persecution the poor innocent Muslims are suffering at the hands of the evil British state and police!And this is not to mention the genuine terrorist plots that have been stopped, such as the plots of those on trial at the Old Bailey who have been taped discussing their plans and been denounced by a convicted terrorist, or the incident where a Muslim terrorist killed a police officer.Even if this raid was a mistake, this hardly amounts to 'tyranny' and 'persecution'. So Muslims are more likely to be arrested on the suspicion of terrorism; I wonder why that could be - is it that the police have a pathological hatred of Muslims and enjoy arresting them for no reason, or could it possibly be that most terrorist activities against Britain and other Western countries are now being committed by Islamic terrorists. The police have to act on intelligence about an impending terrorist attack in the interests of public safety. Are the police now supposed to apologise to 'local communities' and 'community leaders' for doing their job, and to consider 'community sensitivities' when trying to catch terrorists? As for the comparisons between Muslims and the Irish and black 'communities', I'm not sure if this is an attempt to whip up sympathy among left-wingers, Irish republicans and 'anti-racist' activists (in fact I'm pretty sure that it is), but these comparisons prove little. Irish people were more likely to be investigated for terrorism - was this because the police also hated Irish people (which we could probably call 'Irishophobia') and loved to arrest them, or could it possibly have been because Irish republican terrorists were waging a long-standing campaign of terrorism and murder against the United Kingdom, and these terrorists were Irish? As for 'stop and search' and such police tactics that supposedly alienated black people, the fact is they stopped criminals, which is probably why they annoyed certain people so much and were met with race riots. And as for 'institutional racism', this was a term invented by the Macpherson inquiry, with a very loose definition, because it could find no evidence of any particular police officer involved acting in a racist way.I am not at all surprised to see RESPECT and the usual followers of the cult of Islamic victimhood jumping on the bandwagon. This has become a quite effective tactic to deflect criticism from Islam and reverse the perceptions of what is going on. At a time when British Muslims have plotted and committed terrorist attacks against Britain, when Muslims are calling for changes to British society and laws to suit their interests (eg. the religious hatred law), and when Muslim groups are constantly denouncing their own country and the West in the supposed interests of their 'Muslim brothers' overseas and attempting to dictate what Britain's foreign policy should be (sometimes using blackmail - 'change your foreign policy or more of our fellow Muslims will bomb you'), Muslim organisations are trying to turn the situation around to make the Muslims of the UK the victims and British society and the British state the villains, and to convince people that the problem is Islamopbia, when in fact the problem is Islam.

“CHANGE FOREIGN POLICY AND THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THIS CRAP GOING ON PERIOD. Its a simple as that.”
And why should we have to change our foreign policy for Muslims in this country not to carry out terrorist attacks against us? What right has the Muslim minority got to dictate this country’s foreign policy?
We should say no to blackmail.

Amazing how quickly the propaganda machine swings into action. Whatever happens it's always someone else's fault isn't it? British-born killers on the tube - UK foreign policy to blame. Intelligence-led raid on house in east london by police in chemical protection suits - institutional racism. Growing contempt for a belief system that legitimizes any act of violence, any depravity, as long as it is dedicated to some guy called Allan (think I've got that right) - misunderstanding of the religion of peace.

Hmm.... up is down, black is white, peace is war, holy sacrament is bodyparts of the unbelievers.

I have observed, muslims themselves provoke the problems then cry vitcims when others react. This is the main reason why most wars currently going on around the world has muslims in most of them.

I wouldnt blame all muslims but it is the inheriantly ideology of hate, racism and "strike terror into the hearts of the kafir" that is the root of the problem. It is ideology that people follow that is to blame.

9/10 of islamic terrorism around the world can be blamed on sunni/wahabi/tekfiri branch of islam.

The words "Sleeping muslims rise up against tyranny" are very irresponsible.
Who knows what motivation the more radical muslims will take from them. Whoever wrote this article may well be responsible for rioting, violence or
worse. When tensions are high, the last thing we need is someone calling for an extreme reaction. Isn't also a breach of law? Incitement?

A British muslim owes his primary loyalty to Islam not Britain. End of.

The policies of OUR country is run by a bunch of foreigners at the decision making level. Just see the tabloids who so badly fail with their predictions & loyalty. The same goes for “foreign select committee” – mostly a disloyal bunch who uses this country & the West in general to propagate their interests, that is where things go wrong. So to sort out this mess we need a loyalty law that states NOBODY in any form of public representation is allowed in ANY form of communication is allowed to support foreign issues, especially related to their own background, if they disagree then they are a traitor and be prosecuted for treason. This will immediately sort out incitement against anyone. Finally stop them by asset stripping & deporting back to E Europe the ones that use our passport to rape & murder or go to terrorist training camps in “countries” that are occupying land – be it by colonial acts especially.
Terrorism was an invention of the stern gang, it should be renamed israelism, as it murdered untold numbers of White people & its lot are still here living off OUR back.

We can now understand better how anti semitism arose in Nazi Germany, when we see the hysterical campagn waged today against Islam and Moslems.
In the place of the "Jewish threat", today we have "Islamic terror".
Every Moslem is guilty and a suspect, just as every Jew in Germany had to wear a Star of David on his sleeve.
Much if this islamophobia is perpetrated by the jewish lobby.
They want to make us think that all Moslems are terrorists, who threarten the west, so that no-one says anything when the Jews shoot dead Arab kids playing in the streets of Gaza and the occupied West Bank.
Indeed, the Jews call each and every innocent civilian victim of the IDF "a terrorist". Thus, the victims are "Untermenschen" ie sub-humans, no better than an animal. Thus it is not important if "terrorists", as the jews label their victims, are shot dead. They are not people, but mere "terrorists", executed without trial by hired Israeli assassins.
We see more and more, how American and British troops act like these Israeli IDF war criminals, executing civilians, torturing and kidnapping them, witholding the right to a lawyer and a fair trial.This is how Hitler eliminated his enemies too. However, unlike Israel, Brit and American troops end up facing charges. Being more open societies than the military, apartheid state of Israel, Brits and American troops would be well advised, not to murder and kill innocent arabs. Israeli troops can do this, they cannot. Israeli generals and politicians, like Nazi leaders, will be brought to trial, sooner or later. Like the Nazis, they too will say they were "just obeying orders". Then we will see, why the decent, cultured Germans feared the Jewish threat.

British Moslems are under siege, like the Jews in early Nazi Gemany.There are many similarities.Jews are creating a hysterical islamophobic campagne of fear, to frighten ordinary people into hating Moslems. This is exactly how it happened in Germany.Lord Sainsbury, a rich Israeli citizen, resident in London, gave Prime Minister Tony Blair over eight million pounds. Is there any wonder, the British army then invaded Iraq, Israel´s number one enemy? Of course there never were any "weapons of mass destruction". Iraq was invaded to protect Ariel Sharon, and to help Israel violate 80 UN resolutions.Dr David Kelly, who said there wer eno weapons, was then murdered by an Israeli hit squad, specialists in making such assassinations look like suicide. No-one ever died from cut wrists. and why did Israeli employees not turn up for work on 9/11 in the World Trade Towers? It was no jewish holiday. 6000 jews failed to report arrive for work at the jewish firm, Goldmann Sachs alone on that morning. Only a few jews were on the official death lists of NY city.The Jewish Lobby, AIPAC, bribes US Congressmen into donating to Israel $3.5 billion per year, while witholding food and medicines from starving Palestinian children, living inside the Gaza concentratrion camp. Because democratically elected Hamas refuses to capitulate to the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, as the Dutch rightly refused to accept the Nazi occupation of Holland, the US refuse to talk to them. So much for "democracy". And then the Americans talk of Justice and democracy. So, British Moslems, unite. You only have your freedom to loose. All it takes for racist, islamophobic Jews to succeed, is for decent good people to do nothing. Decent jews are unfortunatley cowed into silence. As in Nazi Germany.

A quote from ariel sharon "(Z)jews have their loyalty to israel ONLY, no matter where they live it is israel first only, you work for israel, be it in the goys armed forces you will pass their secrets to us, spy for us, prepare to kill their soldiers by any means possible, plant evidence to shift the blame to them, even if it means killing their families you should do so"

These fifth columnists need to effectively removed from the West.

What some of us fail to understand is that 7/7 was a declaration of civil war on this country, the home to the suicide bombers. Thereafter, it was hush, hush "Islam is a religion of peace". The cartoon protests displayed very clearly how mentally underdeveloped and dangerous political Islam and its followers really are. The Islamists do not fight like real men or solidiers.They always target innocent civilians by whatever means, someone or people they can easily overpower, to give but one example, the beheadings, Like animals, underdeveloped men and children are extremely easily led and suspectible to corpereal thinking."In order to behave correctly, one must think correctly" or so said Pascal. What grown man would believe in their idea of martydom and the 72 virgins malarchy? If they would fall for that they would literally fall for anything. Weak is hardly the word! Similarly, what grown man would count it as an honour to butcher their own daughter or sister or even mother? It is high time Islamists grew up and started acting like grown men perhaps then they may be able to develop the independence to think for themselves, take responsibility for their own lives and actions. They should also learn some self respect perhaps then they may be able to respect the rights of others, their values, religions and the life itself. No one is obliged to believe in their brute sexist, racist, warlike creed and have every right to that view and to express it. If they want respect they should first learn how to respect themselves. Religion is a private matter between the individual and his/her maker not something to be used and abused as a political tool. Muslims, like everyone else are free to worship whatever they like including the fire provided they do not use it to burn down our houses. This freedom stops where our front gates begin. Most decent folk are sick to the back teeth of listening to their wails, Israel,Iraq, US & the West. Anyone would imagine they really cared about the human rights of the Iraqis and Palestinians. We happen to know otherwise, turn on the evening news or ask an ordinary Iraqi who lived under Saddam. As far as they are concerned Israel has no right to exist, the West has no right to exist, the US has no right to exist.In fact no one has a right to exist or live in peace unless they adapt their manner of thinking. Meantime, Muslims countries are the most opressive, improvished and backward places on this earth. Islamists have never fought for freedom or one human right in their own countries. Never stood out or up against their own corrupt, parasitic goverments. So how would they understand what democracy and its freedoms are about. But it seems they do not want democracy but rather Islam and Sharia law. World domination! They are slaves to tyrants and tyrants to slaves. Frightened to death of the life itself. However, their cry babies cannot be allowed to destroy our hard earned democratic rights by using our democratic process and means. What is needed is more education to the dangers posed by political Islam and its anti-human creed. We need more of Melanie Phillip not less. Under the circumstances the pen is more powerful than the sword. If that is Islamaphobia I suggest they deal with it like grown ups do. Some of us have to deal with the consequences of Islamic racism and its threat of mass murder and harm every morning we leave our homes to go about our daily business.

The whole world know israel policy, wipe out the world & make it israel. It cannot behave remotely like a animal as its actions prove, since this countries fifth column media is a utter joke & laughed at repeatedly, we need no more mels, its love of death & mass destruction is what inspired Hitler against actual Jews. You only have to sse the postings before fines race hate to prove it. Blame Islam for your own doings thatis ypur problem. israels "men" are well known as child rapist & ones tha stand behind children using them as human shileds, tying kidnapped babies to the outside of military tanks, experimanting on live pregnant women, etc there is nothing to compare what this idealogy has done or has planned. Your IP has been logged by the system admins so your time is up 'fine'

as i predicted, the discussion is descending into infantile anti semitism even though it started out as a discussion of islam in the UK and the 7/7 attacks, one year after this attrocity what we hear is more conspiracy theories and anti semitism and more rage..hopeless from where i am looking