| Outrage as Ajmal Masroor and ISB slam Palestinian Martyrs |
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It seems our Muslim leaders are as ready, to stab the Ummah in the back for their own egos, as they ever were.
But Masroor has not given the young men and women in Palestine any means to resist; even his words now harm them.           Readers have left 46 comments.
Tufayl Shah:
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It seems like Brother Masroor has yet again tried to raise his profile at the expense of Muslims. Very Sad. May Allah give us all Guidance.
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2006-05-03 00:45:59
bigbadpaki:
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hang him high, I can't stand he's smug face on Islam TV, knowing what a traitor he is, but the surprising thing is @no one calls up and challenges him' Untill we as an Ummah challenge him then the curse starts with him and stops with us.
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2006-05-03 09:01:59
Distressed:
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I must say I never thought I would see the Day that any Muslim leader would turn on the Palestinians.
What right does this man have to judge them. While his children suffer no injury or oppression. I am Palestinian, I saw my two brothers killed at age 6 and 9, by an Israeli sniper from a watchtower. One bullet was lodged in the neck of my younger brother, the older one was killed by two shots to the head. One killed him, the other was shot while he was lying on the floor dead - for target practice. The only crime they committed was they mocked the sniper by throwing small pebble like stones at the watchtower. They were too young for the stones to even reach the sniper, they simply bounced off the steel structure. The Muslims I meet offer the Palestinians nothing more then lip service it is true. How upsetting then to hear the Leaders who so easily abandoned us now come out and condemn us. Maybe Masroor can give me back my brothers, maybe he can stop the pain I feel each night. But if he cannot then at least do not insult their memory. If he condemns those who martyr themselves for Palestine, protect our children from this oppression, if you cannot - leave us alone, you have no right to condemn us, for you do not feel our pain.
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2006-05-03 10:56:29
Letter from America:
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Sir I am an Iraqi, who now lives in America. I log onto this site to find out what is the latest in the UK.
I would never condemn the Palestinians; we have no right to do that. Until we either arm them or we stop them being killed. If we offer no solution, but simply blame the victim for desperate acts, we are guilty of misguiding public opinion and playing into the hands of the Israeli propoganda machine Our leader’s negligence should never be abused to blame the victim. I agree totally one hundred percent with the article, however action should be taken against him now...do we have an email?
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2006-05-03 11:19:00
Realist:
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Yes, Ajmal was a disgrace! BUT! Tariq Ramadan supported him in his statements and MPAC can't stop loving him just because you share the same sound bites.
If you condemn Ajmal, you must also Condemn Tariq Ramadan who mistranslated and misrepresented most of the people he interviewed to suit his own agenda of revising the fundamentals of Islam.
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2006-05-03 12:14:34
Lolli:
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Can a source be provided where the Pope was asked to condemn suicide bombings and he directly refused? He probably just made a more broad intonation for peace.
If you're trying to suggest that the Pope supports any act of violence in the Holy Land...well, you are most likely wrong.
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2006-05-03 12:27:40
David:
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I support Masroor - long live Israel! Finally a Muslim leader with some sense.
Palestinians are terrorists, and if extremists dont want to admit it, its up to the MODERATE Muslim Leaders to speak up and tell their own community what they really are - a bunch of killers. As for the woman who posted in this thread from Palestine, Palestinians should get out and go and live somewhere else if they dont like it! - if they wont go can you blame us for what we do? ISRAEL WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED... I SALUTE THE MODERATE VOICE OF MASROOR.
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2006-05-03 14:48:42
Sword Of Allah:
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I respected Ramadhan...but how could he attack the Palestinians. Shame on him.
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2006-05-03 14:51:11
Is this the same show?:
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Would these comments have been made on the same documentary that MPAC told us to ring and congratulate Ch4 for? Ajmal Masroor may have made these outrageous comments, but it was MPAC who tried to get their members to ring Ch4 and tell them what a good job they did by allowing these views to be aired!
This just goes to show that MPAC is nothing more than a reactionary tabloid organisation, first telling us how great Tariq Ramadan is, and then failing to tell us that Mr Masroor's comments were shown and endorsed on Tariq Ramadan's documentary, as he tried to show the 'moderate' voice. Does MPAC still recommend that we ring Channel 4 and tell them how great the programme was where anti-Palestinian views were aired??
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2006-05-03 16:42:26
Former Jiahdist:
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You are more upset about a bunch of Arab terrorists when called by what they really are murderers, than about the Arabs killing in Darfur 500,000 Black African Muslims in the biggest genocide in the last decade.
Not one article dealing with the Darfur situation has ever been published on this website. All you know to do is deal with insignificant topics like these Philistine Barbarians, the worst trash that animalkind can produce. Where is the UMMAH solidarity when it is needed indeed? Or maybe this UMMAH is just a falacy used only when it suits the Jihadists global aspirations but not when Muslims are truly suffering in Darfur.
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2006-05-03 17:06:14
Active sis:
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Dr Ramadan and Mansoor are 2 different people you. Yes MPACUK are telling you to congratulate the ch4 for the airing of the documentary.
Mr Masoor - is a sepearate issue from Ch4. His head needs to banged together with Shahid Malik.
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2006-05-03 17:38:19
amir khan:
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58- and going strong!!!
Your evil terrorist 'human' bombs should really think about giving up self detonating and start working the land. Every time a dollar is sent to the 'palestinians' (should read Jordanians and Egyptians) the genuinely poor and oppressed die in Darfur.
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2006-05-03 18:23:01
Marcia Visanji:
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Africana
Lolli do get your facts. The Pope and his church launder money for the mafia. They have given a place in the one of the most important church in Rome to Enrico De Pedis. A crypt. This honour is reserved for the Popes but this Mafia boss was able to buy the crypt. Also involved are the Mafia government. They had to exhume his coffin from the local cemetery. Do a search and you will find the strong connection between the church and Mafia. You are right he just hashed up his numerous useless messages. What's more none of these useless message are given when 7 innocent babies have bullets planted in the back of their heads by the US of Israel and their coalition of willing killers. Israel was their with their handy work - one of the gorgeous brown skin angels had her belly split open, just 6 years old. Masroor is known as the Pinocchio of Israel. These are all that Israel can manage
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2006-05-03 19:19:14
Fareed:
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I think "is this the same show" needs to realise that whilst the show was good, this was the one element in it that soured the show.
I think we should still congratulate channel 4 for airing the show, no doubt, but we should also ask Masroor what he meant. Not entirely happy with the way mpac is doing it but thats their business.
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2006-05-03 21:16:48
Ajmal:
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this stupit man has brought shame to my name, what a sell out, mpacuk you are doing a great job expose this enemy within. i spose the next thing he will say is that jihad does not exist and is an inovation or some thing very stupid.
Remmember Mr Ajmal, they know who you are and you will never succeed no matter how much you compromise.
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2006-05-03 21:36:38
SS:
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Here we go, more of what MPAC does best, character assassination, and this too through the Palestinian issue. More impressive is the frenzy that the MPAC readers get themselves into.
We take our morals from the Qur'an and the Sunnah, not the pope. The fact of the matter is that, yes the Palestinian people are in a humiliated position, and Israelis are committing gross injustices. Getting your children to blow-up civilians is not the answer - no matter how desperate you might be. This is not the first time the Muslims have found themselves in such a position, this has happenned to the first Muslim community, and we know from the prophetic examples that he (pbuh) was more willing to compromise at the expense of Muslims rather than resort to reckless targetting of civilians and self-destruction. Look at the treaty of Hudaibiyyah by way of example. The author of this article very much misses the point of the statement: "it is easy to die for Islam, but it is hard to live for Islam." Yet the author unintentionally makes the point throughout the article that it is harder to be living Palestinian than a dead one. Suicide bombings are helping no one. It is not helping the Palestinian cause, I believe that the Palestinians are provoked to carry out these attacks, and the hot-heads amongst them fall for it. Hamas is now in power, let them bring peace to the lands through diplomatic means, diplomacy is better than war, peace is better than strife, and security in place of danger, even if the Palestinians have to compromise their rights. This is a mighty trial from Allah, and Allah promises Success to the believers, if not today, then tomorrow. We don't need to do anything that contravene the Shar'iah when we realise it is Allah who Has all strength and power.
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2006-05-03 23:34:19
Bilal Patel:
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Masroor sounds like someone who wants to weasel his way back into mainstream politics and is prepared to say anything to do it. Obviously he is a man without principles. I think he probably cheers in his heart every time a resistance attack is carried out, but hasn't got the guts to admit it.
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2006-05-04 00:55:33
david:
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The hate & lies has started again, so when arre the genocidal terrorists/sternists going to punished for murdering & raping 100 million Africans, no amount of zioning (hatred & lies) will change facts. These israeli fundamentalists have run away back "home"?? to the West, these barbarians keep on going abpout the lies of their "suffering", but it butchers children regularly. It pretend moderation like its history is ajoke.
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2006-05-04 10:17:47
Solaiman:
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to Former Jiahdist:
This website has a contribute button at the top page. Rather than being a moaning groaning citizen of this country why don't you do an article about Darfur. As for the rest of your message its not even worth replying to.
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2006-05-04 10:58:35
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What a stupid comment by SS, its obvious he has never understood anything of Palestine and now sits pontificating about it.
If SS could read, he would see that the article is saying " we have no right to condemn them publically", as it is used as a propoganda tool by the Israeli's. If fools like SS ever get into positions of leadership we must fight them with all our might, high minded principles with low level intellect is the cancer of the ummah. ps maybe SS will send his mother there as a proof he really cares, lets see how he follows the Quran when its his mother in the fireing line.... After she ahsd been shot then tell us how great you are, not before.
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2006-05-04 11:32:17
Mr Rubble:
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Where's the exact quote from the Pope? Moral fibre? Not after all the child abuse scandals... I can comprehend your annoyance/anger but you should be a bit more coherent. Is it really that bad (if this is what Br Masroor meant) to suggest that Palestinians should find better outlets to resist rather than killing themselves? It's not the 'only weapon they have' it's just one that was suggested and pushed in such a manner that now every1 says it so.
I can't comment on the programme as I haven't seen it yet but I get the feeling that as you have a previous grievance with Br Masroor from earlier then this may have clouded your judgement somewhat (if there is a judgement to be made at all). And just to make it clear, I am fully behind our Brothers and Sisters in Palestine but being 'outsiders' we should take advantage of the clearer visions available than to those who are in the circle and see only what is before them. May Allah (swt) guide us all.
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2006-05-04 11:46:59
Hafiz:
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SS using the Quran and Hadith without proper understanding is an easy way to hellfire.
So scared was HadhraT UMAR rta of quoting hadith to back his argument that he often refused to mention them. To claim the Propeht PBUH did went through the same oppression but did not use the same tactic is ignorant of the history of islam. The Prophet PBUH went through this oppression whilst in Mecca and the command to "fight them like they fight you" had not been given. So in short they had no mandate from Allah to fight at all in any way. The point of the article is also missed by this self proclaimed Islamic scholar for and on behalf of not opposing Israeli brutality. The article says that he had "no right to condemn unless he could actually help give them a solution". If you SS can give them an F-16 then we stand corrected, until then simply shut up. Ps the israeli;'s would be proud of a muslim like you well done!
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2006-05-04 13:52:11
Abrar:
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IUts easy to say what they shouyldnt do SS - what would you have them do, sit there and die.
To talk about what Hamas should do, is pathetic! I am not even sure you are muslim - will you say for the rest of us here openly and clearly that israel is an evil racist state and the jews had no right to steal the land of the palestinians and should return it now? Can i ask another question do you believe the Palestinians have a right to resist or do they have no right?
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2006-05-04 14:22:02
Jammy Dodgem Esq:
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May 17 2005, 58 Muslim clerics from different schools issued a fatwa (legal opinion or ruling by a Muslim scholar) that decreed that suicide attacks violated Islamic teachings and were not an instrument for jihad. Muneebur Rehman, president of the Tanzeemul Madaris Pakistan, (an association of religious seminaries of different schools), said: “Anyone who takes part in a suicide attack thinking that he or she had God’s blessings will not be considered Muslim.” The fatwa declared killing innocent people haram (forbidden) and carried the death penalty.
19 Jul 2005. On behalf of over 500 clerics, scholars and Imams the British Muslim Forum issues the following religious decree: Islam strictly, strongly and severely condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives. There is neither place nor justification in Islam for extremism, fanaticism or terrorism. Suicide bombings, which killed and injured innocent people in London, are haram - vehemently prohibited in Islam, and those who committed these barbaric acts in London are criminals not martyrs. 29 Jul 2005. The religious edict, issued by the Fiqh Council of North America, ruled that suicide bombings were "haram" (forbidden) and said anyone guilty of such "barbaric acts are criminals, not 'matyrs'". 27 Aug 2005 Agence France-Presse reports that a prominent London-based militant Islamic scholar has issued a fatwa banning suicide operations: "To my mind, these operations are closer to suicide than to martyrdom-seeking, and they are taboo and not permissible" for a number of reasons, wrote Syrian-born Abdul Menem Mustafa Halimeh, alias Abu Baseer al-Tartussi, on his website. The Saudi-owned pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat, which reported Tartussi's fatwa on Saturday, described him as a top ideologue for Islamist militants and said his edict had provoked angry reactions on Islamist websites, with some accusing him of letting down Al-Qaeda followers. Tartussi cited several reasons for banning suicide operations including: Suicide violates dozens of (Islamic) religious texts; and Suicide bombings often "wrongfully killing innocent and sacred souls, be they Muslim or otherwise."
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2006-05-04 14:22:13
Tahira:
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Simple question - Have the scholars given the Palestinians the aid needed to fight back - if not what right do they have to condemn anything.
They are simply scholars for dollars. Tell them to help the community instead of condemn them. Jewish leaders have given billions in aid to israel, our scholars have sat on their backsides and complained but their own people - well done!
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2006-05-04 14:39:23
Qardawi Supports Palestinians:
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Suicide bombings
Qaradawi strongly supports Palestinian suicide bombing attacks on Israeli targets, including against civilians and claim there are legitimate form of resistance. Qaradawi also claims that hundreds of other Islamic scholars are of the same opinion. Defending suicide bombing against Israeli civilians Qaradawi told BBC Newsnight that: "An Israeli woman is not like women in our societies, because she is a soldier." "I consider this type of martyrdom operation as an evidence of God's justice." "Allah Almighty is just; through his infinite wisdom he has given the weak a weapon the strong do not have and that is their ability to turn their bodies into bombs as Palestinians do".
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2006-05-04 14:42:34
You think you know more then Qar:
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"I am astonished that some sheikhs deliver fatwas that betray the mujahideen, instead of supporting them and urging them to sacrifice and martyrdom," announced Qaradawi.[ Qaradawi based his opposition to these fatwas on the premise that Israelis were not civilians but rather combatants in a war of occupation waged against the Palestinians. He argued that
Israeli society was completely military in its make-up and did not include any civilians … How can the head of Al-Azhar incriminate mujahideen who fight against aggressors? How can he consider these aggressors as innocent civilians? While sanctioning suicide attacks against Israelis, Qaradawi quickly condemned the September 11 attacks against American civilians, claiming that "such martyrdom operations should not be carried out outside of the Palestinian territories." Attempting to differentiate between terrorism and "martyrdom," Qaradawi declared, "The Palestinian who blows himself up is a person who is defending his homeland. When he attacks an occupier enemy, he is attacking a legitimate target. This is different from someone who leaves his country and goes to strike a target with which he has no dispute." Qaradawi distinguished "martyrdom operations" from terrorism as an act of self-defense and thus a legitimate form of resistance. He continues: "The Palestinians have a right to defend their land and property from which they were driven out unjustly…the Palestinians have a right to resist this usurping colonialism with all the means and methods they have. This is a legitimate right endorsed by the divine laws, international laws, and human values"
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2006-05-04 14:48:35
sister m:
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the fact is many respected scholars like Sh. Hamza Yusuf, Nuh Kellar and others agree that suicide bombing in all contexts is haram...it is legitmate view..however what is unacceptable is how Muslims are constantly told to condemn suicide bombings in Israel while Zionists/Israelis are never asked to condemn the deliberate shooting of Palestinian children or any of the illegal violence perpertrated by the 'IDF'....this double standard is intolerable.
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2006-05-04 20:24:49
SS:
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Most of the responders to my post (including the ones not published) have demonstrated their low IQ, and are not worth responding to.
But for the more intelligent responders... I believe that Israel is an illegitimate nation, that is perpetrating gross injustices, and the Palestinians have no options but to defend themselves and to resist the occupation. But this must be done within the boundaries of the Shari'ah. Brother Hafiz condemns me for making statements about the Qur'an and Sunnah without having proper knowledge, yet goes on to do the same by quoting the Qur'an, insha Allah, perhaps he is more knowledgable than I am. I for one am no scholar, but a muqallid of scholars whose fatwa br. Jammie Esq has aptly summarised. To add to that list, a recent fatwa by his eminence Sheikh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti (may Allah preserve him) - please look it up. Sheikh Al-Qaradawi is entititled to his view, but this is to be stressed that he is in the minority on this one. "Fight them as they fight you", what does that mean? So, if they were to rape our women and children, are we allowed to do the same? The answer is "no", because the Shari'ah condemns us from this. Then why stop at killing women, children and civilians despite the prophet warning us against this? I have cited scholars for my position, who are the scholars that you referred to for this spurious interpretation which potentially licenses the very things the prophet condemned? Besides, my example was of the treaty of Hudaibiyyah, which was during the late Medinan period, when the hukm of jihad was firmly established. I advise you to brush up on your history before condemning others of ignorance. I don't see why I cannot condemn the killing of civilians and suicide bombing if I am not arming these people. They are using Islam to justify their evil, and this must be condemned for the good of all. Yes, they are desperate - but Islam tells us how to behave in such circumstances, and it does not involve killing civilians and committing suicide bombings. I have already stated what direction I believe things should go to resolve these issues, and wish not to repeat myself again. Final point, my call for a peaceful solution, and for the fighters to observe the limits of Shari'ah has led people to doubt whether I am a Muslim or not, how twisted is that?
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2006-05-04 20:41:36
Re SS:
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I am surprised at SS, having read some of his comments in the past , he seemed to me a man of intellect and reason, it seems his judgement in this vital issue has been flawed.
I agree that if men like SS were to get into leadersip positions we should fight them, for they would betray the Palestinians to the Israeli's in the name of the Quran! SS should have used his wisdom and not fallen for such foolish statements as those of Masroor. Let me expand: 1. Masroor is a Muslim Leader speaking on National TV condemind the way Palestinians fight back. For years the Israeli propoganda machine has wanted to demonise the Palestinians by using this argument. Wrong or right here is irrelevent, propoganda wise Masroor gave the Israeli's what they wanted on a plate! 2. The Palestinians have had very little help from people like Masroor and SS, they have neither given them the ability to fight "the Quranic way" as they claim it is. With no help from the ummah what right does the ummah have to condemn them onm national TV. Perhaps we could condemn Masroor and SS for allowing the Israeli's to put the Palestinians int hat postion in the first place? Perhaps condemn Israel for making a man so desperate he takes a desperate stand. Instead of keeping silent, they now shamelessly hand propoganda tools to the Zionists! and call it Islamic!!!!! Debating in private is one thing, going on TV and attacking Palestine, never once demanding anything of the evil state of israel is another. 3. Qardawi is one of the most important and respected Scholars in the world today! - thus there is a difference of opinion on the matter. What right have you got to say the Scholar is wrong? Scholars can debate things, your right is simply to say "their is a difference of opinion" 4. If we are going to attacking martrdom operations then - surely SS should look at the root not the oppressed who react to an unbearable oppression that he has never experienced. what does he know of his children being kiulled for sport?, or his mother being raped or brother tortured? The ROOT is Israel - maybe on TV it would have been better to demand Israel stop killing innocents, the Palestinians could then be asked to stop. Would it not have been better to demand his idiot local muslim leader demand the mp's stop arming the israeli's? - no these people do not go on TV and condemn the local mosque fool or either Israeli army, instead - BLAME PALESTINE THE QURAN TELLS US TOO. shame when our leaders and their followers behave like children in a time of war. Propoganda is a weopan - SS and Masroor have handed it to Israel. We hope you are proud of youselfs.
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2006-05-05 10:27:33
How Pathetic:
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It just hows how poorly Masroor and his so called relgious friends understand the Palestinian conflict.
They were not asking Masroor too condemn the Israeli's, they asked him to condemn palestine. (which he did) Game set and match Israel. Thankyou Masroor and SS for your very clever use of the Quran to lose the propoganda war and help the Israeli's further demonise Palestine's resistance. Brilliant work. Maybe they should read a little less from their DIY how to blag islam books and read a bit more of Jihad. "War is deception" Hadith Bukhari It seems the only people who got decieved by the media's questioning were the fools who claim to know Islam Masroor and SS. Grow up! - we are living i the real world, and if u are not clever enough to fight in it, get back in your bedrooms and let others do it!
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2006-05-05 10:57:19
hanan:
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Shame on you former Jihadist! How dare you call the Palestinians barbaric??????????????????????? Have you even visited the Holy Land? Have you been in their position? Have you been humiliated? Have you had your mother insulted and your baby and young children murdered before your eyes??? Allah y samhak...To distressed..I pray that Allah relieves your pain and hope you draw comfort from the fact that your brothers must be in Paradise..Distressed is right...until you dont go to Palestine, arm the innocent, protect the young and elderly and vulnerable, fight shoulder to shoulder with your Muslim brothers against their oppression, liberate their country, suffer what they suffer on a daily basis...not one single one of u has the right to pass judgement on them...leave that to God, the best of all judges! They are resisting in the only way they know how...I know that if somebody so much as slapped my brother in front of me, I would twist off their arm and break it, so what of the gross atrocities each one of them suffers daily?? and that too without active condemnation from the international community or from their own Ummah? you think they have a choice??? you think they enjoy blowing themselves up and throwing away their futures? Because you are sadly misguided if u believe that. Live and let die...it is a matter of their human rights, honour and religion...better to die than to live in humiliation.,..and frankly one day..after my work is done..inshallah i will offer more than words and sympathy to help them..I too will fight with them against the real barbarians..and if I die in the process..this is the most honourable death a Muslim could wish for in my opinion. Either go there and fight with them, throw stones, arm them with artillery matching the Israeli Army's or just sit at home and pray for them and shut up...until war doesnt come to your doorstep...you have no idea wot they r suffering and how you would react in their situation. For god's sake, if you cant help them dont try to demoralise them by stabbing them in the back. Ws
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2006-05-05 14:38:04
The Sufi:
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What Masroor and SS do not understand is this. Humans do have rights over each other, but not before responsibilty. Britain has no right to condemn Palestinians for the actions they do, for they are the ones who took the Palestinians land by force, they are the ones who gave that land to the Jews, and then they and western states armed the Jews against unarmed palestinian civilians - AND THEY ARE STILL DOING IT.
Its not about what Masroor or SS think is right or wrong, they have NO RIGHT to condemn them. The condemnation is hypocritical. Just as if America condemned the Palestinians it would be morally repuganant as it arms the Israeli's to kill unarmed Palestinians, how then can they complain one side who defends itself now matter in which manner. So too it is morally repugnant for British Muslims who have not been willing to do what Jews have done for their community, and either rovide the necessary arms by lobbying western governments or poliically mobilise to apply a boycott on arms to Israel. Those who give no help, nor any solution have no right to condemn. SS may claim he has a right under Islam. This is childish understanding of Islam and is flawed. Even his attempt of using the treaty of Hudabiya is out of context in almost everyway. 1. Muslims who claim to use the Quran to condemn the oppressed, fail to see in the Quran their first duty, is to stop the oppression. One cannot use the Quran as a stick to beat others but not as a stick for ones own failure!. - Masroor perhaps should have condemned himself if he was sincere to the teachings of the Quran for not doing the fard duty of Jihad. 2. Under Islam Masroor would infact be punished for stepping into the realms of Jihad and handing over a propoganda victory to the Zionists. 3. The treaty of Hudaybia was not a period of occupation, it granted peace to the Muslims who lived by in large free to preach their faith. Which is nothing like the situation of Palestine. SS either doesnt know this (which is sinful, since he has misquoted the Quran without doing real research, or he is a deliberate stooge for the Zionists.) As for the ISB was once a pioneering group, it is sad that they have become a group for cronies and sell outs.
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2006-05-05 15:33:14
SS:
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Go and read a detailed account of the treaty of Hudaibiyyah, how it came about, the seriously compromised position that it put the Muslims in, the initial opposition from Umar against the decision of the prophet (pbuh) and the position of Abu Bakr on the issue.
I am disturbed by the suggestion that Muslims should stay quiet in the name of showing solidarity to the Palestinians despite the evil they are committing, and that too in the name of Islam. Our comments supposedly arms the Israeli propaganda against the Palestinians. Now, I admit I am politically naive, but the above suggestion and the last point in particular is sheer political stupidity, for several reasons. For instance, Israeli propaganda has pulled the carpet from under the feet of Palestinians a long time ago, the Palestinians handed it to them on a platter when they blew up children in school buses, and when they were cheering in the streets of Palestine on the 9/11, and with their continiuous campaign against the Israeli civilians. What World are you guys living in? You really think that turning a blind eye to these crimes is really going to influence public opinion for the Palestinians? Br. Ajmal has been consistently making the point that these kind of attacks are doing more harm than good for the Palestinian cause. From the West (e.g. Sh. Hamza Yusuf, Sh. Zaid Shakir...) to the East (e.g. Sh. Taqi), from the salafi scholars (Sh. Bin Baaz, Sh. Albaani, Sh. Uthaimeen) to the traditional scholars (Sh. Bin Bayyah, Sh. Nuh...) have all been speaking out against killing of civilians and suicide bombings a lot longer than Ajmal Masroor. Yet, people are quick to sink their teeth into the fleshes of the scholars by labelling them with "government scholar", or, "scholar for dollar". I never did say Sh. Qaradawi is wrong, though I think right and wrong are absolute concepts, and therefore if the above scholars are right, then sh. Qaradawi must be wrong. Yes, the root of the problem lies with Israel and its policies, but to then say that the Palestinians should not be told to stop until Israel stops is to do what the Zionists do, and say what they say. It seems to me that to reiterate what the 'ulema say on resistance and it's Islamic ethics is considered harmful and a vice by MPAC followers, people have doubted my Islam over my statements, but I am starting to doubt their imaan, and their ability to put their trust in Allah, There is no Power or Strength except in Allah.
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2006-05-05 16:30:32
SS:
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Some of the responses I have read thus far are quite astonishing. It does make me wonder whether people here are in support of the Beslan terrorists who killed children, the twelve who carried out 9/11 or the 7/7 bombers. If not, then how do you justify this double standard?
I have pointed to the scholars by way of proof to the arguments that have been put forward by Br. Ajmal and now myself. Yet I am still accused of "clver play of the Qur'an", and to have induldged in "DIY and blag Islam books", did he even read any of my posts? As if to then provide some enlightenment, he cites a hadith (entirely out of its context), "war is deception" Sahih Bukhari. What? Was that suppose to show that all the 'ulema I have cited must be wrong, because one little twerp on MPAC has managed to cite a hadith which everyone of the 'ulema quoted must have forgotten?
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2006-05-05 16:43:12
LevelHead:
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Why do you people cloud their sense of judgement with all this "Islamic" jargon. The plain fact is simple. Palestinians (ie. human beings), oppressed and with their hands tied, are retaliating with only means available to them as any human being will do. And there you have a silly idiot coming on TV condemning the oppressed and not the oppressor, hiding behind some "Islamic" rhetoric and justification. It is not a question of Islam and Muslim, and all too often this is used to distort common sense in most Muslims. See things as a human being (lift the veil of 'religion') and you might see things as they really are.
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2006-05-05 19:39:07
Zionist:
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long live Ajmal Masroor, No doubt Ajmal Masroor is a sell out but look how much confussion he has caused you stupid Muslims. hahahaha.Im loving this let me reasure you Ajmal Masroor is not the last to sell himself there are many more to come. long live Israel, long live Ajmal Masroor.
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2006-05-05 23:02:15
muslimah:
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(Assalamu alaikum) I am in full support of my Palestinian brothers and sisters and their right to reclaim their land, but how can suicide bombings be considered Islamic, when they inevitably always include the killing of innocent civilians, which clearly contradicts the Shariah guidance for jihad. (Masalaam)
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2006-05-06 00:00:25
Informer:
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I am astonished at the hypocresy of MPAC here. In one breath they condem Ajmal Moron and also support reformation agenda of the Israeli firsters. The only way to break the resistance of the Palestinians is to remove the moral support of Islam and the dignity it give to Palestinian resistance. If Islam can be reformed (read destroyed), i.e take out the bits that make muslsims support causes liek Palestine, Iraq etc. then support for Palestine and Mulsims being opressed is also destroyed. Now, Ajmal Moron has always been a self promoting imbecile who seems to live in bubble of his own making. He loves to hear himself talk. As no one else will promte him the man has to do it himself, what if few Palestinian lives are sacrficed in the process. Our own selfstyled "trick ramadan". I recall, he was on telly everyday after 9/11 looking and sounding stupid as ever. I note nothing has changed in the last 4 years then.
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2006-05-06 00:08:34
Bamba:
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Dear Muslimah, No one is saying suicide bombing is islamic. Lift the "Islamic" veil from your eyes. All is being said is that the Palestinians (or any people) have a right to life in dignity and security and when this is taken away from them they'll will do anything to defend that right. Desperate situations lead to desperate means, it's human nature. That is a human reaction whether Islam permits or not is irrelevant. It is the job of muslims to do what they can to remove the cause of this desperation and not sit back and make comments as to whether religion permits it or not. You wanna support your brothers in Palestine? Then work towards removing the cause of their desperate state - 'cos they don't care what fatwa you come up with, because they're too busy trying to stay alive.
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2006-05-06 17:52:00
Adnan Malik:
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Salaams
Ajmal Masroor is a new generation of Muslims who has sold his Deen for a few pence like all the traitors of the past. He never allows calls from people who want to challenge him on Islam Channel. Write to Islam Channel and ask him to be removed as a matter of urgency. May Allah protect this Ummah from the likes of Ajmal Masroor and his ilks. Adnan
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2006-05-08 21:32:59
AbdAllah:
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The jews say the christians have nothing to stand upon, and the christians say the jews have nothing to stand upon, but they profess to follow the same book.
So let us use the book they use to justify suicide bombings. Let us look at Samson. His hair cut, his power drained. His oppressors jeering at him. His prayer to the Creator of the Heavens and the earth was accepted, his strength restored, the building came down upon his enemies and the enemies of The Almighty destroying them, but Samson too. So The Sustainer of the Heavens and the Earth, used his slave to punish His enemies even though his own life was also ended. The Zionists kill children with high powered rifles. They are the enemy of The Sustainer of All Life. The next time you see your children, or the children of your friends or relatives imagine that one of them had been assassinated by Zionists, what would you do? May The Beneficent, Owner of All Praise protect the Palestinians, and cause the plans of His enemies come to naught that I may witness it within my lifetime. Ameen.
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2006-05-10 09:21:42
S. Benari:
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When I was a boy the fighting started, the bullets flew from the old walls of Jerusalem. The Jewish soldiers came and fired back, and the Jordanians slipped away. For a while we were scared. Who knew what would happen. But nothing did.
Then the PLO proclaimed Sumud, and enforced it at the point of a gun. And we were silent. Then Elias Frejj called form local democracy. The Jews said little. The PLO bombed his car. We said nothing. We crossed the line and found jobs among the Jews - the jobs they didn't want. Their army made girls go to school for the first time since 1948. Their army brought law. On TV we watched Arafat forget us,except as a means to wealth, and we were silent. Then in 1987 the frustrated youth started the intifadeh, but the PLO and Hamas took it over with their guns and made it easy for the Jews. In the end Hamas killed 2 Palestinians for every one the Jews killed. Then after Olso came Arafat with his corruption and lies. He made a deal with the Jews, then told us he hadn't. He gave away money and land to his friends. When the Jews challenged him he handed out guns to try to intimidate the Jews. But the Jews had more guns. Hamas grew stronger because we never challenged them, they got more guns and more Palestinians died. The Jews closed the borders and we couldn't go to work because too often bombers had slipped through. In came people from Thailand, Turkey, China and elsewhere to replace us. We started to go hungry. Sharon talked about transfering Palestinians from Israel into Palestine. We quietly slipped away and used our residency permits to move to Tel Aviv and elsewhere, fearful. Violence against Christians increased, the US offered them asylum, and slowly they began to leave the West Bank towns. Yet the media in the West and East was blind to this, or gagged, or simply didn't care. And with their disinterest slipped away the hopes for peace with the Jews, and the chance to benefit from cooperation with them. They are starving and dying in Gaza, not because there is no money, but because they are at war with Israel and guns and the war are more important for Hamas.
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2006-05-11 08:52:24
Tahajjud:
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Salaams Brothers and Sisters,
Do not let the hatred of a ppl stop you for dealing with them justly... Ajmal may have said something we dislike but calling him a snake and "hating" His smug face on Islam channel is not going to help the issue. He has a opinion which is obviously rejected by the many who have posted here - pls respond critically to what is said not the one who said it. Ie "Ajmal is incorrect is his statement that x,y,z... which is wrong because of a,b,c NOT Ajmal is a snake because He said x,y,z. He's a traitor... a liar, a this... a that... Let us have ettiquette in differences and not use emotional insults to cloud the issue. It devalues the whole process of discussion and illustrates that we are nothing but a bunch of school children not the informed political activists we want to be... wa'salaam.
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2006-05-15 11:48:52
SS:
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Al-Jazeera features an article today, where the Egyptian authorities have linked the terrorist attacks to Gaza. This poses many problems, but more importantly it goes to show that when you unleash the tiger, it is very difficult to then control it.
Meanwhile, the Palestinians are killing each other on the streets, one of the news channels (the EuroNews or something like that) showed young teenagers being caught up in the crossfire. A fatwa by Sh. Qaradawi might be valid (but most certainly a minority view), but it is dangerous to voice it, since it has repercussions of this nature. Let us not play ostrich and admit that we have a terrorism problem, and it needs widespread condemnation if we are to remain safe in the World.
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2006-05-23 20:33:02
STOP_CALAMITIES:
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Verily, the Prophet(SAW) said of the portents of the hour, "harj(Abyssinian for killing) will be prevalent"-Bukhari; and the people (of the ummah) obsessed with slandering Muslims in particular in public are what the Prophet(SAW) described as "Khawarijun", and exposing any evil (of a believer) that Allah has concealed, then Wallahi we are in for a rough time!!! O' People, Please STOP SPREADING Fitnah and be united; for Allah's sakes.
And Allah Knows Better
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2006-11-30 23:21:08
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