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| Two Murdered in Tooting |
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| Monday, 08 May 2006 | |
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Recently in the news you may have heard of two brothers being murdered in Tooting. This was shocking to most of the Muslim community of how brutal our youth have become. What was most tragic was the fact that a mother lost two of her sons in one go. The father said that she still does not believe it and is expecting them to come through the door any second. The murder of Muhammad has also left his young pregnant wife a widow and son fatherless. So the question that is on everyone’s mind is what the reason was. There have been many rumours that are circulating through grapevines. One that keeps re occurring is that it was gang motivated. Tooting has been infamous for gang related violence for many years. It has a large Pakistani and Tamil community. Generally the fighting takes place within the communities and not against. The Pakistani gangs in Tooting are the leaders and strongest in numbers and violence. They have a reputation that they have built over the past two decades. It stems from armed robberies to extortion and gang violence. The life on the street for any gang member revolves around one strong principle. That is "rep", the reputation of a man on the street is everything. It is what he is known by, it is his degree, his M.A and Ph.D. His respect is built on his rep and he will kill to protect his rep. Now two things occur for a man with a rep on the street and they both happen simultaneously. Firstly, he is feared and respected by his peers for the number of fights he has had or whatever he has built his rep on. And secondly jealousy from “lower” street boys (who wish to raise themselves) above his rep and they will always try to attack his rep. His role in turn is to protect his rep and at the same time go higher in the ranks. What happened to Muhammad and Haydar Ali is a tragedy but it is gang related according to rumours. The brothers were involved in a bitter feud with another local gang and had been accused of being “facety”. This resulted in cars being smashed and people being hurt and reputations being damaged. This issue has been ongoing for a long period of time and it culminated in the murder of two brothers. The sad thing is that this is not unusual, it is happening everyday and these issues are reaching boiling point in many largely populated Asian communities. A lot of people fail to give these young guys any attention, so they go and try to seek attention in the most horrendous ways and from the wrong types of people. Some people say it is the age, what can you do? Yes there is truth in that, the age is difficult but the responsibility does fall on us. We need to do more to deal with the rude bwoys on the street. Because they are the next generation and if we fail them than I doubt others will be running to pick them up.
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SirB:
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This is what happens when pakistani parents are more interested in earning loads of money, watching stupid Bollywood and clinging on to their culture.
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2006-05-08 09:47:22
Karim:
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What are the mosque's in tooting doing to eradicate this evil?.....
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2006-05-08 12:53:01
jay:
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Mosques in Tooting telling everyone not to tell the police it will cause more problems thats what they are doing. Gang members (THEY WERE GANG MEMBERS? I DONT THINK SO)2 FRIENDS GONE TO HELP OUT MATES. (IS THIS CONSIDERED A GANG OR FRIENDSHIP) FRIENDS WHO LEFT THEM TO DIE AND CONTINUE THEIR DAILY LIVES AS NORMAL.
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2006-05-10 11:26:46
So style gangsta:
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Jay, they weren't helping out any friends, their friends were helping them. Please get your facts straight before you attempt to make comments that you have no knowledge of.
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2006-05-10 22:50:25
Badmanaman:
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Whatsup&peace-
I is feeling what u is saying but u got to hold it down, this is a Muslim forum you cant go gunning man like that! P.S whats a MOFO? Seriously anyone?
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2006-05-11 19:59:46
saima:
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DOES NOT GIVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE SOMEONES LIFE,
EVERYONE KNOWS PEOPLE IN TOOTING ALWAYS HAVE DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT. ALSO I HEARD THAT THE MOSQUE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND PROTECTS THESE EVIL PEOPLE.IAM NOT JUST SAYING THIS EVERYONE IN TOOTING KNOWS THIS. ALSO THE FUED WAS NOT WITH THE BROTHERS IT WAS THE GUYS THEY WERE WITH IN THE VAN.
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2006-05-15 17:18:29
maliha-sis saima:
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AA,
So why were the to brothers killed? I heard it was because they were facety oo, is that true? M
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2006-05-15 21:35:09
Isa:
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Saima sister, tooting mosque has held two appeals and on saturday at wimbledon mosque another public appeal was made (people from tooting mosque helped to arrange this), where the two brothers father spoke. They have asked the youth not to act violent towards each other and for those that are guilty to own up. Do not go blaming others on rumours, as a muslim you should know to be truthful and not making false testimony especially against a mosque. Jay, the mosque believes in justice why would they tell people to keep quite.
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2006-05-16 00:11:07
Shahzadi:
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Brother Isa,
Of course everyone is appealing for calm, but surely if what Brother Adil said is corrct than there will be retributions from Wimbledon's part? Is it not too little too late for the mosque to appeal for calm now that the public "media" eye is on Tooting? Why have they suddenly decided to act on a problem that they have know about for decades and this is not the first time a stabbing has occured in Tooting, why is it this time they are taking action when previously they sat back and stroked their beards? Seems fishy to me
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2006-05-16 11:49:13
saima:
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If your facety does that mean that someone should kill you,anyway how do you know they were facety? In what way?
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2006-05-16 12:10:54
saima:
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They were helping the guys who owned the shop and van,they had the ongoing fued with the tooting boys.They were caught up in the middle trying to help these guys.
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2006-05-16 12:16:03
m l:
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i knew Mohammed, havent seen him for a while i cant belive something like this happened to such a nice person, let him and his brother rest in peace, and hope that they catch the people who did this to them!!
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2006-05-16 13:47:04
saima:
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It had nothing to do with the wimbledon guys,none of them were even there.
The argument was with guy from tooting with the tooting boys. Mohammed and hayder were not even involved in any of this,they stayed away from this shit for years. They were just caught up in the middle. Also if someone has died as a muslim do not say they deserved to die.Also dont compare them to jews.Killing someone is wrong no matter what.
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2006-05-16 18:56:47
Showkat:
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I am sorry to say Saima, that the info you have maybe from another angle. Namely the viewpoint of the Wimbledon boys. They have denied any involvement in this however it is common knowledge that they were very much responsible.
I appreciate that they did not deserve to die but I also believe that it was their time and Allah chose to take them as he willed. The fact that it was in a gang related incident is is due to the lifestyle they chose. If you are claiming it is not their fault that they were there that night with a van full of men with machetes and knives; and it is not thier fault that thier gang member friends ran away than I have to respectfully disagree. Now I am only saying what seems to be common knowledge in Tooting and Wimbledon, everyone has come to the evaluation that they were involved in the fued. But it is also recognised that they got murdered due to the fact they were the only ones who got caught. It was wrong for them to be killed in that way, but there is after all " the law of the streets"
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2006-05-16 21:51:08
saima:
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YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING,
THEIR LIFESTYLE WAS WITH THEIR WIVES AND KIDS, NEVER WENT OUT IN FIVE YEARS AFTER GETTING MARRIED. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT COZ NO ONE IN THE VAN HAD ANY KNIVES - IF THEY HAD, DONT U THINK THEY WOULD HAVE USED THEM. AND THERE WERE NO WIMBLEDON BOYS IN THE VAN - I KNOW EVERY PERSON THAT WAS IN THAT VAN THAT NIGHT AND SURROUNDING THE VAN. AGAIN, YOU CANNOT JUDGE ON SOMEONES LIFESTYLE WHEN YOU DONT KNOW THEM AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE PASSED AWAY, YOU SHOULD NOT BE SPEAKING BAD OF THEM. ALLAH KNOWS ALL
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2006-05-16 23:45:14
showkat:
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Sister Saima,
Please respect the forum by not getting emotional. Clearly my comments have grieved you, possibly because you were in the van that night and you ran, or because you knew the men/women? Who were in the van. Regardless it is not important, the main thing now is that you get past what has happened and try to put that lifestyle behind you. I suggest not getting involved in gang related issues as they will cause you more problems (both emotionally and physically). I pray that you find a nice husband who is not involved in any gangs and goes to mosque. P.S is it possible that there is two sides to the story and you only know one side?
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2006-05-17 00:36:51
saima:
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I actually worked with the brother.
So what is the other side? Also you cannot judge if someone was guilty or not. Allah Taala is the only one who can, so please no matter who dies,you dont say they were the bad ones. This is a muslim website and how can even go on like that.
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2006-05-17 15:23:56
Showkat:
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Alright Saima,
Respect to you. You held your ground and you stood by what you believed. We may have our differences but I respect you. So "I wont go on like that" Done, finished. :o)
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2006-05-18 02:19:32
uzma`:
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everyone get a grip of urdelves. two brothers, and two loved sons have been lost...a wife has lost her husband and the love of her life a son has lost a father. no one can say they know what happended because they dont. let them rest in peace. and dnt post rubbish that their family might see and be hurt by. i knew the wife very well for years...may allah help her with her grief. no on knows what she is going through.or the parents atleast stop the stupid chit chat . it wasent a entertainment for you. get a grip.
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2006-05-20 00:28:42
saima:
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I actually wasnt chit chatting I was defending my brothers.Also the wife doesnt know no1 called Uzma.100%.
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2006-05-20 11:13:43
Riz:
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Slm
I like to start by saying that i knew the two brothers very well and this is a tragedy which will have far reaching effects. I can personally assure you all that the brothers were very kind and were more family oriented then street gang members as some have implied in this forum. People should not comment on a topic without knowing all sides. The brother's were murdered in a brutal (barbarious) manner this much we know which was unknown of within inter-Muslim community up to a few years or so again. We need to look at this from a community wide prospective rather then "Tooting" & "Wimbledon". Firstly, like what Sister Saima said is absolutely true regarding the fact that none of the people from Wimbledon were actually there and also i will never understand why Moh Ali decided to go leaving his younger no choice but to follow him. After thinking about and speaking to people about this, i can only come to the conclusion that he was under the false impression that he will be able to resolve the matter amicably. As we all know no one will walk into a death trap without solid preparation and reason. Moh Ali was a husband (leaves behind a young wife), father (lost both sons), son (orphaned), a good job, etc. A person in his position in life has to much to lose to do what he did unlike some youths that were involved. I pray to Allah that his family remains strong and has patience to get through this horrific ordeal which i will not wish on my worst enemies. Please try to understand how these boys were murdered without any remorse and dignity. Finally, i like to add that killing some one is not hard if the killer has no respect or value for life. Life is a precious entity which needs to be respected and everything has a consequence (jail, family stress and other repercussions). I hope i have inputted to this forum in a positive manner and my objective in doing so is purely for Moh's sake. We should all pray to ALLAH to forgive their sins and accept them as martyrs and most importantly MAY THIS BE A LESSON TO THIS GENERATION OF MUSLIMS AND WE SHOULD ALL LEARN FRO THIS GREAT LOSS. SLM
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2006-05-21 14:44:18
Umaimah:
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Brothers and Sisters, lets not turn this forum in to a ground for more hurt, inshallah lets all say du'aa and pray that they are in a better place. Allahu Alim, unless those who took part come forward, we won't know the truth. Lets just pray and remember our brothers who have sadly passed.
Ma Salaama
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2006-05-22 00:49:25
Jahangir:
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Salam,
I respect that they were family men and it is a tradgedy. However I refuse to let emotion and empathy for them overpower some basic truths. Now regardless of how good family men they were. On that night they were in a van, that was full of men armed with knives and baseball bats. (BBC news). On that night someone from the van did smash a car window with a brick (South London Press). These are common facts that the western media have told us. In order to allow the family to grieve and get over what happened we can agree that its a tradgedy but if we say that they were completely innocent by standers in all of this-than Brother Riz, what you are actually asking for is that we ignore the basic facts such as "Tooting" and "Wimbledon" community issue. I think your heart is in the right place but no law court in the country will accept your submission as presentable as it is (a) one side (b) requesting the audience to ignore the common facts (c) asking for the two brothers to be given a hero station as martyrs. I am sorry you have NOT provided the voice of reason, or been objective, you have just pulled the strings of the hearts of people to gain sympathy for a gang related killing. The longer Muslims ignore the underlying issues, the longer we will be persuaded to live in ignorance pretending everything is OK.
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2006-05-22 13:05:10
unknown:
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why is everyone arguing about these two boys....there gone so you shouldnt be talking like this....may allah guide everyone
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2006-05-22 16:25:35
Riz:
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All i have to say is that what ever the brothers did, they did not deserve to die. Like i said in my earlier posting " i will never understand what Moh was doing there in the first place". I'm not trying to justify anything. All i'm saying is that this was a tragic death and may ALLAH grant them Martyrdom purely due to the fact that they had no intention in murdering anyone. The truth will come out one day inshalah either in court or some where else.I was not there so am not able to come to a conclusive chain of events. ALLAH knows best. I personally from a unbias perspective believe Moh is a martyr because he was of good nature and would never contemplate killing anyone (this is from someone who knew well). SLM
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2006-05-22 21:03:42
yea yea:
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showkat i completley agree with u.. im sorry but all u mans goin on like u knw everything how boutspeakin to the people that wer ther tht night and then tryna justify wht hapend?! my allah grant the two brothers janat inshallah but sory to say i blame this all on Wimbledon bois and yes there were baseball bats and knifes and so on in the van! they were all fightin eachother mohammed and hayder wernt all completley innocent u get me..
simple as if u dnt knw dnt talk
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2006-05-24 20:53:48
Sister:
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Asalaamualaikum
All i've got to say is all the brothers inside are all innocent. Wimbledon boys came 2 tooting to be big men. Instead ran away like loosers, which caused death of the two brothers. Where were u muslim wimbledon brothers then? Before everyone speaks please listen to both side stories before making your comments. These brothers no who they are that set this all up,inshallah it will all come bak 2 them if not in this life in the next. Remember no lies are hidden and all these brothers inside will come out inshallah because everyone knows whose innocent and know who the real criminals are. Brother Showkat is speaking the truth and Sister Saima its about time you realise whose right and wrong. Dont you think its about time that we grow up, and stop arguing and fighting, as the fight already happened and now we need to resolve it. If you readers dont agree with what im saying then thats a issue you have with yourself, as all im saying is the truth. Those wimbledon boys aint all innocent. May allah help all those inside, and send the two brothers to paradise. Asalaamualaikum
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2006-05-24 23:41:48
Salafi:
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Two brothers were buried on tuesday and we pray to Allah to grant them Janat-ul-Firdaus. I have read several comments about the tragedy which struck us all. I can assure you that claiming, washing and finally burying the body of two young sons is the worst thing a father can come across. It was not a natural death but a brutal murder of muslims by other fellow muslims. I think people who waste time by writing derogatory comments should reflect and think what if they are to face such a horrific trauma, what would their feelings be? How would they react?
It is an obligation for us to come forward and help as one strong community so criminals can be brought to justice. Remember this disease has been breeding at our doorstep, if we are not to wipe it clean as a community; it is likely that we can get stung by it. This is the time to look into our hearts and reflect on the tragedy and unveil the oppressors. This is a test for us all, remember according to Quran (if anyone kills a person it is as if it has killed the mankind). Having personally known the brothers I could say they were caring, helpful, compassionate and respected kids who would go out of their way to help others which they proved by meeting their end in this way. And for the killers “You have earned Humiliation in this world and Fire in hereafter. What a disgrace you are to your communities and families.”
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2006-05-25 01:32:18
Sister ??:
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AA
i completley agree with sister: .. wimbledon bois on street show all talk, but on a level when it comes to your beef.. you cant handle it.. all the people that are inside inshallllah they will all be out on the 2nd of August! bcoz wimbledon club bois are idiots and them and their friends deserve to do time or wht ever the real brothers are goin through!
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2006-05-25 19:32:28
salafi:
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Sister:: I cant believe that you are still going on about Wimbledon Boys VS Tooting Boys. What kind of place you disgrace. How can you still be talking about "beef". Can we stop and think that we are all muslims. Let me remind you according to Islam a muslim is a brother of another muslim. I thought we cleared out differences by uniting 1400 years ago under the banner of Islam. Its people like you who fuel the situation by dividing brothers into groups and then getting them to fight each other. 2 brothers are killed how many more lives would you want to take before you take sigh of relief. Please correct me if i am wrong if you are so sure that it was a setup and none of the tooting boys were involved; then if you are a muslim and have a mustard seeds worth of emaan then why dont you come forward with some names and help catch the criminals.
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2006-05-26 00:14:13
salafi:
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showkat: it seems as if u support what happened, still cant believe how can a man like u have so much hatred for a fellow muslim. U have made an un-ethical comment by bringing Israelis(Wimbledon) and Palastinians(Tooting)into it. Firstly in this situation both groups were muslims, secondly Palistinians are fighting for a cause not for street recognition. Rather than calming the situation you r trying to ignite it by causing Fitnah. You mentioned that "It was the law of Streets" that the 2 brothers caught in the middle. So am i correct in saying that there should be retaliation and more lives should be taken so a balance can be maintained? Do you think a life means life and whoever was involved in stabbing should be wasted? Please forward me your thoughts as you seem to be quite cold and heartless towards the whole incident. Let me remind you a verse from the Quran.. Causing Fitnah is worse than Killing.
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2006-05-26 00:43:58
Showkat:
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To the sisters and Co.
It is important for us to remember that the two brothers did die and this is not something we as Muslims should be seen as condoing. Yes, the chances that they were involved deeper than what the media is representing maybe true. Yes they were there that night with arms maybe true. Yes they were there in another gangs territory maybe true. Yes they desreved to die? No, that is not true. All the older lot in Tooting know that the younger lot got excited by the heat of the moment. After all they have an impressive legend to follow. It is also important for the people of Tooting not to be seen condoing this as the media will than find more ways to throw the book at the brothers inside. The Wimbledon club boys went beyond their limits and Inshallah they will know too stay withing their parameters. But the two brothers wern't really any of the heavier mans. They were just standard pawns. The real perpetrators ran away. Also we must remeber that their wives, friends and family maybe reading this and we should not show ourselves to be celebrating and rejoicing their deaths. rather we should acknowledge the loss but understand the conditions in how the loss occured.
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2006-05-26 14:21:58
truth:
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AA
Brothers and sisters in Islam should not worry about what happen, whose to blame. Those who murdered the two brothers will pay inshallah in this life and in the here after justice is not for us in this world. Remember this life is a test take what happen a an example better yourselves pray and ask for dua we wont get a second chance. If anyone want to write these article to make them feel better that up to them (showkat) but don't try and get any sympathy off your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. What the murderers done was wrong. They will pay as allah taala knows everything. You should not use Israel and palatine as your metaphor as our brothers are suffering in back there and not by choice. The Wimbledon and tooting boys are not fighting for Islam their fight began because of a girl many years ago. Lets face it boys who fights with a weapon are cowards especially when fighting another who has no weapons.
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2006-05-26 15:51:22
truth:
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Brothers and sisters in Islam should not worry about what happen, whose to blame. Those who murdered the two brothers will pay inshallah in this life and in the here after justice is not for us in this world. Remember this life is a test take what happen a an example better yourselves pray and ask for dua we wont get a second chance. If anyone want to write these article to make them feel better that up to them (showkat) but don't try and get any sympathy off your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. What the murderers done was wrong. They will pay as Allah Taala knows everything. You should not use Israel and palatine as your metaphor as our brothers are suffering in back there and not by choice. The Wimbledon and tooting boys are not fighting for Islam their fight began because of a girl many years ago. Lets face it boys who fights with a weapon are cowards especially when fighting another who has no weapons.
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2006-05-26 16:21:18
Fatz:
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IT IS SAD THAT THE BROTHERS DIED IN THAT MANNER. MY DEEPEST SYMPATHYS TO EVERYONE THAT KNEW THEM. IT IS SAD TO SEE OUR BROTHERS ARE KILLING EACH OTHER.
I BELIEVE THIS INCIDENT AND ALL THE OTHER INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURED SHOULD BE AN EYE OPENER TO EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY IN THE MOSQUES, TO GUIDE THE LOST ONES AND EDUCATE THEM IN STREET CRIMES AND GANGS. THIS FUED, WHAT IS IT TEACHING THE COMING GENERATION? FOR MOST OF US, OUR PARENTS CAME HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE. INSTEAD, SOME OF US GET INVOLVED IN CRIMES THAT ARE HEARTBREAKING TO THE SAME PARENTS THAT HOPED BETTER FOR US. NO MAN SHOULD TAKE ANOTHER MANS LIFE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE. PEOPLE WHO KILL SHOULD REMEMBER THAT. ALLAH CREATED US AND TO ALLAH WE SHALL RETURN AND TO ALLAH WE SHALL ANSWER FOR OUR CRIMES. WE SHALL ANSWER TO ALLAH ALONE, NOT WITH GANG MEMBERS ALONGSIDE. BROTHERS AND SISTERS PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP KILLING ONE ANOTHER. ALLAH KNOWS BEST AND ALLAH IS MOST JUST AND NO PUNISHMENT CAN BE GREATER THAN THE ONE ALLAH GIVES.
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2006-05-30 20:59:20
Amna:
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Assalamu Alaikum
The article that was written is incorrect. There was no feud whatsoever between the brothers and the tooting gang. They were just there trying to help a mates brother who was getting bullied and harassed by these gang members. Sister and Showkat are speaking rubbish. There was no problem between wimbledon and tooting. Besides, no one in the van was from wimbledon. had there been people from wimbledon then the casualties would have come from the other side. The guilty have been charged with murder and there are still 5 guys who are on the run. They are the main guys that actually did the stabbings. Most of the boys already charged were involved and took part but didnt do the stabbing but are to blame almost as much as the others. Inshallah they will all go down for life and it will be a lesson to all the other boys roaming the streets in tooting thinking they are gangsters.
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2006-05-31 01:09:52
S:
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AA Brothers and sisters, this is a very tradgic thing that has happend. The only thing we should be discussing is how we can stop this from happening again.It is for none of us to judge who was to blame or who was there or why it happend. We should all be making dua for the brothers and thier family's.
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2006-05-31 06:45:08
cobra:
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AA Brothers and Sister,
I am a youth worker in my local area and for many years i have seen muslims fight and kill each other. There are only two main causes to this the first is a woman and the second is money (usually drug related). Regardless what ever happened was wrong and no one should be chatting breeze bout what happend or even trying to understand what happend cuz no one will know the truth only Allah knows what happend, so u shudnt go by assumptions.just imagine what his parents or his wife is going through put urself in there shoes for a second! think bout what his wife has to tell her kids when they are older, think bout these things before u open your mouth. Bottom line what ever happend was wrong and i hope the boys get lifed off cuz we dont need ppl on the streets hu have intentions of killing other muslims. May Allah bring peace to the families of those killed and may the two brothers rest in peace ameen AA
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2006-06-04 12:59:35
Qasim:
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Why are my comments never posted. I find this ridiculous. So much for freedom and speech and other rubbish mpac believes in.
I have sent many messages and e-mails to mpac but they never respond.
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2006-06-05 16:35:51
ali:
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Reading up on this story is truly horrific, but not surprising. May god grant the two lads peace and heaven. Now for the brutal truth !!!Some of these low life pathetic individuals who run around in teams and gangs deserve absolutely everything they get and more. I come from glasgow, and here also we have a few teams of so called ``gangsters``, one of the more well known individuals who killed a young white lad, i mean burnt the guy with petrol , and before that stabbed him repeatedly, those lads are now awaiting sentence / trial, there looking at minimum 20 years plus each, an accomplice of theirs was jailed for 17 years. My take on this is if folk want to be tough, then go on and do it, but leave innocent folk out of this crap, because i know from experience that some day you wannabes will regret the position you have decided to take, the folk you have decided to run with, all snakes that will burn in the deepest parts of hell god willing. There is no excuse, you get caught up with knives, bats, have a rep to defend, then you will get caught up in this mess sooner or later. Now this is what i call a hard man with guts,,,, Someone who has a job, can pay his mortgages / rent, look after his wife and kids, has respect within his peers for the right reasons, this is a man, not those little wannabes roaming around in caps and tracksuits with black music pumping out of their bmw`s ,,how pathetic.
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2006-06-08 06:32:01
Brother_In_Islam_UK:
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Asalaamu alaykum wr wb! I hope your in the very best of Iman and health. Dua’s go out to our Muslim Brothers and their families, Allah grant them Jannah. I just wanted to say that I agree with what "SirB" has said. Most Pakistani parents have got their priorities wrong and then they complain when there children rebel, never like to take the blame but shift it onto others and say “we live in England what can we do” LOL …how about giving them the correct Islamic education and environment to grow up in and learn, Deen first not Dunya. Allah guide us all to the straight path and keep us steadfast upon it, on a daily basis. After hardship does come ease, Allah doesn’t test the believers to a level they cannot handle, after all remember the life of the Prophet (saw) the most beloved of Allah, none was tested more then them (Really advise you to read upon the Seerah (life) of the Prophet (saw)). Don’t expect Jannah to come for free, where only travellers here as this life is merely a doorway, a test in preparation for the true eternal life in Jannah, InshaAllah. Anyways do take care of your Iman (on a daily basis) and Dua may yahd also please! Asalaamu alaykum wr wb
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2006-07-01 11:21:19
Master:
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Gang is Gang. we should be ready to die and ready to face anything. We boys know what we are doing. we go on our way. this is how i teach ma boyz and ma gang.
Im the master, but we dont do anything to friends. we only fight the gang man. im a one man gang and its really sad to hear that they got killed. rest in peace both of you. even if im not from ur endz..my love will be there for you. *Master
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2006-10-03 16:41:28
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